LCS Owner Lays The Smack Down On Marvel Comics

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  • @timhaight4291
    @timhaight4291 Рік тому +12

    The marvel books are as good as they've ever been... Theyve been predicting marvels demise for years... Everybody was supposed to be tired of superhero movies... But the greatest one just came out, with spider verse.

    • @timhaight4291
      @timhaight4291 Рік тому +1

      What's the difference if marvel doubles the cover price, or cuts the dealer discount? The result is the same.

    • @timhaight4291
      @timhaight4291 Рік тому

      Every time the price goes up, everybody bitches and says they won't buy it, then they do anyway.

    • @timhaight4291
      @timhaight4291 Рік тому

      And the real reason back issues are going up, is. Because the market IS strong, not the reverse.

    • @supersnappahead
      @supersnappahead Рік тому +11

      The Pin of Shame.

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому +10

      ​@@timhaight4291my lcs has hundreds of unsold "new" books on the shelves. I wonder where the buyers are?

  • @Sly_404
    @Sly_404 Рік тому +41

    That's the logical conclusion, when you create a product for a nonexistent audience, while despising the existing one.

  • @keithoneil9894
    @keithoneil9894 Рік тому +44

    I've said this before. Marvel had the greatest advertising tool for the past decade: the movies. How Iron Man, arguably the most popular fictional character of the past decade, couldn't even sell beyond 10K copies, is insane.

    • @andrewbyrne2173
      @andrewbyrne2173 Рік тому +1

      They did. Sadly the people running the comic end are idiots.

    • @aqdrobert
      @aqdrobert Рік тому +3

      Tony Stark: I blame Loki for my comic selling less than 10K copies. Please smash puny god, Hulk.

  • @sebastianstark8517
    @sebastianstark8517 Рік тому +24

    Man... the Marvel I grew up with and loved is a distant memory now. I can't even say I like the brand anymore, and I never thought I'd say that.

    • @andrewbyrne2173
      @andrewbyrne2173 Рік тому +6

      I stopped reading marvel years ago. Lack of enjoyment, over saturation of events, poor writing and rising prices, made cutting marvel sadly an easy decision.
      So I commiserate with you on the loss of marvel.

    • @MrBracey100
      @MrBracey100 Рік тому +3

      Been reading Marvel for over 40 years. At this point I just wish it would die so I don't have to keep hearing about something I do deeply loved, continue to be ruined.

  • @afcansf5996
    @afcansf5996 Рік тому +23

    As some one who focused mainly on back issues since 2015, Im "selfishly" not to happy with more and more people diving into back issues; cause it has dramaticly driven up prices & "competition".

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому +2

      Eh not really. At least in my experience. Some books have gone up, but A LOT have definitely dropped in price since the highs of 2021 & 2022

  • @brew1234567891
    @brew1234567891 Рік тому +8

    I don’t know how they fix it. They can’t totally reboot, and they can’t pick a restart point without confusing readers and writers.

  • @willpower8061
    @willpower8061 Рік тому +8

    I guess were supposed to go
    "oh look, shiny" and buy 10 copies.
    Yeeeea....no.

  • @MrPonytron
    @MrPonytron Рік тому +5

    Stan Lee actually wasn't involved in the death of Gwen Stacy. He was on vacation when Gerry Conway wrote that story and Stan was understandably furious when he returned from his vacation when he found out what Conway did.
    But, yeah, I completely understand why that comic shop owner decided to not get new Marvel in. And there's no surprise that people are buying back issues up to 50 years old, considering the stuff now is just terrible for the most part. I'd rather buy Spider-Man and X-Men from 20-60 years ago and not what's being made now

  • @PubeStache
    @PubeStache Рік тому +6

    Back issues are definitely more in demand than modern comics. But even those have taken a hit since 2020/2021. Since now you have people that overpaid for them and can't accept that fact. I've gotten books for hundreds of dollars less than what they were selling for just 15 months ago!
    I think you need the new books for the initial foot traffic in the doors. If there's a shop that only has back issues, I'd probably only stop in once a month or less. Just my opinion. For reference the back issue only shop in my city lasted only five months before closing.

  • @salmack8842
    @salmack8842 Рік тому +2

    This is proof why there are so many independent comic book companies like Boom and AWA and Scout comics rising in popularity. Excellent artwork and actually stories!

  • @therogueprince3790
    @therogueprince3790 Рік тому +7

    I feel bad for my lcs because all I buy from him is occasional Star Trek and Dune comics, neither of which I really enjoy but trying to find anything half decent to get.

  • @Harrison11106
    @Harrison11106 Рік тому +5

    I know I'm beating a nearly dead horse at this point. But most of what this comics shop owner says is basically what I, as a customer, am doing when it comes to western comics now. Although in my case it's mainly digital comics. Thing is, I'm hearing that the ESG & DEI crap are starting to make their way to the land of the rising sun, so manga's dominance of the our market (the west/U.S. of A), may be coming to an end.

  • @mohammadbashammakh
    @mohammadbashammakh Рік тому +5

    The sweet irony of that thumbnail considering how the rock’s DC movie turned out ( I actually enjoyed black Adam , but I hated the aftermath)

  • @maximumdistractions
    @maximumdistractions Рік тому +5

    It's not true no one cared about ASM 26, it cost Marvel another comic book reader. He decided that getting back issues of Daredevil was a better option than keeping up with the non-story happening in ASM.

  • @wheeljack0
    @wheeljack0 Рік тому +7

    It is mad the proof is in front of the faces of these companies. The amount of support there has been on the net the last couple of days for the return of Transformers / G.I. Joe series from a quality company like Skybound. I was at a convention the weekend and i told a Transformer fan that the comic was coming back. He told me how unreadable the last series was with its forced politics. Marvel & DC could be doing very well now but have put activists in top positions who are destroying their companies. Trouble is there is now new blood coming into western comics & in a generations time it will have an impact.

    • @JurassicRod
      @JurassicRod Рік тому +1

      I'm a Transformers fan and I agree, IDW became unreadable like most modern western comics. It became a gay romcom

  • @Barot8
    @Barot8 Рік тому

    Very concise and I totally agree with you. Thank you Wes!

  • @kalkella8822
    @kalkella8822 Рік тому +5

    Not that it's worth much, but I do think Marvel fixed the foil variant issue. I was in my LCS this morning, and the owner said they lowered the price, so his are actually being sold for cover price. I would assume that's the case everywhere.

  • @cogekacc
    @cogekacc Рік тому +4

    would it be possible to reprint old comics as a second printing or so on?

    • @cogekacc
      @cogekacc Рік тому +3

      @fishin4bass2002 seems like half the buyers don't even open the book. They just want to slab it or display it. Omnibus are over $100

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому +4

      They do this already. They've reprinted that Hulk 181 I think three times. That's what the foil cover is Wes is talking about. It's a facsimile.

  • @benconforzi5696
    @benconforzi5696 Рік тому +3

    For a minute there I thought you said Christopher can't write well. Image having that for a last name. How ironic (and almost appropriate) last name that would be.

    • @ensabahnur7657
      @ensabahnur7657 Рік тому +3

      He did & has been calling him that for YEARS! Welcome To Thinking Critical!💯😂👊😎

  • @UelCarter
    @UelCarter Рік тому +3

    it was pretty upsetting to see the invoice for the foil Ult.Invasion it was like 14% off cover. maybe less. comic stores adapt and i'm offering a chance to win the incentive variant for an increased foil price. and PRH showing that these have normal discount rates is really messed up.

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому +2

      Those $7.99 and up books are just too expensive. It sucks that Marvel keeps expecting you to try and sell them.

  • @rockytheblackdragon
    @rockytheblackdragon Рік тому +3

    Lamberti definitely lays the smacketh down on modern MARVEL'S candy ass

  • @UncannySpider-guy616
    @UncannySpider-guy616 Рік тому +8

    if you only sell marvel your def in trouble

  • @arcanask
    @arcanask Рік тому

    My comic guy at the swap meet has been telling me his supplier of cheap back issues got cleaned out completely by a couple of guys that bought their whole supply. Even he's having issues replenishing his boxes. He also can't keep any Spider-Man books in stock at all, and he sells those for the cover price or higher.

  • @Julius.Council3
    @Julius.Council3 Рік тому +2

    I read two issues of avengers beyond before I checked out.
    Comics ain't the same anymore. The closest thing to peak my interests now is Eric July's Rippaverse.

  • @madbug1965
    @madbug1965 Рік тому +6

    Marvel is bringing back classic creators for a new What If series...

  • @christopherbouier1089
    @christopherbouier1089 Рік тому +2

    Youre right as usual, Wes. But in all your recent videos that I've watched including this one you don't comment on the North/Coello Fantastic Four. Maybe I just missed it? But I'm pretty sure that it was in one of your vids last year that I even found out about it...!
    I hate the current continuity as well and I had almost completely checked out of comics back in the 2000's coming back only sporadically. But as lifelong FF fan I have to admit to liking his direction and how respectfully he's handling the characters and their ethos and history. Honestly, it's a great book so far and the only current Marvel book I'm even thinking about reading.
    So I would respectfully LOVE to hear your thoughts on it one of these days (either before or after you trash Hickman's newly planned continuity reboots bc I have little hope for Ultimates and even less hope for G.O.D.S.)
    JS...
    And for the record:
    Thanks for all the insight over the years!
    Make mine Thinking Critical!
    Excelsior
    And salaam.

  • @ensabahnur7657
    @ensabahnur7657 Рік тому +3

    I'll be 53 in September & been convinced many times over the last few years the glory days The House Of Pure Stupidity & Dumbass Cowards will NEVER return! The pure greatness from the 70-early 2000s were TRULY special even the Animated Shows though far from perfect brought ma n y more into o y r happy space all was well especially the live action movies then the 1st & perhaps greatest RED FLAG was the 1st X-Men 🎥 & it's been downhill ever since!

  • @namelesswhocares8648
    @namelesswhocares8648 Рік тому +3

    Imagine,
    We live in a world where the average late 70s early 80s spider-man comic with art by jim mooney or ross andru is more interesting than the current shitrag.

  • @kellymays5138
    @kellymays5138 Рік тому +5

    The Rock reference, nice!

  • @johnevans4867
    @johnevans4867 Рік тому +2

    Thanks!

    • @Wes_From_TC
      @Wes_From_TC  Рік тому

      Thank you for supporting the channel!

  • @anthonycollado2447
    @anthonycollado2447 Рік тому

    Got the Spider-Man Fake Red manga today. Shrug, can't be worse than what Wells is doing in ASM.

  • @patrickmoreau7592
    @patrickmoreau7592 Рік тому

    Great video Wes.

  • @andrewbyrne2173
    @andrewbyrne2173 Рік тому +4

    Why should you be afraid to die, marvel? Your soul has been dead long long time.

  • @kodiak138
    @kodiak138 Рік тому +3

    DC has recently had a few series that have been pretty good and a couple of brand new ones that I am interested in. After saying that though the last few years have been a disaster for them, as bad as Marvel I don't know because I'm almost exclusively a DC guy but I can tell you I have been reading back issue storylines for the majority, some I am re-reading and others I am reading for the first time. Right now I am reading Geoff Johns Booster Gold run from 2007 which ties into 52 countdown and final crisis I believe. Before that I read the new 52 All-Star western series which was phenomenal that I stupidly passed on back in the day. Even the so-so series back then look and read great compared to the majority of crap that they have put out the last few years.

  • @virtualrealityfitness283
    @virtualrealityfitness283 Рік тому +1

    1940 to 2005 are the best years for comics!And Hulk 180 is the first appearance of Wolverine 😁

  • @blacksand6368
    @blacksand6368 Рік тому +3

    People from the future are coming back to our current time to buy old comics. Turns out old good comics are worth a fortune in the only future time line that works. Cool movie plot huh.

  • @zedcastillo5758
    @zedcastillo5758 Рік тому

    Do you have videos about David Gabriel?

  • @BizarroIrishman
    @BizarroIrishman Рік тому +3

    Great vid

  • @raiderbear1
    @raiderbear1 Рік тому

    Awesome work mate

  • @jasonirizarry9619
    @jasonirizarry9619 Рік тому +7

    This is hilarious. Kill the American comic industry everyday of the week, with character that generated billions in movies and merch...

  • @VaughnEsper
    @VaughnEsper Рік тому

    There was a bit of hope this week in Marvel comics. Surprisingly, I enjoyed a few titles. Jed Mackay's Avengers #2 was pretty good, as was Phillip Kennedy Johnson's first issue of the Hulk. The best Marvel title of all this week though was definitely Ultimate Invasion #1. I had missed Hickmans writing, and he's back on form.

  • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
    @InfamyOrDeath-__- Рік тому +1

    How did they keep what happened to Cates so quiet? It was all so hush hush.

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому

      Have you seen the way he looks recently?

    • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
      @InfamyOrDeath-__- Рік тому

      @@PubeStache No, does he look bad? What actually happened to him?

  • @NWOslave
    @NWOslave Рік тому +1

    So what did the lcs owner say

  • @janjoubert3225
    @janjoubert3225 Рік тому

    Back issues seem like such a risky propositions, there is always the chance that stock is gonna dry up. And if marvel/dc ever put their back catalog similar to many Manga apps with a subscription service, that could be detrimental.

  • @TerryB01
    @TerryB01 Рік тому +1

    Marvel is giving LCS the Pulp Fiction treatment

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Рік тому +2

    daredevil from the mainstream marvel universe has been fantastic in my opinion.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz Рік тому +1

      Which run?Zdarsky second run becomes inferior in those latest issues.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Рік тому

      @@EvandroACruz chip zdarksey current run has been fantastic in my opinion.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz Рік тому +2

      @@TevyaSmolka The Fist saga is very inferior to the previous run until Devil's Reign event.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Рік тому +1

      @@EvandroACruz fair enough

  • @Mr.Bibleman
    @Mr.Bibleman Рік тому

    Hey Wes! Do you plan on reading Knight Terrors from DC?

    • @Wes_From_TC
      @Wes_From_TC  Рік тому

      Not really. Maybe the GL stuff from Adams.

  • @MerrimanDevonshire
    @MerrimanDevonshire Рік тому

    Wes, do you honestly that a traditional Bookstore/Department distributor wants to even deal with folks that barely use a cash register?

  • @HasturYellowSign
    @HasturYellowSign Рік тому

    Why don’t they make writers take an in depth test based on Eisner’s books? Maybe it might improve the quality of hired writers

  • @ench2112
    @ench2112 Рік тому

    The new Phillip Kennedy Johnson Incredible Hulk book is freaking awesome so maybe he can turn that book around.

  • @dennisbalch2217
    @dennisbalch2217 Рік тому

    Ive collected comics since 1972. September 2023 is the first time that im not buying any marvel books. Sad.

  • @johnnycage112
    @johnnycage112 Рік тому +11

    Its not sad or angering to see Marvel or DC do this anymore. Its jsut expected that they'll mess everything up. It would be a good video defailing a timeline of when their decent into this garbage age happened.
    I think it started in 2004 with Identity Crisis and how they used Superboy-Prime as a fan mouthpiece bot liking their grimdark direction and using him to attack fans.

  • @arnoldtettero8470
    @arnoldtettero8470 Рік тому

    The only people I feel sad for who are in the comic book business are the comic shop owners.
    Since if it was any other sort of business, and your supply sells you stuff that is unsellable because of decisions they did to lower quility control or health reasons you can send it back and get your money back. You can't do that when you are selling comics or entertainment.
    The only thing you can do is offer stuff that may attract costumers. It why comic shops went and started selling Manga and other stuff. Why anime and likely other movies from Japan and oversea markets that do well are gonna dominate the cinema over big Hollywood productions like the marvels or Indiana Jones 5.

  • @brandonscott5544
    @brandonscott5544 Рік тому

    GREAT THINKING CRITICAL MARVEL COMICS LAYERING UNFORTUNATELY

  • @TheGridGames
    @TheGridGames Рік тому

    No variant cover exclusives produced by stores have a different cover price but all are sold for $15-$30 depending. Marvel is just selling their version. The comic collecting industry has grown very used to this and should have absolutely no problem paying more for these foil variant covers. This topic has become quite stupid because its been going on for years.

  • @kellyphillips2239
    @kellyphillips2239 Рік тому

    People can say what they want about Aaron's Avengers run i think that book had really great artwork

  • @saladinho1st
    @saladinho1st Рік тому

    I don't even know what writers I'd even pick for Marvel comics anymore. Even decent ones are too invested in this "modern audience" mindset, so there's only so much they'd do. I remember when Donny Cates got the Hulk job, I suggested somewhere that they should have put him and Ryan Ottley on Captain Marvel, but before he lost his mind, Cates was too SJW.
    I literally can't think of a writer for Spider-Man, or any of these titles that I'd be excited for. You'd have to get rid of Cebulski and the rest of the editorial staff first.

  • @kup98ss49
    @kup98ss49 Рік тому +1

    I quit buying new comics because there were to many crossovers and spinnoffs. I buy old lots of comics from the 80s and 90s now.

  • @RonneyandRascalCollectibles

    Great content as always. We need more people like you in the industry. Sent you an email. Hope you read them. Lol

  • @traviscreason1911
    @traviscreason1911 Рік тому

    Make mine marvel…errr… Miracleman: The Silver Age!

  • @brandonscott5544
    @brandonscott5544 Рік тому

    GREAT THINKING CRITICAL MARVEL COMICS AND DC COMICS FALLING OFF THE EDGE LOL SAME WAY

  • @danrend4986
    @danrend4986 Рік тому

    IT's been a couple of years now since i have been mentioning in various channelss that yes, it's obvious Marvel would want to have comic shops out of business. if things had gone their way by now the would be publishing AI stuff and getting rid of comic book shops, retailers, distribuitors, artists, writers and whomever they could fire along the way. but they have missed a very important point. comics are art. and comic build communities. Manga is strong and is black and white. that says a lot. people dig the drawings, the drawings. books use to say the drawing sells the comic, the writer makes the reader want to come back for more. Comic book shops should invest in current indy projects what the throw away at none sellable Marvel and DC trash. and isntead of talking about their BS, try doing what the guys at KFB do, create a new audience for all comics. you already said it old comics sell, again i don't think the fact most all old comics have great art, even more compared to modern ones, is something to be disregarded. just look at old covers and tell me they didn't make you want to read the story. modern covers might have a lot of craft but they are not sellers, they rarely tell a story.

  • @aqdrobert
    @aqdrobert Рік тому

    Peter Parker and Miles Morales recite poetry, otherwise known as Spider Verse.

  • @unclegrizzly2078
    @unclegrizzly2078 Рік тому

    Not defending marvel But im excited for the return of the ultimate univers returning. To comics with johnathan hick man writing it also
    spoilers: the maker grabs the spider that bites peter before it bites him so no spiderman

  • @AL-ws5yi
    @AL-ws5yi Рік тому

    That’s sad.

  • @spencesanders7879
    @spencesanders7879 Рік тому

    Late 80's and mid-90's is when I gave up and stopped reading comics. Why? That is when superHEROES died and the plots/stories became blek.

  • @Kak37
    @Kak37 Рік тому

    i see the vintage transformers comics

  • @rodneymarsden3003
    @rodneymarsden3003 Рік тому

    I have been picking up Dynamite comics of late. I like their take on the Green Hornet and the Lone Ranger. Then I saw a utube intro to superheroes someone at Dynamite has created and believe me those characters are a real turn off. Marvel's Daredevil has been a hit and a miss. Some issues very good and others awful.

  • @markthompson9754
    @markthompson9754 Рік тому

    The best Marvel Comics being produced right now are John Byrne's X-men bootlegs.

  • @jarvisgardner9983
    @jarvisgardner9983 Рік тому +1

    We know about the worst writers but who are best writers

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Рік тому +2

    I know ms marvel death was a bad idea from the very beginning and felt like a waste of time in my opinion.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz Рік тому

      Just to turn her in a mutant become MCU.This made modern comics irrelevant.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Рік тому +1

      @@EvandroACruz yup that's right but also because the inhuman stuff was a failure.

    • @EvandroACruz
      @EvandroACruz Рік тому

      @@TevyaSmolka But changes your origin just because MCU is a stupid excuse.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Рік тому

      @@EvandroACruz yup

  • @Marveryn
    @Marveryn Рік тому

    I say the most hated issue ever made it still one more day

  • @ChrisP58
    @ChrisP58 Рік тому

    Sooo basically they need Mark Millar to come in and write EVERYTHING…Never mind. They can’t afford him and it would be beneath him to return to this current inception of Marvel. lol

  • @CoreyAdolfi
    @CoreyAdolfi Рік тому +2

    I mean there’s more than just Moon Knight and Ghost Rider coming out of Marvel:
    Venom
    Daredevil
    Doctor Strange
    Fantastic Four
    X-Men: Red
    Avengers
    Plus they’ve got JMS jumping onto Captain America and Hickman restarting the Ultimate universe as well as his new G.O.D.S project. Not to mention new Hulk and Thor books.

    • @PubeStache
      @PubeStache Рік тому +5

      Daredevil is about to be rebooted with an awful writer. Fantastic Four & Thor & Hulk & Avengers & Doctor Strange have all been recently rebooted. I'm so tired of it. But hey, I'm saving a lot of money now.

  • @RollingDodge
    @RollingDodge Рік тому

    David Gabriel is in charge of digital publishing!? No wonder Marvel's sucks so much at digitall.

  • @savagedarksider2147
    @savagedarksider2147 Рік тому +2

    I have A another question: have any of you know or heard of the UA-camr:ShoertyRaRa ?

    • @ensabahnur7657
      @ensabahnur7657 Рік тому +2

      Nope!

    • @savagedarksider2147
      @savagedarksider2147 Рік тому +3

      @@ensabahnur7657 Good. You see, me and him got into an argument. I said his content was boring and he got angry with me. I even said JohnsonDayPool is better than him.

  • @EvandroACruz
    @EvandroACruz Рік тому

    Somebody needs erase all Jason Aaron run in the future. Is bad and dumb in every sense. Wes you need make a video about Tony Stark and Emma Frost marriage in the next September after the third Hell Fire Gala event. Duggan turned the Iron Man book into a spin off of the X-Men titles.It's so lame.

  • @kurumais
    @kurumais Рік тому

    how come im the only one reading the cap books? the cap book was decent and the falc book was good.

  • @White_Tiger2169
    @White_Tiger2169 Рік тому

    Well, they were right that people would hate it. No because Ms Marvel died, but it was a stupid story. Bad dialogue. This guy don’t even know how to write teenagers.

  • @MrBracey100
    @MrBracey100 Рік тому +2

    Let Marvel and DC burn.