I couldn’t help it, the full moon got me last night! I bent an old Ping eye 9 iron, clone to 70 degrees, added 6 degrees to make like Ping Chipp R. Cut to 34 inches and Put a Jumbomax ultralight on it. Got it to a C6, but to match Ping E6 is a bit away! But so much room in the cavity for lead, lol
From a physics standpoint, the mallet method should work AND carry less risk of breaking the club. A simple analogy may help in understanding. If you were removing a heavily overtightened or rusted lug nut on a car and you used a lug wrench with perhaps a leverage extension, you increase your chances of snapping the stud. Constant heavy pressure produces heat as the metal stretches, This softens the the metal resulting in a break. What's the solution? An impact driver. The impact driver produces a quick but very forceful hit to the nut in both a rotational and linear direction. This "whack" produces a mini stretch with little heat. The mallet technique applied to a golf club should work just fine. The trick is you need to apply a heavy smack (much harder than the one you applied) and there cannot be any "give" anywhere along the clamping structure (your table was way to flimsy and absorbed most of impact). Of course, just as with the bending machine, you will need to learn what is a one, two, or three degree whack! Note: There is an old trick for flattening the lie angle. take a towel, fold it a few times and place it on a cement surface. Take the club and hold it in front of you like an axe with the toe up. Then deliver a very forceful blow on the towel right at the point were the hosel makes a right turn into the head (i.e. elbow). Sounds scary but it works!
Would love to see a video on the minimal viable bending tool for irons/wedges. An iPhone + mini sledge might be a little too basic. A $700 tool might be a little too much. Is a manual clamp my best option? Not doing anything crazy. Just want to make sure, say, my PW is 46* and not 45* or 47* and make small adjustments without damage.
Golf works has a vise mount for irons around $200. Then you would need a bar for around $80. Golfworks also sells a more basic loft lie machine that runs around $350 I think. That is me has the measuring arms so you don’t need a protractor or phone app.
If you use a Dead blow hammer it leaves no marks. Also if you clamp the hosel and hit the sole that works too. Im going to look for that angle app on my iPhone. Good luck.
I love this video and it’s very knowledgeable. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻By the way, Am I the only one who is noticing the machete on top of the whiteboard? I wonder how that come in used in turns of club fitting🤔
How much does something like this cost if you paid a pro shop to do it? I bought a set of clubs with just one degree flat lies. I was shocked that I cannot hit them! I didn't think that would make that much difference, but it does.
So in order to know what the lie is do you need to know what the original lie angle is? IE from 64* original lie to go to 62* making the club -2 flat for the lie angle using your phone. Not worried about the loft. Thanks
You can measure the lie angle with a protractor or using your smartphone to see where you are although the accuracy will vary depending on your technique.
Thanks for this! I have a bullseye La femme with a slight deflection in the shaft. I’m OCD so… it doesn’t affect the club terribly but it drives me nuts. I’ll probably ruin the shaft if I try to straighten it at home. 🤣 do they do that at a shop or could you do it possibly? I’m trying to refurbish it to as new as possible. It was my grandmas putter.
If it’s a kink, hard to fix. You can bend shafts a little but must be careful about kinking yourself. Other option is find another bullseye with same shaft and swap it in.
The best was to do this is heavy rubber dead blow and grab at the bottom third of the shaft and put consistent pressure in the direction you want it to move wile hitting it and to clamp it use thick piece of plate steel on the face and cut a piece of wood to the rear profile of the club and set it up so the Jaws of the vice really close to the hosel but still on the face
That's a hard question. It's difficult to find wedges with that much curve on the leading edge. Some of the designs like the Callaway PM or Taylormade Hi Toe are closer to it, but have more offset and grooves across the entire face.
This caught my attention but I knew from the start there was NO WAY I was going to try this on my new JPX921 Forged irons. Might make me buy a lie/loft machine though.
I had a Cleveland Classic putter head that was very resistant to bending. I was seeking to add about 3* of loft and it was just not budging. 1 minute with a blow torch definitely helped and it bent with moderate force after that.
The only thing to be mindful of is that heating the metal can alter the tempering. Potentially either making them brittle or soft depending on how high you heat them and how fast you cool them. Measuring the loft and lie on a hot piece of metal is also difficult, and you don't want to keep heating and cooling the metal because it you will put a lot of internal stresses into the steel that will then need to be annealed otherwise it will be very brittle and snap.
I flipped the jaws on the vise pulled the shaft and used a jack handle to adjust mine then for lie just used a marker and matched the contact marks to my other clubs
@@EFGMC locking pliers would actually be best. Because you can lock form into place to not damage the club. A monkey wrench would add the leverage and can also lock in protective form too.
Ping has been bending every non black dot iron head at the factory for over 50 years using a mallet. They use it in their pro tour vans as well, you can UA-cam it. This is done on some of the hardest cast steel in golf. So yeah…you don’t need that $5k lie machine.
Nothing beats a good "what not to do" video!
The checking the clubs loft and lie with you phone is absolutely genius. Definitely stealing that from you!
I couldn’t help it, the full moon got me last night! I bent an old Ping eye 9 iron, clone to 70 degrees, added 6 degrees to make like Ping Chipp R. Cut to 34 inches and Put a Jumbomax ultralight on it. Got it to a C6, but to match Ping E6 is a bit away! But so much room in the cavity for lead, lol
From a physics standpoint, the mallet method should work AND carry less risk of breaking the club. A simple analogy may help in understanding. If you were removing a heavily overtightened or rusted lug nut on a car and you used a lug wrench with perhaps a leverage extension, you increase your chances of snapping the stud. Constant heavy pressure produces heat as the metal stretches, This softens the the metal resulting in a break. What's the solution? An impact driver. The impact driver produces a quick but very forceful hit to the nut in both a rotational and linear direction. This "whack" produces a mini stretch with little heat. The mallet technique applied to a golf club should work just fine. The trick is you need to apply a heavy smack (much harder than the one you applied) and there cannot be any "give" anywhere along the clamping structure (your table was way to flimsy and absorbed most of impact). Of course, just as with the bending machine, you will need to learn what is a one, two, or three degree whack! Note: There is an old trick for flattening the lie angle. take a towel, fold it a few times and place it on a cement surface. Take the club and hold it in front of you like an axe with the toe up. Then deliver a very forceful blow on the towel right at the point were the hosel makes a right turn into the head (i.e. elbow). Sounds scary but it works!
Hilarious! The bad thing is I have thought about doing it but too chicken to try. Now it is confirmed as a bad idea! Thanks AJ.
Yeah, this is one of those things that really requires the right tools to start with.
Would love to see a video on the minimal viable bending tool for irons/wedges. An iPhone + mini sledge might be a little too basic. A $700 tool might be a little too much. Is a manual clamp my best option? Not doing anything crazy. Just want to make sure, say, my PW is 46* and not 45* or 47* and make small adjustments without damage.
Golf works has a vise mount for irons around $200. Then you would need a bar for around $80. Golfworks also sells a more basic loft lie machine that runs around $350 I think. That is me has the measuring arms so you don’t need a protractor or phone app.
Great vid AJ .!!
If you use a Dead blow hammer it leaves no marks. Also if you clamp the hosel and hit the sole that works too. Im going to look for that angle app on my iPhone. Good luck.
Thanks for sharing this AJ. It's always good what does and does not work before attempting to use a method that may destroy a golf club.
I had high hopes for the mallet b/c I have used it when bending putter necks that are improperly aligned with great success. Did not translate!
I love this video and it’s very knowledgeable. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻By the way, Am I the only one who is noticing the machete on top of the whiteboard? I wonder how that come in used in turns of club fitting🤔
How much does something like this cost if you paid a pro shop to do it? I bought a set of clubs with just one degree flat lies. I was shocked that I cannot hit them! I didn't think that would make that much difference, but it does.
Usually $5-$10 per club depending where you go.
So in order to know what the lie is do you need to know what the original lie angle is? IE from 64* original lie to go to 62* making the club -2 flat for the lie angle using your phone. Not worried about the loft. Thanks
You can measure the lie angle with a protractor or using your smartphone to see where you are although the accuracy will vary depending on your technique.
Thank you. I enjoy your videos they are very informative.
Thanks for this! I have a bullseye La femme with a slight deflection in the shaft. I’m OCD so… it doesn’t affect the club terribly but it drives me nuts. I’ll probably ruin the shaft if I try to straighten it at home. 🤣 do they do that at a shop or could you do it possibly? I’m trying to refurbish it to as new as possible. It was my grandmas putter.
If it’s a kink, hard to fix. You can bend shafts a little but must be careful about kinking yourself.
Other option is find another bullseye with same shaft and swap it in.
Ping uses a rubber mallet to adjust the lie at their factory...
I went to a national Ping fitting centre in the UK with a friend who was having a fitting and they use a mallet to adjust the club, unbelievable.
If you watch any vids of the ping tour vans, this is how they bend them there too!
I want to bend my 8 iron into a chipper what degree would you bend it to?
The best was to do this is heavy rubber dead blow and grab at the bottom third of the shaft and put consistent pressure in the direction you want it to move wile hitting it and to clamp it use thick piece of plate steel on the face and cut a piece of wood to the rear profile of the club and set it up so the Jaws of the vice really close to the hosel but still on the face
Really need to make a head clamp out of wood is what you are saying?
Who sells the iron head clamp you refer to at the end please?
Golfworks
Slightly off topic.
What modern forged clubs have the same shape as that Hogan ?
That's a hard question. It's difficult to find wedges with that much curve on the leading edge. Some of the designs like the Callaway PM or Taylormade Hi Toe are closer to it, but have more offset and grooves across the entire face.
So can we send you clubs to bend? My local shop is usually 2/3 weeks out
Yes, email me.
adam@elitefitgolf.com
Taylormade RSi irons are not forged so can they be adjusted as the toe is to high up for my five foot four height?
You should be able to get a couple degrees out of them.
@@EFGMC Thanks 👍
This caught my attention but I knew from the start there was NO WAY I was going to try this on my new JPX921 Forged irons. Might make me buy a lie/loft machine though.
This is a don't try this at home kind of video!
Thanks for the video. Where are you located?
Thanks for watching. Georgia.
They did this when i got fitted at drummond golf i was shocked
Why are swing weights lower in irons with graphite shaft, than steel shaft?
Swing weight drops 1pt for every 9g shaft weight drop. So an average graphite shaft weighing 30g less drops the SW about 3pts.
@@EFGMC But shall you have same swing weight in graphite and steel shaft.
bending a full set would be a hell of a workout haha
Good video AJ
Thanks Will!
Can heat be applied to enable the hosel to bend easier?🤔
I have heard of people doing it. Have never really tried, or done a comparison between hot and cold.
I had a Cleveland Classic putter head that was very resistant to bending. I was seeking to add about 3* of loft and it was just not budging. 1 minute with a blow torch definitely helped and it bent with moderate force after that.
@@KleyDeJong Great!!! thanks👍
The only thing to be mindful of is that heating the metal can alter the tempering. Potentially either making them brittle or soft depending on how high you heat them and how fast you cool them. Measuring the loft and lie on a hot piece of metal is also difficult, and you don't want to keep heating and cooling the metal because it you will put a lot of internal stresses into the steel that will then need to be annealed otherwise it will be very brittle and snap.
I flipped the jaws on the vise pulled the shaft and used a jack handle to adjust mine then for lie just used a marker and matched the contact marks to my other clubs
Have you tried making a home made bending bar with a pliers? That might be a thing.
Maybe some big locking pliers or adjustable wrench??
@@EFGMC locking pliers would actually be best. Because you can lock form into place to not damage the club. A monkey wrench would add the leverage and can also lock in protective form too.
@@mikewilliams1479
Maybe a big closed end wrench that you could slip over the grip....just spit balling.
@@mikewilliams1479
His vise also seemed to be on the light duty side.
Vise is to small and the bench bounces to much. A wooden mallet and a solid beach will work
What about bending putters..?
I have used this or a similar method to bend putter stems. It does work.
@@EFGMC Okay, thank you for getting back to me.
Pro tip…hit the actual club head with the Mallet…same as ping has done for 50 years.
Ping has been bending every non black dot iron head at the factory for over 50 years using a mallet. They use it in their pro tour vans as well, you can UA-cam it. This is done on some of the hardest cast steel in golf.
So yeah…you don’t need that $5k lie machine.
How dare you ruin a Ben Hogan 56!
Ping has been using a rubber mallet in their factory forever , so its nothing new
This is perfect for my cheap ass mind.
Not what I was looking for. I would like to change the loft at home. The LIE is simple.
ok im buying an expensive loft lie mc ...seriously i am
Great tool to have if you can.