Part of PvE endgame is always getting good enough to carry. It’s an unwritten milestone/requirement of every PvE game out there. I’m older and accept it as a feature of playing with humans from the largest possible pool. But I could see it frustrating most anyone. I play mostly on lethal and it’s not this bad. Most people looking for a carry will either quit or listen to the following on voice “if you don’t have legendary gear, stay close to me..” Then just play from point of cover to cover and it pans out. Most players even the good ones, Leeroy Jenkins themselves…putting them by cover so sticking near it is an immediate option generally improves play. What I would like is when you go down, the drones still have a chance to fight it out. That way if both your buddies rage quit, you’re not more or less doomed the next time you go down.
I was forced before lol. Was playing with strangers and the host changed it to lethal when we were previously on ruthless and we died instantly to Tyranids. People can force you. Note I’m pretty new to the game when it happened
I think lethal is in a great place ATM, it's difficult enough while not feeling impossible. I'm not sure increasing the difficulty or adding another one would really do anything other than removing the power fantasy gameplay of it. Horde mode would be the way to add difficulty
I agree I agree. I only play lethal when I’m on. My teammates have been freakin great, I’ve had great Tyranid operation runs. I salute my competent brothers
There are many people who if they have half competent teammates, it's a guaranteed W. And there are a lot more of them than you would think. Lethal gets boring quick when your clear rate is 90% +
I think they may need to lower the health or damage of chaos marines, granted i mostly go tactical but each class should feel useful Tactical doesnt have enough ammo to shoot up all the chaos marines and often switching to melee is just a death sentence for some of us, thats coming from a guy who rarely fails parry timing and usually manages perfect dodges, the issue occcurs due to the chaos with flame throwers and rifles which are far harder to dodge than they should be, dont get me started on those rocket ones which feel near impossible tp dodge, god forbid you run into one and youre out of ammo, you're just gonna die at that point I wanna make it clear, i only play on lethal, ive completed all ops on lethal but 4 or 5 despite having multiple attempts, trying other classes that ive levelled, i dont have friends to play with sp i just end up with randoms who pick vanguard or assualt which are just terrible for the most part on that difficulty
@Eternity-o1x tac has a perk that gives him a full clip every 30 seconds. Pick the variant of whatever gun gives you more ammo and don't reload when the clip is low, let that perk fill your ammo for you, and you will almost never run out of ammo. Hot take: chaos isn't that hare. People don't like playing chaos missions, so they don't play them as often as Tyranids missions. I think if everyone was as used to fighting chaos as they were Tyranids and as familiar with their attack patterns, they would find them slightly harder at best
I’m fairly new to space marine two, and this video just made me aware that I can teleport to the battle barge. I am just playing easy and normal as bulwark before I try anything until I’m 25 and up
Honestly dude. Just chill in those difficulties. Play all classes, get any weapons you're interested in into green tier. Mess around with all the classes. Maybe then coimmit to grind one to max. Alot more to enjoy in terms of combast than I originally thought. Also pracice blocking, I just find it more fun (maybe niot on bulwark, it's kind of unreliable. .
@@boredblueyes1963 I’ll try the other classes then:), so far my love for bulwark is due towards the dark angels champion skin. I am new to warhammer and they are my favorite chapter so far.
@@boredblueyes1963it is really realiable - bulwark is my main and you have to get used to it - i also get a lot of perfect parries with heavy so prolly just skill issue (no offence)
I finished all the lethal runs… I’m not a big fan of it. I only play ruthless because it’s casual+. I wish the new difficulty was ruthless damage but just with more enemies. Give me two carnifax per match
I honestly love the higher difficulty. I’ve never played anything other than lethal since it came out. When a teammate joins and they don’t die, it’s great, we’re smooth through most of the mission. When a low level joins, it basically adds another level of difficulty in my opinion. I will try to protect them and put my focus on getting them through. Most of the time they die, and it leaves a swarm of enemies to come right for you. I especially love this when I’m playing the Tyranid missions because it’s like horde mode, before horde is out.
I just did and completed my first couple solo lethal runs. Did ballistic engine first try and right after inferno, on my second try. My first try i instantly died in the first area before the first possible boss spawn after a giant barrage of 33 majoris and 4 extremis...
I'm sorry but the way your saying your not trying to be mean and bragging kind of falls flat when you are doing so as I get it, it sucks but last I checked ai detector is the one that can switch at any turn as I have been in games with mates on lethal where all was going well then we start getting pushed and killed slowly as it spawns in 5 snipers, twin Zoanthrope, about 7 warriors and a Lictor hitting us all at once so I would say it's more down to bad luck then just 90% the time low levels and 'bad players'.
The AI generator plays a big part but when your teammates are dying at the bottom of the hill after the start of Inferno you know they aren’t ready. Revive them just to get killed again 30 seconds later. A good cohesive team should be able to deal with about anything. You lose 2 teammates during a situation like that and your odds are about gone
It's not bad luck. It's bad programming. Devs don't know how to develop this game. They have minimal knowledge about Warhammer, they made this game only for cash and don't know what to do now so they just add NEXT DIFFICULTY LEVEL, first was hardest, 2nd hardest+ and now we'll get (hardest)^2... But actually content? Nah mate, we don't do that here...
@ Sorry but you must be blind to what has been added in only almost 4 months while they have been fixing bugs then as last I checked we got DLC, two new missions and a difficulty that when done unlocks more items. Just seems to me your holding them up to AAA games forgetting this is a AA game meaning smaller team that also has to wait for Games Workshop to give them thumbs up on things.
What I get pissed at is when I’m marking al these guardian relics and med stims yet my teammates are walking right passed them, while having no health and a mortal wounds 🤦🏾♂️ and when I tell them to heal by executing when I place my bulwarkbanner and they completely ignore it. I don’t get downer lethal. Constantly healing but teammates usually fuck you over
I waited till I got 2 classes to level 25 both for my tactical and vanguard and made sure I had grinded out multiple relic weapons the following completed before I secured the "Survivors Helm" I had grinded out the bolt rifle with grenade Launcher, heavy bolt rifle, stalker bolt rifle, plasma incinerator (tactical), auto bolt rifle, occulus bolt carbine, instigator bolt carbine, bolt pistol, neo volkite pistol and chain sword again all before I made Lethal attempts! The tyrranid Operations (Inferno, Decapitation, Vox Liberatus, Ballistic Engine, and Termination) were a breeze to get thru while Fall of Atreus was a surprising 1st run clear considering I ran that with my Vanguard running my Instigator bolt carbine and neo volkite pistol (great combo for chaos) but Reliquary, oh how I HATE that operation! You couldn't PAY ME to run that again on Lethal! a run on ruthless yeah sure but on lethal no, It took me NO BS ten attempts after I cleared Ballistic Engine and Termination I started attempts on reliquary every one or two failed runs id run a different operation, cleared all but obelisk doing it that way but yeah NGL people need to practice getting into Massive enemy waves face all terminus in the game so far (Nurothrope, Carnifex, Hell Brute) im not adding the Hive tyrant, Hell drake, or Bio titan as im not sure the count as terminus because there end of operation bosses and all extremus in game as well (zurothrope, Lictor, ravener, lesser sorcerer, Rocket terminator, and sword terminator) and be comfortable fighting a mix of extremis and large waves or both an extremis and terminus in the same encounter in ruthless and as a rule of thumb before running lethal for an operation clear each operation at least a few times on ruthless to get comfortable with layout, item spawns, wave spawns as well as practicing good use of cover and getting good at mastering the perfect dodge mechanic and perfect parry mechanic! (UNLESS UR A LUNATIC AND WANT TO GET GOOD WITH BLOCKING MELE WEAPONS LIKE THIS MAD LAD ABOVE) ALSO it is LETHAL do what it takes to survive but when playing with a team of friends or even with Randoms understand there is a PROPER TRIAGE as to who gets stims first LEARN IT, KNOW IT, LOVE IT the order is as follows for stims! Player with mortal wounds First ALWAYS! its better to have three brothers and two then Lowest Health player next because there most likely to get downed, the following is assuming all players are at full contested health and full Armor Then in order would be Tactical, Sniper, Heavy, Assault, Vanguard, then Bulwark in that Order also with Lethal IT IS NOT A DIFFICULTY ISSUE IT IS A LACK OF SKILLS ISSUE DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO
I have 3 level 25’s and I wouldn’t waste my time even trying lethal . You have to be aware of your own capabilities. I find ruthless hard enough , in a good team I don’t have much trouble , the problem I find is players speed running , no idea at all how to work as a team
Yeah, I maxed all my classes to 25 and have most of my weapons (and all of my top tier class weapons) to relic tier and I STILL haven't set foot in Lethal because I'm still dying on occasion in Ruthless. I've been playing SM2 since it came out in September and I still have stuff to learn before I'm comfortable enough to try Lethal. I honestly think Saber is making a huge mistake adding a new difficulty so soon after adding Lethal.
I think lethal is in a fine state been playing close to 3 weeks now and I have completed all lethal runs except obelisk (because there's no reward), I didn't play lethal untill i hit 25 and after playing the missions on 3 a bunch to remember latouts but I only played ruthless on the first 3 missions but not all players will have the skill/mindset (because i play a lot of solo) that i do because personally i think if you can beat ruthless you can beat lethal as well as if you can solo extremis and terminus enimies you'll be fine, good way to get used to bosses was to practice timings on 3 because if you loose a 3 it's less irritating for other if wiped but also you should be playing 3s solo with no downs if you are to jump from 3s to 5s
This is why I use bulwark healer for lethal …The only thing that actually grinds my gears is when I’m waiting for someone to pick up stim while said person has a death mark. I drop my banner perfectly after or right before they get to it so you can see you have your contested Health and crickets… they still have a death mark no stim used… wasted banner….. and then they full die 10 mins later.
Lethal with current perks and stuff is really balanced imo. I comfortably solo them a lot so I know it’s not impossible. I will say I love playing with new people especially if they’re struggling. Not only for the challenge, but people are able to practice more after being dead in first 3 minutes like you said
Part of the issue is that you can’t have the same class and have to choose one that may not be ready. They need to remove the wall to play for having the same class. Gets old joining just to leave and try again.
I feel you with the newer lvl 25s not knowing what they're doing. Been leveling up my steam account (played console) and probably like 70% of the lethal games where I was lvling Tac, Van and Heavy from lvl 1, I was beating my teammates in damage. And surviving better than them too. Got the Survivor Helm while lvling my Tac so I surprisingly didn't get kicked once when joining lethal games under-levelled.
I’ve been playing the game since release and I’m just now ready to dabble into it and that’s after getting all weapon unlocks and mastery for all weapons for heavy and tac
personally as a casual player i always liked to play on average or substantial since i always prefer to just turn my brain off and enjoy the game without muhc of a hassle, i sometimes go to ruthless when im confident enough in my abilities to be of help to the team and most of the times it does go well, for lethal tho, unless i got close friends who i can do it with once we got enough experience in dealing with the diffeculty smooth as we can, i personally rather not get near it since it mostly can be both ways either teammates or me who can be the problem, for the former im kinda used having teammates who can be like that in other games i play and for the latter i can screw up as well and when it comes to lethel id prefer not getting in ppl's games and ruin thier runs (even premade ones too) since ik more or less how its like dealing with inexpereicned ppl and ik my flaws well to know what dif to pick and when.
I recently started getting back into lethal, I was usually chilling on substantial or ruthless but recently I thought why not get better at lethal and help others out since I already have everything and it's been a ton of fun.
Also, brother, check out my helbrute end carnifex take down guide on the subreddit. With a good bulwark on the team you just need to let them cook the helbrute alone and clear the mobs for them without causing aggro. The helbrute will never even get close to you. By the way the eclipse were taken on solo ruthless.
In my opinion the range damage is just too much. I can get through Lethal, but it doesn’t mean I enjoy being so squishy. For me, harder difficulty making all the enemies able to rip through you like wet paper, isn’t fun. I liked Lethal on Ghost of Tsushima cause yea, if you made a mistake you could die instantly. But you could do the same to the enemies except in duels. Variety of enemies, speed and variety of the attacks, amount of enemies. These are the things I think would be more fun then enemies can shred through you like you’re nothing. Even when I do beat the mission I didn’t really enjoy the mission if I’m being honest
On Lethal there are several area's that it is way better to not try to kill everything but to run, dodge, roll your way to the waypoint and thus on Lethal to do it properly the whole team must know the plan. Inferno is by the way one of those area's that you can just bypass large amounts of enemies by simply running around them.
I joined a quick match on ruthless and stayed with the group for the next match. Host switched it to lethal but I was ok with that. He and his friend were a premade but they still both went down in the first area. And I resurrected them with bulwark banner and then they went down again. I went down not long after. I don't even main bulwark
Most groups on lethal that fail, at least for me, are ones who don't work together as a team. Occasionally, you run into groups where things just go south cause of bad spawns getting overwhelmed or running into ammo droughts. I don't necessarily blame others for that, it just happens the nature of the difficulty. As a disabled gamer who only has one arm to use and plays with foot pedals to help accommodate, lethal is brutal, but very doable with a team that works together and I find that to be the defining factor most of the time as a sign of a group that's ready to this level of difficulty. I'm fairly new to the game and I'm working my way to clearing most operations lethal currently 5/8. With a solid group who understands the game I fit in pretty well with minimal hinderance to the group and in other ways I help elevate the group. I mostly main sniper btw and I hate those for rush through the map as I think it almost always results in a wipe no matter the difficulty.
The leap between ruthless and lethal is MASSIVE. I'm convinced a lot of these people haven't acclimated to it. Yesterday it took hours for me to find 2 Randoms competent enough to finish approximately 2 lethal missions. I don't have anyone to play with so i have to rely on randoms, unfortunately. I'm good enough to hold my own at lethal and finish missions, synergize as well as i can with random guys but it's so hard. I ran across so, so many guys between levels 1-15 and no they weren't wearing the busted helmet which at least would tell me they know what they're doing lol. It's so hard, man. Makes me not want to play but it's my day off and i know i will at some point. But playing for 3 hours to finish 1 lethal is just painful. Should i find guys i can actually play well with and finish a match they'll seldom add me back, if ever.
Just add me...Sulla_Stazi, or try it with all caps. I main Sniper, Tac and Heavy. I'm usually not the chatty type but yeah we can do runs if u up for it. I find myself in same boat as you, always queuing up with Randoms.
People need to communicate. It is a team-based game and mode in PvE, and that communication needs to start at the battle barge up until the end of the match. At that difficulty level you need to coordinate with your team and optimize your loadouts. From there communication needs to continue when unexpected situations arise in the op.
I will again mention that I wish we could make custom difficulty presets where tou can change enemy health, wave frequency, extremis spawn frequency and some other things that I guess don’t come to mind rn. It’d be cool to have hordes as big as they are in lethal and ruthless, but have the enemies be about as tanky as they are in average or minimal.
I honestly do feel this. I already got my main stuff and all missions done on Lethal but I do que up Lethal and oh boy do I feel like I am solo carrying sometimes.
It usually takes me several runs to find good players when doing Inferno/Ballistic Engine/Termination on Lethal. Most die during the first engagement. So we are talking about the first minute in the game. When I notice my mates are not up to it then going out of the operation is the only smart move to make otherwise you will only waste time.
I’ve done and finished lethal with the boys when it came out we all got survivorhelm in week one of Lethal. we sometimes even say we want to be able to turn on the Stay close together thing then again when we played it we said that sniper or assault got nerfed heavily when they’re supposed be at the back line or ganking Venom Cannon boys. so uhh if you’re in australia and want some help with lethal i’ll join anyone who needs help
I enjoy helping other players obtain their helmets. Still, I only do as a vanguard to ensure my survival and prefer to play in straightforward operations like Inferno or Vox Liberatis.
In the movie Men in Black there is line "a person is smart, people are dumb." People understand we should play ruthless if not ready, but if there is Lethal difficulty as the best content, THEY PLAY IT. Group of ppl act more like amoeba.
I'm in the same boat as you. The amount of times I've run Lethal and gotten 2 randoms that have no business running the game at that difficulty is higher than the amout of times I've gotten a competent team. And it's always the types of players who die and then immediately ragequit the mission too. Like, its one thing to quit when the entire team is dead so you dont have to sit through multiple loading screens and can just go through one and re-queue faster, but ragequiting the second you die is absolutely not the mindset you should have going into Lethal, yet I see it more often than not. I feel like a lot of people are under the impression that them not being good enough for Lethal is okay if they can get 2 good players to carry them, but that just leads to more teams where its 2 less competent players relying on one player to hard carry them which, is doable but such a pain for that one good player. My general recommendation when it comes to Lethal is not to even CONSIDER it until you at LEAST have a full loadout of Relic weapons, and even then, you may want to hold off until you get a full perk setup for specific weapons. Lethal isn't a mode for leveling, it's the current end game content thats meant to be played when you're set and have a full build that you're comfortable with. If you still need someone to help you out with getting through one more Lethal run for the helmet, I can help you out. I already got it, so I likely have more experience than the average random you'll find when attempting to solo queue.
Honestly, I have had good and bad matches on lethal - I know there’s someone that will come in and say “you just need to practice until you can solo lethal” from their basement, but I’m glad I have my helmet. I’ll be honest some of those wins, I didn’t contribute as much as other ones. I don’t have friends that i play with, so finding teammates that you get the right chemistry with is much more a challenge on lethal.
Lethal is just perfect (I have survivors helm btw). I agree with the other folks that being level 25 is not enough. I had a L25 assault, but knew nothing about the game and also had no interest in lethal and would always play on average until one day I matched with Randos and they took me to Lethal. I got brutalised but the bulwark kept me alive (That’s when I learnt about invigorating icon) soo many things happened in that operation. After that I worked my way up to lethal. It was here that I learnt the advanced mechanics of the game and how to effectively play with other classes.
I usually play a few games of ruthless with a random squad and if it goes well we play some lethal runs. If they can’t hang in ruthless obviously it’s not happening
Skipping ruthless is a good point, again that was an issue on Darktide, people seemed to play quite low difficulties till they max out then go to max. It's a bit odd. I think there is a mentality you're not playing it properly if you're not playing it on top level. spamming for engagement over one big reply :)
I might be able to play Tryanids at lethal because I'm not getting downed often with a good team. I defiantly cannot play against chaos on lethal difficulty.
I beat my last Lethal mission yesterday to unlock the Survivors helmet. The only reason I even managed was because I used the grande launcher for Tactical along with a bunch of perks specifically designed for that launcher. The way I see it, if you can find a build that works for you, you’ll stand a good chance of surviving long enough to finish. I didn’t think I’d ever be able to even survive a few seconds in Lethal yet I managed to solo a hellbrute using Auspex and launcher grenades. I’m not trying to flex or anything, literally all I wanted was the sword, the helmet, and the knee pad emblems, I’m never playing Lethal again unless there’s a reward for doing it XD I mean it is fun to scan three terminators and unload on them but my heart can’t take it anymore. Honestly it really comes down to having a solid build, and good team coordination. I have never valued Bulwarks so highly until after I played Lethal. I salute all my battle brothers who have provided me a full set of health when I needed it.
Eww a noob tube fun killer made launcher user. You kill the fun for your teammates using the GL. The GL is widely considered as the “fun killer” weapon. Don’t be surprised when people join then leave when they see you running that weapon
@ I’ve literally not had a single person leave my game when they see me running this gun lol. Besides, I only really use when I wanna grind out armory data from the higher difficulties, plasma rifle is more my thing ^^
I would rather they scale back the difficulty than getting another level after level beyond lethal. Actually I would still like to see adjustments to the difficulty levels once the new level gets added in. I think the Minimal is fine, but I feel like the difficulty we have at Average should be moved up slightly more towards Substantial, and have Substantial move more towards Ruthless and similarly have Ruthless move slightly more towards Lethal. Speaking of not being able proceed through the operation. Running through Fall of Atreus the other day and was stuck at the console room because the Tactical picked up a working battery but for whatever reason did not interact with the console. Just kinda stood there and waves kept spawning. Had to wait for them to become incapacitated drop the fuel cell so I could pick it up and move on through the Operation. Fast forward to the final section… neither of my battle brothers were helping with the objective at all. I had to escort the fuel cell AND run back to switch the tracks.
I think Lethal should be locked behind a challenge. The challenge should be get a class to lvl25 AND have completed the mission on Ruthless without going down/dying. Maybe do the second part 3 times that way there's a greater chance the player fought most if not all of the Terminus enemies.
I would love to play with you. I've got two level 25 classes and working on a third. Hopefully I can stand up to Lethal. In retrospective, I just realized Ruthless is still kicking my rear 5 out of 6 times. Um... never mind. I'm not ready for the big leagues yet.
I had someone yesterday see me wearing the survivor helmet and changed the difficulty up to lethal on me, luckily I was playing bulwark so I was able to get us through it but man, it was not a smooth run lol
Okay I've cleared the Tyranid ops on lethal with randoms but I'm still working on the chaos ops. For me the most frustrating things have been pressing parry and nothing happens (it's a bug apparently...) or having six spore mines spawn on my head. With Chaos ops my main issue is oh my entire squads dead and I'm not good enough to carry hahahahaha.
Since I can only play coop with Randoms, it's Substantial is hard AF. To play anything harder, you really need to be able to talk to your team. Strategize, planning who gets ammo, health, what your roles are.
Here lately substantial in some. Instances can be harder if you get a shit instance. The mobs can get ridiculous. Ever since the last update the difficulty levels have been kind of fucked lately
you feel like this because you depend too much on teammates. Just hold your own, if they are bad they will leave, others will join. Lethal feels great right now.
I mean I don't know I am a souls player so maybe it's different for me but I was able to do all the tyranid missions solo. I only needed the team for chaos because chaos is guns were just everywhere The flamers would kill the bots so fast.
Lots of people do not even know how to parry I like Lethal I have finished all ops on xbox and all of my marines are 25 and my sniper is at 24 and I have helped alot of people get lethals done
Its hard... but but I don't think its too hard for most players. The issue is you need a good group who are optomised and work well together... If you are not talking to each other and communicating, yeah its probably too hard for normies without a group. I finished all of them with my mates. We were on discord, and we tried various setups to get the most out of our group. Once we had our roles down pat we found them to be very doable... Our group was a Tactical with G/Launcher, Bulwalk for healing and a vanguard for self healing and dps. Bulwark got priorities on stims and relics to keep the party alive as the 'healer'. We communicated when we needed health and a banner with an execute to keep the party mostly topped off with health. If someone died we made sure they got stims and a heal to get rid of the mortal wound.
Im in a discord group so i never have this problem but what you might be running into is people who are wanting to unlock the helmet and sword skin for lethal and there just hoping there team mates can carry them
I had a guy saying the heal of extremis perk for vanguard was the best perk in the game. And I should just 'get good at melee' when I told him he has the worst perk in the game on when he could have had the one of the best perks in the game on instead. 😅
I used to play nothing but lethal difficulty after attaining my survivor's helmet, I thought to myself anything less was lowering my play, but then lethal just got worse and worse and worse with the AI directors going out of control even post 5.1 patch, chaos is absolutely ridiculous with never-ending spawns, the same goals for the tyranids even though they're a lot more fun to play, I feel like the simplest and most obvious fix to this is just to give us more ammo, like that's it, have much more frequent ammo crates for everyone and that would solve like all the problems because a lot of times you clear a lot of ads only for Morse Horus to come and you're left with empty magazines I left lethal and I'm playing exclusively ruthless now just to enjoy the game and not have a sweat fest LOL 0:411:22
You are right, if they are walking in the Battle Barge, clearly they don’t have enough experience to play Lethal. You don’t need have a Lvl 25 to play that difficulty but you need to be competent enough to dodge/block/parry at least 95% of incoming attacks and relying on being carried by someone. Unfortunately there far too many players that have been carried by others and then they are under the delusion that they are good enough because of their Class being level 25 but they need to understand that THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT
I'm at a point where ruthless feels too easy and lethal feels a bit too unforgiving some times. I believe that the enemies have too much health. Terminators requiere an obscene ammount of headshots with the sniper to go down, things like that take me off a bit. It feels ok if in the party you have a bulwark and a tactical. I don't know, in my opinion a bit of touch-up here and there would be great.
I’m in a server group on discord that helps people learn how to play the game and understand how it’s played. We have a good time and share our knowledge with each other.
Lucky to finish 1 out of every 5 ruthless runs with randoms. Don't see a point in stepping it up to Lethal. How about sorting out how to add friends list and class matchmaking first before New levels.
@@aki2662what's your gamer name ? I've completed every operation on substantial and have every weapon at 17000 XP. I'm ready to start trying for yellow armoury to upgrade to relic.Can I invite you?
@@jcpassafist what's your player name so I can invite? I've got all weapons at 17000 and need to get my first yellow armoury and then some to start upgrading? Please don't be another that just claims they own lethal and actually help someone beat it to? I'm playing in 40 minutes.🙏
I find this kinda funny because I’m kinda new to Space Marine 2 (played campaign at launch but not ops until the past few weeks) and my first substantial run went horribly when I was around lvl 15 on bukwark. From that point instead of contstantky attempting it I levelled up bulwark as well as tactical and vanguard and then ran it back at lvl 25 for a fairly easy completion. How are newer people failing an op and then deciding the best action is to try and try again. Definition of insanity.
Yes it is to hard for most players but it's not for most players it for more hard core players. I have noticed how ever the contested health going too fast problem is mainly down 2, the fact that all weapons do not do enough damage to get help back quick enough before it's gone
Me soloing Lethal with my lvl 8 Heavy while watching this video 😏 That being said, lvl 25 have nothing with skill or knowledge of the game. I get many people that cant even parry/block properly when they play on lethal even tho they are lvl25. Too many people not knowing how to stay alive without stims and perma execute (ks etc). Im still really excited about the new difficulty tho since i have nothing else to do.
That's me. I'm the random player.😂 I just got my first lvl 25- bulwark, so I jumped on lethal (Yes I cleared all ruthless) and we died in the promethium plant in inferno. Fought at least 14 extremis and a neurothrope. I clear hellbrutes and carnefaxes easy, but I'd never seen 2 extremis at a time. 💀
The problem is they didn't even balanced the game yet, your build are so limited in lethal, well, in chaos operation I would say. They really need to buff lots of weapon first.
I'm sure you'll catch a few strays for this one, it's impossible to post something like this without sounding like a prick. And that is valid, you DO sound like that, but I also agree. I'm brand new to this game but played a lot of Vermintide and Darktide and it has a similar problem, you get to a point where your team is full of people who are used to SPRINTING ahead and trying to kill everything because that is what they have always done and just run off and dies. The Sniper thing turned me, that's exactly what happens in those other games too. All Coop games I find I struggle with people running ahead and not taking their time and exploring, especially in this game where taking your time is REALLY important, people run off. Like I say I'm new and looking forward to a difficulty where you fail most of the time, super hard, but it is frustrating when you lose runs because people keep getting you dead.
I think latency gets some people. The game generally adjudicates lag in favor of the player, but meleeing is still a bad idea if you find yourself stuttering. For everyone else…low level players looking for a carry is a consequence of PvE and being able to make matches fast. Voice helps a lot. “If you don’t have legendary gear yet, try to stay close to me” does wonders for player behavior. Otherwise, you’re left with no quick match - host your own games and kick.
Man, I hate speed runners. It sounds like that's what he was doing. Many of these brothers are just too unfamiliar with the mechanics to be taking on the more challenging difficulties. Have faith @Yeertski, there are veteran brothers out here that can and will stand strong against the xenos and heretic scum with you! The Emperor protects.
I play pretty much only lethal, i do see alot of people that are low level, greedy for executions and equipment and bad. I can hard carry through any op at this point until i get griefed during fights. Im a solo player and i do love to help others through lethal ops, i find it fun to carry usually so it doesn’t bother me too much.
Tbh if you maxed out your builds correctly, lethal can become quite casual to play, especially the Tyranid operations. Even more so when your teammates have the same level of experience and play their roles as intended by the devs. The problem right now is that there seem to be way more random spores than before that can just delete your run out of nowhere from an unpredictable angle. + there’s a crazy amount of inexperienced players flooding lethal at the moment and it’s just not fun to be last brother standing 5 times per game. Everyone should play what they’re comfortable with, and show a little bit of consideration for their teammates before just jumping into lethal with lvl 18 and an artificer build. There’s no shame in playing lower difficulty, but there is in ruining the game for others.
I haven’t tried lethal yet cause I know I’m not good enough, almost 200 hours in the game and I can hardly play ruthless. My reaction times are not good enough. I could maybe learn but I don’t find much enjoyment In the process when I die so much on ruthless. Maybe if I was coached or something but meh. Although substantial is slowly getting too easy unless my team is just bad and leave you to die a lot. Also I’m in the process of getting all classes to 25 even if I don’t like them because I don’t like joining without a leveled character so I’m probably comprising my play swapping around too much but once they’re all 25 I’m gonna play only ruthless.
Eventually you will get a hang of the timing and find what class works best for you at higher difficulties. Sniper is excellent at creating space and Heavy can use the Melta which allows insane mob clearing so you won't need much reaction timing. If using Heavy, try Bonds of Brotherhood. It is a team perk that heals your teammates on revives, it goes a long way.
Highest difficulty should be indicated as optional. It should also be unlock-able after you you pass at least half of the maps on ruthless.
Thankfully you’re not forced to play lethal and if you’re not good enough to play it, that’s okay. Play for fun.
Preach, Brother Chaplain!
Yeah but the problem is your also not forced not to until you are good enough and that ruins it for those who are
Part of PvE endgame is always getting good enough to carry. It’s an unwritten milestone/requirement of every PvE game out there. I’m older and accept it as a feature of playing with humans from the largest possible pool. But I could see it frustrating most anyone.
I play mostly on lethal and it’s not this bad. Most people looking for a carry will either quit or listen to the following on voice “if you don’t have legendary gear, stay close to me..” Then just play from point of cover to cover and it pans out. Most players even the good ones, Leeroy Jenkins themselves…putting them by cover so sticking near it is an immediate option generally improves play.
What I would like is when you go down, the drones still have a chance to fight it out. That way if both your buddies rage quit, you’re not more or less doomed the next time you go down.
I was forced before lol. Was playing with strangers and the host changed it to lethal when we were previously on ruthless and we died instantly to Tyranids. People can force you.
Note I’m pretty new to the game when it happened
In my opinion if you can play Substantial and Ruthless until they bore you, until you have your play style keyed in, then you take a shot at Lethal.
I think lethal is in a great place ATM, it's difficult enough while not feeling impossible. I'm not sure increasing the difficulty or adding another one would really do anything other than removing the power fantasy gameplay of it. Horde mode would be the way to add difficulty
I agree I agree. I only play lethal when I’m on. My teammates have been freakin great, I’ve had great Tyranid operation runs. I salute my competent brothers
There are many people who if they have half competent teammates, it's a guaranteed W. And there are a lot more of them than you would think. Lethal gets boring quick when your clear rate is 90% +
I think they may need to lower the health or damage of chaos marines, granted i mostly go tactical but each class should feel useful
Tactical doesnt have enough ammo to shoot up all the chaos marines and often switching to melee is just a death sentence for some of us, thats coming from a guy who rarely fails parry timing and usually manages perfect dodges, the issue occcurs due to the chaos with flame throwers and rifles which are far harder to dodge than they should be, dont get me started on those rocket ones which feel near impossible tp dodge, god forbid you run into one and youre out of ammo, you're just gonna die at that point
I wanna make it clear, i only play on lethal, ive completed all ops on lethal but 4 or 5 despite having multiple attempts, trying other classes that ive levelled, i dont have friends to play with sp i just end up with randoms who pick vanguard or assualt which are just terrible for the most part on that difficulty
@Eternity-o1x tac has a perk that gives him a full clip every 30 seconds. Pick the variant of whatever gun gives you more ammo and don't reload when the clip is low, let that perk fill your ammo for you, and you will almost never run out of ammo.
Hot take: chaos isn't that hare. People don't like playing chaos missions, so they don't play them as often as Tyranids missions. I think if everyone was as used to fighting chaos as they were Tyranids and as familiar with their attack patterns, they would find them slightly harder at best
I’m fairly new to space marine two, and this video just made me aware that I can teleport to the battle barge. I am just playing easy and normal as bulwark before I try anything until I’m 25 and up
Honestly dude. Just chill in those difficulties. Play all classes, get any weapons you're interested in into green tier. Mess around with all the classes. Maybe then coimmit to grind one to max. Alot more to enjoy in terms of combast than I originally thought. Also pracice blocking, I just find it more fun (maybe niot on bulwark, it's kind of unreliable. .
@boredblueyes1963 yeah what's up with the bulwark sucking at blocking? He has a freaki shield!
@@boredblueyes1963 I’ll try the other classes then:), so far my love for bulwark is due towards the dark angels champion skin. I am new to warhammer and they are my favorite chapter so far.
@@boredblueyes1963it is really realiable - bulwark is my main and you have to get used to it - i also get a lot of perfect parries with heavy so prolly just skill issue (no offence)
@@Overanalyse_Thisat the beginning it has little different mechanic but you will learn it 😂
This is especially an issue while playing with inexperienced bulwarks. You get no heals from them and they die anyway.
I finished all the lethal runs… I’m not a big fan of it. I only play ruthless because it’s casual+. I wish the new difficulty was ruthless damage but just with more enemies. Give me two carnifax per match
That'd be great
And enough ammo
100% agree
@@shazam1995-b4h yes definitely more ammo. I wish the prestige would boost all perks 5-10% each level of prestige
I honestly love the higher difficulty. I’ve never played anything other than lethal since it came out. When a teammate joins and they don’t die, it’s great, we’re smooth through most of the mission. When a low level joins, it basically adds another level of difficulty in my opinion. I will try to protect them and put my focus on getting them through. Most of the time they die, and it leaves a swarm of enemies to come right for you. I especially love this when I’m playing the Tyranid missions because it’s like horde mode, before horde is out.
Exact same! Playing with new people makes it so much harder and makes me sit up in my seat! Hahaha
It sounds like you never played this game troll
I just did and completed my first couple solo lethal runs. Did ballistic engine first try and right after inferno, on my second try. My first try i instantly died in the first area before the first possible boss spawn after a giant barrage of 33 majoris and 4 extremis...
I'm sorry but the way your saying your not trying to be mean and bragging kind of falls flat when you are doing so as I get it, it sucks but last I checked ai detector is the one that can switch at any turn as I have been in games with mates on lethal where all was going well then we start getting pushed and killed slowly as it spawns in 5 snipers, twin Zoanthrope, about 7 warriors and a Lictor hitting us all at once so I would say it's more down to bad luck then just 90% the time low levels and 'bad players'.
The AI generator plays a big part but when your teammates are dying at the bottom of the hill after the start of Inferno you know they aren’t ready. Revive them just to get killed again 30 seconds later. A good cohesive team should be able to deal with about anything. You lose 2 teammates during a situation like that and your odds are about gone
It's not bad luck. It's bad programming. Devs don't know how to develop this game. They have minimal knowledge about Warhammer, they made this game only for cash and don't know what to do now so they just add NEXT DIFFICULTY LEVEL, first was hardest, 2nd hardest+ and now we'll get (hardest)^2... But actually content? Nah mate, we don't do that here...
@ Sorry but you must be blind to what has been added in only almost 4 months while they have been fixing bugs then as last I checked we got DLC, two new missions and a difficulty that when done unlocks more items. Just seems to me your holding them up to AAA games forgetting this is a AA game meaning smaller team that also has to wait for Games Workshop to give them thumbs up on things.
What I get pissed at is when I’m marking al these guardian relics and med stims yet my teammates are walking right passed them, while having no health and a mortal wounds 🤦🏾♂️ and when I tell them to heal by executing when I place my bulwarkbanner and they completely ignore it. I don’t get downer lethal. Constantly healing but teammates usually fuck you over
I may be missing some info', but couldnt it be possible that this new difficulty will be below Lethal instead of above it?
I'd love to have the extremis spawns of lethal on a more forgiving difficulty level where you can make a couple mistakes without instantly dying.
@@TheBenjaman Oh, hey, I like that idea.
I waited till I got 2 classes to level 25 both for my tactical and vanguard and made sure I had grinded out multiple relic weapons the following completed before I secured the "Survivors Helm" I had grinded out the bolt rifle with grenade Launcher, heavy bolt rifle, stalker bolt rifle, plasma incinerator (tactical), auto bolt rifle, occulus bolt carbine, instigator bolt carbine, bolt pistol, neo volkite pistol and chain sword again all before I made Lethal attempts! The tyrranid Operations (Inferno, Decapitation, Vox Liberatus, Ballistic Engine, and Termination) were a breeze to get thru while Fall of Atreus was a surprising 1st run clear considering I ran that with my Vanguard running my Instigator bolt carbine and neo volkite pistol (great combo for chaos) but Reliquary, oh how I HATE that operation! You couldn't PAY ME to run that again on Lethal! a run on ruthless yeah sure but on lethal no, It took me NO BS ten attempts after I cleared Ballistic Engine and Termination I started attempts on reliquary every one or two failed runs id run a different operation, cleared all but obelisk doing it that way but yeah NGL people need to practice getting into Massive enemy waves face all terminus in the game so far (Nurothrope, Carnifex, Hell Brute) im not adding the Hive tyrant, Hell drake, or Bio titan as im not sure the count as terminus because there end of operation bosses and all extremus in game as well (zurothrope, Lictor, ravener, lesser sorcerer, Rocket terminator, and sword terminator) and be comfortable fighting a mix of extremis and large waves or both an extremis and terminus in the same encounter in ruthless and as a rule of thumb before running lethal for an operation clear each operation at least a few times on ruthless to get comfortable with layout, item spawns, wave spawns as well as practicing good use of cover and getting good at mastering the perfect dodge mechanic and perfect parry mechanic! (UNLESS UR A LUNATIC AND WANT TO GET GOOD WITH BLOCKING MELE WEAPONS LIKE THIS MAD LAD ABOVE) ALSO it is LETHAL do what it takes to survive but when playing with a team of friends or even with Randoms understand there is a PROPER TRIAGE as to who gets stims first LEARN IT, KNOW IT, LOVE IT the order is as follows for stims! Player with mortal wounds First ALWAYS! its better to have three brothers and two then Lowest Health player next because there most likely to get downed, the following is assuming all players are at full contested health and full Armor Then in order would be Tactical, Sniper, Heavy, Assault, Vanguard, then Bulwark in that Order also with Lethal IT IS NOT A DIFFICULTY ISSUE IT IS A LACK OF SKILLS ISSUE DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO
9:00 you have no idea how funny it is that you brought up the hellbrute, I lost a ruthless run to one of those recently.
I have 3 level 25’s and I wouldn’t waste my time even trying lethal . You have to be aware of your own capabilities. I find ruthless hard enough , in a good team I don’t have much trouble , the problem I find is players speed running , no idea at all how to work as a team
Yeah, I maxed all my classes to 25 and have most of my weapons (and all of my top tier class weapons) to relic tier and I STILL haven't set foot in Lethal because I'm still dying on occasion in Ruthless. I've been playing SM2 since it came out in September and I still have stuff to learn before I'm comfortable enough to try Lethal. I honestly think Saber is making a huge mistake adding a new difficulty so soon after adding Lethal.
Hello battle brother. I agree 100 percent. It is the most frustrating thing in the game.
I think lethal is in a fine state been playing close to 3 weeks now and I have completed all lethal runs except obelisk (because there's no reward), I didn't play lethal untill i hit 25 and after playing the missions on 3 a bunch to remember latouts but I only played ruthless on the first 3 missions but not all players will have the skill/mindset (because i play a lot of solo) that i do because personally i think if you can beat ruthless you can beat lethal as well as if you can solo extremis and terminus enimies you'll be fine, good way to get used to bosses was to practice timings on 3 because if you loose a 3 it's less irritating for other if wiped but also you should be playing 3s solo with no downs if you are to jump from 3s to 5s
This is why I use bulwark healer for lethal …The only thing that actually grinds my gears is when I’m waiting for someone to pick up stim while said person has a death mark. I drop my banner perfectly after or right before they get to it so you can see you have your contested Health and crickets… they still have a death mark no stim used… wasted banner….. and then they full die 10 mins later.
Lethal with current perks and stuff is really balanced imo. I comfortably solo them a lot so I know it’s not impossible. I will say I love playing with new people especially if they’re struggling. Not only for the challenge, but people are able to practice more after being dead in first 3 minutes like you said
1:17 You can teleport on the battle barge? How?
Tab not sure on consoles
On ps5 it's the touch pad.
Preciate it y'all
Part of the issue is that you can’t have the same class and have to choose one that may not be ready. They need to remove the wall to play for having the same class. Gets old joining just to leave and try again.
I feel you with the newer lvl 25s not knowing what they're doing. Been leveling up my steam account (played console) and probably like 70% of the lethal games where I was lvling Tac, Van and Heavy from lvl 1, I was beating my teammates in damage. And surviving better than them too. Got the Survivor Helm while lvling my Tac so I surprisingly didn't get kicked once when joining lethal games under-levelled.
I’ve been playing the game since release and I’m just now ready to dabble into it and that’s after getting all weapon unlocks and mastery for all weapons for heavy and tac
personally as a casual player i always liked to play on average or substantial since i always prefer to just turn my brain off and enjoy the game without muhc of a hassle, i sometimes go to ruthless when im confident enough in my abilities to be of help to the team and most of the times it does go well, for lethal tho, unless i got close friends who i can do it with once we got enough experience in dealing with the diffeculty smooth as we can, i personally rather not get near it since it mostly can be both ways either teammates or me who can be the problem, for the former im kinda used having teammates who can be like that in other games i play and for the latter i can screw up as well and when it comes to lethel id prefer not getting in ppl's games and ruin thier runs (even premade ones too) since ik more or less how its like dealing with inexpereicned ppl and ik my flaws well to know what dif to pick and when.
I recently started getting back into lethal, I was usually chilling on substantial or ruthless but recently I thought why not get better at lethal and help others out since I already have everything and it's been a ton of fun.
I just did it last night but 100% experience all these problems during the process this weekend. If you need help still I can. I play PC to
Also, brother, check out my helbrute end carnifex take down guide on the subreddit. With a good bulwark on the team you just need to let them cook the helbrute alone and clear the mobs for them without causing aggro. The helbrute will never even get close to you. By the way the eclipse were taken on solo ruthless.
In my opinion the range damage is just too much. I can get through Lethal, but it doesn’t mean I enjoy being so squishy. For me, harder difficulty making all the enemies able to rip through you like wet paper, isn’t fun. I liked Lethal on Ghost of Tsushima cause yea, if you made a mistake you could die instantly. But you could do the same to the enemies except in duels. Variety of enemies, speed and variety of the attacks, amount of enemies. These are the things I think would be more fun then enemies can shred through you like you’re nothing. Even when I do beat the mission I didn’t really enjoy the mission if I’m being honest
On Lethal there are several area's that it is way better to not try to kill everything but to run, dodge, roll your way to the waypoint and thus on Lethal to do it properly the whole team must know the plan. Inferno is by the way one of those area's that you can just bypass large amounts of enemies by simply running around them.
I joined a quick match on ruthless and stayed with the group for the next match. Host switched it to lethal but I was ok with that. He and his friend were a premade but they still both went down in the first area. And I resurrected them with bulwark banner and then they went down again. I went down not long after. I don't even main bulwark
Most groups on lethal that fail, at least for me, are ones who don't work together as a team. Occasionally, you run into groups where things just go south cause of bad spawns getting overwhelmed or running into ammo droughts. I don't necessarily blame others for that, it just happens the nature of the difficulty. As a disabled gamer who only has one arm to use and plays with foot pedals to help accommodate, lethal is brutal, but very doable with a team that works together and I find that to be the defining factor most of the time as a sign of a group that's ready to this level of difficulty. I'm fairly new to the game and I'm working my way to clearing most operations lethal currently 5/8. With a solid group who understands the game I fit in pretty well with minimal hinderance to the group and in other ways I help elevate the group. I mostly main sniper btw and I hate those for rush through the map as I think it almost always results in a wipe no matter the difficulty.
The leap between ruthless and lethal is MASSIVE. I'm convinced a lot of these people haven't acclimated to it. Yesterday it took hours for me to find 2 Randoms competent enough to finish approximately 2 lethal missions. I don't have anyone to play with so i have to rely on randoms, unfortunately. I'm good enough to hold my own at lethal and finish missions, synergize as well as i can with random guys but it's so hard. I ran across so, so many guys between levels 1-15 and no they weren't wearing the busted helmet which at least would tell me they know what they're doing lol. It's so hard, man. Makes me not want to play but it's my day off and i know i will at some point. But playing for 3 hours to finish 1 lethal is just painful. Should i find guys i can actually play well with and finish a match they'll seldom add me back, if ever.
Just add me...Sulla_Stazi, or try it with all caps. I main Sniper, Tac and Heavy. I'm usually not the chatty type but yeah we can do runs if u up for it. I find myself in same boat as you, always queuing up with Randoms.
Wait what? New Dif coming out ?
Did Lethal when It came out, didn't find it that hard but didn't find a reason to go back to it after getting the skins.
I must have missed a patch note on lethal, I never see three extremis spawn at the same time anymore
People need to communicate. It is a team-based game and mode in PvE, and that communication needs to start at the battle barge up until the end of the match. At that difficulty level you need to coordinate with your team and optimize your loadouts. From there communication needs to continue when unexpected situations arise in the op.
I will again mention that I wish we could make custom difficulty presets where tou can change enemy health, wave frequency, extremis spawn frequency and some other things that I guess don’t come to mind rn. It’d be cool to have hordes as big as they are in lethal and ruthless, but have the enemies be about as tanky as they are in average or minimal.
I honestly do feel this. I already got my main stuff and all missions done on Lethal but I do que up Lethal and oh boy do I feel like I am solo carrying sometimes.
I’m level 25 and I’m still in substantial and I’m still getting murdered at times 😅
It usually takes me several runs to find good players when doing Inferno/Ballistic Engine/Termination on Lethal. Most die during the first engagement. So we are talking about the first minute in the game. When I notice my mates are not up to it then going out of the operation is the only smart move to make otherwise you will only waste time.
I’ve done and finished lethal with the boys when it came out we all got survivorhelm in week one of Lethal. we sometimes even say we want to be able to turn on the Stay close together thing then again when we played it we said that sniper or assault got nerfed heavily when they’re supposed be at the back line or ganking Venom Cannon boys. so uhh if you’re in australia and want some help with lethal i’ll join anyone who needs help
I enjoy helping other players obtain their helmets. Still, I only do as a vanguard to ensure my survival and prefer to play in straightforward operations like Inferno or Vox Liberatis.
I finished my 7 lethal missions like 3 days ago all with randoms as long as nobody brings assault it went smooth enough
In the movie Men in Black there is line "a person is smart, people are dumb."
People understand we should play ruthless if not ready, but if there is Lethal difficulty as the best content, THEY PLAY IT.
Group of ppl act more like amoeba.
I'm in the same boat as you. The amount of times I've run Lethal and gotten 2 randoms that have no business running the game at that difficulty is higher than the amout of times I've gotten a competent team. And it's always the types of players who die and then immediately ragequit the mission too. Like, its one thing to quit when the entire team is dead so you dont have to sit through multiple loading screens and can just go through one and re-queue faster, but ragequiting the second you die is absolutely not the mindset you should have going into Lethal, yet I see it more often than not.
I feel like a lot of people are under the impression that them not being good enough for Lethal is okay if they can get 2 good players to carry them, but that just leads to more teams where its 2 less competent players relying on one player to hard carry them which, is doable but such a pain for that one good player.
My general recommendation when it comes to Lethal is not to even CONSIDER it until you at LEAST have a full loadout of Relic weapons, and even then, you may want to hold off until you get a full perk setup for specific weapons. Lethal isn't a mode for leveling, it's the current end game content thats meant to be played when you're set and have a full build that you're comfortable with.
If you still need someone to help you out with getting through one more Lethal run for the helmet, I can help you out. I already got it, so I likely have more experience than the average random you'll find when attempting to solo queue.
Honestly, I have had good and bad matches on lethal - I know there’s someone that will come in and say “you just need to practice until you can solo lethal” from their basement, but I’m glad I have my helmet.
I’ll be honest some of those wins, I didn’t contribute as much as other ones.
I don’t have friends that i play with, so finding teammates that you get the right chemistry with is much more a challenge on lethal.
Lethal is just perfect (I have survivors helm btw). I agree with the other folks that being level 25 is not enough. I had a L25 assault, but knew nothing about the game and also had no interest in lethal and would always play on average until one day I matched with Randos and they took me to Lethal. I got brutalised but the bulwark kept me alive (That’s when I learnt about invigorating icon) soo many things happened in that operation. After that I worked my way up to lethal. It was here that I learnt the advanced mechanics of the game and how to effectively play with other classes.
I usually play a few games of ruthless with a random squad and if it goes well we play some lethal runs. If they can’t hang in ruthless obviously it’s not happening
Skipping ruthless is a good point, again that was an issue on Darktide, people seemed to play quite low difficulties till they max out then go to max. It's a bit odd. I think there is a mentality you're not playing it properly if you're not playing it on top level. spamming for engagement over one big reply :)
You should be able to deal with each terminus enemy
I'd agree with that
I might be able to play Tryanids at lethal because I'm not getting downed often with a good team. I defiantly cannot play against chaos on lethal difficulty.
I beat my last Lethal mission yesterday to unlock the Survivors helmet. The only reason I even managed was because I used the grande launcher for Tactical along with a bunch of perks specifically designed for that launcher.
The way I see it, if you can find a build that works for you, you’ll stand a good chance of surviving long enough to finish. I didn’t think I’d ever be able to even survive a few seconds in Lethal yet I managed to solo a hellbrute using Auspex and launcher grenades. I’m not trying to flex or anything, literally all I wanted was the sword, the helmet, and the knee pad emblems, I’m never playing Lethal again unless there’s a reward for doing it XD
I mean it is fun to scan three terminators and unload on them but my heart can’t take it anymore.
Honestly it really comes down to having a solid build, and good team coordination. I have never valued Bulwarks so highly until after I played Lethal. I salute all my battle brothers who have provided me a full set of health when I needed it.
Eww a noob tube fun killer made launcher user. You kill the fun for your teammates using the GL. The GL is widely considered as the “fun killer” weapon. Don’t be surprised when people join then leave when they see you running that weapon
@ I’ve literally not had a single person leave my game when they see me running this gun lol. Besides, I only really use when I wanna grind out armory data from the higher difficulties, plasma rifle is more my thing ^^
I managed to do 3 or 4 out of 7, really depends on your teammates, a decent team will stroll through
If you can't take on Zoanthropes and Helbrutes in Substantial or Ruthless, you're not ready for Lethal
I would rather they scale back the difficulty than getting another level after level beyond lethal. Actually I would still like to see adjustments to the difficulty levels once the new level gets added in.
I think the Minimal is fine, but I feel like the difficulty we have at Average should be moved up slightly more towards Substantial, and have Substantial move more towards Ruthless and similarly have Ruthless move slightly more towards Lethal.
Speaking of not being able proceed through the operation. Running through Fall of Atreus the other day and was stuck at the console room because the Tactical picked up a working battery but for whatever reason did not interact with the console. Just kinda stood there and waves kept spawning.
Had to wait for them to become incapacitated drop the fuel cell so I could pick it up and move on through the Operation. Fast forward to the final section… neither of my battle brothers were helping with the objective at all. I had to escort the fuel cell AND run back to switch the tracks.
I think Lethal should be locked behind a challenge. The challenge should be get a class to lvl25 AND have completed the mission on Ruthless without going down/dying. Maybe do the second part 3 times that way there's a greater chance the player fought most if not all of the Terminus enemies.
I would love to play with you. I've got two level 25 classes and working on a third. Hopefully I can stand up to Lethal.
In retrospective, I just realized Ruthless is still kicking my rear 5 out of 6 times. Um... never mind. I'm not ready for the big leagues yet.
I had someone yesterday see me wearing the survivor helmet and changed the difficulty up to lethal on me, luckily I was playing bulwark so I was able to get us through it but man, it was not a smooth run lol
Okay I've cleared the Tyranid ops on lethal with randoms but I'm still working on the chaos ops. For me the most frustrating things have been pressing parry and nothing happens (it's a bug apparently...) or having six spore mines spawn on my head. With Chaos ops my main issue is oh my entire squads dead and I'm not good enough to carry hahahahaha.
Since I can only play coop with Randoms, it's Substantial is hard AF. To play anything harder, you really need to be able to talk to your team. Strategize, planning who gets ammo, health, what your roles are.
Here lately substantial in some. Instances can be harder if you get a shit instance.
The mobs can get ridiculous. Ever since the last update the difficulty levels have been kind of fucked lately
The sweatlords demand higher difficulties not for a challenge, no, they simply want something to gatekeep
For the new difficulty, operations should be locked until you Beat them on lethal. That would make your odds of finding competent teammates better.
you feel like this because you depend too much on teammates. Just hold your own, if they are bad they will leave, others will join. Lethal feels great right now.
I mean I don't know I am a souls player so maybe it's different for me but I was able to do all the tyranid missions solo. I only needed the team for chaos because chaos is guns were just everywhere The flamers would kill the bots so fast.
I only play on ruthless, I still need to do missions 4 and 5 on lethal to get the helmet. I've given up trying with randoms
Lots of people do not even know how to parry I like Lethal I have finished all ops on xbox and all of my marines are 25 and my sniper is at 24 and I have helped alot of people get lethals done
I’ve personally never ran into issues finding people who are ready for lethal, that does sound very annoying though
Do wish there were some cooler cosmetic rewards like full sets of armor and more than just one weapon skin tho
To answer the title: it is now that my all six of my level 25 classes are now level 1 and I have no perks thanks to a random bug
Its hard... but but I don't think its too hard for most players. The issue is you need a good group who are optomised and work well together... If you are not talking to each other and communicating, yeah its probably too hard for normies without a group. I finished all of them with my mates. We were on discord, and we tried various setups to get the most out of our group. Once we had our roles down pat we found them to be very doable... Our group was a Tactical with G/Launcher, Bulwalk for healing and a vanguard for self healing and dps. Bulwark got priorities on stims and relics to keep the party alive as the 'healer'. We communicated when we needed health and a banner with an execute to keep the party mostly topped off with health. If someone died we made sure they got stims and a heal to get rid of the mortal wound.
Im in a discord group so i never have this problem but what you might be running into is people who are wanting to unlock the helmet and sword skin for lethal and there just hoping there team mates can carry them
I had a guy saying the heal of extremis perk for vanguard was the best perk in the game. And I should just 'get good at melee' when I told him he has the worst perk in the game on when he could have had the one of the best perks in the game on instead. 😅
I’ve completed 4 ops on lethal with a friend and a random. Attempting them solo is an absolute cr@p shoot
I used to play nothing but lethal difficulty after attaining my survivor's helmet, I thought to myself anything less was lowering my play, but then lethal just got worse and worse and worse with the AI directors going out of control even post 5.1 patch, chaos is absolutely ridiculous with never-ending spawns, the same goals for the tyranids even though they're a lot more fun to play, I feel like the simplest and most obvious fix to this is just to give us more ammo, like that's it, have much more frequent ammo crates for everyone and that would solve like all the problems because a lot of times you clear a lot of ads only for Morse Horus to come and you're left with empty magazines I left lethal and I'm playing exclusively ruthless now just to enjoy the game and not have a sweat fest LOL 0:41 1:22
You are right, if they are walking in the Battle Barge, clearly they don’t have enough experience to play Lethal. You don’t need have a Lvl 25 to play that difficulty but you need to be competent enough to dodge/block/parry at least 95% of incoming attacks and relying on being carried by someone. Unfortunately there far too many players that have been carried by others and then they are under the delusion that they are good enough because of their Class being level 25 but they need to understand that THEY HAVE NOT EARNED IT
I think a lot of the issues stems from the game telling people which level they should play.
I'm at a point where ruthless feels too easy and lethal feels a bit too unforgiving some times. I believe that the enemies have too much health. Terminators requiere an obscene ammount of headshots with the sniper to go down, things like that take me off a bit. It feels ok if in the party you have a bulwark and a tactical. I don't know, in my opinion a bit of touch-up here and there would be great.
I’m in a server group on discord that helps people learn how to play the game and understand how it’s played. We have a good time and share our knowledge with each other.
I can't even finish Ruthless so I will probably never be able to completely upgrade my weapons.
Invite me ill help u get the yellow armory data im fully maxed
Lucky to finish 1 out of every 5 ruthless runs with randoms. Don't see a point in stepping it up to Lethal. How about sorting out how to add friends list and class matchmaking first before New levels.
@@aki2662what's your gamer name ? I've completed every operation on substantial and have every weapon at 17000 XP. I'm ready to start trying for yellow armoury to upgrade to relic.Can I invite you?
I've completed 100s of lethal runs it all I play. I enjoy it when I get noobs on my team. It's almost like playing a higher difficulty.
@@jcpassafist what's your player name so I can invite? I've got all weapons at 17000 and need to get my first yellow armoury and then some to start upgrading? Please don't be another that just claims they own lethal and actually help someone beat it to? I'm playing in 40 minutes.🙏
I find this kinda funny because I’m kinda new to Space Marine 2 (played campaign at launch but not ops until the past few weeks) and my first substantial run went horribly when I was around lvl 15 on bukwark. From that point instead of contstantky attempting it I levelled up bulwark as well as tactical and vanguard and then ran it back at lvl 25 for a fairly easy completion. How are newer people failing an op and then deciding the best action is to try and try again. Definition of insanity.
Yes it is to hard for most players but it's not for most players it for more hard core players. I have noticed how ever the contested health going too fast problem is mainly down 2, the fact that all weapons do not do enough damage to get help back quick enough before it's gone
I down for a sesh with others who exclusively play Lethal!
Bro straight up people like this make me wanna hop in chat like “Just cuz you stopped doing anything doesnt mean the damn game did!!!”
I be having the same problem with people on ruthless 😂
Enjoy the chaos 😅
Before playing Lethal, there's only 1 rule: expect the unexpected
Me soloing Lethal with my lvl 8 Heavy while watching this video 😏
That being said, lvl 25 have nothing with skill or knowledge of the game. I get many people that cant even parry/block properly when they play on lethal even tho they are lvl25. Too many people not knowing how to stay alive without stims and perma execute (ks etc). Im still really excited about the new difficulty tho since i have nothing else to do.
got the helmet while tight fomration was a thing didnt played for a while "thinking" yeah now more player are able 2 play lethal... no not the case
That's me. I'm the random player.😂 I just got my first lvl 25- bulwark, so I jumped on lethal (Yes I cleared all ruthless) and we died in the promethium plant in inferno. Fought at least 14 extremis and a neurothrope. I clear hellbrutes and carnefaxes easy, but I'd never seen 2 extremis at a time. 💀
And i found out about teleporting last week frfr
4 of my classes are level 25, I'm pretty good at ruthless, but every time I try lethal, I get destroyed.
The problem is they didn't even balanced the game yet, your build are so limited in lethal, well, in chaos operation I would say. They really need to buff lots of weapon first.
I'm sure you'll catch a few strays for this one, it's impossible to post something like this without sounding like a prick. And that is valid, you DO sound like that, but I also agree. I'm brand new to this game but played a lot of Vermintide and Darktide and it has a similar problem, you get to a point where your team is full of people who are used to SPRINTING ahead and trying to kill everything because that is what they have always done and just run off and dies.
The Sniper thing turned me, that's exactly what happens in those other games too. All Coop games I find I struggle with people running ahead and not taking their time and exploring, especially in this game where taking your time is REALLY important, people run off.
Like I say I'm new and looking forward to a difficulty where you fail most of the time, super hard, but it is frustrating when you lose runs because people keep getting you dead.
I think latency gets some people. The game generally adjudicates lag in favor of the player, but meleeing is still a bad idea if you find yourself stuttering.
For everyone else…low level players looking for a carry is a consequence of PvE and being able to make matches fast.
Voice helps a lot. “If you don’t have legendary gear yet, try to stay close to me” does wonders for player behavior. Otherwise, you’re left with no quick match - host your own games and kick.
Man, I hate speed runners. It sounds like that's what he was doing. Many of these brothers are just too unfamiliar with the mechanics to be taking on the more challenging difficulties.
Have faith @Yeertski, there are veteran brothers out here that can and will stand strong against the xenos and heretic scum with you! The Emperor protects.
I play pretty much only lethal, i do see alot of people that are low level, greedy for executions and equipment and bad. I can hard carry through any op at this point until i get griefed during fights. Im a solo player and i do love to help others through lethal ops, i find it fun to carry usually so it doesn’t bother me too much.
Tbh if you maxed out your builds correctly, lethal can become quite casual to play, especially the Tyranid operations. Even more so when your teammates have the same level of experience and play their roles as intended by the devs.
The problem right now is that there seem to be way more random spores than before that can just delete your run out of nowhere from an unpredictable angle.
+ there’s a crazy amount of inexperienced players flooding lethal at the moment and it’s just not fun to be last brother standing 5 times per game.
Everyone should play what they’re comfortable with, and show a little bit of consideration for their teammates before just jumping into lethal with lvl 18 and an artificer build. There’s no shame in playing lower difficulty, but there is in ruining the game for others.
I carried a level 12 and 15 through lethal with my bullwork😂
I haven’t tried lethal yet cause I know I’m not good enough, almost 200 hours in the game and I can hardly play ruthless. My reaction times are not good enough. I could maybe learn but I don’t find much enjoyment In the process when I die so much on ruthless. Maybe if I was coached or something but meh. Although substantial is slowly getting too easy unless my team is just bad and leave you to die a lot. Also I’m in the process of getting all classes to 25 even if I don’t like them because I don’t like joining without a leveled character so I’m probably comprising my play swapping around too much but once they’re all 25 I’m gonna play only ruthless.
Eventually you will get a hang of the timing and find what class works best for you at higher difficulties. Sniper is excellent at creating space and Heavy can use the Melta which allows insane mob clearing so you won't need much reaction timing. If using Heavy, try Bonds of Brotherhood. It is a team perk that heals your teammates on revives, it goes a long way.
@ I’ll have to try the melta weapons more, I’m a bolt weapon fan though. Love my Dakka guns too much.
Am i ready for lethal? no. Have i played ruthless? yes. Am i going to give it my all? yes
Do i expect to survive? no
Most of the randoms ive found will lose a ton of health every encounter its frustrating af lol