Special Effect Screen Printing with High Density Ink.
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Special Effect Screen Printing with High Density Ink.
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Film sticking... One of you mentioned baby powder, I didnt have any around the shop but it got me thinking differently, so I grab my silicone spray and apply a very light mist to the screen before placing it on the exposure unit and wahala films dont stick, and are in perfect shape, and the screen washes right out.
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I think my first reaction was don't pull front to back, rather change directions and pull side to side. Especially on such a small print area. Start high presure, let up towards the middle, then apply heavy at the end.
Trotzdem This: coat once from the garment side, then 4-6 times from the squeegee side, let ist dry overnight. Then coat the garment side again once with low pressure. Repeat this until you‘re satisfied :) its a very consistent Method after figuring out how the coating on coat works. You avoid the air bubbles and you will be able to build up a coat up to 400 micron and Even higher... you will also need More Tension on your screens... then you can work with less Offset what helps a lot to get crisp edges. And try another ink, use a normal plastisol white with some viscosity buster and you will get an even print. As a squeege set i Would hardly recommend 55/75/55 sh. Works the Best. Keep up the Great work 👊🏼
Trotzdem this? :D
I'm German and find that funny
Second High density attempt of the channel. It went better than the first, but I have a ways to go.
Hello Cam! Awesome video. You were right about the humidity. However, I use a hair blow dryer right before I expose a thicker coated screen. I hope this helps. Thank you for all your videos. Mike here from Island clothing (Guam)
Hey Cam, not sure if I missed or not but you also need either High Density Ink or high density additives so when printed it holds nice clean edges reason for 80 mesh being used.
At least a 400 micron capillary film it will make you life much easier. If you want liquitld emulsion like you said 20 time is just right
You also need to push around 2 floods so your ink is at the edge of the stencil
Print flash print and continue to your desired thickness
High density is definitely an art and when learning the process can get expensive as it is necessary to test alot until younger everything turned down. Good luck to everyone trying this it is rewarding one you get it down right.
I’ve been working with building high stencils at work & here’s some advice for you!: Do 1:1 regular coat, let dry, and then lay screen ink side down (substrate side up) & coat the screen with the screen LAYING DOWN after its completely dry. I know it sounds weird, but if you use masking tape to make a “border” around where the mesh meets the frame on all sides of the frame, put emulsion on the top strip of the tape & coat the screen from top to bottom onto another piece of masking tape on the opposite side of the frame. Dry again & keep repeating this process until you reached your desired thickness. Ink side of the screen doesn’t get coated again, just the outside (substrate) side does. Remove the tape after every coating process. You can coat more than just once too, bring the scoop coater (empty & laying down!!!) from the bottom piece of tape to the top & then from top to bottom again. This was really hard to describe, I can make a video of this method if you’d like. This method has worked for me for years & i just wanna pass it along!
sweet idea, I will give it a try on the next one
Can you make a video of this method ?
I have my shop in Florida and it's as hot as Phoenix but 100 times more humid so for sure you need the dehumidifier men!
on it
Im from St.Petersburg warehouse screen printing is hot this time of year
Even in all my years of printing I’ve never tried any high density. But I’ve always understood that using capillary film is the best way to create a really thick stencil.
Capillary also works for printing super thin. Just need to purchase the right thickness of film to pull it off to your desire.
Total ink solutions makes a high density plastisol ink . Also maybe you could pull squeegee horizontal instead to get even pressure. Or do vertical with a much wider squeegee and only use pressure on the sides past imprint area. Just a thought. I have no clue . Thanks Cam!!!!
Heck yea I need to try all that. Great tips
Making band shirts and your channel is the most informative we’ve come across. Kudos!
Scree tension was mentioned in another comment, that makes sense to me as far as the edge of the print being thicker than the center. I wonder if using a wider squeegee might help disperse the pressure more evenly, also getting your off contact a little closer so you aren't stretching the mesh to much in the center. Black ink seems to be thinner than other inks, so maybe thickening it up just enough that you can get it to clear the mesh but it still holds onto itself might help with building up the ink. Mesh with smaller micron threads like a sefar 123 might help you to clear a thicker ink, maintain smaller details and at the same time leave the print with a smoother finish. Sometimes realy soft or hard squeegees seam to work opposite of what intuition tells us, same with pressure. Great videos man, thanks.
I think you are right. will try on the next one.
Nice HD, and I'm liking the pink too.
Pink background is pure glam for the FAm.
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Trial and error man - I love it! Keep trying new stuff!
Im gonna do a follow up video, after I get the dehumidifier in. and some 80 mesh screens.
This awesome. Seems a lot of work but print is totally worth it. Can't wait until I give this a try later in the future. Still in the learning process. Btw, your video editing is getting awesome.
Thank you, I have a long way to go but its very cool if you can make it work. Your the best
OOOOOO! Adjusting the intro and format again!
Yea man, Doing the same one gets boring to me.
Great vid, that looks like a high density ring!!
Dude I figured it out now. video coming soon.
U need to get JESSY some disposable gloves boss! That way when he gets ink on his hands, he just removes the gloves and grabs news ones! That should prevent a lot of misplaced ink around your shop!!! Just a suggestion bud! And maybe u should do some sort of giveaway or get some big companies to sponsor you as a printer to be able to have some promotional handouts!! Keep up the good work Cam, your the shit!from Dave the wave out in OC cali!!
I for sure need to.
Maybe he should reach out to 3M to send him the gloves for Jesse, and give a few boxes away?.....lol
Nice man a lot of work went into that one . With all the respect in the world. Almost looked like vinyl. Lol keep on keeping on.
Just lightly print on the surface with hardly any pressure. That's the key. Plus use lower mesh count. Works.
have ever try decal sticky vinyl for stencil for solid colours and small runs
Sounds stupid I know but I had film sticking on thick coated screens and resorted to dusting the emulsion with baby powder before applying the film positive and hey presto it worked, worth a try on yours.
HAHA that aint a half bad idea. I will try that as well
Very interesting video . I love seeing this videos . First of all , all my comments are not intended to insult or put down any work . Everyone does whatever technique they are available . High density is not new at all . It has been around for more then 10 years ago ; therefore , the correct technique to print and and burn an HD screen is with Capilar Film . It is expensive , but the work is expensive too , so the charges to the customer are still good to make a profit . It will be too long how to explain how to stick Capilar Film on the screen . The ink plays the second most important thing on the game . The ink has to be modified by tickeners and additives . I have printed a good 500 microns is how you measure the HD performance treatment . Again this video is great ; However , is behind on the process close to more then 10 years ago . Time is money . Greeting from NYC !
I started using a dehumidifier while drying the screens you will see a difference on drying time and also how they come out. And in my little experience I found out that film sticks when screen is not dry enough.
Try pushing., Pushing tends to even out the squeegee pressure from the outside edges to the center.
we use the same ink and we put baby oil on the acetate so it wont stick
New video, hot off the presses!
Took me a nice long break, felt great.
That stand that you use to coat the frames with emulsion; did you make that or did you buy somewhere? I need one of those
You can get that bad boy on ebay for 10 bucks I think.
Hit up Marty at Chromaline and have him send you a sample of the ChromaLIME. I was using Saati's pink emulsion and the positives were sticking to the screen every time after exposure. Now that I've been using the ChromaLIME the positives do not stick at all.
I have the chromalime here, I used the pink stuff cause its so much thicker I figured it would create a thicker stencil, I will try the lime next time.
Use a film probably 200/250 micron thick film &you will surely get a even thick print
And also let the screen dry for 2/3 days in a dark room .before exposing dry again wa it a hair drier &your positive will not stick to the film.
You have to invest in a drying box
Also shouldnt the stencil should be built on the front of the screen not the back?
What type of exposure unit do you have?
Use soft pallets.. its what i do.. it works.
Hey Man, big fan of your channel. Maybe you could try using laser transparencies for just that test.
why wait 24 hours to let it dry, instead you can use dryer to dry it?
on HD prints learn abot theamount of microns , the more microns the thick the HD emulsion
Maybe use a little bit of puff addative
Just got my 220 screen from Amazon. Not printing on a shirt . What I'm doing has never been done before .
Yo! Great video, info, and commentary! Question- the end product looked a little jagged, was that a result of the design itself or this new high density process?
a bit of both, and I dont think I was printing correctly.
try to use a sponge, ptut some water in the sponge then lightly wipe off the design, then blow it some pressurize water a light mist
Your the best.
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Primeiras felicitações no canal
Eu gostaria de saber quais tamanhos de tela você usa.
Muito obrigado.✌️
what ink did you use?
Hello Print Life, first off I want to say this is an extremely informative video and I appreciate the work you are putting in.
I had a quick question and I'm not sure if I missed it in the video but I wanted to know what is the thread count of the Mesh screen you used to achieve the HD screen print finish?
I was looking around most forums are saying to use a 80-83 Mesh screen with a 70-71 Micron Thread.
Also if you could point me in the right direction in order to find that specific Mesh screen +Micron Thread frame, I would super appreciate that!
Hopefully this message reaches you! Again, Thank you for the video!
HOW TO DO THE COMPLETE CURE COMPLETE ???
What are the chemicals name ?
You need some HD additive and print flash print flash print flash print etc
Silicone ink.. make our life easier
It shouldn't be easier with a thick emulsion film
@21:40 LMAO.
I make the same juicy guitar rift face when I spray my screens also. Happens to the raddest of us, I guess.
Check our our High Density Additive. It will help.
baby powder on the stencils bro
Some one else told me the same thing that a great tip.
U need to get JESSY some gloves boss! That way when his sloppy ass gets ink on his hands he just remove the gloves and gets new clean ones which keep some of the e
Yea until he uses all the gloves up in one day lol. It's super hard to keep ur hands clean in a screen shop.
If I name this print “high density” my boss will destroy me
I go home n Ill have ink on my face...than I think how long n why didnt anyone tell me ink was on my face lol multiple times
Haha, I have shot entire videos with ink on my nose, forhead, beard, balls.
Your ink it is too soft, needs high density base real thick.
HAHAHA
Try This for hi build, i've used the 400 micron. shop.chromaline.com/super-phat-film/ Its a thick film you stick to the screen with emulsion. I spent a lot of time trying to build up to that depth with emultion on ist own and it always failed. This stuff stays on for months of constant use.
Oops, cant spell emulsion corektly...i mean korectly......cant spell emulsion good.
Also , for the print stroke , do one or two forward push floods to fill the stencil up and for the print stroke do it as if your buttering a piece of toast. you dont want to barely feel the board and low like 20 degrees with a squeegee that protrudes from the handle maybe a bit more than yours does. Release the ink from the stencil dont print it down. I'll stop replying to my own comments now.
You have ink on your beard starting @20:50...lol
This is great. From the thumbnail, cinematography, editing, to the content. Well done sir...
Thanks Matt. You da man!
@@ThePrintLife Any time bro! Keep 'em coming!
Could the screen tension have more to do with the thickness of the print in the middle? My experience is that if the screen has a lower newton that the edge will be tight but the center sags and has less off contact. Just my thoughts.
For sure. The tension on these old ass screen was like 12 newtons, Im gonna make another vid with fresh 80 mesh screens, That should help.
Good HD Ink and HD Emulsion will cure the majority of these problems. HD printing is all in the process, weaknesses in your daily process will be exposed, once you conquer HD your prints as a whole will gain the benefit of it
Hey man, good work.
I can help you with that. Get the propper emulsion, which is thicker, and do 1/8 coats.
And get Wilflex sculpture base ;)
You will love the results!
I can do video on this if you're interested.
And also, you cant do high density with print/flash/print. You have to make over 5 layers, sometimes 8 :)
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Local Print Shop - PLEASE do a video on this :)
Nice One Cam, I've got one in the oven right now, can't wait to try it out. I'm coating and drying / coating and drying on the print side.
sweet let me know how it goes. You gonna make a video?
I still havent cracked one decent screen your much calmer than I am...I have just stopped trying too busy this week for the let down of screen printing. I appreciate everything you have shown on your channel and the extra time you take to show us and learn.
Using baby powder on the film. It won't stick to the screen
I heard this a few tine now. So smart I that never crossed my mind.
Dust the film with clear enamel spray paint
You should try waterbased ink... I'm wondering if a quick blast of a heat gun would pop the bubbles forming in the dammed (damned?) emulsion, like what is done with an epoxy pour.
I'm so happy your back to making videos again. Really like the way that print came out of the dryer. I feel like this is a technique that could set your business apart from other screen printers once you master it.
I think so, Check out Mad Specials on instagram, He is the master of High Density.
OOOo nice! It looks good
Well try dear
You should check for screen stencil film theres a bunch of different micron sizes... You put it on the screen and then apply the emulsion and what this make is to create a gap that will hold the ink to make the hd print without having to be coating 20 times the screen... Also use hd ink... And by flashing and printing it will be creating a sharp and high print... The more flash and print the higher it will be
I looked into the they seems like the best option but they are soooooo expensive.
I have had that same issue. I solved it by cooling the screen after drying. I use a drying cabinet. If they are too hot it may stick to the stencil. Even if the room is too warm that could happen. Just a thought
Try to use a little heat below the screens, it will speed up the process and ensure proper drying, here we use a greenhouse to dry the screens, because for the working coat we can not wait a whole day to dry, we also use a purple emulsion, I don't know if you have access there, but the process we use to emulsify is the same as yours, congratulations on the videos, greetings from Brazil
I will try this. Your the best
Yeah I had probs with my films sticking. I just put a lil space heater in them for a few min before I burned and cleared it right up. You can dry the emulsion quick as hell too right after coating if it’s in a small area. I have a small boxed in cart. Dries them quick 🤙
Try adding a puff additive
good idea.
Hello Cam! If you're up to continue your quest for High Density Ink how about you try out a softer rubber for your squeegee? I think the one you used was very hard and sharp. Also I'd try something more crazy perhaps. Your rubber is from one side sharp but from the other round yes? Turn it from the round side and try again. Creating a space with emulsion between your mesh and the fabric in this it's the colour that basically stay on the fabric. So you had to let as more colour as possible with less prints that's why I propose this 2 ways. Keep up the good work!
Good tips, will try softer squeege with rounder blade
Why didn't you score the edge with a blade before peeling off the cardboard?
hola Cam! Mejor utiliza una malla de 43 hilos por centímetro cuadrado y utiliza poca carga de emulsión ,eso borrará cualquier imperfección en el estampado ,luego le das estampado ,flash ,estampado,flash estampado, y por último flash cure y continuación al horno
HU???
Need to use 80 mesh
Will do.
Have you tried High Density Capillary Film, I think it would take the stress out of making the emulsion film yourself. Do you need special inks for this process?
I want to use it, but ouch its so expensive.
I am new to this whole thing, but what if you went from left to right with the squeegie instead of far to near? less width space for the squeegie to be able to bow in the middle...Could use a narrower one...? Hope Im explaining this well enough.. sorry... Amazing videos.. now a subscriber...
enjoyed this and watching you work through it and demonstrating the importance of jumping in and figuring it out on the fly. Cool stuff. Once you train Jesse I am visualizing high density fingerprints in the garbage bag area ...
HAHA yup, regular ink splatter will be replaced with denser high density splatters. ah messy people.
CCI carries a high density emulsion.
Il check it out to, I have more marukami HS on the way.
Rad documentary style experimental video Cam, so when you gonna experiment a split fountain high density? 😉...that would look awesome! keep up the great work dude.... 🖼👕⚡🤘
Hell Yea that would be sweet, I will split fountain the next one.
I'm not an expert but denser ink should help
I agree. someone just mention total ink has high density ink just for such processes
Good sh!t bro. Print looks dope af. I got a cheap dehumidifier from amazon for my dark room and it def helps with the stickyness.
Nice, Im getting one this week.
I wonder what would happen if you heatpress a high density print.
It might squish flat I think, maybee
Hey man, I need some help please. I'm using ecotex plastisol ink an I cure it to the temp requirements, an then I washed my first shirt to assess the quality, an the ink cracked during wash. What am I doing wrong? I wont sell junk. I make sure I'm selling a good product that has longevity.
That sounds under cured to me. Maybe let the print dwell longer at 320 degrees
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Use baby powder on the film. It stops it from sticking
what kind of hose is that you use in your washout booth?
Cam thanks for explaining this process!!! ⚡⚡⚡⚡
I tried and failed, next vid I will succeed.
Just thought from the begginer..
Isn´t better to use ink with 3D effect? U print it, heat it and it will rise a bit :)
Or it is not the main goal to make it "3D"?
That would be awsome if it only raised up. I dont want it to spread out though. I like the hard edge. I have some high density additive here I will try that next time and see what it does.
@@ThePrintLife Ah, that makes sense :) . I have never worked with 3d ink so I dind´t know it is spreading even to the sides. Ty for the answer btw.
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You can save emulsion by coating only part of the screen your going to use. We did that for big screens with small artwork.
For high density we use 80 mesh or even 110 with looser screens for high density, 60 duro squeegees, and tilt the squeegee further down on the second and third pass. Getting the squeegee closer to horizontal as your hitting it than vertical (vertical being the blade hitting it directly downward and handle pointing directly up.)
Also, we used thicker inks that flow less.
It can be done with 110 for sure though. Keep at I bud I love your channel btw.
To get a thicker design...could I just layer the screen prints themselves and flash dry them inbetween layers with the heat gun? Also would I use plastisol ink? I feel like water based ink wouldn't have a thick effect because it soaks into the fabric.
Fair fucking play my man - you’ve been wanting to figure this high density stuff out for a while and it’s cool to see you work it out step by step like this 👍🏻
Dude thanks for video ! ı have a question for you , is it possible to make high density and transfer print together in the same place ?ı mean really close together ??