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  • @pingsunday
    @pingsunday  7 років тому +4

    Read more at: pingsunday.com/third-ball-attack-table-tennis/

  • @abdursask
    @abdursask 7 років тому +36

    We really appreciate the effort you put into making these valuable and informative videos. Thank u Coach

  • @parthsavyasachi9348
    @parthsavyasachi9348 Рік тому +2

    I must say that your videos are most thought provoking and the side of table tennis that no one touches.
    When i learned table tennis 30 years ago, someone showed me how to hold the bat. Thats the only thing i learned from any coach. Rest i practiced.
    If i had someone teaching me all this i would have gone long way. I managed very good even without this knowledge but it would be great to enhance the game.

  • @blueeyednick
    @blueeyednick 7 років тому +12

    YES love you man
    That's exactly what I'm saying, table tennis is not a physical problem its'a mental problem.

  • @gulhermepereira249
    @gulhermepereira249 7 років тому +3

    You're now my personal coach, thank you very much for all your effort to put this awesome content in a very good English pronunciation. Xie xie

  • @yasirkaisy1178
    @yasirkaisy1178 7 років тому +11

    i am from iraq..your languege is very good and i can undrestand what do you saied ... and i am very happy for your notes and benefit from it to develope my self ... thank you very much my freind

  • @aznrule4life
    @aznrule4life 7 років тому +19

    rolling the ball off the table and hitting the ball right after it fall off is not about spinning the ball. It is to help player conquer the fear of hitting your racket at the table. When you get a long serve that bounce right off the edge, most player scare to loop it because they afraid to hit the table. That was how my coach taught me.

    • @desert1987
      @desert1987 7 років тому +1

      aznrule4life thats b.s

    • @aznrule4life
      @aznrule4life 7 років тому

      hitting off the edge is hard. just a slightly wrong calculation can make you loop the table instead of the ball lol.

    • @abdelrahmanali1395
      @abdelrahmanali1395 7 років тому +1

      aznrule4life Your coach is right 🖒

    • @desert1987
      @desert1987 7 років тому

      aznrule4life sorry i take back my words

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому +6

      good point. A long serve that bounce right off the edge is a "semi-long serve". but that is another topic, not the "3rd ball attack"I mean. A better training to attack the "semi-long serve" is topspin on the table. The coach serves semi-long ball, and asked the player to flip, to attack at the edge. But don't roll the ball like the video, it's not the real situation in match.

  • @JAYDEV402
    @JAYDEV402 7 років тому

    Nicely Explained, coach! The biggest change, i will make is i will incorporate the third ball attack with service. Most of the time, i used to do this practice by multiballls, but now i will change it... Thanks a lot!

  • @DanthemanYT3
    @DanthemanYT3 7 років тому +1

    Hi EmRatThich!
    I love your videos and they really help me!
    I am trying to get in to the school table tennis team and I have been considered. However, in April, they have decided to run a year group competition. I am struggling with my service and defensive play. Please can you give me tips or make a video on how to improve this two aspects of my game. I am a right handed attacking player.
    Thanks for your videos!

  • @lildavey09
    @lildavey09 7 років тому +1

    Hen hao, xie xie!! Very well made video, I appreciate the clarity of the explanations

  • @adalbertopereira836
    @adalbertopereira836 3 роки тому

    Mas um ótimo conteúdo. Essa visão chinesa faz muita mas muita diferença. Só tenho que agradecer ao professor por decifrar essas técnicas de maneira simples e objetiva. Ah e obrigado pela legenda em português 👏👍

  • @madanvenkat
    @madanvenkat 7 років тому

    Hi Emrat, your coaching videos have helped me to improve my game in very short time that people are amazed by my improvement. I want to thank you so much for that. I hope you make a video only regarding serves and setup serves, which will be really helpful. while transferring weight to front leg during service, I make the mistake and I am not able to make the ball bounce twice on opposite site of table as professional players do. Please help 😊

  • @attor90
    @attor90 7 років тому

    I Am really appreciated for your effort of making this beautiful videos I enjoy them

  • @Человекмира-у8с
    @Человекмира-у8с 11 місяців тому +1

    please, make video about 3 ball attack) if watch match between professional player, they often make mistake on 3 ball attack ( especially if they make difficult serve ). If i make simple serve (float serve, backspin serve l) , my 3 ball attack very good, but if i make pendulum serve or backhand serve i often miss my topspin, because not understand what kind of spin i recieve

  • @dragonsan5906
    @dragonsan5906 7 років тому

    Many things can be learned for this video!!!! 👍👍

  • @windsorhunk
    @windsorhunk 7 років тому +6

    I'm neither a canon nor a machine gun, a handgun at best. If I'm steady & focused, I may hit the target, but will need to reload (break) every now n then. And when I'm out of bullets (exhausted), I use the butt (block).

  • @ruelgrubio
    @ruelgrubio 6 років тому

    Very unselfish of you coach! Thank you :)

  • @dimashevchenko1360
    @dimashevchenko1360 7 років тому +1

    Great channel, learn alot

  • @dannyberona671
    @dannyberona671 7 років тому

    Can you do a video of minor adjustments for juniors and the differences between smaller players such as Harimoto Tomokazu and taller players such as Dima Ovtcharov

  • @dcgarg2895
    @dcgarg2895 7 років тому +1

    Really appreciating

  • @Ngllooodod
    @Ngllooodod 7 років тому

    hi EmRat please could you make a video on what the backhand and forehand grips are and how you change your grips for flicks

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      you play shakehand or penhold?
      See my videos about the grip, there are 4 videos in a series.

    • @Ngllooodod
      @Ngllooodod 7 років тому

      shakehand

    • @themyii
      @themyii 7 років тому +1

      Just simply make a video about how to chose a bat for beginner / interm player. Yopu have 12234 questions about it and your video about equipment is not very clear with all the rubber and stuff.

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      yes, after the technique videos, I will make the equipment video next week.

    • @themyii
      @themyii 7 років тому

      Great news, thx coach. If you search on UA-cam their is no real and complete video about the equipement. Especially with the new plastic ball. Merci pour votre travail EmRatThich. Je vais attendre votre vidéo avant d'acheter ma nouvelle raquette pour la reprise.

  • @Человекмира-у8с
    @Человекмира-у8с 11 місяців тому +1

    Coach, when I serve simple serve ( float, backspin serve) I easily make 3 ball attack , but when I make sidespin, I often lose point, what I must do

  • @nawanview1122
    @nawanview1122 3 роки тому

    Thank you coach 🙏

  • @themyii
    @themyii 7 років тому +4

    Thx for all your videos coach EmRatThich. I want to start table tennis again after 18 years without playing, i was thing about Stiga allround classic blade, FH: Jupiter 1.8 and for my BH i dont know, some advice me target air tec or moon pro. My physical condition is not that good so i have to restart slowly and i want to feel the ball. Can you please advice me coach ?

    • @hayvantv4210
      @hayvantv4210 6 років тому

      I use moon pro is good rubber but is euro-china mixed rubber

  • @eloimumford5247
    @eloimumford5247 6 років тому

    I learn a lot with your videos , tough i am still afraid to attack by fear of missing my shot ...what do you suggest to beat this fear ? ....i know practice , but i mean mentally.

  • @NEBUSOKU_RYMAN
    @NEBUSOKU_RYMAN 7 років тому +3

    I have to improve my service.
    Thank you !

  • @jeremiaheddy9262
    @jeremiaheddy9262 Рік тому

    Hi... coach Iam from Indonesian my I ask you ?
    What drills are needed for the 3rd ball? I like to get confused by the result of spin serves returning to my court and turning after touching in my area.

  • @jimilthakor3798
    @jimilthakor3798 6 років тому

    Plz make a video on feeling of ball...👍

  • @connormagatogia6866
    @connormagatogia6866 7 років тому

    What spin or serve would be most effective for a 3rd ball attack? Because as we can see with the backspin serve by Wang Liquin in the video is effective but controllable but so is the Schlagers' sidespin heavy backspin variation signature serve yet it is quite easy to attack.

  • @petersnizek4700
    @petersnizek4700 7 років тому +1

    excellent video

  • @andypantelimon3123
    @andypantelimon3123 7 років тому +3

    Does LGL still have short pips?

  • @PaulCMHan
    @PaulCMHan 7 років тому

    Great Topics Indeed. But how to set up service for 3rd ball attack is my concern?
    Can you deal with this topic later? Thanks always Coach EmRatThich !

    • @canicetang8837
      @canicetang8837 7 років тому

      You must have an effective service with a lot of variations. First off, your serve must be low and short with many variations of spins. Study your opponents strengths and weakness would be crucial to incorporate and 'dictate' your style of play and attack.
      Placements of the services are extremely important to expect a way of return from your opponent. The serve is crucial as it is the 'only' shot you impart the method of spin and placement to the opponent. The key is to make sure your opponent is hamstrung by the quality of the spin, height of the bounce of the ball at 'both' yours and your opponent's side of table to force a return error from your opponent. Of course, you cannot out right hitting a third ball attack if the situation is not going to arise.
      Always do you best serves throughout the game and have a surprise fast long serve to keep your opponent guessing. It is important to have a strategy before you serve and think of the alternatives when the opponent returns the ball. If you can't do a third ball attack if the return is good, can you be patient and set up another shot to force an error from your opponent? However, when the chance presents itself, then go for it! You will know the green light to attack when the ball is slow enough, not a lot of spin and at the height where you are comfortable to kill or loop-kill the ball. In order to do this, your footwork is at the most crucial. Can you have an outright winner or you need another shot to do so? That depends on your mentality, confidence, ability, and most importantly, to make sure your opponent cannot return a quality return. Even the best professionals would be occasionally block by their opponents for an outright winner of their own.
      Top players spend a lot of time to honing just their serves and often adding variations, such as spins, speed and placements. If you have the confidence to do this well, then you can use the serve to force errors from your opponent. As Coach EmRatThich said regarding how Coach Liu GuoLiang had all the playing experiences to keep his best players guessing at the returns.
      Just remember, it is not important to third ball attack for an outright winner when the opportunity does not present itself. An effective short-short is just as important. Sometimes, depends on where your opponent is, side-spins shorts away from the longest distance is just as effective. For example, if your opponent is leaning to the backhand side, then dump the ball low and away to the forehand side and the same with the reverse. The point of forcing an error from your opponent is to give him/her much less time to set up for he/she wanted to give you a much better chance in winning the point. It does not have to be a full out attack on the third ball because that all depends on you dictating your strength to your opponent's weakness.
      Hope that helps!

    • @chadchamplin01
      @chadchamplin01 7 років тому

      Canice Tang I have a few questions. I'm really new to the sport. 2 months. I've been playing about 5 times a week. I play with a few guys who play the rules loose. they serve hard low and deep on the table by lightly tossing the ball into the bat as they serve. only answer I sometimes get is a hard backspin chop. but I'm 1 for 5 on that. should I even bother because it's a not by the rules serve? my second question is if I really want to start playing should I try and find a coach?

    • @canicetang8837
      @canicetang8837 7 років тому

      +Chad Champlin Hello Chad. Before I can go on further. Can you explain by "playing the rules loose"?
      First of all, regardless of what sport you are playing in. You must follow the "rules". A proper serve as described by the ITTF rules. The server must:
      1. Place the ball (ITTF approved, 40mm ball, hopefully a minimum 3 stars for the highest quality) at the 'palm' of the ball tossing hand.
      2. The toss must be straight up, minimum 6 inches in height and let it drop without any spin.
      3. The server can contact the ball at or below the tossing height with the racket.
      4. The ball must contact on the server's side of the table once and then the opponent's side of the table once before the receiver can return the ball back to the server's side of the table.
      A 'let' or re-serve can be allowed if 1-4 is done correctly and the ball touches the top of the net and bounce it at the server's side of the table.
      Of course, a missed serve is a loss point. But any infraction of 1-4 would result in a warning by a referee, then a penalty point awarding to your opponent with a yellow card. Subsequent infractions would be two points with a red. Three points with a red and yellow following by a match penalty of expulsion.
      The point is, what is the fun of playing if no one is following the 'rules', correct?
      You can find out by www.ittf.com/handbook. They will have all the information you will need.
      Now, speaking of the serve. Most beginners will tend to serve the ball long and low. However, if they are constantly doing that. Then the best way is get adjust your feet and stand a little bit away from the table. This will give you 2 important advantages:
      1. You will have more "time". Time is crucial for you to set up your shots. The more time you have, then you can adjust your footwork and your position for the proper shots you needed. The ultimate key in winning Table Tennis is to give yourself as much time as possible to decide your shots and strategy for the point. At the same time, giving your opponent the complete opposite.
      2. By standing a bit away. The ball will not be cramped to your forehand or backhand. It is important to keep your entire body loose until the moment of contact with the ball. That way, the speed of the ball will ultimately decrease and you can find your shots more effectively.
      There are many shots to counter that serve. For your backhand, you can hard chop but do so away from the table so your backspin can be generated more effectively. Also if there is not a lot of spin, then you can turn and 'side-spin' the chop which will be even more effective. As you are buying more time with the slower chop. Also the deceptive side spin, once hit the table on your opponent side, will swerve away from his/her zone and he/she must do the reverse to counter the spin you generated.
      Also, if the height is somewhat at the table height. You could also loop the ball back with your forehand or backhand. Note, since you are stepping away from the table. You will have more time to decide if you want to do so with your backhand, or step around to counter with a medium loop as a set up for a heavy one to return. For a beginner, you might want to try a different situation or have your friend doing the same serves over and over again until you are comfortable with your hitting points.
      Speaking of the coaches. Depends on where you are, it is really not that cheap. There are lots of good coaches who were championship calibre levels internationally. Also, table tennis is no longer an affordable sport and it does take a lot of hard work and practice to be efficient at it.
      As a beginner, it is important to learn how to play by the rules first. Then finding out what kind of racket you are comfortable with (Shakehand or Penhold). As well as developing your playing style after mastering a variety of skills required. Only then, you can have your comfort zone and if you are serious enough about the sport. Join a club, play with players who has similar skills, play with a robot if you can't find a partner to hone your skills, and ask for a coach who can best suit your needs.
      Remember, don't look at people with their fancy rackets and so-called expert rubbers. Coach EmRatThich is right, unless you can develop your fundamentals as in your footwork, skills, strategy and mental capacities. You will still struggle with a $400 Blade, $200 Rubbers, plus all the extras that might make you look good, but do very little for you.
      Keep watching Coach EmRatThich, he has excellent ideas which is quite different from coaching philosophies of the Western style playing.
      Good luck!

    • @kennycheng7341
      @kennycheng7341 7 років тому

      I watch a video of Shifu(I'm chinese so I understand it) and it explains the importance of the toss for the serve. Even though the rule of the game says a "straight up" toss, not many empires enforce that and almost all professionals don't do that. A good serve must have a good toss, which is one that has a slight trajectory towards your body. This is because it is the best spot to contact the ball and allows minimal exposure of your contact point to your opponent. Also, for the best and most stable toss up of the ball, use your arm(not wrist) and center of gravity of your body to toss the ball up. The wrist is too unstable because you want every toss up of the ball as similar as possible. I think that is an example of "playing the rules loose".

    • @chadchamplin01
      @chadchamplin01 7 років тому

      Canice Tang you don't have to throw the ball up inthe palm of you hand so they throw the ball away from the table into their paddle makes for a really low fast deep service. I usually have to stand 3 feet away from the table just to react. I most of the time have to play the ball underneath the table. which makes for an easy attack if I manage to get the ball back over.

  • @jghfk137
    @jghfk137 7 років тому

    i am always confused about the question of what spin to use in the setup serve, to control the direction of the return. would it be right to say that the spin of a pendulum sidespin serve would make the return more likely go to the backhand and a reverse pendulum would be more likely be returned to the forehand? if yes, why did ryu seung min for example prefer a serve that is more comparable to the pendulum serve? was it because he was more comfortable attacking from the backhand corner with a steparound forehand than simply attacking on the forehand side?

  • @risto5896
    @risto5896 6 років тому

    coach what do you think about that zhang jike is ranked 70 with the new system and can you please make the footwork pattern 4 video By the way i really enjoy your videos

  • @iraklialasania3258
    @iraklialasania3258 3 роки тому

    Well done

  • @frenchtt4761
    @frenchtt4761 4 роки тому

    Good video Thanks! But I'm chopper...,and I think It's usefull

  • @ELBDaniyaalAhmadKhan
    @ELBDaniyaalAhmadKhan 7 років тому

    please tell me to return forehand sidespin or topspin by forehand

  • @wyyantkk
    @wyyantkk 7 років тому

    nice to train.thx.

  • @mateuszq9985
    @mateuszq9985 7 років тому

    Nice video

  • @jignamistry1777
    @jignamistry1777 6 років тому

    Which serve can I do for perfect 3rd ball attack

  • @jeezyman1871
    @jeezyman1871 7 років тому

    thank you!

  • @rakibhasan1634
    @rakibhasan1634 7 років тому +2

    What is the difference between power and speed ?

    • @knotwilg3596
      @knotwilg3596 7 років тому +9

      As he explains in his video, "power" means applying the force to generate speed & spin into a shot. "Speed" is more about what happens in between shots: anticipation, readiness, reaction speed and making very quick connections between shots.
      The metaphor of "canon" and "machine gun" is very well chosen: a canon strikes a single powerful blow, while a machinegun fires many bullets with lower impact but in quick succession.
      I used to be confused myself, since power induces speed into the ball and so I could not distinguish. Now I understand that speed relates to quickness of the body, not to speed of the ball.

    • @dragonsan5906
      @dragonsan5906 7 років тому

      Dieter Verhofstadt awesome bro thanks for the explanation...!!

  • @ahmadsyafiqnajwanali688
    @ahmadsyafiqnajwanali688 7 років тому +1

    The most successful 2nd ball attacker is..Fan Zhen Dong.

  • @majluke
    @majluke 7 років тому +3

    Dear Emrat I've submitted Croatian translation, yet not sure how to view it.

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      Wow, thank you Roby ^^
      Published!

    • @majluke
      @majluke 7 років тому

      Dear Emrat, could you republish it? I've made some changes..

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому +1

      yes, done :)

    • @majluke
      @majluke 7 років тому

      Thanks mate.

  • @The_Paddle_Smith
    @The_Paddle_Smith 7 років тому

    What is meant by "speed with transitions"?

  • @dcgarg2895
    @dcgarg2895 7 років тому +1

    Is there any 2nd ball attack

  • @jefftimmerberg193
    @jefftimmerberg193 7 років тому +1

    Thank you for the informative video. A quick note to improve your English: The first syllable of secret is pronouced "see", Like I see you. SEE-cret

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      +Jeff Timmerberg thank you jeff. see. cret

    • @jefftimmerberg193
      @jefftimmerberg193 7 років тому

      You help us with Table Tennis, we help you with English. That's the agreement, right? :)

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      yes. It's fair :)

  • @nhutsaigon
    @nhutsaigon 6 років тому

    Em thích thiệt !

  • @도현김-h8t
    @도현김-h8t 7 років тому

    Good

  • @romelcarter9886
    @romelcarter9886 7 років тому

    nice llove it

  • @laimanakhiri9684
    @laimanakhiri9684 7 років тому

    Coach, Mr Shifu speak Chinese or Korean?

  • @ExtremeGameTT
    @ExtremeGameTT 7 років тому

    Hello, i have a question for you: ¿Do you think is important training with a robot?
    Regards from Colombia

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому +1

      Yes, if you have a good robot, profit it. It's like your coach. Do drills and training the moving pattern. Your level will improve quickly if you train regularly.

    • @ExtremeGameTT
      @ExtremeGameTT 7 років тому +1

      Thanks a lot, some robot that can you recomend?

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому +1

      actually, we are using Newgy Robo-Pong 2050 Table Tennis Robot, this one is very good.

    • @ExtremeGameTT
      @ExtremeGameTT 7 років тому +1

      Thanks again, one last question, are you a trainer in your country? (by the way, where do you live?)

    • @pingsunday
      @pingsunday  7 років тому

      yes, I'm actually a table tennis coach in France. I coach young players (junior)

  • @GTA-gk8ox
    @GTA-gk8ox 7 років тому

    What do you mean with big step & small step? Please explain that? Sorry for my bad English...

  • @maheshh989
    @maheshh989 7 років тому

    Coach can you show yourself playing table tennis please please please please???????

  • @technicalknight4794
    @technicalknight4794 7 років тому

    Please upload some videos in hindiii

  • @jayb391
    @jayb391 2 роки тому

    He wasn't going to give her a mercy point at match end... very unsportsman like.

  • @pankajtanwar4296
    @pankajtanwar4296 6 років тому

    I love tt

  • @minhphucvu9951
    @minhphucvu9951 6 років тому

    Nói thật nhé.Nhận xét chung chung.ko có trọng tâm.Ví dụ nhé như điểm tiếp xúc,cách phát lực làm sao để lấy lực từ chân,điểm tiếp xúc ở đâu,lqmf sao để đủ ma sát và lực,lwmf sao để đong đo đong đếm biết quả bóng thiếu lực hay thiếu xoáy để bổ xung cho bóng.chấm hết.THÂN

  • @ДмитрийРодной
    @ДмитрийРодной 7 років тому

    Сооl)

  • @Heunjx
    @Heunjx 7 років тому +3

    Is there a 4th ball counter attack? Haha

  • @blueeyednick
    @blueeyednick 7 років тому

  • @VadiKMEN
    @VadiKMEN 6 років тому

    БУЗОВА ОДИН ХРЕН ВСЕХ ПЕРЕИГРАЕТ))))

  • @BilguunsparKO
    @BilguunsparKO 7 років тому +2

    every single video is this guy just trashing on EU or other regions and praising chinese table tennis . china is the best others suck don't know how to play . we get it ok ? just get to the point there is no need to repeat this in every single video

    • @knotwilg3596
      @knotwilg3596 7 років тому +7

      1. Asian mentality in coaching is more direct and stricter than Western mentality
      2. this channel indeed focuses on the differences between China & the rest of the (western) world in table tennis philosophy. Sometimes he overemphasizes or exaggerates the point. But Chinese TT is superior (maybe by sheer number) so indeed it will usually be at the detriment of Western TT.

    • @alfredw.f1445
      @alfredw.f1445 7 років тому +7

      Learn from the best and you get better, and if you want to be mediocre keep watching another Chanel.

  • @Ngllooodod
    @Ngllooodod 7 років тому

    sorry but the vids dont help me