Jeff Jones examines how the trainees and trainers are adjusting to life at Lackland Air Force Base, one year removed from the widespread sex scandal that took place there.
@1:30 Judging from that last image of the airplane with the sexualized picture of women's legs in the cloud...with two Nazi symbols on top of it. Looks like they have a lot more cleaning up to do.
I knew when I was going through BMT at JSA Lackland (aka Lackland AFB) "Happy Valley USA 🇺🇸" back 41 years ago that there were airmen who "hooked up" while in Basic Training. This was common knowledge and never spoken of. If someone wanted to risk going to the brig and having the UCMJ thrown at them that was their lookout. But this scandal was another thing entirely! Definitely not the service I entered back then.
I remember when I was in the 3708th A-Flt, that two trainees were caught in a dumpster commiting PDA+. Turned out both had 341's pulled and sent back to the barracks. That's all.
@1:30, shows it was always tgat kond of envoronment. Seruously, they have a lot more cleaning up to do. Sexualized women's legs in the clouds with two Nazi symbols above. I understand its probably old, but it senda a bad message.
What happen with the Luis Walker sex rampage was an extraordinary anomaly. And strangely apart from that, Walker had a long history of honorable service to the United States during the cold war.
Actually it was/is the EXACT same AF that you were in many yrs ago. Any environment with a power/powerless dynamic-- as in any branch of the military--inevitably breeds scandal and assault.
I hope that MTIs no longer harass flights by calling them “garbage flights” over and over and cheat by entering other flights’ dorms to sabotage them for honor flights. We found out because the dorm guard was in shock and told us when we returned. The MTIs that did that had no honor. They did it in 1983 when my male flight was harassed by female MTIs because our male MTI was on leave during the holidays and we were looked after by a female A1C. When our male MTI returned he never knew what happened and just figured that his flight was just a bunch of screwballs according to the A1C who is now a friend of mine on FB. It will all come out when my book is published.
On Parris Island, it seemed that the entire 1st week was dedicated to just punishment and cussing everybody out. I was convinced that some of us would eventually be beaten to death. There was no doubt in my mind.
The Walker incident certainly illuminated one thing. The USAF's "mighty" security clearance must not be worth much. Because if it was Walker snookered them for a whole stack of um'!
I completed Air Force Basic Training back in February 1984. I remember that I was very jealous that some people got awarded two stripes (Airman First Class) after Basic Training. I was a brand new airman and they were brand new airman--they got two stripes and I had none! It would take almost two years of ACTIVE Duty Service before I made Airman First Class.
They probably had a few things you didn't...3 years Air Force Jr ROTC, CAP Billy Mitchell Award, 2 or more years of college. I enlisted in the Coast Guard as an E-4 Petty Officer 3rd class. But I had everything except the Billy Mitchell Award, and then some. It was called the Direct Petty Officer program, which is more difficult than OCS. We could smoke too ...😝
I graduated in June 1984. If I remember correctly if you signed up for six years, versus four when you graduated from Basic Training you were awarded A1C.
The guys that got 2 stripes were 6 year enlistees. And you're right. Outside of a battlefield promotion, it usually took about 2 years to get the 2nd stripe otherwise.
Utter BS. 😂 Nothing has changed. If you'd asked the graduates of the classes that were assaulted or who graduated before the sexual assaults they'd have said the EXACT same things. "There are a lot of avenues for reporting. We feel safe. Etc." Hasn't changed one bit.
LOL! The chair force military? Next you'll be saying that the space force is a real branch And that the coast guard is part of the navy. Stay in your lane and let the grunt do the work.POG's.
And yet here you are, not only lapping up videos about the AF but getting yourself all worked up, triggered, and so threatened by a video that you felt you needed to compensate. Look inward. A wise man knows that love and hate are closely related. Indifference, not hate, is the opposite of love. Hopefully someday you will grow up, develop some self awareness and wisdom, be less fragile, and feel more secure about yourself. Thoughts and prayers. The combat experience of my two Marine brothers gave them front row seats to what the USAF can do. They became lifelong fans of the awe inspiring air support provided by B-52's in particular, and the AF in general.
I wonder how the Air Force Pararescuemen would feel about you talking this way about their branch, while you're laying in the dirt after getting your legs blown off Not to mention CCTs and PJs all have higher attrition rates in their training pipelines than MARSOC, Force Recon, and in some cases Navy Seals just to name a few.
The Lackland incident was light years past just harassing people. The incredible part was that the guy that did all that could have somehow expected to get away with it.
Just graduated BMT; I have the answer. When we get our orders we get our stripes and all of that stuff based on how long we had been in the USAF, including BMT. Upon completion of BMT, depending on what rank our orders say we will get, we officially become AB, Amn, or A1Cs. We were required to have the stripes on during graduation, regardless of what uniform we wear.
More power to them! With the way things are when you don't make a lot of money to begin with I wish them all well. I'm glad some of them make a decent amount at the start of their military career.
@@T-Man-kk7ro This must have changed a lot from my time. I've been retired 21 years and as I remember it, those airmen with Amn or A1C got those stripes based on education (some college), extended enlistment (6 years) and in some cases criticality to career fields. Mostly though it was an extended enlistment of 6 years.
@@greg1093 That's what I keep hearing around...however I signed for 6 years and I'm an Airman Basic. Everyone I ask just says that if I signed for 6 years I should be A1C but legal came back and said I didn't have enough college credits to promote from E-1. So I need to go and talk to them about my contract...
I think the WAPS System went wrong. They dropped E-4 Sgt and went directly from SrA to Ssgt. We tested for staff, I missed it the first time by 1/6th thousandth of a point. Got it at 5.5 year's and line numbered in 2 month's after. It was better to be a SrA and go a year later to bucksgt just to learn to supervise better.
Exactly! Just looking at the image at 1:30, tells you sexualizing women is an age old part of the culture. Whats worse, is the two Nazi symbols above it. I sends a bad mesaage
Yes, I see quite a few airman with the rank of E2 & E3. When I graduated from BMT 42 years ago you would receive the rank of E2 or E3 based on the amount of college education you have completed and I believe prior service from another military branch. Not many graduates in my my flight graduated as E2's or E3's, maybe 10 or 15 tops out of 50. In this video I saw only a few E1's. Maybe a new requirement was implemented to achieve E2 or E3 upon completion of BMT.
@@SaturnV69 I joined the AF on Nov. 1977. A year later (1978) there was a program the AF put in place that if you go to BMT with 64 college credits, you can graduate as an E3. I had over 90 college credits and they denied me (after I got my first assignment in Germany) because I came in before the program started. I retired after 20 years.
@@meljenkins1016 Thanks for that info, it was a long time ago but yes, I see quite a few airman graduating with more rank, I hope they wear it well. ( Increase in rank means increase in responsibilities).
If it was like it was when I joined (a long time ago) if you signed up for six years you could graduate basic as an A1C. It could also be an enticement for a particular job they signed up for.
I was going to say the same thing. @1:30, sexualizing womens bodies woth two Nazi symbols doesnt actually scream a culturr change. Im sure its an old plane, but it doesnt help.
The bottom line is they had a problem and they fixed it.
@1:30 Judging from that last image of the airplane with the sexualized picture of women's legs in the cloud...with two Nazi symbols on top of it. Looks like they have a lot more cleaning up to do.
I knew when I was going through BMT at JSA Lackland (aka Lackland AFB) "Happy Valley USA 🇺🇸" back 41 years ago that there were airmen who "hooked up" while in Basic Training. This was common knowledge and never spoken of. If someone wanted to risk going to the brig and having the UCMJ thrown at them that was their lookout. But this scandal was another thing entirely! Definitely not the service I entered back then.
I remember when I was in the 3708th A-Flt, that two trainees were caught in a dumpster commiting PDA+. Turned out both had 341's pulled and sent back to the barracks. That's all.
3708 hoorah @@hmmm1868
Wow. This is the first time hearing about any kind of sex abuse scandal at Lackland. Clearly not the same Air Force I was in many years ago.
The Air Force did a remarkable job of covering this thing up and limiting who would be identified and punished.
@1:30, shows it was always tgat kond of envoronment. Seruously, they have a lot more cleaning up to do. Sexualized women's legs in the clouds with two Nazi symbols above. I understand its probably old, but it senda a bad message.
What happen with the Luis Walker sex rampage was an extraordinary anomaly. And strangely apart from that, Walker had a long history of honorable service to the United States during the cold war.
Actually it was/is the EXACT same AF that you were in many yrs ago. Any environment with a power/powerless dynamic-- as in any branch of the military--inevitably breeds scandal and assault.
I went to basic 40 Year's ago today.
46 for me. I stayed in for 22+ years and retired as E8. I loved every assignment.
@@DrPhillGoode Awesome, Thank You! I was in SAC for 8 year's. I would have stayed in but My ex outranked everyone.
@@hmmm1868 lol
Graduated from Lackland 52 yrs. ago.
I hope that MTIs no longer harass flights by calling them “garbage flights” over and over and cheat by entering other flights’ dorms to sabotage them for honor flights. We found out because the dorm guard was in shock and told us when we returned. The MTIs that did that had no honor. They did it in 1983 when my male flight was harassed by female MTIs because our male MTI was on leave during the holidays and we were looked after by a female A1C. When our male MTI returned he never knew what happened and just figured that his flight was just a bunch of screwballs according to the A1C who is now a friend of mine on FB.
It will all come out when my book is published.
On Parris Island, it seemed that the entire 1st week was dedicated to just punishment and cussing everybody out. I was convinced that some of us would eventually be beaten to death. There was no doubt in my mind.
BMT in Jan-Feb ‘83 ..BMTS 3723 FLT 035…OH THOSE MEMORIES
The Walker incident certainly illuminated one thing. The USAF's "mighty" security clearance must not be worth much. Because if it was Walker snookered them for a whole stack of um'!
I completed Air Force Basic Training back in February 1984. I remember that I was very jealous that some people got awarded two stripes (Airman First Class) after Basic Training. I was a brand new airman and they were brand new airman--they got two stripes and I had none! It would take almost two years of ACTIVE Duty Service before I made Airman First Class.
They probably had a few things you didn't...3 years Air Force Jr ROTC, CAP Billy Mitchell Award, 2 or more years of college. I enlisted in the Coast Guard as an E-4 Petty Officer 3rd class. But I had everything except the Billy Mitchell Award, and then some. It was called the Direct Petty Officer program, which is more difficult than OCS. We could smoke too ...😝
I graduated in June 1984. If I remember correctly if you signed up for six years, versus four when you graduated from Basic Training you were awarded A1C.
The guys that got 2 stripes were 6 year enlistees. And you're right. Outside of a battlefield promotion, it usually took about 2 years to get the 2nd stripe otherwise.
A lot of two stripers in this video. We didn’t see many of those in BMTS when I was there.
Didn't see any when I was there, Feb 69.
Education. College credits or ROTC.
Utter BS. 😂 Nothing has changed. If you'd asked the graduates of the classes that were assaulted or who graduated before the sexual assaults they'd have said the EXACT same things. "There are a lot of avenues for reporting. We feel safe. Etc." Hasn't changed one bit.
Bullcrap
LOL! The chair force military? Next you'll be saying that the space force is a real branch And that the coast guard is part of the navy. Stay in your lane and let the grunt do the work.POG's.
And yet here you are, not only lapping up videos about the AF but getting yourself all worked up, triggered, and so threatened by a video that you felt you needed to compensate. Look inward. A wise man knows that love and hate are closely related. Indifference, not hate, is the opposite of love. Hopefully someday you will grow up, develop some self awareness and wisdom, be less fragile, and feel more secure about yourself. Thoughts and prayers.
The combat experience of my two Marine brothers gave them front row seats to what the USAF can do. They became lifelong fans of the awe inspiring air support provided by B-52's in particular, and the AF in general.
I wonder how the Air Force Pararescuemen would feel about you talking this way about their branch, while you're laying in the dirt after getting your legs blown off
Not to mention CCTs and PJs all have higher attrition rates in their training pipelines than MARSOC, Force Recon, and in some cases Navy Seals just to name a few.
It's been said that the dumbest question ever asked on Parris Island was "Sir, is it too late to switch to the Chair Force"?
I had a male MTI and and no time did I experience anything resembling sexual harassment.
The Lackland incident was light years past just harassing people. The incredible part was that the guy that did all that could have somehow expected to get away with it.
Good for you. Lots of other trainees do and did.
What’s with all the A1c’s in basic training?
Just graduated BMT; I have the answer.
When we get our orders we get our stripes and all of that stuff based on how long we had been in the USAF, including BMT. Upon completion of BMT, depending on what rank our orders say we will get, we officially become AB, Amn, or A1Cs. We were required to have the stripes on during graduation, regardless of what uniform we wear.
More power to them! With the way things are when you don't make a lot of money to begin with I wish them all well.
I'm glad some of them make a decent amount at the start of their military career.
@@T-Man-kk7ro This must have changed a lot from my time. I've been retired 21 years and as I remember it, those airmen with Amn or A1C got those stripes based on education (some college), extended enlistment (6 years) and in some cases criticality to career fields. Mostly though it was an extended enlistment of 6 years.
@@greg1093 That's what I keep hearing around...however I signed for 6 years and I'm an Airman Basic. Everyone I ask just says that if I signed for 6 years I should be A1C but legal came back and said I didn't have enough college credits to promote from E-1. So I need to go and talk to them about my contract...
I think the WAPS System went wrong. They dropped E-4 Sgt and went directly from SrA to Ssgt. We tested for staff, I missed it the first time by 1/6th thousandth of a point. Got it at 5.5 year's and line numbered in 2 month's after. It was better to be a SrA and go a year later to bucksgt just to learn to supervise better.
what does a fresh graduating class of Airman have to do with an age old matter long before the new airman knew it existed?
Exactly! Just looking at the image at 1:30, tells you sexualizing women is an age old part of the culture. Whats worse, is the two Nazi symbols above it. I sends a bad mesaage
How did these trainees get out of basic as E3's ?
Yes, I see quite a few airman with the rank of E2 & E3. When I graduated from BMT 42 years ago you would receive the rank of E2 or E3 based on the amount of college education you have completed and I believe prior service from another military branch. Not many graduates in my my flight graduated as E2's or E3's, maybe 10 or 15 tops out of 50. In this video I saw only a few E1's. Maybe a new requirement was implemented to achieve E2 or E3 upon completion of BMT.
@@SaturnV69 I joined the AF on Nov. 1977. A year later (1978) there was a program the AF put in place that if you go to BMT with 64 college credits, you can graduate as an E3. I had over 90 college credits and they denied me (after I got my first assignment in Germany) because I came in before the program started. I retired after 20 years.
@@meljenkins1016 Thanks for that info, it was a long time ago but yes, I see quite a few airman graduating with more rank, I hope they wear it well. ( Increase in rank means increase in responsibilities).
Thanks for serving in the U.S. Air Force. I served for 8 years and continued my aviation career at a major airline.
If it was like it was when I joined (a long time ago) if you signed up for six years you could graduate basic as an A1C. It could also be an enticement for a particular job they signed up for.
now there is some ugly, maybe to scare enemy LOL
As long as we tolerate that picture on the airplane ,the problem will never be solved!
Relax hero
WTF are you on about?
Get real. If you cannot tolerate history, you will probably repeat it. It must be very frustrating to be so insecure.
I was going to say the same thing. @1:30, sexualizing womens bodies woth two Nazi symbols doesnt actually scream a culturr change. Im sure its an old plane, but it doesnt help.
@@winstonsmiths2449 - @ 1:30. Sexualizes womens legs in the clouds with 2 Nazi symbols above it.