GlitchyG thats the way it was up to 1973. It was called waf-womens air force. And it was better that way but womens libbers had to have their way and now you got women afghan vets with ptsd.. Future or current mothers.
The same thing still going to happen...there are female who like females...some are drill instructors...this is a team effort thing...when I went through in 07 we were told to act as a team...there were stories of TI getting beat up for even attempted to harass your fellow sister or brother flight...we didn't play that...if we felt like we were being harassed we refused the command of the TI...luckly my flight had an awesome TI and we didn't have to strike but one time.
JCSMOOTH345 wish i had served with you, i served from 1973-1993. At holloman afb,nm 1978 a female security police sgt, lynda gonzalez saved my life, 3 illegal aliens i had detained were conspiring in spanish to jump me, kill me, take my m-16 and vehicle and head north. She leveled a shot gun on them and told them in spanish to shut up or shed blow their heads off.(she had appeared out of the shadows).😉
@@iand3402 The problem with females instructors is every Male instructor is up her ass and they'll all surround you like a hungry pack of wolves if you trigger her lmao
@Nate Cisneros In Navy Boot camp we had both male & female company commanders assigned to a company. I don't think I can remember an all female company with just a male CC? This was 1988.
Im fortunate to have had great MTI's. In fact, I must say that basic training changed my life in such a positive way within and outside of the AF today! Assault in any branch is unacceptable; I just wish every airmen could have the same type of experience I had...a proud 323 trainee. 323TRS!
This isnt a male/female issue. If women can meet the physical demands let them do the job. Besides, if TSG Dickfuck doesn't have the discipline not to sleep with trainees do you think he will have the discipline to properly lead or handle weapon systems? Because I doubt it.
@@nicholasbreecher9315 Says the civilian. You'r right. It's not a male female issue. It's a combat effectiveness issue. The Navy did a test with some of their recruits. They took 100 males and 100 females, and had them all attempt to start a damage control pump. 98 of the men could, 100 of the women couldn't. So far, last I heard, no women have been able to pass the requirements of mos 0311 in the Marine Corps. So how do you get the women into these fields, where upper body strength is critical? You lower the standards. Women Marines have their own standards, and they are lower than the male standards. That does NOT improve combat effectiveness.
@@nicholasbreecher9315 that is the way politicians who have never served see it sitting in an office in D.C. but anyone who thinks genders have nothing to do with the problem IS the problem....the idealism of SJW is why right now there is more sexual issues within units than ever before.....even a 62 yr old retired 4 star General turned CIA director Patreius could not deny sexuality between genders.....the physical and biological differences aside using a weapon with a 4 lb trigger squeeze does not make you effective in soldiering and when a female in combat is placed into a physical situation with the enemy due to her lack of physical strength and durability she only has one option and that is to kill even if it does not meet the ROE....and it is a capture, kill mission and not a kill, capture...,
I'm still AD been in 17 years. This should have never happened and I have no mercy for those who were involved. Air Force is still a good branch that's treats you right overall though.
Ankevious, Oliver, That's your social justice warriors for you. An, E6, can't even get females under her, to follow simple instructions. That's my definition of a clusterfuck. It meets all the criteria.
Ankevious, We never heard anything about how much, of her rank was taken away. E2,s, giving orders, to E6, E7s. Bullshit. Women get away with so much shit, it's pathetic. That's why you have Blackwater! Fucking liberal's.
My daughter went through two years ago. When she left home I told that if anything bothered her to talk to the MTI. Second time talk to the CO. Third time call me and I am coming down. I have 33 years in now. There has been, is and will always be sex in the military. Everything has its time and place. Basic training is a mentally and physically challenging time in all the branches. It is also a time when victims could be sought out by perps. This cannot be tolerated period. Anyone involved in this can lose the grace of Uncle Sam and become his guest in Kansas. That's all for today.
@@Blue-gj9cqI went through basic training in 2006. Back then it was 6 1/2 weeks. I fortunately stayed at Lackland for another three and a half months. Less than a year later I was in Kirkuk, Iraq. 20 years old wondering why I couldn’t go to Afghanistan. Came back in 2008 and redeployed a year and a half later to Iraq. As for sitting on a couch, there are careers in the AF that many men and women don’t want to do. Those career fields that Airmen and NCO’s are on their feet for 14+ hours a day with over 45 pounds of gear (not including a ruck sack) and a rifle+pistol. Fly in on a C-130 at 0230hrs, lights turn out, all four engines shut down, and fall out of the sky to avoid mortars and rockets. As for a “cake walk”, I don’t like cake and I don’t believe we weren’t challenged. Yes, basic training for the Marines and Army is tougher. But, at the end of the day, military service doesn’t stop at boot camp. Being in the real AF is vastly different from drill, knowledge tests, and physical fitness.
Everyone talking about separating genders but I actually feel it’s important especially for some males to be trained by a female to learn respect and get rid of the macho mentality some recruits come in with..
Dudes are never going to fully respect a woman like they will a man. It’s just the way it is and it doesn’t matter whether she’s your drill instructor or not
Saying that men and women should train separately supports the idea that men can't be trusted enough to control themselves... it's better imo to hold everyone to the same standard (men or women) that those in authority don't mistreat anyone under them.
I went through Lackland in 1997, my MTIs were male. I think we may have had one female. We NEVER had comment cards, lol. But we had no reason, our MTIs were amazing! Hoorah
alot of people in bootcamp were allowed to wear personal glasses until they were issued the ugly ones. it sometimes took weeks to get the issued ones aswell
Happens in all branches...l got PTSD from a sexual trauma during Desert storm 1991...sexual predators have no idea what damage they cause...or they dont really care but, the therapy does work...slowly.....mindfulness therapy works
What. No weekend safety briefings for them. Like lower enlistment. A shame this unit lost the there way. Briefings should go down and up the chain of command.
Basic Training and AIT need to be conducted by same genders. Female Drill Sergeants for females, and Males for males. Transgender needs to be identified by what’s between their legs.
@@SC-dw3jz w What the heck.... What men are putting women in harms way? All who are in the military volunteered to be in it and weren't forced to join. Includes both Women and Men! We both raised our right hand and said we will obey the President of the United States and the orders of the officers who are appointed over us. Whether that officer be Female or Male. Don't matter if a who it is. All personel in the military at the end serve a purpose to get a mission done. Point period. The mission has to get done! Whether you like it or not. Regardless if you are a male or female and puts who in harms way. The main thing is that all of us when we are in harms way will have each others backs, never to leave anyone alone. Buddy System. No Airman left behind. I do agree no Trans should serve. When I was in Basic we saw a trans and it through everything apart
This is bad. This conduct has no place in our armed services. This is exactly why we have SHARP classes. This shouldn't even be an issue. This is absolutely disgusting. At least Col. looks to be sincere in wanting to get to the bottom of it. I hope they do.
I had a female TI back in 04 and during the summer in Texas it gets hotter than hell, that said we had the AC brake down so this woman decided we could all remove our BDU blouses. Now not to sound like an ass but she wasn’t an ugly woman by any stretch and nature had endowed her very well. Once she was down to just her black t-shirt that was all that my flight was paying attention to and to this day I couldn’t tell you what her briefing was about. Point is females should instruct females and males should instruct males, so as to remove as much temptation as possible.
@@limabravo6065 😂. I remember a guy from my training flight, 323 TRS, that called me and told me to look her up after the story blew up. Made sense to me why she did. She looked good in BDU pants and a black undershirt. Her husband at the time was an instructor over at the Security Forces tech school. He went hard on the guys that were in her flight. There were quite a few of us that crossed the street to the 343rd. Did you have her as an MTI?
@@limabravo6065 We got along with him pretty well? When did you join up? I was in tech school starting at the end of February 2006. Left Lackland in Jun 06 and deployed in 07.
13Jun62. Life was different when I started basic. If women want to join the military, I have no problem. Just segregate them to another part of any military training base and have them interact at every level with veteran female enlisted and officers. If needed, put up a barbed wife fence and put armed guards around the gate/s and fence. Yeah, draconian but probably needed.
How about we as men stop messing around with female recruits. This wasn’t the fault of the trainees. This is on the male drill instructor’s that take advantage of the power they have. Keep your dick to yourself until you’re assigned to a squadron. And even then, don’t mess with folks in your chain of command.
TSgt Spaide was in there I trained him as an MTI. Thank god he didn't do anything stupid. I cannot say the same for one of my other students who did shitty things and went to jail for as he should have.
Separate areas all female TIs no male contact. This is what happens when you mix the sexes in some well meaning effort at social engineering the military. USAF 1969
I will say it to the people saying all female this all female that. You shouldn't have to males should conduct themselves correctly. I had females in my army boot camp cycle, they had their own base and didn't make a difference on anything. If males can conduct themselves correctly we wouldn't have any issues.
I have come across a lot of veterans that have said the same thing…if only. Many people dont realize, the AF has a high benchmark for passing the ASVAB. If folks dont, they are pointed in the direction of the Army recruiter. Im sure it is the same thing now for Space Force. They need people that score off the charts.
After reading n looking at these vids i wouldn't spit in a marines face let alone let my daughter or son join a group that treats its members like that what a disgrace to the u.s military
Phillip Wood I just graduated from BMT. My MTI’s informed us of the past sexual misconduct and told us that a lot of changes had occurred. Because if this, a trainee is NEVER alone, not even if speaking to an MTI with the flight literally 5 feet away. I never felt threatened during my time at Lackland. It completely comes down to the MTI and the flights willingness to report any inappropriate behavior.
Often, if recruits reported any kind of abuse, then the TI's got revenge, by throwing an "ARMADILLO", on the whole flight! This was in 1982! I hope things are better now!
A friend of mine who did his AIT at Ft Lee Virginia told me that there was a few Drill Sergeants that were involved in having sex with females in their platoon off base
Oh ok...well dang. Isn't this the main reason they are separated in boot camp? Separate them I guess, but people really should be able to be professional and act civilized in the "work" place.
It’s more complicated than it sounds.. unfortunately they just have to trust that they give campaign hats to the right individuals. They’re not all bad people.
@@GravisTKD That's not what separating means you fucking moron. Separating reduces the chances of the women falling victim to a predator. Don't lump all men into this shit.
Absolute bullshit, I am sure the illegal activity is going and the suspects are guilty but the real problem lies with certain individuals and groups within and outside of the US military complex continually pushing an agenda of integration of the sexes and their roles in combat and training. This is a result of being hellbent on placing women and men as equals in terms of soldiering. Why is it that this wasn’t a huge issue during the past century and all of the major wars fought during it. At least from my perspective it has now become huge issue but that may be as a result of the exposure it has received only now.
They sure didn't care when I was in. Other trainees were being sexually assaulted and then it happened to me and I decided to say something. You know what I was told by the top guy? That if I wanted to pursue this any further, I'd lose my career. I didn't and as I walked out, him and the creep snickered. Needless to say, no other women ever came forward either, we just endured. I felt like I got my victory when I was honored Honor Graduate and got to turn and smile and gloat at the creep on the way to get my award. Best feeling ever!
Its sad cause I am sure there a great MTI's but the bad apples stink up the whole basket as they say , but yeh I hope justice was served and there are no more issues but then again can evil really be fully erased in this world?
Make it simple & straight forward. With all due respect, to prevent sexual misconduct or harassment from happening again, banned female trainees from enlisting. Its that simple.
When I went through basic a cadet told a female "yeah I know you want me but you can't have me" an walked off an the instructor didnt do anything. An tech school my instructor was messing with a female in my class while he was married with a child.
That's why in the military, men and women shouldn't have access to one another so easily. This is fucking disgusting your duty is to protect and uphold our country.... You didn't sign up for fuckin' around and tarnishing the american flag.
When I came through basic it was SSGT Deraas and some others doing shit like this. Man you think they would learn from their mistakes but apparently things never change.
What can the Col. ? Learn from the past generations that knew what the military was and who and how to train why and for what and stop ignoring science.. No co ed lunch, no co ed pt,,,Keep females on one end and males on another end of the training side of the base Comoletley. They should never even See each other until after graduation. If you cant figure this out, you're not fit to command a military training base, which means we have a lot of sub standard training supervision going on. Anyone who's been involved in the military and has actually had a bit of experience should get it. The military should be about winning wars, not PC. This country is so wrapped up in PC red tape it takes 6 days to do 6 hours of anything anymore, and its gotta be done 6 different ways to fit the criteria of 6 different big wigs who support 6 different political views. Clinton and McPeak were shitty for the Air Force, the Bush 2 era actually helped begin fixing it for real for the first time in decades,, I hope it can continue for the sake of the Airmen and the country.
These weren't such a problem when females were trained by females, and the men were trained by men, and kept separate from one another. I didn't get close to a woman until after I graduated.
I went through the 331 TRS IN 2001. And the men trained the men and the women trained the women. With exception to my sister flight. Who had a male TI. With a female training TI in tow. I had nothing wrong to say about it at all. Other then my TI scared the fuck out of me.
I obviously haven't met EVERYONE in the Airforce, but I know a few from the Security Forces and THEY were either Meglomainacts, Perverted or both. It seems that each branch of the service has it own specific faults.
@@aishanicholee that the have even relaxed things since than...no making the dayroom walls sweat or smoke sessions anymore...tgey cannot even yell at you all anymore
This is a reason that having gender segregated training was a good idea. But then the politicians and mothers of America got involved. Males and females should serve separately, not so much for the issues of sexual assault so much as because of distinct differences between the sexes. While in support units this does not matter as much, it matters a lot in combat arms. Women just can't physically do some of the things that men can do (and vice versa, I have yet to meet a male that went through vaginal birth). I believe that females can serve in combat arms, but they need to be in their own units that set SOP/TPP that make sense for females (as opposed to males). This probably involves different load distributions, living standards, etc.
Yeah , I graduated May 2019 and we found out about this while we were in. This was in 2012 though , and they fired all the staff and replaced them all since then
Thank god you guys didnt get gang banged gaped raped or killed to keep quite this is why i became a roofer local 8 baby newyork city i was gonna join the sevice because of the attacks of 911shit i was 18 at the time but what made me change my mind was literally the day after 911 recruiters in nyc were flooding every high school there was so i gave it a try i took the practice exam but the recruiter was acting a bit weird he kept following me home calling my house at odd hours like what the fuck is up with this fucking asshole so i declined the same shit was with this navy recruiter fuckers were desprate so i said fuck that ima join the trades whats better being home working a nice job comming home to my family or going threw hell over some fucking politicians war that dont give a flying fuck about any one especailly the sevicemen and women of the military
They started the "co-ed" TI in the 70s when I went through boot camp. It was wrong to the Nth degree! I could see it effecting the troops. My fellow boot, had physical relations with a Female major at the clinic for the entire time. Nope...there's enough men for the male flights and women TIs for the females.
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Kailah Ware not at all...I’ve been AF for almost 3 years now and I can say that the very large majority of MTIs want to lead and instruct to the best of their abilities. Unfortunately things like this happen in every branch but even back when I went through BMT they had a ton of procedures to make sure things like this don’t happen. I’m honestly not even sure how this could’ve happened since you’re not allowed to be in a room alone with an MTI
How to fix the issue is segregate the females completely away from the males period... These women make complaints simply because they don't want to be treated same as males they want to be treated special... For example lower standards for females in PT even further than they already are... From their male counterparts.... it's the same thing that happened at West point females wanted in simply to get attention but treated equal as the males they quit.... I'm sorry but if a female joins in the male dominated world then they should be EXPECTED TO PERFORM AS A MALE WOULD... AND BE EXPECTED TO BE SENT TO THE FRONT LINES... otherwise they can shut up the crying playing victim card...
Typical AF officer response. You don’t run anything, your chiefs run it. All you do is have a secretary do everything for you. AF basic is a joke anyways, you give all the trainees the power.
Been going on for decades. In the 90's a guys brother i worked with did test result briefings with navy intake females... For a few points the whamen would crawl under the desk for a few minutes. This guy did this for years... Raw Dawg i believe was his side show name.
It takes a special individual to train mixed gender platoons. There is too much of a tendency to "make a statement" during your assignment period instead of DOING YOUR JOB. Even in they gym, I do my part and actually do it better than the training staff. You are an example, not a god. As an instructor, you do everything by example. In my USMC boot camp (1983), there wasn't any of the insults, snapping fingers like a a dog, etc.
The problem was never between trainees. Their lives are run so minute to minute that they don't really have time to misbehave. The problem was MTIs abusing their power. Having males and females together in training is not bad because we're going to fight side by side anyway, might as well get used to it. That said, having male MTIs in charge of female flights, or female MTIs in charge of male flights seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
@@snipinmonstaWhat kind of drugs are you on? Rape is pervasive on deployment. Especially with the mortar bunkers all over the place. Female troops actually got issued rape whistles when I was in Iraq.
bill bell this happened in 2012 and I went through in 2015. We had 3 sarc briefings in the first week talking about this. We weren’t aloud to talk to the MTIs without another recruit right next to us even if we were in the bays.
My buddy was an MP in the army. He said that in his base there was sex scandals all the time. This isn’t anything new. And don’t shame the Air Force just because of their funding or something
Im retired usaf and this is why i have always stated...let the women train in their own all female units with female instructors!
By that logic we would have seperate all Male/ all Female units in the operational military. Its not practical.
GlitchyG thats the way it was up to 1973. It was called waf-womens air force. And it was better that way but womens libbers had to have their way and now you got women afghan vets with ptsd..
Future or current mothers.
The same thing still going to happen...there are female who like females...some are drill instructors...this is a team effort thing...when I went through in 07 we were told to act as a team...there were stories of TI getting beat up for even attempted to harass your fellow sister or brother flight...we didn't play that...if we felt like we were being harassed we refused the command of the TI...luckly my flight had an awesome TI and we didn't have to strike but one time.
JCSMOOTH345 wish i had served with you, i served from 1973-1993. At holloman afb,nm 1978 a female security police sgt, lynda gonzalez saved my life, 3 illegal aliens i had detained were conspiring in spanish to jump me, kill me, take my m-16 and vehicle and head north. She leveled a shot gun on them and told them in spanish to shut up or shed blow their heads off.(she had appeared out of the shadows).😉
We just have to make sure their are both men and woman instructors as well as counselors that talk to the trainees.
In Marine boot camp , male drill instructors don’t train female recruits or vise-versa.
IIRC correctly they're starting to integrate males and females. I think they graduated one integrated division
I mean every single day no...bit vividly remember getting my ass lit up by a few female DI's lol
@@iand3402 The problem with females instructors is every Male instructor is up her ass and they'll all surround you like a hungry pack of wolves if you trigger her lmao
@@johna3357 there was a test with India company but they're not going to follow through with intergraded company
@Nate Cisneros In Navy Boot camp we had both male & female company commanders assigned to a company. I don't think I can remember an all female company with just a male CC? This was 1988.
The Airforce’ holds themselves more accountable than the Catholic Church.
This is disgusting! Serving in the military is supposed to be about comradeship, and being a part of a team.
Adam Lay you misspelled camaraderie.
Yea a gang bang rape team
( yes butt actually no ) those people still manage to get in
When I served the women instructors trained the women not men.
“Was there a better procedure that I could have implemented?” Uhhh, train women with women and men with men? Huh...
Im fortunate to have had great MTI's. In fact, I must say that basic training changed my life in such a positive way within and outside of the AF today! Assault in any branch is unacceptable; I just wish every airmen could have the same type of experience I had...a proud 323 trainee. 323TRS!
I’m former 322BMTS!
MUSTANGS!
I’m just like you. My 4 years experience from Basic to separation I was treated with such respect by every Air Force male I met.
creoleDJ i was Honor Flight W032 February 1994.
Yes!!! Thanks for sharing!
Much love my sisters and brothers in arms!
Segregate the men and women. Like the Marines do.
They are segregated no more
@@richardhuff5276 Well. That should certainly improve combat effectiveness. Not my problem until it reaches our streets.
This isnt a male/female issue. If women can meet the physical demands let them do the job. Besides, if TSG Dickfuck doesn't have the discipline not to sleep with trainees do you think he will have the discipline to properly lead or handle weapon systems?
Because I doubt it.
@@nicholasbreecher9315 Says the civilian. You'r right. It's not a male female issue. It's a combat effectiveness issue. The Navy did a test with some of their recruits. They took 100 males and 100 females, and had them all attempt to start a damage control pump. 98 of the men could, 100 of the women couldn't. So far, last I heard, no women have been able to pass the requirements of mos 0311 in the Marine Corps. So how do you get the women into these fields, where upper body strength is critical? You lower the standards. Women Marines have their own standards, and they are lower than the male standards. That does NOT improve combat effectiveness.
@@nicholasbreecher9315 that is the way politicians who have never served see it sitting in an office in D.C. but anyone who thinks genders have nothing to do with the problem IS the problem....the idealism of SJW is why right now there is more sexual issues within units than ever before.....even a 62 yr old retired 4 star General turned CIA director Patreius could not deny sexuality between genders.....the physical and biological differences aside using a weapon with a 4 lb trigger squeeze does not make you effective in soldiering and when a female in combat is placed into a physical situation with the enemy due to her lack of physical strength and durability she only has one option and that is to kill even if it does not meet the ROE....and it is a capture, kill mission and not a kill, capture...,
I'm still AD been in 17 years. This should have never happened and I have no mercy for those who were involved. Air Force is still a good branch that's treats you right overall though.
Ankevious, Oliver,
What about the TSgt, from nellis? An E, FUCKING 6, can't even get females under her, to follow simple lawful general orders.
Ankevious, Oliver,
That's your social justice warriors for you. An, E6, can't even get females under her, to follow simple instructions. That's my definition of a clusterfuck.
It meets all the criteria.
Ankevious,
We never heard anything about how much, of her rank was taken away. E2,s, giving orders, to E6, E7s. Bullshit.
Women get away with so much shit, it's pathetic. That's why you have
Blackwater! Fucking liberal's.
My daughter went through two years ago. When she left home I told that if anything bothered her to talk to the MTI. Second time talk to the CO. Third time call me and I am coming down. I have 33 years in now. There has been, is and will always be sex in the military. Everything has its time and place. Basic training is a mentally and physically challenging time in all the branches. It is also a time when victims could be sought out by perps. This cannot be tolerated period. Anyone involved in this can lose the grace of Uncle Sam and become his guest in Kansas. That's all for today.
8 week boot camp is a cake walk . I wouldn’t call that a challenge
@@chrisabbott1794 what branch did you serve in?
@@kyzerw3816 you know trash talkers serve in the couch sitting branch
@@Blue-gj9cqI went through basic training in 2006. Back then it was 6 1/2 weeks. I fortunately stayed at Lackland for another three and a half months. Less than a year later I was in Kirkuk, Iraq. 20 years old wondering why I couldn’t go to Afghanistan. Came back in 2008 and redeployed a year and a half later to Iraq. As for sitting on a couch, there are careers in the AF that many men and women don’t want to do. Those career fields that Airmen and NCO’s are on their feet for 14+ hours a day with over 45 pounds of gear (not including a ruck sack) and a rifle+pistol. Fly in on a C-130 at 0230hrs, lights turn out, all four engines shut down, and fall out of the sky to avoid mortars and rockets. As for a “cake walk”, I don’t like cake and I don’t believe we weren’t challenged. Yes, basic training for the Marines and Army is tougher. But, at the end of the day, military service doesn’t stop at boot camp. Being in the real AF is vastly different from drill, knowledge tests, and physical fitness.
This commander was/is needed at Fort Hood. Rip Vanessa Guillen.
Everyone talking about separating genders but I actually feel it’s important especially for some males to be trained by a female to learn respect and get rid of the macho mentality some recruits come in with..
**puppenspieler** great point
Dudes are never going to fully respect a woman like they will a man. It’s just the way it is and it doesn’t matter whether she’s your drill instructor or not
Right make men soft good idea. I got a better one remove females from the military problem solved.
carlton colvin teaching a person to respect people regardless of their sex is not making them soft
I think it makes it worse tbh. Most men won't take a female MTI as seriously as a male one
Saying that men and women should train separately supports the idea that men can't be trusted enough to control themselves... it's better imo to hold everyone to the same standard (men or women) that those in authority don't mistreat anyone under them.
I went through Lackland in 1997, my MTIs were male. I think we may have had one female. We NEVER had comment cards, lol. But we had no reason, our MTIs were amazing! Hoorah
Her glasses are out of Regs ...
She has a waiver
alot of people in bootcamp were allowed to wear personal glasses until they were issued the ugly ones. it sometimes took weeks to get the issued ones aswell
These are the military issued glasses
They allow personal glasses to be worn on grad day.
Who gives a fuck
Finally , it took what 500 years to be done.
Happens in all branches...l got PTSD from a sexual trauma during Desert storm 1991...sexual predators have no idea what damage they cause...or they dont really care but, the therapy does work...slowly.....mindfulness therapy works
Dominus Providebit lol wtf
Dominus Providebit go fuck yourself incel
Dominus Providebit troll alert!
Dominus Providebit shut your third world ass up loser
@Ivan Terrible I definitely believe that.
I'm glad my experience was not like that. I just graduated last week.
Sunny D just wait till you get operational lmao
@@askmewhosjoe6682 not funny
Giovanni Love sure
Congrats
What. No weekend safety briefings for them. Like lower enlistment. A shame this unit lost the there way. Briefings should go down and up the chain of command.
As well, it's not entirely the male TI's sexually abusing female recruits! Often, you have female TI's, abusing female, and male recruits too!
@@veg1run People just don't see that especially the left. They will say," Oh, that's sexist."
It's 🤢. Disgusting 🤮.
Yup goes both ways nowadays! Sad
Basic Training and AIT need to be conducted by same genders. Female Drill Sergeants for females, and Males for males. Transgender needs to be identified by what’s between their legs.
Well said!
@@SC-dw3jz w
What the heck.... What men are putting women in harms way? All who are in the military volunteered to be in it and weren't forced to join. Includes both Women and Men! We both raised our right hand and said we will obey the President of the United States and the orders of the officers who are appointed over us. Whether that officer be Female or Male. Don't matter if a who it is. All personel in the military at the end serve a purpose to get a mission done. Point period. The mission has to get done! Whether you like it or not. Regardless if you are a male or female and puts who in harms way. The main thing is that all of us when we are in harms way will have each others backs, never to leave anyone alone. Buddy System. No Airman left behind. I do agree no Trans should serve. When I was in Basic we saw a trans and it through everything apart
I don’t even think transgenders can be in the military. 🤔 I may be wrong though 🤷🏽♀️ maybe a law was passed or something.
This is bad. This conduct has no place in our armed services. This is exactly why we have SHARP classes. This shouldn't even be an issue. This is absolutely disgusting. At least Col. looks to be sincere in wanting to get to the bottom of it. I hope they do.
I had a female TI back in 04 and during the summer in Texas it gets hotter than hell, that said we had the AC brake down so this woman decided we could all remove our BDU blouses. Now not to sound like an ass but she wasn’t an ugly woman by any stretch and nature had endowed her very well. Once she was down to just her black t-shirt that was all that my flight was paying attention to and to this day I couldn’t tell you what her briefing was about. Point is females should instruct females and males should instruct males, so as to remove as much temptation as possible.
Staff Sergeant Manhart…instructing proper push-up form. She got in a bit of trouble for her activities outside of the AF.
@@publicuser2534 hahaha yes she did, that issue flew off the shelves of every air force base
@@limabravo6065 😂. I remember a guy from my training flight, 323 TRS, that called me and told me to look her up after the story blew up. Made sense to me why she did. She looked good in BDU pants and a black undershirt. Her husband at the time was an instructor over at the Security Forces tech school. He went hard on the guys that were in her flight. There were quite a few of us that crossed the street to the 343rd. Did you have her as an MTI?
@@publicuser2534 no but I did have her husband as an instructor and boy howdy if you mentioned her uhhhh... exploits I guess
@@limabravo6065 We got along with him pretty well? When did you join up? I was in tech school starting at the end of February 2006. Left Lackland in Jun 06 and deployed in 07.
13Jun62. Life was different when I started basic. If women want to join the military, I have no problem. Just segregate them to another part of any military training base and have them interact at every level with veteran female enlisted and officers. If needed, put up a barbed wife fence and put armed guards around the gate/s and fence. Yeah, draconian but probably needed.
So what is your point.
@@feliceagarcia4498 dont have mixed gender units
How about we as men stop messing around with female recruits. This wasn’t the fault of the trainees. This is on the male drill instructor’s that take advantage of the power they have. Keep your dick to yourself until you’re assigned to a squadron. And even then, don’t mess with folks in your chain of command.
TSgt Spaide was in there I trained him as an MTI. Thank god he didn't do anything stupid. I cannot say the same for one of my other students who did shitty things and went to jail for as he should have.
Commanders are responsible for everything their subordinates do or fail to do.
Separate areas all female TIs no male contact. This is what happens when you mix the sexes in some well meaning effort at social engineering the military. USAF 1969
Why is this being reposted?? Its been years.
Read the title of this channel.
As a reminder!
Because it’s always going to be relevant.
Staff Sergeant Michelle Manhart…look her up. She looked way better in uniform, instructing trainees on proper push-up form. 😂😅
That’s because chairforce get all the damn super models
Do you get a merit badge for graduating Air Force Basic Training?
What branch were you in? Oh yeah! That's right...
@@alexsmith6914 Guess I'll toss my DD214 away since you don't approve. I bet you're a Chair Force vet? No one else would be so easily offended.
@@JU-bp7tx Okay, Stolen Valor
@@alexsmith6914 So did you get a merit badge or not?
@@JU-bp7tx You weren't even in the military so shut your mouth.
I will say it to the people saying all female this all female that. You shouldn't have to males should conduct themselves correctly. I had females in my army boot camp cycle, they had their own base and didn't make a difference on anything. If males can conduct themselves correctly we wouldn't have any issues.
On a real note. I should’ve joined the air force instead of the Army.. Who’s with me
I have come across a lot of veterans that have said the same thing…if only. Many people dont realize, the AF has a high benchmark for passing the ASVAB. If folks dont, they are pointed in the direction of the Army recruiter. Im sure it is the same thing now for Space Force. They need people that score off the charts.
After reading n looking at these vids i wouldn't spit in a marines face let alone let my daughter or son join a group that treats its members like that what a disgrace to the u.s military
Phillip Wood I just graduated from BMT. My MTI’s informed us of the past sexual misconduct and told us that a lot of changes had occurred. Because if this, a trainee is NEVER alone, not even if speaking to an MTI with the flight literally 5 feet away. I never felt threatened during my time at Lackland. It completely comes down to the MTI and the flights willingness to report any inappropriate behavior.
Often, if recruits reported any kind of abuse, then the TI's got revenge, by throwing an "ARMADILLO", on the whole flight! This was in 1982! I hope things are better now!
When I served it was men with men, women with women.
It is Ironic. Recruiters tell you that if you have tried "X 10 years ago, you are disqualified. lol
A friend of mine who did his AIT at Ft Lee Virginia told me that there was a few Drill Sergeants that were involved in having sex with females in their platoon off base
ArmyGuyDan this year??
@@donnysan 1998
ArmyGuyDan if it isnt rape than its okay
Oh ok...well dang. Isn't this the main reason they are separated in boot camp? Separate them I guess, but people really should be able to be professional and act civilized in the "work" place.
Indeed. Separation is sort of admitting that men in authority can't be expected to control themselves. That is *not* the message we should be sending.
It’s more complicated than it sounds.. unfortunately they just have to trust that they give campaign hats to the right individuals. They’re not all bad people.
And people should also be able to go to sleep with their front door wide open.
@@GravisTKD That's not what separating means you fucking moron. Separating reduces the chances of the women falling victim to a predator. Don't lump all men into this shit.
This was going on since 2010 most likely earlier. Funny how they do a story about it years later
Kari, chambers,
Who cares! Proves one thing. That we, are weak.
Not even a real boot camp.
More like the brownies.
WEAK.
WOW!!!! THE AIR FORCE!!?? The Air Force really need to change how they do things!!!
There should be death penalty for sex offenders!
Awe damn I’m goin here soon😂
whats your date?
Sep 3 Lmao
@@ArtexHardstyle02 might see you there...I'm going Oct 29.
No Cares it’s not as bad as you think i went through bmt about 3 years ago, it’s actually pretty easy
@@TopFlightPhantom any tips?
Absolute bullshit, I am sure the illegal activity is going and the suspects are guilty but the real problem lies with certain individuals and groups within and outside of the US military complex continually pushing an agenda of integration of the sexes and their roles in combat and training. This is a result of being hellbent on placing women and men as equals in terms of soldiering. Why is it that this wasn’t a huge issue during the past century and all of the major wars fought during it. At least from my perspective it has now become huge issue but that may be as a result of the exposure it has received only now.
Ez Mil's song Lackland brought me here lol
They sure didn't care when I was in. Other trainees were being sexually assaulted and then it happened to me and I decided to say something. You know what I was told by the top guy? That if I wanted to pursue this any further, I'd lose my career. I didn't and as I walked out, him and the creep snickered. Needless to say, no other women ever came forward either, we just endured. I felt like I got my victory when I was honored Honor Graduate and got to turn and smile and gloat at the creep on the way to get my award. Best feeling ever!
Its sad cause I am sure there a great MTI's but the bad apples stink up the whole basket as they say , but yeh I hope justice was served and there are no more issues but then again can evil really be fully erased in this world?
Make it simple & straight forward. With all due respect, to prevent sexual misconduct or harassment from happening again, banned female trainees from enlisting. Its that simple.
When I went through basic a cadet told a female "yeah I know you want me but you can't have me" an walked off an the instructor didnt do anything. An tech school my instructor was messing with a female in my class while he was married with a child.
At sheppard?
That's why in the military, men and women shouldn't have access to one another so easily. This is fucking disgusting your duty is to protect and uphold our country.... You didn't sign up for fuckin' around and tarnishing the american flag.
I feel bad for post scandal mti’s I can’t imagine the micro management that took place following 2012.
Only 10... amateurs.
What do you think happens when you mix physically fit, employed young men & women???
Hormones are raging full blown.
They could just go back to the way it should be with male recruits trained by male MTI's and female recruits trained by female MTI's.
Creepy 😨
When I came through basic it was SSGT Deraas and some others doing shit like this. Man you think they would learn from their mistakes but apparently things never change.
It starts with the Leadership.
What can the Col. ? Learn from the past generations that knew what the military was and who and how to train why and for what and stop ignoring science.. No co ed lunch, no co ed pt,,,Keep females on one end and males on another end of the training side of the base Comoletley. They should never even See each other until after graduation. If you cant figure this out, you're not fit to command a military training base, which means we have a lot of sub standard training supervision going on. Anyone who's been involved in the military and has actually had a bit of experience should get it. The military should be about winning wars, not PC. This country is so wrapped up in PC red tape it takes 6 days to do 6 hours of anything anymore, and its gotta be done 6 different ways to fit the criteria of 6 different big wigs who support 6 different political views. Clinton and McPeak were shitty for the Air Force, the Bush 2 era actually helped begin fixing it for real for the first time in decades,, I hope it can continue for the sake of the Airmen and the country.
Atleast they’ll get some drill practice on the chain gang.
Thanks Air Force, because of you we have to have SHARP class every two fucking weeks
This is disturbing...
These weren't such a problem when females were trained by females, and the men were trained by men, and kept separate from one another. I didn't get close to a woman until after I graduated.
Zero tolerance.
I went through the 331 TRS IN 2001. And the men trained the men and the women trained the women. With exception to my sister flight. Who had a male TI. With a female training TI in tow. I had nothing wrong to say about it at all. Other then my TI scared the fuck out of me.
I obviously haven't met EVERYONE in the Airforce, but I know a few from the Security Forces and THEY were either Meglomainacts, Perverted or both. It seems that each branch of the service has it own specific faults.
:35 Walker was sentenced in 2012. Two yeas later he committed suicide by hanging himself in his cell.
Welp good thing I’m going army 😂
Iffy Edem this is old lol, I graduated BMT May this year and remained untouched lol
@@aishanicholee that the have even relaxed things since than...no making the dayroom walls sweat or smoke sessions anymore...tgey cannot even yell at you all anymore
Iffy Edem there are rotten apples in every branch. But good luck, & congrats.
I hate to give bad news but it happens in the army also
That was your first mistake homie lmao.
This is a reason that having gender segregated training was a good idea. But then the politicians and mothers of America got involved. Males and females should serve separately, not so much for the issues of sexual assault so much as because of distinct differences between the sexes. While in support units this does not matter as much, it matters a lot in combat arms. Women just can't physically do some of the things that men can do (and vice versa, I have yet to meet a male that went through vaginal birth). I believe that females can serve in combat arms, but they need to be in their own units that set SOP/TPP that make sense for females (as opposed to males). This probably involves different load distributions, living standards, etc.
It all figures, they pretend to be above it all. Never for me.
That's why I like the Marine corps they should have female instructors for female recruits, and male instructors for male recruits
As long as its consential. Can we please move on. !!
I just graduated from there and this is news to me..
Green Rusty how long ago did you graduate?
Yeah , I graduated May 2019 and we found out about this while we were in. This was in 2012 though , and they fired all the staff and replaced them all since then
Yeah I thought this stuff was over with, I graduated in 2017 and it didn’t seem like anything was happening at all
Thank god you guys didnt get gang banged gaped raped or killed to keep quite this is why i became a roofer local 8 baby newyork city i was gonna join the sevice because of the attacks of 911shit i was 18 at the time but what made me change my mind was literally the day after 911 recruiters in nyc were flooding every high school there was so i gave it a try i took the practice exam but the recruiter was acting a bit weird he kept following me home calling my house at odd hours like what the fuck is up with this fucking asshole so i declined the same shit was with this navy recruiter fuckers were desprate so i said fuck that ima join the trades whats better being home working a nice job comming home to my family or going threw hell over some fucking politicians war that dont give a flying fuck about any one especailly the sevicemen and women of the military
Leave no child behind act
They started the "co-ed" TI in the 70s when I went through boot camp. It was wrong to the Nth degree! I could see it effecting the troops. My fellow boot, had physical relations with a Female major at the clinic for the entire time. Nope...there's enough men for the male flights and women TIs for the females.
This is why couples should join and train together so it wouldn't be problem.
Maybe they’re all just there to bait soldiers
American armed services always make me think of the starship troopers film.
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I’ll be there in a month, should I be worried?
Always stay Vigilant, but don't worry. Your chaplain is your best friend and there are SARC phones in every dormitory for anonymous reporting
Kailah Ware not at all...I’ve been AF for almost 3 years now and I can say that the very large majority of MTIs want to lead and instruct to the best of their abilities. Unfortunately things like this happen in every branch but even back when I went through BMT they had a ton of procedures to make sure things like this don’t happen. I’m honestly not even sure how this could’ve happened since you’re not allowed to be in a room alone with an MTI
500yrs. The air force was created after WW2 around 1948,
Political correctness keeps the only effective solution to this problem from being implemented-gender segregated basic training.
I was in basic during this time
How to fix the issue is segregate the females completely away from the males period... These women make complaints simply because they don't want to be treated same as males they want to be treated special... For example lower standards for females in PT even further than they already are... From their male counterparts.... it's the same thing that happened at West point females wanted in simply to get attention but treated equal as the males they quit.... I'm sorry but if a female joins in the male dominated world then they should be EXPECTED TO PERFORM AS A MALE WOULD... AND BE EXPECTED TO BE SENT TO THE FRONT LINES... otherwise they can shut up the crying playing victim card...
I really don’t think these women complained about being raped because they didn’t want to have to do the same amount of pushups as men
Typical AF officer response. You don’t run anything, your chiefs run it. All you do is have a secretary do everything for you. AF basic is a joke anyways, you give all the trainees the power.
Been going on for decades. In the 90's a guys brother i worked with did test result briefings with navy intake females... For a few points the whamen would crawl under the desk for a few minutes. This guy did this for years... Raw Dawg i believe was his side show name.
Men train men. Women train women.
This is old news. Why is this just now getting publicity
Tip of the iceberg
Like a month after I left fort benning my battalion commander was relieved of command and discharged for the same shit
@Jimmy Strudel nah he was kinda tall. Looked like an Italian of sorts but he had a high and tight. I met him when I was doing extra duty down at 2-58
@Jimmy Strudel lieutenant colonel howard was his name. When I met him he seemed like a great dude. Wicked nice and very professional
It takes a special individual to train mixed gender platoons. There is too much of a tendency to "make a statement" during your assignment period instead of DOING YOUR JOB. Even in they gym, I do my part and actually do it better than the training staff. You are an example, not a god. As an instructor, you do everything by example. In my USMC boot camp (1983), there wasn't any of the insults, snapping fingers like a a dog, etc.
Well dang. Okay then
Most of the MTIs work so hard, they work on holidays and give it their all. It sucks that a couple shit heads make all of them look bad.
Join the Airforce they said it will be so much fun they said
@@SC-dw3jz honestly I don't know 🤣
Sure, so believable.
And is it a good idea to have opposite sexes training together???????
The problem was never between trainees. Their lives are run so minute to minute that they don't really have time to misbehave. The problem was MTIs abusing their power. Having males and females together in training is not bad because we're going to fight side by side anyway, might as well get used to it. That said, having male MTIs in charge of female flights, or female MTIs in charge of male flights seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
But he told me he loves me.
Yeah put male and female together and see what happen
only in the chairforce...
Bitch bye
I’m callin bullshit
Wait until they go on a deployment... Haha. This is news to people?
Rape typically doesn’t happen on deployments
@@snipinmonsta This wasn't reported as rape but sexual misconduct which absolutely happens on on deployment.
@@snipinmonstaWhat kind of drugs are you on? Rape is pervasive on deployment. Especially with the mortar bunkers all over the place. Female troops actually got issued rape whistles when I was in Iraq.
Were theres power theres abuse of said power
Imagine the sarc briefings now
bill bell this happened in 2012 and I went through in 2015. We had 3 sarc briefings in the first week talking about this. We weren’t aloud to talk to the MTIs without another recruit right next to us even if we were in the bays.
I know I went through basic in jul of 2012. The whole time it seemed that’s all briefings were about
My buddy was an MP in the army. He said that in his base there was sex scandals all the time. This isn’t anything new. And don’t shame the Air Force just because of their funding or something
My ex works there she fits in with the other cops
Damn pretty fucked up.