I came to say this ☝️, though I'm thinking maybe 1x 2.5gig to my Aruba AP, and one to an unmanaged switch with both 2.5gig and 1gig for wired, then the 1gig for WAN. From the spec page, the 1gig is native to the SoC, and like he said pcie for the 2.5gig nics. They have a WRT build on their site and everything :-)
I was so excited when I started the video, but just 2 minutes in I'm questioning finishing. No wifi/BT. NO internal mass storage connector. Only 2 USB ports. This really is going to be best used as a network bridge / router. Not a daily use PC. They simply gave too much up for the additional network ports.
There are non-S variants of this chipset that may suit you better. Now it's early days of this soc and availability and price are all over the place. So same performance just different i/o.
it has internal eMMC. On the odroid I am now typing on my internal non volatile memory is a lot faster then on my i9 desktop PC. 128GB eMMC and an external hard drive, you are gold. Don't forget SD cards with 100Mb/s throughput are not exactly a slouch either.
Considering today's Raspberry Pi prices (even second hand), this seems like good value by comparisson. Like others on here, I also get the impression this would make for a nice router, even though for that task, the SoC is kind of overkill. Still, OpenWRT would be a great fit for this board.
Get up two, one as a dedicated firewall, one as a dedicated router, using the 2.5G ports, use the 1G ports either as management ports or for two Honeypot machines using the cheapest SBC's with included wired NICs
Raspberry Pi prices are the same as they ever were. Raspberry Pi and their approved resellers have not increased the price, except for a change to the 2GB pi 4, but the entry level price was taken by the 1GB.
Yes this would make a really good router indeed! I actually don't think it's overkill at all. Apart from routing it cloud also act as a PiHole/Aguard-Server and some light SMB
Seems like a good deal. The thing with the cost of the raspberry pi, is you have to add on the cost of a case, SD card, possibly power supply. So if all you want is emulation this is possibly better value.
I‘d be interested in its performance as a router - but this is certainly a very neat board for emulation and as a Shield user I‘m a little envious. Only a tiny little bit.
Definitely looks like yet another "next project" for me. I'd love to see *anyone* playing Psychonauts using a PS2 emulator. None of them seem to want to play it. And as always, I'm going to suggest Slackware. Hopefully you see this suggestion.
I had to check this review out as I didn't even think about using it that way. I picked one up as a router to load PFsense on like 2 weeks ago. Pretty cool sbc
yea prices are stupid ,I scored a litely used ryzen 7 laptop for $125 so consider your options and needs before clicking that button . Thanks for the video !
Definitely interested in seeing Debian running on this board. In fact, the 3588 and 3599 seems pretty good, so I'm thinking of waiting a bit for prices to drop on these boards, then getting one. My trusty Pi4 is getting a bit old and there's no successor in sight (not that we'd get a heads up anyway)
A really important question is: which sbc has the largest community?? NANO PI/KAHDAS/ORANGE PI (Raspberry excluded). Raspberry favors sales to industries rather than to peaple and they are late on the market for new products. (Maybe because of broadcomm lagging behind its rockchip competitor). In any case I think part of the raspberry community will migrate to another sbc...but which one?
The community surrounding the fabulous Rpi4 is huge and capable. Salute to all involved with that endeavor. Since 2019 I’ve purchased 5 single board computers. Rpi4, Khadas vim3 pro, Khadas vim4, Radxa Rock5b and Nano Pi r6s. Kinda early in life cycle for Radxa and Friendlyelec so I’m not trying to cast aspersions on them at all but at this stage of being out compared to Raspberry Pi 4 it’s no comparison at all. The community around the Rpi4 is incredible.
I'd like to see how this device's/chip's performance would compare to an intel mini pc used as a dedicated router. Then combined with a switch and wireless access point for home internet.
Yeah I just pre-ordered the opi 5 8gb with a PSU and it came out at 130$ CAD including shipping. Plus it's got a 2242 nvme slot. Can't wait to mess with it.
Do you have any suggestions for controllers to use for Android TV etc that aren't joypads? I have just tried out Android TV using a keyboard and mouse and it was less than ideal, it only really improved when I plugged in the controller from my Vero 4K+ Kodi box.
pfSense, OPNsense, or at least some WireGuard setup (use as a firewall). How many watts does it draw when maxing out the throughput on all three NICs/at idle?
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A comprehensive comparison between all the different Rockhip RK3588/RK3588S SBCs that have been released in the past year 👍🏻
Just FYI….the Beelink N5095 is on Amazon for the same price as this at the moment ($159-$20 coupon). This unit is $119+case($20)+power adapter($10) or $149. Just in case people want Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and don’t care so much for the dual 2.5 Ethernet and router angle.
These two gigabit ethernet ports connect to the RK3588S PCIe pins (via the ethernet bridge/controller RLT8125BG if I remember correctly). Those who have a good soldering skill can easily desoldering these ports and make some other useful stuff than dual ethernet.
The lack of USB ports and WIFI is a BIG minus. You have to use one of the ports for keyboard/mouse. Then, if you want WIFI, you have to use the other. That leaves none for anything else. You would certainly have to have a hub. But the system would make a great router. Having the multiple LAN ports means it is perfect for OpenWRT or a similar platform.
Nice video bro let me ask you when you buy this does it come preinstalled with android TV 12 and what is the name of the dongle you bought for the wireless capability?
Finally a RK3588 with 8GB RAM that touches the price of the most affordable days of RK3399. I'll wait a little longer for more options. Really I just need a box powerful enough to play PS2 (PS3 won't hurt but not a must) and heavy Android games.
@@-r-495 somebody might want to run some AI benchmarks there, for whatever reason. Unless you're working in AI related fields and need something small and portable for showcases, such as in an event or something, the NPU may stay sleeping all the time. I won't be surprised if there are folks trying to replicate Nvidia DLSS / AMD FSR for Mali GPU.
Thanks for posting your great intro to this SBC! You mentioned the powerful GPU. I would love to know if OpenCV, in Python3, on Debian...can take advantage of that GPU. (I know you have a passion for gaming. But my focus is OpenCV/Python programming for graphics/video processing and Machine Learning. It would be great to know if the power of this SBC's CPU--and especially its GPU--would make OpenCV/Python programs faster in Debian!) Thanks!
Would be good to see how Ubuntu performs on it. Also, is it possible to install Fedora or does it have to use a version of Linux created by the manufacturer?
Cool video . I ordered one a week ago. I really wish ETAPrime would have named the wifi BT dongle he used. I also have the Rock5b the dongle I have from Amazon doesn’t work on that marvelous looking but as of right now software installation impaired board
Unfortunately due to lack of USB ports and Wifi&bluetooth, this SBC is more suitable for NAS and routing purposes than a computer, imo they should’ve replaced 3 Ethernet ports with only one 2.5Gig Ethernet port and given it 2 more USBs (maybe type C?), another display port and added hardware for wifi and Bluetooth , it would have been a great alternative for all the purposes where RasPi fits in atm
1 ethernet is a deal breaker for any small form factor pc for me, I think 2 should be the standard so they can be used as router/firewall, usb is easy to expand with a hub. Lack of wifi really shows it's not meant for general purpose though.
@@Geardos1 yes, I agree that one Ethernet is not enough for router/firewall, but one Ethernet port is more than enough for a SBC PC, imo this SBC is designed for the former purposes than the later
So this would actually work well as a livestreaming deck or whatever they're calling it. You could output 4k video to a 4k capture card and have the video encoded on the r6s & stream to twitch or YT
Thanks for the excellent review and commentary. I am running a NaniPi R4s with OpenWRT as a router which has worked well, but is at the limits when doing SQM QoS on a Gigabit fiber internet connection because SQM QoS is very CPU intensive. I've ordered a NonoPi R6s and and think that it will be a terrific OpenWRT platform. While awaiting it's arrival I will be very interested any feedback and results of testing OpenWRT.
I have an R4S and it can do 850mbit download speeds with SQM set for zero bufferbloat. I considered getting the R6S just for the 2.5gbit connections but I am sticking with the R4S untill my ISP offers faster speeds.
Can you please tell me which USB wifi+Bluetooth adapter you used? Model number if you can. I've tried two that I have and none of them worked. Love you're videos 😃
I just ordered the OP 800 as well. I wanted something to play around with Android OS. Now I am worried that the developer is going to abandon this port.
@@wildzeke For the past week I've tinkering around with the stock Orange Pi OS. I wish I can overclock the thing to make it perform better but at least I can run Godot and UE4 games.
Well it arrived a couple of days ago, about 40 days from China, not bad considering the postage issues we are having in the UK right now and the increase in general postage for Christmas. First thoughts - no instructions in the box and zero software installed, so off to the wiki pages. Got Ubuntu onto a card and ran that, and it worked fast, but that appeared to be a totally empty version of the OS, so nothing else was on there. But that's now on a card for future messing with, off to Android 12 TV. So Android TV, the wiki information supplied is bad, which is not helped by the fact that the software you install from the non-Chinese area of the site also defaults to Chinese, but we muddle through and find a config file to change the language, which could have been done with a couple of flags on the damn software (but hey, this is linux style PC'ing WE TELL YOU NOTHING). But finally, thanks to a post on the forum from about a month ago (the most recent post on that area of the forums, which are otherwise virtually dead). Android TV, so considering this is a version ported to an SBC I am sure it'll work nicely with a plugged in mouse/keyboard, or at least be consistent, yea right! I found Android TV to be a pain to use, I can use the cursor keys to move around (normally), and I can type words into the search box (but sometimes the system will assume that my pressing enter means that I now want to add a 'q' to the end of my typed words rather than submit them, because that is what is highlighted in the virtual keyboard which I cannot seem to stop appearing when I have to enter text). Not sure how to get started on the side loading part of things, might be a good one for a future video, also maybe a video on controllers that work correctly with these systems that are not full joypads?
Could you kindly share the specific dongle you used. Since it’s a hit or miss I would like to at least try the one you used. Thanks for your content ETA. 👍🏼✌🏻
You need to step.up the testing: add comparision with other boards, shield, etc, test more streaming apps not only UA-cam. Most of us dont game on Android SBCs. Thanks
But this all means nothing if the shape/connections are different and can't fit inside a PiBoy or other purpose built devices... ...so great power... but can I put it in a device that a Rasberry Pi would work in??? Cause if not...
You also gotta look at the cost of getting a case and cooling for the pi 4 when comparing prices. What passive cooling case can you get for a pi 4 that is good and cheap. The only thing that this doesn’t have that the pi does is a ton of community support. Basically for the same price or less of a pi, you can get a ton more performance and with that 2.5 gig, setting up multiple 4K video streams with a home nas wouldn’t be super difficult
does any FreeBSD releases such as PFsense/OPNsense run on this board yet? Would be interested in seeing the performance for this in a firewall setting.
Look at the Website. All OS are on it. And No, PFsense/OPNsense are only x86 OS. For this is only a openWRT Fork available. so you Got a Router but not a Firewall OS.
So many different boards coming with this chip at the same time. Just received my rock5b preordered 100$ (120€ all included) based on RK3588 which offers more IOs than this 's' version. For sure at this price, perfectly replacing RPi4. Can't wait to have better linux support with more distributions and full graphics acceleration. I think, possibilities may be limited though until linux get a rosetta like emulator as Mac did for the M1, so that we can also run linux steam games on this chip
@@scottnoble5022 same, gonna move to arch though. I find linux support still lacking even if getting better (having PD boot and hdmi/usb-c video random issues ...). Plus graphics are not fully taking advantage of the board yet.
So using it as an android TV what are the options for a TV controller ? Do you just buy that wifi/Bluetooth dongle and have a Bluetooth controller always connected to it ? Also not being able to stream Netflix/UA-cam in 4k is a deal breaker for me unfortunately.
@@hamidmosalla1094 wifi/BT not in the Android build yet (Soon!) Ubuntu/Debian only currently. I just shared my desktop WIFI/internet and used an RJ45 cable for now.
Looks like a great deal. I would love this form factor but with a little bit of power to run F zero at full speed for instance. As it is, I keep mi Nvidia Shield.
Don't ever ask us if we want to see how any device working on Linux OS :) . YES we Always want to know how any devices work with Linux OS, how youtube plays and if there any fps drops, How snap is the distro, and rest. We Always want to know :)
Do they support it well? I never could get UART working on my NanoPi Neo and the best support suggestion was to add a USB device to run UART instead of figuring out why the two UART interfaces on the board don't work out of the box or with their config program.
my 1 nanopi m4 has been reliable, its outlasted 3 raspberry pi 4, i which i sold recently for nearly the price i bought them for, i will use that broken raspberry pi money and buy met this new device, which is now done. i will use it for simple stuff linux youtube plex kodi, maybe some gaming, but x86 usually does it better, crisp drivers (old titles pixels are more correctly placed) from amd intel and nvidia.
Yes definitely try Linux on it. Also when you're running Android on this, does it have all those annoying ads like the Nvidia shield got which wasn't originally on the system?
Bought one for emulating with android as the OS. Also bought two separate wifi/bluetooth dongles that android would not recognize. Mr. Prime: I know a few others asked....can you please share exactly which wifi/bluetooth dongle you used in the video? I would love to use this thing but it won't see my bt controller otherwise. HELP!
I would love to see this running the latest Ubuntu Budgie or Fedora. I know it will run Fedora flawlessly but I'm interested to see Ubuntu. You can get Zorin and it's codex ready Ubuntu Budgie if I'm not mistaken.
I would love to see Ubuntu desktop and something like Ubuntu core running Docker if possible. The dual 2.5G port nature of this device screams router/firewall to me. But home server will do.
No links allowed because that hurts ETA Prime's business model. Off course he wants you to click the affillliate links. He doesn;t show links to other shops who don't do clickmoney :even if he reviews the products D But hey google is easy. BTW I see the 4gb version on Ali for about 75 ... the 8 Gb version is about 90 ? But anyway prices are coming down fast because the parts on it aren't that much more expensive than a Pi is and for 200 euros you can buy a 4600G + mainboard + 8 Gb which is more powerfull and flexible.
@@erikkarsies4851 Yeah. The price also went up to 90 euros after I set up one of the EU countries as the delivery destination. I tried it after I wrote this comment.
Are these more powerful than x86 boards, like the odroid h3? Otherwise I don't understand the appeal. X86 much better compatibility than anything RISC based, I think. I mean RPI has very good Dev support because there are so many, and it's become a kind of standard, but that Dev support is nothing compared to what you get with x86. I could be mistaken, but I don't think that any os build made for RPI will work for this. And when the manufacturer quits supporting this chip, it'll probably die. You never have to worry about that on x86.
They're fairly close in power, at least on the CPU side. The multi-core looks to be higher on this. I think with something like this, if someone has a specific application in mind, then these ARM boards are worth considering. Many have mentioned this could be good for a DIY router. There's also a bunch of other things. For stuff like that, future support may not matter as much. Plus, the lower power draw might be more appealing, in addition to potential cost savings. You are right that x86 provides more versatility and future proofing. It's often a better choice, especially for general computing.
@@ravagingwolverine good points, but I'd argue that x86 is even a better choice when building a router. For example opensense will just work on a modern x86 machine. I think that builds exist for RPI, and they may even exist for these processors (for now). But one of the most important considerations for a router is updating. If you can't update because a manufacturer stopped supporting a product, then its effectively useless. Not an issue with x86. I actually *want* some RISC system to supplant x86, but I don't think that can happen until we get the kind of standardization we get with x86. I don't know why we don't have that in ARM or other RISC platforms. Maybe it's all due to intellectual property related problems. If that's the case, I hope that RISC-V explodes. I won't hold my breath though.
I moved away from these sorts of devices because they just can't handle what I want to do. At first they were cool little things that could retro-game but then HoloISO came out, and the steamdeck prior, and none of these things do as much as my little computer I picked up. I got one of those Dell 9010's, put a radeon card in it, and dropped an 8tb drive with an i7 processor upgrade. It's a little beast for retro gaming and modern games. Now i just need to sell my raspberry pi 4 8gb, case and such, or keep it, dunno which.
Orange Pi 5 is also RK3588S and is currently up for pre-order at $70usd. That even has an M2 pcie connector.
Khadas Edge 2 is overpriced lmao
Odroid H3 is $154 for the board. It has an Intel Celeron 6005. You really can't compare the Pi, any Pi.
@@RealMTBAddict The H3 would be my choice if I was in the market.
I am looking at this with two 2.35gbps ports as a potential firewall router.
it has no wifi or bt either stupid missing these as i want it for retropie.
This looks like a fantastic router. A 3 port config is really nice for adding a failover line to your home network for emergencies.
I came to say this ☝️, though I'm thinking maybe 1x 2.5gig to my Aruba AP, and one to an unmanaged switch with both 2.5gig and 1gig for wired, then the 1gig for WAN. From the spec page, the 1gig is native to the SoC, and like he said pcie for the 2.5gig nics. They have a WRT build on their site and everything :-)
That was my first thought too! A router leading to network switches and access points.
I think that the SoC was chosen to handle 2.5 Gb internet routing, as the "R" line of NanoPi seems to be geared towards routing usage.
Please review this as a daily driver. Just casual web browsing in Debian / Ubuntu and measure power consumption. Would be really interesting!
I was so excited when I started the video, but just 2 minutes in I'm questioning finishing. No wifi/BT. NO internal mass storage connector. Only 2 USB ports. This really is going to be best used as a network bridge / router. Not a daily use PC. They simply gave too much up for the additional network ports.
There are non-S variants of this chipset that may suit you better. Now it's early days of this soc and availability and price are all over the place. So same performance just different i/o.
Considering one of the Ethernet ports is labeled wan I’m thinking this is intended for use as a pfsense or opnsense router
@@lunarx3dfx As far as I know, pfsense is for x64 architecture
@@mrwhiteslon Correct. Which is a bummer.
it has internal eMMC. On the odroid I am now typing on my internal non volatile memory is a lot faster then on my i9 desktop PC.
128GB eMMC and an external hard drive, you are gold. Don't forget SD cards with 100Mb/s throughput are not exactly a slouch either.
Considering today's Raspberry Pi prices (even second hand), this seems like good value by comparisson. Like others on here, I also get the impression this would make for a nice router, even though for that task, the SoC is kind of overkill. Still, OpenWRT would be a great fit for this board.
They have a fork off OpenWRT for this board already FriendlyWRT.
Get up two, one as a dedicated firewall, one as a dedicated router, using the 2.5G ports, use the 1G ports either as management ports or for two Honeypot machines using the cheapest SBC's with included wired NICs
Raspberry Pi prices are the same as they ever were. Raspberry Pi and their approved resellers have not increased the price, except for a change to the 2GB pi 4, but the entry level price was taken by the 1GB.
Yes this would make a really good router indeed! I actually don't think it's overkill at all. Apart from routing it cloud also act as a PiHole/Aguard-Server and some light SMB
Yes, I'd like to see this running Debian and maybe something like a pihole type setup too.
Always love your content eta. Keep up the great work.
Seems like a good deal. The thing with the cost of the raspberry pi, is you have to add on the cost of a case, SD card, possibly power supply. So if all you want is emulation this is possibly better value.
The only thing missing with this is just the usb c cable which the rpi also does not include in the base price.
This is $119 for only the board. The case in this video is an extra $20 so it's really $140 if you want the one in this video.
Didn't realize that, nice catch.
I would love to see a test with Debian
I‘d be interested in its performance as a router - but this is certainly a very neat board for emulation and as a Shield user I‘m a little envious. Only a tiny little bit.
Definitely looks like yet another "next project" for me. I'd love to see *anyone* playing Psychonauts using a PS2 emulator. None of them seem to want to play it. And as always, I'm going to suggest Slackware. Hopefully you see this suggestion.
Would love to see an Ubuntu review - especially if this thing can run 4k Video w/o App restriction from UA-cam and Netflix.
Yes, please review any variant of Linux on this SBC. Thank You!
Awesome review as usual, I’m new the SBC community. I would love to see the Nanopi R6s running Batocera.
Sounds like a great project
I had to check this review out as I didn't even think about using it that way. I picked one up as a router to load PFsense on like 2 weeks ago. Pretty cool sbc
I have just ordered one of these for that job, was going to use either PFsense or the Friendly version of OpenWRT.
Thank you for you review! I think pi4 is more for a homelab and this is more of a media oriented device
Thanks for the review ETA! Kratos dancing had me in stitches.
yea prices are stupid ,I scored a litely used ryzen 7 laptop for $125 so consider your options and needs before clicking that button . Thanks for the video !
Definitely interested in seeing Debian running on this board. In fact, the 3588 and 3599 seems pretty good, so I'm thinking of waiting a bit for prices to drop on these boards, then getting one. My trusty Pi4 is getting a bit old and there's no successor in sight (not that we'd get a heads up anyway)
A really important question is: which sbc has the largest community?? NANO PI/KAHDAS/ORANGE PI (Raspberry excluded). Raspberry favors sales to industries rather than to peaple and they are late on the market for new products. (Maybe because of broadcomm lagging behind its rockchip competitor). In any case I think part of the raspberry community will migrate to another sbc...but which one?
The community surrounding the fabulous Rpi4 is huge and capable. Salute to all involved with that endeavor. Since 2019 I’ve purchased 5 single board computers. Rpi4, Khadas vim3 pro, Khadas vim4, Radxa Rock5b and Nano Pi r6s. Kinda early in life cycle for Radxa and Friendlyelec so I’m not trying to cast aspersions on them at all but at this stage of being out compared to Raspberry Pi 4 it’s no comparison at all. The community around the Rpi4 is incredible.
I'd like to see how this device's/chip's performance would compare to an intel mini pc used as a dedicated router. Then combined with a switch and wireless access point for home internet.
Please, review Ubutnu on this SBC. Thank You!
Looks very promising and the price is really good too.
A regular Android 12 SD to EMMC image is now available from FriendlyElec. I'll be trying it soon. I wasn't thrilled with Android TV.
I turned on my nano pi r6s and I can’t figure out how to get into android? I’m stuck .
Nice to see RK3588S boards getting cheaper. In a year a bit simpler ones will be around 75 dollars... just like the Pi4 8 Gb that you mentioned was.
The orange pi 5 8gb is on presale for around 75$. Comes with an RK3588s
@@naylo44 I've checked Ali Express and that's the 4gb version for 75 dollar... the 8gb version is 90 dollar.
@@erikkarsies4851 I see 8GB for $75, the 4GB is $60
@@6alileo Ah excluding taxes probably.
Yeah I just pre-ordered the opi 5 8gb with a PSU and it came out at 130$ CAD including shipping. Plus it's got a 2242 nvme slot. Can't wait to mess with it.
Love the idea of this as a router. May try to grab one once they start popping up at other places
Yeah I was thinking the same. I'm about to order it and install pfsense
@@NagiSOL that’s probably a no go since it’s ARM, but apparently you can run a fork of openwrt on it
R6s is great, and most of users in Mainland China use R6s as Opwenwrt router to run Shadowscokes or clash to overrun the great firewall.
It would be awesome if you could test it as firewall using pfsense or something :).
with all the 2.5Gbps network ports, i would love to see it tested a router connected to a wifi access point
Would make a great little Batocera box if it’s supported
Oh my that would make such a great little router! I'd love to see the performance under Linux! Especially some iperf3 tests between the 2 2.5G Ports
check out a channel called "Van Tech Corner" He did just that recently
@@jfltech great channel been watching him for some time now, but didn't see that yet. That's for reminding me!
Time splitters is an underrated classic
What do you want to see tested next?
Would love to see an Emuelec Image running on this board. Set up and game play tutorial. Great video as always brother. Keep up the awesome work.
Android using Flycast Standalone with Naomi2 games please.
Do you have any suggestions for controllers to use for Android TV etc that aren't joypads?
I have just tried out Android TV using a keyboard and mouse and it was less than ideal, it only really improved when I plugged in the controller from my Vero 4K+ Kodi box.
pfSense, OPNsense, or at least some WireGuard setup (use as a firewall). How many watts does it draw when maxing out the throughput on all three NICs/at idle?
A comprehensive comparison between all the different Rockhip RK3588/RK3588S SBCs that have been released in the past year 👍🏻
This model has had some issues passing traffic at wire speed on the 2.5Gbe ports.
Good to know the case keeps it cool! Wasn't clear on their website
I would like to see a video using this as a router. Curious what you would recommend for wifi.
Just FYI….the Beelink N5095 is on Amazon for the same price as this at the moment ($159-$20 coupon). This unit is $119+case($20)+power adapter($10) or $149. Just in case people want Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and don’t care so much for the dual 2.5 Ethernet and router angle.
Hey eta. There are many pcb alternative there. But which do you recommend me to buy ?
These two gigabit ethernet ports connect to the RK3588S PCIe pins (via the ethernet bridge/controller RLT8125BG if I remember correctly). Those who have a good soldering skill can easily desoldering these ports and make some other useful stuff than dual ethernet.
The lack of USB ports and WIFI is a BIG minus. You have to use one of the ports for keyboard/mouse. Then, if you want WIFI, you have to use the other. That leaves none for anything else. You would certainly have to have a hub. But the system would make a great router. Having the multiple LAN ports means it is perfect for OpenWRT or a similar platform.
Nice SBC 👍 Thank you, Prime.
Am still wondering what R-Pi Foundation is up to with a future rPi 5 . . . dunno.
Yes Ubuntu please! With source choice. Love your content!
Nice video bro let me ask you when you buy this does it come preinstalled with android TV 12 and what is the name of the dongle you bought for the wireless capability?
Finally a RK3588 with 8GB RAM that touches the price of the most affordable days of RK3399. I'll wait a little longer for more options. Really I just need a box powerful enough to play PS2 (PS3 won't hurt but not a must) and heavy Android games.
They used to be really painfully expensive (>250USD).
This has a NPU in it, I do wonder if anyone has got it working for other tasks than upscaling..
@@-r-495 somebody might want to run some AI benchmarks there, for whatever reason. Unless you're working in AI related fields and need something small and portable for showcases, such as in an event or something, the NPU may stay sleeping all the time. I won't be surprised if there are folks trying to replicate Nvidia DLSS / AMD FSR for Mali GPU.
Thanks for posting your great intro to this SBC!
You mentioned the powerful GPU. I would love to know if OpenCV, in Python3, on Debian...can take advantage of that GPU.
(I know you have a passion for gaming. But my focus is OpenCV/Python programming for graphics/video processing and Machine Learning. It would be great to know if the power of this SBC's CPU--and especially its GPU--would make OpenCV/Python programs faster in Debian!)
Thanks!
Would be good to see how Ubuntu performs on it. Also, is it possible to install Fedora or does it have to use a version of Linux created by the manufacturer?
Ubuntu Jammy & Debian Buster images available. Both booted fine for me np.
*Instant purchase* Well hello my new linux-based router! Time to pair you with a nice WiFi 6 AX access point and my home network's gonna be lit!
I would really like to check if this machine can do light video editing in debian or ubuntu. Thanks for the Heads Up.
Yes, please do a linux review. And maybe something as a home router....2 x 2.5Gb switches coming in and 1Gb to ISP with Wifi AP etc.
Cool video . I ordered one a week ago. I really wish ETAPrime would have named the wifi BT dongle he used. I also have the Rock5b the dongle I have from Amazon doesn’t work on that marvelous looking but as of right now software installation impaired board
Unfortunately due to lack of USB ports and Wifi&bluetooth, this SBC is more suitable for NAS and routing purposes than a computer, imo they should’ve replaced 3 Ethernet ports with only one 2.5Gig Ethernet port and given it 2 more USBs (maybe type C?), another display port and added hardware for wifi and Bluetooth , it would have been a great alternative for all the purposes where RasPi fits in atm
1 ethernet is a deal breaker for any small form factor pc for me, I think 2 should be the standard so they can be used as router/firewall, usb is easy to expand with a hub. Lack of wifi really shows it's not meant for general purpose though.
@@Geardos1 yes, I agree that one Ethernet is not enough for router/firewall, but one Ethernet port is more than enough for a SBC PC, imo this SBC is designed for the former purposes than the later
Looking at FriendlyElec's page, it seems clear that the "R" series is designed towards router usage. The older models didn't even have display output.
Would love to see Ubuntu running on this box. Cheers
So this would actually work well as a livestreaming deck or whatever they're calling it. You could output 4k video to a 4k capture card and have the video encoded on the r6s & stream to twitch or YT
Thanks for the excellent review and commentary. I am running a NaniPi R4s with OpenWRT as a router which has worked well, but is at the limits when doing SQM QoS on a Gigabit fiber internet connection because SQM QoS is very CPU intensive. I've ordered a NonoPi R6s and and think that it will be a terrific OpenWRT platform. While awaiting it's arrival I will be very interested any feedback and results of testing OpenWRT.
I have an R4S and it can do 850mbit download speeds with SQM set for zero bufferbloat. I considered getting the R6S just for the 2.5gbit connections but I am sticking with the R4S untill my ISP offers faster speeds.
Can you please tell me which USB wifi+Bluetooth adapter you used? Model number if you can. I've tried two that I have and none of them worked. Love you're videos 😃
A $119?! Man, I should've waited considering I just bought the Orange Pi 800. It's literally about the same price.
I just ordered the OP 800 as well. I wanted something to play around with Android OS. Now I am worried that the developer is going to abandon this port.
@@wildzeke For the past week I've tinkering around with the stock Orange Pi OS. I wish I can overclock the thing to make it perform better but at least I can run Godot and UE4 games.
$119 without the case in the video. With the board + case it comes out to $139.
Just ordered one of these a couple of days ago, was planning to make a new router out of it, but might be a bit overkill.
Well it arrived a couple of days ago, about 40 days from China, not bad considering the postage issues we are having in the UK right now and the increase in general postage for Christmas.
First thoughts - no instructions in the box and zero software installed, so off to the wiki pages. Got Ubuntu onto a card and ran that, and it worked fast, but that appeared to be a totally empty version of the OS, so nothing else was on there. But that's now on a card for future messing with, off to Android 12 TV.
So Android TV, the wiki information supplied is bad, which is not helped by the fact that the software you install from the non-Chinese area of the site also defaults to Chinese, but we muddle through and find a config file to change the language, which could have been done with a couple of flags on the damn software (but hey, this is linux style PC'ing WE TELL YOU NOTHING). But finally, thanks to a post on the forum from about a month ago (the most recent post on that area of the forums, which are otherwise virtually dead).
Android TV, so considering this is a version ported to an SBC I am sure it'll work nicely with a plugged in mouse/keyboard, or at least be consistent, yea right! I found Android TV to be a pain to use, I can use the cursor keys to move around (normally), and I can type words into the search box (but sometimes the system will assume that my pressing enter means that I now want to add a 'q' to the end of my typed words rather than submit them, because that is what is highlighted in the virtual keyboard which I cannot seem to stop appearing when I have to enter text).
Not sure how to get started on the side loading part of things, might be a good one for a future video, also maybe a video on controllers that work correctly with these systems that are not full joypads?
Could you kindly share the specific dongle you used. Since it’s a hit or miss I would like to at least try the one you used. Thanks for your content ETA. 👍🏼✌🏻
Thanks. Your presentations are very in depth and well done.
You need to step.up the testing: add comparision with other boards, shield, etc, test more streaming apps not only UA-cam. Most of us dont game on Android SBCs. Thanks
Man you keep killing it with these uploads !!!! Debian pls
Can you share the model of the usb wifi/bluetooth dongle you used? Thanks!
YES ... run some linux Ubuntu/ Debian/ Monjaro doesn't matter, it'll be good to see some box86 working, and what performance it gets ...
Owesome video! And Any tutorial for how to install Android TV image into the r6s to make it a sheld-like device?
But this all means nothing if the shape/connections are different and can't fit inside a PiBoy or other purpose built devices...
...so great power... but can I put it in a device that a Rasberry Pi would work in??? Cause if not...
You also gotta look at the cost of getting a case and cooling for the pi 4 when comparing prices. What passive cooling case can you get for a pi 4 that is good and cheap. The only thing that this doesn’t have that the pi does is a ton of community support. Basically for the same price or less of a pi, you can get a ton more performance and with that 2.5 gig, setting up multiple 4K video streams with a home nas wouldn’t be super difficult
Price of a Pi4?... currently Pi4 prices aren't worth buying one,... better to buy a nuc then a Pi4 these days...
@@Oogobuk Look up the Odroid H3+. Intel Celeron processor
does any FreeBSD releases such as PFsense/OPNsense run on this board yet? Would be interested in seeing the performance for this in a firewall setting.
Look at the Website. All OS are on it. And No, PFsense/OPNsense are only x86 OS. For this is only a openWRT Fork available. so you Got a Router but not a Firewall OS.
NanoPi R6S with 2x2.5Gb on pcie or OrangePi 5 with pcie nvme, I think that the targeted users are not the same.
I'm very interested in this sbc. Could you perhaps make a video showing maybe Ubuntu, manjaro or even raspberry pi os on it?
So many different boards coming with this chip at the same time. Just received my rock5b preordered 100$ (120€ all included) based on RK3588 which offers more IOs than this 's' version. For sure at this price, perfectly replacing RPi4. Can't wait to have better linux support with more distributions and full graphics acceleration. I think, possibilities may be limited though until linux get a rosetta like emulator as Mac did for the M1, so that we can also run linux steam games on this chip
Have the Rock 5b and it’s solid running Ubuntu gnome version of Armbian. 5b is 8 cores and has options for more ram and has more I/o.
@@scottnoble5022 same, gonna move to arch though.
I find linux support still lacking even if getting better (having PD boot and hdmi/usb-c video random issues ...). Plus graphics are not fully taking advantage of the board yet.
@@Etienne85 diet pi’s latest release is promising.
So using it as an android TV what are the options for a TV controller ? Do you just buy that wifi/Bluetooth dongle and have a Bluetooth controller always connected to it ? Also not being able to stream Netflix/UA-cam in 4k is a deal breaker for me unfortunately.
There's no guarantee the wifi dongle is going to be recognized with Android tv, I didn't have any luck with it anyways.
@@hamidmosalla1094 wifi/BT not in the Android build yet (Soon!) Ubuntu/Debian only currently. I just shared my desktop WIFI/internet and used an RJ45 cable for now.
thats a nice unit - one place I saw over 120 availabe 8G RPi4 @450 US$ each
Looks like a great deal. I would love this form factor but with a little bit of power to run F zero at full speed for instance. As it is, I keep mi Nvidia Shield.
Don't ever ask us if we want to see how any device working on Linux OS :) . YES we Always want to know how any devices work with Linux OS, how youtube plays and if there any fps drops, How snap is the distro, and rest. We Always want to know :)
debian please. would also like to know if it's a forked kernel or mainline.
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I really like it but the lack of a wifi and Bluetooth connection is a deal breaker, and I guess it will be the feeling of many people
Do they support it well? I never could get UART working on my NanoPi Neo and the best support suggestion was to add a USB device to run UART instead of figuring out why the two UART interfaces on the board don't work out of the box or with their config program.
my 1 nanopi m4 has been reliable, its outlasted 3 raspberry pi 4, i which i sold recently for nearly the price i bought them for, i will use that broken raspberry pi money and buy met this new device, which is now done. i will use it for simple stuff linux youtube plex kodi, maybe some gaming, but x86 usually does it better, crisp drivers (old titles pixels are more correctly placed) from amd intel and nvidia.
hey ETA, could you review the uConsole by clockworkpi? It's a pretty interesting device, though the first orders won't arrive until next January IIRC
I'm keen to run Ubuntu and PiHole on this if you could do a video on that.
Could I add IDS/IPS on it too?🍻👍🤓
there is a openWRT Fork with Docker Support. and also a Debian/Ubuntu/lubuntu...
Yes definitely try Linux on it. Also when you're running Android on this, does it have all those annoying ads like the Nvidia shield got which wasn't originally on the system?
It does but changing launcher to something like FLauncher gets rid of those easily enough.
Bought one for emulating with android as the OS. Also bought two separate wifi/bluetooth dongles that android would not recognize. Mr. Prime: I know a few others asked....can you please share exactly which wifi/bluetooth dongle you used in the video? I would love to use this thing but it won't see my bt controller otherwise. HELP!
What's the Wifi/BT adapter you're using? I see several on Amazon but with varying reviews.
Nice review 👌
can you add plex server testing compare to nvidia shield?
SBCs are typically 6Y behind smart phones (8x slower). To have an SBC that < 3Y behind smartphones is a big deal ...
Can't wait to run Openwrt on this thing.
would like to see how well it runs ubuntu maybe test the gaming performance in that distro and maybe video editing or alternate productivity tasks
I’m sure it will run Ubuntu fine. Just assuming. I was running and trying a bunch of different program out on my Pi 400 and pi 4gb. No issues.
I would love to see this running the latest Ubuntu Budgie or Fedora. I know it will run Fedora flawlessly but I'm interested to see Ubuntu. You can get Zorin and it's codex ready Ubuntu Budgie if I'm not mistaken.
Looks like a nice SBC. Have you looked at the Zimaboard based on x86 and runs Windows, Linux ect? Another nice SBC.
I would love to see Ubuntu desktop and something like Ubuntu core running Docker if possible. The dual 2.5G port nature of this device screams router/firewall to me. But home server will do.
UA-cam deleted my comment for some reason, but there is Orange Pi 5 device with RK3588S which costs 75 euros for 8GB RAM version.
No links allowed because that hurts ETA Prime's business model. Off course he wants you to click the affillliate links. He doesn;t show links to other shops who don't do clickmoney :even if he reviews the products D But hey google is easy. BTW I see the 4gb version on Ali for about 75 ... the 8 Gb version is about 90 ? But anyway prices are coming down fast because the parts on it aren't that much more expensive than a Pi is and for 200 euros you can buy a 4600G + mainboard + 8 Gb which is more powerfull and flexible.
@@erikkarsies4851 Yeah. The price also went up to 90 euros after I set up one of the EU countries as the delivery destination. I tried it after I wrote this comment.
if you turned that into a plex server could it manage video transcoding?
I’d like to know this, too
Technically, the rk3588 has hardware encode/decode for h265 and h264 so you should be able to
Not sure this would be the best board for it though, look at what's available with rk3588
@@fstemarie thank you for the info! do you know of any decent guides?
Are these more powerful than x86 boards, like the odroid h3? Otherwise I don't understand the appeal. X86 much better compatibility than anything RISC based, I think. I mean RPI has very good Dev support because there are so many, and it's become a kind of standard, but that Dev support is nothing compared to what you get with x86. I could be mistaken, but I don't think that any os build made for RPI will work for this. And when the manufacturer quits supporting this chip, it'll probably die. You never have to worry about that on x86.
They're fairly close in power, at least on the CPU side. The multi-core looks to be higher on this. I think with something like this, if someone has a specific application in mind, then these ARM boards are worth considering. Many have mentioned this could be good for a DIY router. There's also a bunch of other things. For stuff like that, future support may not matter as much. Plus, the lower power draw might be more appealing, in addition to potential cost savings. You are right that x86 provides more versatility and future proofing. It's often a better choice, especially for general computing.
@@ravagingwolverine good points, but I'd argue that x86 is even a better choice when building a router. For example opensense will just work on a modern x86 machine. I think that builds exist for RPI, and they may even exist for these processors (for now). But one of the most important considerations for a router is updating. If you can't update because a manufacturer stopped supporting a product, then its effectively useless. Not an issue with x86.
I actually *want* some RISC system to supplant x86, but I don't think that can happen until we get the kind of standardization we get with x86. I don't know why we don't have that in ARM or other RISC platforms. Maybe it's all due to intellectual property related problems. If that's the case, I hope that RISC-V explodes. I won't hold my breath though.
Hi ETA, are you able to mount smb shares with the provided android tv os like you can with an nvidea shield?
I moved away from these sorts of devices because they just can't handle what I want to do. At first they were cool little things that could retro-game but then HoloISO came out, and the steamdeck prior, and none of these things do as much as my little computer I picked up. I got one of those Dell 9010's, put a radeon card in it, and dropped an 8tb drive with an i7 processor upgrade. It's a little beast for retro gaming and modern games. Now i just need to sell my raspberry pi 4 8gb, case and such, or keep it, dunno which.
How about using it as a Plex server for live transcoding / burning subtitles? Will the cpu be good enough? How about the GPU? Thank you!
I bet if you could get Arm PfSense install on it would be a great firewall.