Just a thought: the girl with the ‘Screenslaver is still out there’ sign wasn’t wearing the hypnotic glasses, which surely means that she wasn’t under mind control when holding the sign and consciously saw what it said and held it up. Also, her parents probably saw it and let her hold it up. Maybe she has something to do with it?
I was also thinking about that a lot. I feel like that girl has something to hide maybe her family has "anti-super beliefs" and she heard them and took after them. Still more connections are needed
@@thelordofcheese3304 If they seriously brought him back and his only explanation was "Detatchable Capes!" I'd buy it. Even better, have Incredibles 3 be about rebel teen Jack Jack wanting to be a villian instead of a hero and joining Syndrome while Bob and Helen deal with superhero's having to retire. Dash has prom issues and Violet is basicaly Peter Parkering it up at college. Boom, Pixar hire me.
Where did the underminer go? He just kinda disappeared. Plus, why rob a bank? He's a mole, it's not like he can use money. Plus it's all insured, so there would have been much worse things to do if he really wanted to "undermine peace and happiness". The only logical reason is it was staged to bring supers out of hiding. But if this was fake, was everything fake? When supers disappeared, why did villains disappear? Winston even makes it seem superheroes were more about a story, than actually helping. So, was this kind of thing happening since hero's started?
Nick JS that does seem like a bit of an inconsistency, until you realize that the entire bank sank underground when he was robbing it. I imagine the underminers ultimate plan was to send each and every building in the city underground, affectively taking it over. Stealing the money was just an added bonus to causing the bank to go underground.
Also makes you wonder on how the original sequal, a videogame called Rise of the Underminer, ties in to all this too. Sure some of it may not be canon anymore...but what if it is?
It’d be great to see you do a theory on Wreck-It Ralph, specifically on the History of King Candy/ Turbo. How did he go undercover in the arcade for so long, both before and after becoming King Candy? Wouldn’t anyone in the arcade notice the fact that Princess Vanellope has vanished? After all, Turbo only locked up the memories of the Sugar Rush characters, and we know the arcade has some knowledge of Sugar Rush, what with Ralph recognising the game when inside of it and Felix’s party featuring some residents of Sugar Rush, being the Gingerbread Bears. Turbo Time was unplugged a while before Sugar Rush got plugged in, which we can tell due to the huge graphical leap between the Roadblasters, which was the “fresh new competition” to TurboTime, in comparison to Sugar Rush. That would’ve meant that Turbo had gone undercover in Arcade Central for at least a few years, so how could he have gone unnoticed? As we can tell with Q-Bert, homeless game characters draw attention to themselves. Also, seeing as King Candy got the secret to unlocking the game’s source code from Tappers, it suggests that Turbo would’ve had to have entered another game after his game was unplugged and would’ve also had to have talked to someone, so how did he keep his cover? It’d be great to see if you could do something with this idea
The only explanation that i could think of is Turbo immidately got into Sugar Rush when it first came out and messed up the coderoom Maybe i forgot some parts bcuz i havent watched it for a while so Turbo himself went missing and everyone in the arcade central would have thought hes gone forever. And as u said homeless characters draw attention to themself but in the first place he already did that by ruining other game so he was already well known(in a bad way), So i assume he was just hiding(maybe disguise) all the time in the arcade central
But here’s the thing he cause road blasters to glitch which he could glitch as well And there’s no way he can regenerate OUTSIDE OF HIS GAME it’s possible he may have used some type of code to protect himself from not being able to regenerate but at the end of the film why is the booth have K and C on his booth but not change to PV it bothered me so according to tht British kid he claims tht king candy was a non playable character if u look at his genes it possible all the racers r his kids but it’s unknown who his wife is. The reason why he got rid of her on the sugar rush roster bc he knew she was the best play after he got rid of her he also had to lock up everyone memories bc he knew the truth will come out tht y he spread rumors ab glitch r dangerous lairs etc.
This is quite a compelling theory. I know that you are finished with doing theories on the first Incredibles with Buddy/Syndrome’s past, but there’s still one lingering question I still wonder about the first film at the beginning with Bob and Helen’s wedding. Does anyone notice that neither Bob’s or Helen’s parents aren’t present at their wedding but yet their super friends are in attendance? Or at I the only one that’s wondering about this?
Wait. So, where their parents superheroes then? And do Bob or Helen have any siblings? And if they are both supers, yet also normal people, why were all the other superheroes in the Incredibles 2 (except Void) all messed up and weird. Like the owl thing and Reflux. What horrid combination of people made them!? So many questions😂
Fascinating. I never realized that Winston's reaction (or lack of reaction) to events throughout the film suggest that he isn't as innocent as he first appears.
Evelyn was so obvious! I knew she was evil from near the start, but now that I think about it, Winston seems guilty too. As you said, his reactions aren’t even nearly as sugar-coated as they should’ve been if he really had no idea what was going on. I think you’re right. He knew something. And in his absence, Evelyn took it further and took Helen and everything spiralled out of his control. He asked on the plane, “What did you do?” And he asked it for a reason. He knew Evelyn was capable of something and he didn’t stop her. As always, movies are way more complicated than they first seem. They are more complicated than a little kids’ movie and they need decoding.
When i saw the movie, i thought winston was gonna be the villain and i REALLY didn’t want him to becuase it would be too cleshé and predictable. I was plesently supprised it turned out to be evelyn (although her plan still makes no sense).
@@austinreed7343 it could go even further beyond by not making either of them the villain in this movie but like making 2 more then having them betray them
What if the people who killed their father were the super heroes? What if it was a plot to show how people need the supers, that's why the father went to the phones and NOT the safe room. It was just a set up to make it look like if the supers were still around he wouldnt have died. That would explain why his kids knew more about what happened by the phones when they were in the bunker, and this could explain why evelyn hates the supers, not the "robbers" becouse the supers were the direct cause of his death. Her brother agrees with this plan but it dosnt work so he stages another plot to get supers back just like his father, but evelyn wants to ruin this plan becouse she is angry with the supers who killed her father.
There is a theory that house that Incredible family moved in is actualy Syrdroms house. There is a lot of reasons . First one is that house is blended with nature like Syrdomrs island in first Incredible movie ( high technology base blended with nature) Second one is that house has a lot of secret exits like Sydroms base . Also we hear that Sydrome sells his robots to military so maybe he was in that house while military makes a choice to buy robot or not and he probably wante to stay in his house with a lot of secret exits. After his death his organization sold his house to Winston. So maybe Winston and Sydrome are conected.
That's what the police were for, anyway that was her reasoning iirc. And from a comment it sounds like they had a safe house, but I don't remember either way.
You should theorize on how this movie connects to the Pixar theory, with what your saying it sounds like an explanation of the lack of supers in the future of the Pixar verse. The ability Jack Jack has to travel between dimensions or universes (I forget what it was) could also be interesting to analyze.
Clay Cameron I heard someone say before (I forget who or where) that in the original Monsters Inc., in the scene after the sushi restaurant. One of the monsters being interviewed talks about a flying kid shooting lazers out of his eyes. Basically, what if they (story writers/creators) decided to have that be Jack Jack during his interdimensional travels. As a joke or some sort. Idk
this is what i like about theories. obviously, a lot of this is just unintended stuff from a messy plot, but theories like this put it into a perspective that retroactively makes everything make sense.
I personally believe that Winston and Evelyn were working together to begin with, but Evelyn went crazy, making her own plan. That’s why Winston was so confused, but knew about the hypnotism.
I figured she was the villan and he was being controlled(before we learned the hypnosis only lasted while aeeing the pattern) Didnt even think they were related at the time
Well, obviously. The UNDERMINER IS STILL OUT THERE MAN!!! He took on Mr. Incredible, but then again they really Nerfed him in this movie. Eh, I still like the the 1st Incredibles a whole lot more
Being a brother (to a sister no less) myself, you know waayyy more about your siblings than most would think. It would make perfect sense to me that he knew whos she used to be. But refused to have her arrested and ect. Because of course shes his sister. You can always kinda.. *tell* when your siblings up to some thing. No one spends more time with a child than their sibling. Whether they realize it or not, like it or not ect. It makes perfect sense that in some way shape or form they were in on it together
I have a personal headcanon that has basically 0 support in the film that Winston was the screenslaver all along. In a truly Death note esque Misa and Light plot, he hypnotized his sister into taking the fall and also hypnotized her into hypnotizing him to remove the memory of his involvement until she was arrested, which explains why he's so confused at first but then completely nonchalant afterwards. He also at some point would have had to hypnotize her into forgetting she had done this.
Winston's sister turned against supers using hypno tech glasses for her own personal gain when jack jack break her spell freeing the supers to lift the ban of metro heroes aside.
I think that he knew about the Screenslaver and staged it to make a villain Elastagirl could easily defeat to earn the people's trust about supers, but he didn't know about Helen's plan.
U said in ur last Dama Fortuna video that Rumpel was screwed by Lillian’s family, but u never mentioned how. Here’s how I think he was: Rumpel helped Lillian’s mother (aka the miller’s daughter) become royalty by spinning straw into gold (like in the original fairytale), but when it was time to collect the first born child (possibly Lillian Pendragon), the King banished him 2 the Crone’s Nest.
I had rewatch it like 3 times and I noticed something .. you remember that little girl that had the sign that said “ Screenslaver is still out there “ well if you look at her eyes they’re about the same color as the goggles lens that Evelyn had on the superheroes at the end. So maybe Evelyn was controlling the little girl but with something else🤷🏽♀️
"If he was arrested too, then nobody would bail them out of prison..." So, um...are you implying that Winston was the one controlling the supers when they stuck the goggles on Frozone? Or that Evelyn is completely mad? Or did you completely overlook the fact that there is obviously someone else controlling the minds of the supers (Not Elastigirl, Mr. Incredible, or Frozone, as we see her controlling those three, I mean Void and Brick and the rest) as there would be absolutely no reason for Evelyn to have Voyd tell her something she already knew? (The scene where Voyd tells Evelyn "the kids escaped in a tricked-out car" paraphrasing) Irrelevant note: the screens in the goggles, if there even are screens in the goggles, do nothing. When Void catches Violet in the hallway, she holds the goggles in front of Violet's eyes, and Violet stares directly into the "screen," before knocking the goggles away. Had there actually been screens in the goggles, she would have been hypnotized. More likely then not, there is a chip or something in the part of the goggle that sits directly above the ear that sends electrical impulses to the brain. This could be completely wrong, as I've only seen the movie three times, but I figured more ideas, even wrong ideas, are better than me not speaking up.
This really reminds me of communications case 2. Sorry if you haven't heard of it but communications is a series of vocaloid songs. Case 2 is about a boy called kennith simmons (set in the 1980s, specifically 1987) who brainwashed an entire nation by broadcasting colorbars on TV (and he used sounds to brainwash people)
Good question and we don't know if they were supers or not and Lucius was confirmed to have discovered his powers when he was young though we don't know about bob and helen
evelyn and his brother planned the first train incident to make elastigirl feel like she can really help by controlling THE issues she solves, knowing that she would 100% win, BUT Evelyn’s secret intention wasn’t to help supers rather than to use this method to make them look bad while her brothers was to make them look good.
@@gracekim1998 well sure but, what i mean is that the 1st movie came out like what, 12 or 14 years ago....,,, im just saying this movie should have come out earlier
Yeah. I mean, this movie was great, but not “we needed 14 years to make it” great. Like, I kinda expected more out of a movie that took so long to make, but all I got was the Screenslaver......😂😂
Actually here is what happened: Winston wanted to make Supers legal again so he and hes sister created screenslayer bracuse they wanted from elastigirl to find him and bring him to justice. They made a Pizza guy their supervillain. Everithing was acording to the plan and all was good. Winston got what he wanted but his sister had bigger plans. She wanted to revenge dad and in same time wanted to help his brother. She was basically waiting to see which thing will she do, she was waiting to see if elastigirl will find out, it would be jackpot. After Elastigirl concluded that pizza guy was acting Screenslayer it was Bingo for Evelyn and she could proceed with her plan. After her plan started to collapse as we know she even tried to get away with her brother beacuse she was thinking that Jacht will anyway crush on city and the heroes will be hated. Winston even asked her what she did? She said shes doing best for him. He finds out his sister betrayed him and their plan and jumps out of plane. He even didnt care that she is going to jail, hes plan was sucess after all. That is one evil man.
So could he be the villain in The Incredibles 3? After all, when the Lego set for this movie came out, he was under the mask of the Screenslaver, which was strange.
Here's a theory for you. The crooks that went in and shot their dad, were actually hired to do so. I feel like no one really talks about it, but no one else thought it was a bit coincidental that the moment when super's were banned. A couple of crooks broke into a well-known supporter of supers and accidentally shot him when he went to the phone. Case in point the true villain of the next incredible movie might be the guy who called the hit.
This would be a theory connecting syndrome and screensaver from the two movies. Since syndrome’s intellectual powers allowed him to control his henchmen like you had suggested in your incredibles videos, She might have based her technology off his powers after his defeat. I originally thought that they might be related due to their heightened intellect. The problem with this is that the timeline does not match up. Getting back to my theory, before she created her tech they both built up their parents company with her tech and Winston’s ability to sell things. She might have also idolized syndrome as a villain and their shared hatred towards the supers like syndrome idolized Mr.Incredible. I know that you have denied the fact that the she organized her parents murder but if she might have idolized syndrome and he hated heroes and her father loved them then due to her parents company she could easily hired robbers to kill her father with money. If you could make a video considering something similar to this then I would greatly appreciate it. I enjoy your videos quite a bit
The Theorizer I believe that the Underminer might've been a setup by either Winston or Evelyn herself. I say this since they know the supers very well and even Winston says in the movie "I LOVE SUPERHEROS". That kinda makes me think that Winston is trying his best to legalize superheroes and to present them as the good guys, but I agree that there's a more villianous side of Winston. Nice theory.
The Underminer was the true Villain in both films, his is considered the lowest threat of all the villains but they didn't catch him and he stole a lot of money and once again disappeared after beating the Incredibles. And as the dominos fall he gets to set back and watch as his plan to rule start to take shape!
I find it odd that Evelyn is obviously upset with her father and blames him for both of her mom and dad’s death. And how if the father had a safe room but instead both of them just stood there to get shot… and she surely has not so loving feelings about Winston. She seems cold towards him and it’s probably because she blames their father and Winston thinks he’s innocent. I think that Winston is evil himself but tries to hide it mainly due to the fact that he DID invent the Screenslaver Character and how he plans to get his sister out of jail. And that fact that he isn’t blaming his sister and just insured that he is going to get her out is suspicious itself. Going back to the parents death, here is my mini thought. So we know Evelyn and Winston are probably 15 -17 based on the parents age and how they look. And we also know that Evelyn hates supers and what’s worse than your father supporting something you hate the most? Yea so Evelyn could have hired the intruders to kill her father but then they accidentally killed the mom and so then that would explain how Evelyn know how it happened and when it happened and then she explained it to her brother who never suspected anything. Idk I think I went to far but it’s possible along with the fact that Winston could have also planned that death of their parents because again “ He wants to be the guy that brought supers out of hiding” gruesome ik but I’ve gotten used to the strange storyline of things…
IMHO he believed it was Evelyn because she was yanking him by the arm down a hallway, muttering like a wildwoman, and him being in the hallway instead of the presenting room was practically a confession in and of itself. That coupled with knowing her abilities as a scientist wouldn't have made it that far of a leap BUT I agree even then most people would have been at least more disgusted and not willing to comprehend their siblings behavior....unless their sibling had killed before? But even then they would at least say "You PROMISED you wouldn't do _______ anymore!" Which he also doesn't do.
I loved and hated throughout the movie that pixar intentionally made it seem like winston would be the bad guy, the way he spoke to the supers and his facial expressions kept that up, and it litterally had me like: Please dont turn out to be the villain. but it would make good sense that he'd be the one to make up a fake villain so that the supers could get a good reputition again. Not that he'd have bad intentions about it, just a fanboy that wants his idols back in action, and with the money and resources to do so
Isn't it coincidental how the beginning of both movies always shows a minor antagonist escaping from Mr. Incredible? I also kinda have a theory where Incredibles 3 would be like a return of Syndrome and Screenslaver with Winston.
YESS!!!! I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AS WELL. But, have you considered than when Winston jumps off of the plane and says "its for your own good, he was implying that he would have to bail her or distract? And another thing I noticed is that Winston somehow knows Violet on a first name basis and provided them with a house that HE OWNS. Yet Evelyn never seens to utilize the house despite being very modern and has no clue that jack-jack exists. Why wouldn't Winston tell Evelyn about the super children, or how does she not at least figure it out? And has anyone questioned where the big glass freeze room is? Even if it was at the Devor tower, why would they have an entire room dedicated to securing elastagirl? Also, this movie fits into the pixar theory as the time when machines are taking over, diretly after the Omnidroid. Isn't it a little strange that the two major villains of the Incredibles movies create a new step in the machines takeover? Coincidence? I think not
She knew about the super kids but I don't think she remembered Jack-Jack because she didn't think he had powers and thought he was unimportant so she didn't bother planning for him and just forgot he existed while she was planning everything else.
Nice contrast from Winston and Evelyn they created in the movie. Evelyn using her technical skills to manipulate people but Winston uses his words just like Evelyn said in one of the scenes that he is good with people, he knows how to do the talking. Not related to any theory but I just love how they showed difference between obvious manipulating and subtle manipulating that not even the supers or us caught onto.
The direct phoneline and safe room would be because they were rich and in the public. Rich people usually have extra security, especially if they're in the public eye, because people would be more likely to target them. Being the owner of a large company or being friends with super heros would put you in the public eye. The robbery was probably just a robbery. I don't think that someone would have hired them. As for the kids knowing what happened, there were probably security cameras in the house, or the mother told them what happened. I really don't think there is a deeper story there, but I might be missing something. I look forward to your next video.
What's interesting is that in your other video about the incredibles you mentioned that buddy controlled the people working on the island with mind control abilities inherited from his mother and making them do actions in his favour . Well .... in the second incredibles it is obvious that the "villian" controlled superheroes by hypnotyzing them and making them do actions to make supers illegal . So if they meant it or not , both movies use mind-manipulating geniuses as villains
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Just a thought: the girl with the ‘Screenslaver is still out there’ sign wasn’t wearing the hypnotic glasses, which surely means that she wasn’t under mind control when holding the sign and consciously saw what it said and held it up. Also, her parents probably saw it and let her hold it up. Maybe she has something to do with it?
That was weird. I was so confused about that girl
I was also thinking about that a lot. I feel like that girl has something to hide maybe her family has "anti-super beliefs" and she heard them and took after them. Still more connections are needed
Maybe her parents told her to hold it up but she seemed a bit young to either be able to read it or be able to read it and understand it
ZomBOOMboy I think that was meant to cause Helen to doubt herself 🤷♀️
Maybe she can't read and someone told her to hold it up? shes smol
You never see the underminer's eyes, perhaps he was mind controlled
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@@thelordofcheese3304 If they seriously brought him back and his only explanation was "Detatchable Capes!" I'd buy it. Even better, have Incredibles 3 be about rebel teen Jack Jack wanting to be a villian instead of a hero and joining Syndrome while Bob and Helen deal with superhero's having to retire. Dash has prom issues and Violet is basicaly Peter Parkering it up at college. Boom, Pixar hire me.
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@@zigfaust I HAD THE SAME IDEA I WANTED JACK JACK TO BE THE VILLAN IN THE THIRD MOVIE
Where did the underminer go?
He just kinda disappeared.
Plus, why rob a bank?
He's a mole, it's not like he can use money.
Plus it's all insured, so there would have been much worse things to do if he really wanted to "undermine peace and happiness".
The only logical reason is it was staged to bring supers out of hiding.
But if this was fake, was everything fake?
When supers disappeared, why did villains disappear?
Winston even makes it seem superheroes were more about a story, than actually helping.
So, was this kind of thing happening since hero's started?
"I hereby declare war!" Bitch, where?
Underminer robbed the bank so he can fund for his mining experiments
Good point. It seems like its all made just to accomplish something.
Nick JS that does seem like a bit of an inconsistency, until you realize that the entire bank sank underground when he was robbing it. I imagine the underminers ultimate plan was to send each and every building in the city underground, affectively taking it over. Stealing the money was just an added bonus to causing the bank to go underground.
Also makes you wonder on how the original sequal, a videogame called Rise of the Underminer, ties in to all this too. Sure some of it may not be canon anymore...but what if it is?
If Evelyn Deavor = Evil Indeavor
Then Wiston Deavor = Wise Endeavor?
As in, he is the master of the plan?
fun fact Winston was originally suppose to be the Villain in early versions of the film
Wasn't it supposed to be his brother?
@@OhLilacc thats what they said .
Timberwolf Studios no I mean Winston's brother who they changed out for Evelyn
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It’d be great to see you do a theory on Wreck-It Ralph, specifically on the History of King Candy/ Turbo. How did he go undercover in the arcade for so long, both before and after becoming King Candy? Wouldn’t anyone in the arcade notice the fact that Princess Vanellope has vanished? After all, Turbo only locked up the memories of the Sugar Rush characters, and we know the arcade has some knowledge of Sugar Rush, what with Ralph recognising the game when inside of it and Felix’s party featuring some residents of Sugar Rush, being the Gingerbread Bears. Turbo Time was unplugged a while before Sugar Rush got plugged in, which we can tell due to the huge graphical leap between the Roadblasters, which was the “fresh new competition” to TurboTime, in comparison to Sugar Rush. That would’ve meant that Turbo had gone undercover in Arcade Central for at least a few years, so how could he have gone unnoticed? As we can tell with Q-Bert, homeless game characters draw attention to themselves. Also, seeing as King Candy got the secret to unlocking the game’s source code from Tappers, it suggests that Turbo would’ve had to have entered another game after his game was unplugged and would’ve also had to have talked to someone, so how did he keep his cover? It’d be great to see if you could do something with this idea
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The only explanation that i could think of is Turbo immidately got into Sugar Rush when it first came out and messed up the coderoom
Maybe i forgot some parts bcuz i havent watched it for a while so
Turbo himself went missing and everyone in the arcade central would have thought hes gone forever. And as u said homeless characters draw attention to themself but in the first place he already did that by ruining other game so he was already well known(in a bad way), So i assume he was just hiding(maybe disguise) all the time in the arcade central
But here’s the thing he cause road blasters to glitch which he could glitch as well And there’s no way he can regenerate OUTSIDE OF HIS GAME it’s possible he may have used some type of code to protect himself from not being able to regenerate but at the end of the film why is the booth have K and C on his booth but not change to PV it bothered me so according to tht British kid he claims tht king candy was a non playable character if u look at his genes it possible all the racers r his kids but it’s unknown who his wife is. The reason why he got rid of her on the sugar rush roster bc he knew she was the best play after he got rid of her he also had to lock up everyone memories bc he knew the truth will come out tht y he spread rumors ab glitch r dangerous lairs etc.
I have one planned
But can we just talk about how Evelyn is literally Roxanne Ritchi 10 years later?
And constantly drunk for some reason lol
Megamind left her bahaha
Yeah
Megamind gave her one hell of a stress level...
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My theorizer senses saw this video coming in the near future
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This is quite a compelling theory. I know that you are finished with doing theories on the first Incredibles with Buddy/Syndrome’s past, but there’s still one lingering question I still wonder about the first film at the beginning with Bob and Helen’s wedding. Does anyone notice that neither Bob’s or Helen’s parents aren’t present at their wedding but yet their super friends are in attendance? Or at I the only one that’s wondering about this?
You ain't the only one
They passed away. I think it even said that in the movie.
Wait. So, where their parents superheroes then? And do Bob or Helen have any siblings? And if they are both supers, yet also normal people, why were all the other superheroes in the Incredibles 2 (except Void) all messed up and weird. Like the owl thing and Reflux. What horrid combination of people made them!? So many questions😂
They were committing an illegal act. "You know supers can't mate." In the video, Syndrome even sites the federal act.
Fascinating. I never realized that Winston's reaction (or lack of reaction) to events throughout the film suggest that he isn't as innocent as he first appears.
Evelyn was so obvious! I knew she was evil from near the start, but now that I think about it, Winston seems guilty too. As you said, his reactions aren’t even nearly as sugar-coated as they should’ve been if he really had no idea what was going on. I think you’re right. He knew something. And in his absence, Evelyn took it further and took Helen and everything spiralled out of his control. He asked on the plane, “What did you do?” And he asked it for a reason. He knew Evelyn was capable of something and he didn’t stop her. As always, movies are way more complicated than they first seem. They are more complicated than a little kids’ movie and they need decoding.
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Also in the lego set of The Incredibles 2 the unasked version of Screenslaver looks almost exactly like Winston.
What I love about this channel is that it manages to turn plot holes into theories where that's the intention.
When i saw the movie, i thought winston was gonna be the villain and i REALLY didn’t want him to becuase it would be too cleshé and predictable. I was plesently supprised it turned out to be evelyn (although her plan still makes no sense).
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It would have been better if they were both co-villains.
@@austinreed7343 it could go even further beyond by not making either of them the villain in this movie but like making 2 more then having them betray them
at the end instead of saying “ I’m. The. Theorizer. “ you should’ve said “ I’m Screenslaver “ 💀💀
0:17 "I'm going to try to answer questions nobody has thought to ask"
That is basically the manifesto of a good theory channel.
Yes, assuming that the content can live up to said statement.
What if the people who killed their father were the super heroes? What if it was a plot to show how people need the supers, that's why the father went to the phones and NOT the safe room. It was just a set up to make it look like if the supers were still around he wouldnt have died. That would explain why his kids knew more about what happened by the phones when they were in the bunker, and this could explain why evelyn hates the supers, not the "robbers" becouse the supers were the direct cause of his death. Her brother agrees with this plan but it dosnt work so he stages another plot to get supers back just like his father, but evelyn wants to ruin this plan becouse she is angry with the supers who killed her father.
shes raged with all supers, thats why she did that, because Gazerbeam is dead, and Fironic is probably dead too.
There is a theory that house that Incredible family moved in is actualy Syrdroms house. There is a lot of reasons .
First one is that house is blended with nature like Syrdomrs island in first Incredible movie ( high technology base blended with nature)
Second one is that house has a lot of secret exits like Sydroms base . Also we hear that Sydrome sells his robots to military so maybe he was in that house while military makes a choice to buy robot or not and he probably wante to stay in his house with a lot of secret exits.
After his death his organization sold his house to Winston. So maybe Winston and Sydrome are conected.
stop stealing from the SUpercarlinBrothers
I like this theory, always have. I however don't like the theory in this video
Did you think know one would know you stole this from SuperCarlinBrothers?
They aren't saying that they themselves made the theory, I don't think they're stealing it
@@bluestargreenmoon they edited the comment but before they edited it they said that they made up the theory
yeah i always thought it was weird evelyn would want supers to be illegal when it was supers being illegal that killed her parents
That's what the police were for, anyway that was her reasoning iirc. And from a comment it sounds like they had a safe house, but I don't remember either way.
You should theorize on how this movie connects to the Pixar theory, with what your saying it sounds like an explanation of the lack of supers in the future of the Pixar verse.
The ability Jack Jack has to travel between dimensions or universes (I forget what it was) could also be interesting to analyze.
Clay Cameron I heard someone say before (I forget who or where) that in the original Monsters Inc., in the scene after the sushi restaurant.
One of the monsters being interviewed talks about a flying kid shooting lazers out of his eyes.
Basically, what if they (story writers/creators) decided to have that be Jack Jack during his interdimensional travels. As a joke or some sort. Idk
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Do you even know how fast Sonic can go vs. a random person clicking on a YT video; what about how fast "sonic himself" can click? I bet you don't.
this is what i like about theories. obviously, a lot of this is just unintended stuff from a messy plot, but theories like this put it into a perspective that retroactively makes everything make sense.
Finally someone takes down Evelyn. She was an awful villain.
I personally believe that Winston and Evelyn were working together to begin with, but Evelyn went crazy, making her own plan. That’s why Winston was so confused, but knew about the hypnotism.
I thought that he was pretty shady from the very beginning.
I thought he'd be revealed as the villain, not Evelyn. This just cinches it.
I figured she was the villan and he was being controlled(before we learned the hypnosis only lasted while aeeing the pattern)
Didnt even think they were related at the time
Well, obviously. The UNDERMINER IS STILL OUT THERE MAN!!! He took on Mr. Incredible, but then again they really Nerfed him in this movie. Eh, I still like the the 1st Incredibles a whole lot more
Because he wasnt the main char in this movie. Elastigirl was
@@kaiseremotion854 Elasta-girl wasn't the main character in the 1st film, but she got plenty of moments to shine as a Superhero.
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Rule 34.
Wait actually question, do you think that’s her actual body shape or is she stretching at all times to be more attractive?
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She natural THICC
Being a brother (to a sister no less) myself, you know waayyy more about your siblings than most would think. It would make perfect sense to me that he knew whos she used to be. But refused to have her arrested and ect. Because of course shes his sister. You can always kinda.. *tell* when your siblings up to some thing. No one spends more time with a child than their sibling. Whether they realize it or not, like it or not ect. It makes perfect sense that in some way shape or form they were in on it together
FINALLY Incredibles 2 theory!!!!😂👍
I mean the LEGO screen slaver showing Winston’s face under the mask just really shows how subtle this is
Just thought about this but he sounds like a fallout theorized with his speech and tone
I have a personal headcanon that has basically 0 support in the film that Winston was the screenslaver all along. In a truly Death note esque Misa and Light plot, he hypnotized his sister into taking the fall and also hypnotized her into hypnotizing him to remove the memory of his involvement until she was arrested, which explains why he's so confused at first but then completely nonchalant afterwards. He also at some point would have had to hypnotize her into forgetting she had done this.
Winston's sister turned against supers using hypno tech glasses for her own personal gain when jack jack break her spell freeing the supers to lift the ban of metro heroes aside.
Some safe rooms have a monitor in them that can show you any room in the house via a set of cameras, they could have seen it happen from the safe room
I think that he knew about the Screenslaver and staged it to make a villain Elastagirl could easily defeat to earn the people's trust about supers, but he didn't know about Helen's plan.
Yess
What if the true villain is just a concept or idea and not a person?
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So there can be Incredibles 3
U said in ur last Dama Fortuna video that Rumpel was screwed by Lillian’s family, but u never mentioned how. Here’s how I think he was:
Rumpel helped Lillian’s mother (aka the miller’s daughter) become royalty by spinning straw into gold (like in the original fairytale), but when it was time to collect the first born child (possibly Lillian Pendragon), the King banished him 2 the Crone’s Nest.
*Live_ evil has left the game*
I had rewatch it like 3 times and I noticed something .. you remember that little girl that had the sign that said “ Screenslaver is still out there “ well if you look at her eyes they’re about the same color as the goggles lens that Evelyn had on the superheroes at the end. So maybe Evelyn was controlling the little girl but with something else🤷🏽♀️
That flame in the intro reminds me the flame in the Ninjago season 1 intro
"If he was arrested too, then nobody would bail them out of prison..."
So, um...are you implying that Winston was the one controlling the supers when they stuck the goggles on Frozone? Or that Evelyn is completely mad?
Or did you completely overlook the fact that there is obviously someone else controlling the minds of the supers (Not Elastigirl, Mr. Incredible, or Frozone, as we see her controlling those three, I mean Void and Brick and the rest) as there would be absolutely no reason for Evelyn to have Voyd tell her something she already knew? (The scene where Voyd tells Evelyn "the kids escaped in a tricked-out car" paraphrasing)
Irrelevant note: the screens in the goggles, if there even are screens in the goggles, do nothing. When Void catches Violet in the hallway, she holds the goggles in front of Violet's eyes, and Violet stares directly into the "screen," before knocking the goggles away. Had there actually been screens in the goggles, she would have been hypnotized. More likely then not, there is a chip or something in the part of the goggle that sits directly above the ear that sends electrical impulses to the brain.
This could be completely wrong, as I've only seen the movie three times, but I figured more ideas, even wrong ideas, are better than me not speaking up.
This really reminds me of communications case 2. Sorry if you haven't heard of it but communications is a series of vocaloid songs. Case 2 is about a boy called kennith simmons (set in the 1980s, specifically 1987) who brainwashed an entire nation by broadcasting colorbars on TV (and he used sounds to brainwash people)
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Who are mr. Incredible's parents you should do what Siri like that or you should do a Serie of who is elastic girl's parents????
Good question and we don't know if they were supers or not and Lucius was confirmed to have discovered his powers when he was young though we don't know about bob and helen
Yeah this is about what I thought since the first time we viewed it
evelyn and his brother planned the first train incident to make elastigirl feel like she can really help by controlling THE issues she solves, knowing that she would 100% win, BUT Evelyn’s secret intention wasn’t to help supers rather than to use this method to make them look bad while her brothers was to make them look good.
Can’t wait for the next part!
You could have said that Incredibles 2 was incredible
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People's Republic of Taiwan AHAHAHAHA I laughed way too hard at this at 2 am. But you kept me from being scared, thank you...
this movie should have come out like, 10 years ago
Swagger Studios you do know how planning a story works?
@@gracekim1998 well sure but, what i mean is that the 1st movie came out like what, 12 or 14 years ago....,,,
im just saying this movie should have come out earlier
Yeah. I mean, this movie was great, but not “we needed 14 years to make it” great. Like, I kinda expected more out of a movie that took so long to make, but all I got was the Screenslaver......😂😂
Yeah after 14 year I was expecting more
Is it just me, or does Evelyn look drunk for most of the movie? XD
Actually here is what happened: Winston wanted to make Supers legal again so he and hes sister created screenslayer bracuse they wanted from elastigirl to find him and bring him to justice. They made a Pizza guy their supervillain. Everithing was acording to the plan and all was good. Winston got what he wanted but his sister had bigger plans. She wanted to revenge dad and in same time wanted to help his brother. She was basically waiting to see which thing will she do, she was waiting to see if elastigirl will find out, it would be jackpot. After Elastigirl concluded that pizza guy was acting Screenslayer it was Bingo for Evelyn and she could proceed with her plan. After her plan started to collapse as we know she even tried to get away with her brother beacuse she was thinking that Jacht will anyway crush on city and the heroes will be hated. Winston even asked her what she did? She said shes doing best for him. He finds out his sister betrayed him and their plan and jumps out of plane. He even didnt care that she is going to jail, hes plan was sucess after all. That is one evil man.
I think fangirl brushed on these topics too. Love it
The true villains of the incredibles is the people who make rule 34 pictures of them
So could he be the villain in The Incredibles 3? After all, when the Lego set for this movie came out, he was under the mask of the Screenslaver, which was strange.
Here's a theory for you. The crooks that went in and shot their dad, were actually hired to do so. I feel like no one really talks about it, but no one else thought it was a bit coincidental that the moment when super's were banned. A couple of crooks broke into a well-known supporter of supers and accidentally shot him when he went to the phone. Case in point the true villain of the next incredible movie might be the guy who called the hit.
Dxpower42 all of that is discussed in my upcoming government theory
The Theorizer really looking forward to seeing it, and thank you for replying.
I remember when I first watched this movie in theaters I thought screenslavers head looked like Winston’s
This would be a theory connecting syndrome and screensaver from the two movies. Since syndrome’s intellectual powers allowed him to control his henchmen like you had suggested in your incredibles videos, She might have based her technology off his powers after his defeat. I originally thought that they might be related due to their heightened intellect. The problem with this is that the timeline does not match up. Getting back to my theory, before she created her tech they both built up their parents company with her tech and Winston’s ability to sell things. She might have also idolized syndrome as a villain and their shared hatred towards the supers like syndrome idolized Mr.Incredible. I know that you have denied the fact that the she organized her parents murder but if she might have idolized syndrome and he hated heroes and her father loved them then due to her parents company she could easily hired robbers to kill her father with money. If you could make a video considering something similar to this then I would greatly appreciate it. I enjoy your videos quite a bit
Evelyn and Winston do not look like siblings, Evelyn looks like a dark-skinned Southern European? I can't see the family resemblance.
8:51 “screen-flavor”😂 I bet that would taste like static
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"Fact is, Screenslaver couldn't have done it without me." - Winston
The Theorizer I believe that the Underminer might've been a setup by either Winston or Evelyn herself. I say this since they know the supers very well and even Winston says in the movie "I LOVE SUPERHEROS". That kinda makes me think that Winston is trying his best to legalize superheroes and to present them as the good guys, but I agree that there's a more villianous side of Winston. Nice theory.
I think she became a super villain to put heroes back into the spot light. Winston knew this all along and thats why they left such obvious clues
I like how in your theory about syndrome is that both movies revolve around hypnosis
The Underminer was the true Villain in both films, his is considered the lowest threat of all the villains but they didn't catch him and he stole a lot of money and once again disappeared after beating the Incredibles. And as the dominos fall he gets to set back and watch as his plan to rule start to take shape!
I find it odd that Evelyn is obviously upset with her father and blames him for both of her mom and dad’s death. And how if the father had a safe room but instead both of them just stood there to get shot… and she surely has not so loving feelings about Winston. She seems cold towards him and it’s probably because she blames their father and Winston thinks he’s innocent. I think that Winston is evil himself but tries to hide it mainly due to the fact that he DID invent the Screenslaver Character and how he plans to get his sister out of jail. And that fact that he isn’t blaming his sister and just insured that he is going to get her out is suspicious itself. Going back to the parents death, here is my mini thought. So we know Evelyn and Winston are probably 15 -17 based on the parents age and how they look. And we also know that Evelyn hates supers and what’s worse than your father supporting something you hate the most? Yea so Evelyn could have hired the intruders to kill her father but then they accidentally killed the mom and so then that would explain how Evelyn know how it happened and when it happened and then she explained it to her brother who never suspected anything. Idk I think I went to far but it’s possible along with the fact that Winston could have also planned that death of their parents because again “ He wants to be the guy that brought supers out of hiding” gruesome ik but I’ve gotten used to the strange storyline of things…
IMHO he believed it was Evelyn because she was yanking him by the arm down a hallway, muttering like a wildwoman, and him being in the hallway instead of the presenting room was practically a confession in and of itself. That coupled with knowing her abilities as a scientist wouldn't have made it that far of a leap BUT I agree even then most people would have been at least more disgusted and not willing to comprehend their siblings behavior....unless their sibling had killed before? But even then they would at least say "You PROMISED you wouldn't do _______ anymore!" Which he also doesn't do.
I loved and hated throughout the movie that pixar intentionally made it seem like winston would be the bad guy, the way he spoke to the supers and his facial expressions kept that up, and it litterally had me like: Please dont turn out to be the villain.
but it would make good sense that he'd be the one to make up a fake villain so that the supers could get a good reputition again. Not that he'd have bad intentions about it, just a fanboy that wants his idols back in action, and with the money and resources to do so
Isn't it coincidental how the beginning of both movies always shows a minor antagonist escaping from Mr. Incredible? I also kinda have a theory where Incredibles 3 would be like a return of Syndrome and Screenslaver with Winston.
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I can't answer that one
i did surgery on a banana
@@mewmew9762 I hope that's ironic
@@theherst it is dont worry
Well. Now we gotta ask for Incredibles 3
also remember that winston told bob that he did a messy job. proving he knew about the underminer
I think they want to believe that Winston was the bad guy, but he wasn't it his sister all along .
The villain of Incredibles 2 is not hidden anymore because you just told us
fantastic
She looks almost exactly like Roxanne from megamind lol
YESS!!!! I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AS WELL. But, have you considered than when Winston jumps off of the plane and says "its for your own good, he was implying that he would have to bail her or distract? And another thing I noticed is that Winston somehow knows Violet on a first name basis and provided them with a house that HE OWNS. Yet Evelyn never seens to utilize the house despite being very modern and has no clue that jack-jack exists. Why wouldn't Winston tell Evelyn about the super children, or how does she not at least figure it out? And has anyone questioned where the big glass freeze room is? Even if it was at the Devor tower, why would they have an entire room dedicated to securing elastagirl? Also, this movie fits into the pixar theory as the time when machines are taking over, diretly after the Omnidroid. Isn't it a little strange that the two major villains of the Incredibles movies create a new step in the machines takeover? Coincidence? I think not
She knew about the super kids but I don't think she remembered Jack-Jack because she didn't think he had powers and thought he was unimportant so she didn't bother planning for him and just forgot he existed while she was planning everything else.
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Well... I told myself. " Good luck convincing me." By the end. " Can I subscribe again!?" * Rapidly presses subscription button* 😁😁😁💛
I knew it! Winston Dever is a bad guy!
More to come stay where you are we'll be right back.
Nice contrast from Winston and Evelyn they created in the movie. Evelyn using her technical skills to manipulate people but Winston uses his words just like Evelyn said in one of the scenes that he is good with people, he knows how to do the talking.
Not related to any theory but I just love how they showed difference between obvious manipulating and subtle manipulating that not even the supers or us caught onto.
I still need to watch Incredibles 2, but this is an amazing theory! 😄😁👍
I love your videos! Thank you!
Plus she probably spent BILLIONS of dollars and I bet Evelyn promised that he could sell it once she was done but she was lying (duh)
Still waiting for that once upon a time timeline.
The direct phoneline and safe room would be because they were rich and in the public. Rich people usually have extra security, especially if they're in the public eye, because people would be more likely to target them. Being the owner of a large company or being friends with super heros would put you in the public eye. The robbery was probably just a robbery. I don't think that someone would have hired them. As for the kids knowing what happened, there were probably security cameras in the house, or the mother told them what happened. I really don't think there is a deeper story there, but I might be missing something. I look forward to your next video.
Yo those slow motion, color filtered, showings of Winston actually gets me scared 😂
How come Winston just happened to be there when the Underminer showed up? _He must have planned it._
Evelyn reminds me of Roxanne Ritchi from Megamind
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What's interesting is that in your other video about the incredibles you mentioned that buddy controlled the people working on the island with mind control abilities inherited from his mother and making them do actions in his favour .
Well .... in the second incredibles it is obvious that the "villian" controlled superheroes by hypnotyzing them and making them do actions to make supers illegal .
So if they meant it or not , both movies use mind-manipulating geniuses as villains
I didn't realize.... I was thinking abt that at first, then after watching this vid, it was all a diversion, the whole thing was a frame-up!
Can't wait for the January video!
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