How would NewEgg/Howl's anyclick attribution work if, as the MegaLag video demonstrates, Honey overwrites the tracking cookie? How will you compensate a LinusTechTips clickthrough when there is no evidence of the buyer using LTT affiliate link if the cookie doesn't show an LTT reference because it was overwritten? Your video sounds more like a Howl ad than a correction/clarification of MegaLag's video.
No Howl had issues with paying influencers on time. The it doesn't get rid of the cookie just because the link is different, it just changes the last click attribution. Which is why Honey would still get paid. Newegg isn't the only one either this works with Rakuten rewards and Howl on best buy as well
@@JimJones-kj8jk Just as he said above. Also, this video exposes the retailers because they know about this issue and don’t want to fix it because it’s cheaper to pay Honey than the influencer.
So, what you are saying is that online retailers have the ability to fix this issue, but don’t because it’s cheaper to pay honey than the influencer? Regardless, it doesn’t make it right for companies like Honey to basically steal commissions, but the retailers are somewhat guilty as well.
Correct for the most part, like I said in the video it's cheaper because you pay these companies very little commission compared to influencers. And as an influencer it's hard to ask viewers not to click Rakuten rewards or honey, because it gives viewers money back.
@@UA-camTechGuy Retailers are essentially leaving the doors open with the keys inside but asked thieves not to steal it. While we are rightly mad at the thief (Honey and others), we should also force retailers to change.
@UA-camTechGuy so newegg had no affiliation or deal in the backend to offer controlled coupons/discounts to newegg customers through honey? I know you weren't sponsored directly by Honey. But as a newegg spokesman, you're likely just doing damag control before video 2 and 3 come out.
It doesn't change the link, it changes the cookie. The link in the browser URL bar for your active tab is unchanged. How attribution works would depend on which of those pieces of information the website uses for determining who to credit for the sale, potentially along with other things neither of us is aware of. This video is very specifically limited to how NewEgg does it (i.e. the thing he has firsthand experience with), not attribution in general.
Lmfao. Yeah sure, Honey changes the referrel link; but thankfully, it might not always be able to steal the commission. That was the point of this video. Maybe take a few comprehension lessons before posting your take on the Internet again
I was about to post the same thing. It's worse, not worst. Worse implies if you thought this was a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10 its actually a 6 or 7. Worst implies that this is so much more 10 than 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Its like saying something Orange is orangest. Or something blue is the bluest. It really doesn't make any sense. Its like calling a plate of spaghetti the spaghettiest spaghetti that ever spaghettied a pasta noodle and tomato sauce.
@@UA-camTechGuy - It's been more than an hour. How long does it take to click through Creator studio and make a simple change? It could have been done in the time it took me to write this reply.
@cbirdman so why the cookie then? in a world where every cookie can cause a lawsuit it sure has a purpose. And (at least in the video) I didn't see a session cookie. How does it track the clicks?
@@RoterFruchtZwerg I don’t know Howl works, but inferring from the video, it provides the influencer with an affiliate link that uses an “any click” cookie that way both parties get credit. Regardless, it can be done correctly but is reliant on the retailer to do it. Which is not likely for most since it’s cheaper for them to pay Honey than the influencer. Honey is the thief, but it’s not being deterred by using these more secure methods.
This is a long running issue, LTT supported Honey from 2017 to 2022, when exactly did Newegg change the attribution to be dynamic instead of last click?
@@UA-camTechGuy Interesting, so if I understand correctly under dynamic attribution the affiliate commission is shared across all the recorded visits to the merchant in the last few days? Is the howl commission sharing algorithm documented anywhere? i.e. How does it split the commission? Can the merchant decide/set how the split works?
So basically, if a website cares at all about its partners and affiliates then, if it uses last click attribution, it should NOT allow honey or any of the other coupon code sites to be an affiliate with them.
Never installed any of these because I thought they would "just" mine my data. Who knew it was even worse. All these add-ons have to be increasing prices of products we buy.
Yes I thought everyone knew how these companies worked, but a lot of people didn't. So I wanted to reveal not only their bad practices but others as well
@RavenRGH and? dislikes doesn't take away the objective truth of a video again we forgetting that dogpack was the exact same and everyone disliked videos talking bad about him and now it's proven to be correcy
I'm sure there is more and I hope there is. But out of the ones I shopped while I was in that role, that was the only one for any click. Howl has had their own problems since their rebranding though, so I hope more companies start to implement this ability. But brands would have to get on board as well.
@@eedobee Guess you didn’t really watch the video or you don’t understand. The retailers know about this problem and can easily fix it, but don’t because it’s cheaper to pay the thief than the influencer.
@UA-camTechGuy my comment was just that other people have other priorities on Christmas. Not to put anybody down. It was a response to the guy who was wondering where all the comments were (at the time)
I’m glad this guy recommended to me, very informative and you are well spoken, Hope this gets more views. Is there a limit to how many creators get commissioned using howl on a single sale
Yes actually. Great point. So every affiliate company is different, for Howl the only way their any click attribution goes away is if another influencer howl link is clicked. So they can't stack. So if you clicked cnet, my video and honey. Cnet is on Howl and all the other affiliate websites. So if they used a Rakuten/Impact/share a sale link, they would not get commission due to honey. However if they used a how link and the a person still went back and clicked my Howl link. Howl would then give it to the last Howl link. That's how Howl works. Not sure about others.
How would NewEgg/Howl's anyclick attribution work if, as the MegaLag video demonstrates, Honey overwrites the tracking cookie? How will you compensate a LinusTechTips clickthrough when there is no evidence of the buyer using LTT affiliate link if the cookie doesn't show an LTT reference because it was overwritten? Your video sounds more like a Howl ad than a correction/clarification of MegaLag's video.
No Howl had issues with paying influencers on time. The it doesn't get rid of the cookie just because the link is different, it just changes the last click attribution. Which is why Honey would still get paid. Newegg isn't the only one either this works with Rakuten rewards and Howl on best buy as well
@@JimJones-kj8jk Just as he said above. Also, this video exposes the retailers because they know about this issue and don’t want to fix it because it’s cheaper to pay Honey than the influencer.
It doesn't. He's affiliated to newegg. You can trust him as much as honey.
@@EddieRod what? He just used to work at Newegg. How does that mean anything?
So, what you are saying is that online retailers have the ability to fix this issue, but don’t because it’s cheaper to pay honey than the influencer?
Regardless, it doesn’t make it right for companies like Honey to basically steal commissions, but the retailers are somewhat guilty as well.
Correct for the most part, like I said in the video it's cheaper because you pay these companies very little commission compared to influencers. And as an influencer it's hard to ask viewers not to click Rakuten rewards or honey, because it gives viewers money back.
@@UA-camTechGuy Retailers are essentially leaving the doors open with the keys inside but asked thieves not to steal it.
While we are rightly mad at the thief (Honey and others), we should also force retailers to change.
Here's the first damage control video sponsored by Honey! 😅
LMAO what? Honey has never sponsored me, also I don't say anything good about them.
@UA-camTechGuy so newegg had no affiliation or deal in the backend to offer controlled coupons/discounts to newegg customers through honey?
I know you weren't sponsored directly by Honey. But as a newegg spokesman, you're likely just doing damag control before video 2 and 3 come out.
sorry, but you are full of bs. the original video is spot on. honey changes the referral link regardless and that is the point of the video!
It doesn't change the link, it changes the cookie. The link in the browser URL bar for your active tab is unchanged. How attribution works would depend on which of those pieces of information the website uses for determining who to credit for the sale, potentially along with other things neither of us is aware of. This video is very specifically limited to how NewEgg does it (i.e. the thing he has firsthand experience with), not attribution in general.
Before calling BS, you should probably better understand the issue and what this video is saying.
@@cbirdman move on
@@PeterWraaeMarino 😂 nice follow up.
Lmfao. Yeah sure, Honey changes the referrel link; but thankfully, it might not always be able to steal the commission. That was the point of this video.
Maybe take a few comprehension lessons before posting your take on the Internet again
I'm so sorry I didn't wanna be that guy, but it's "worse" and not "worst" in this case. Cheers from a random viewer in Spain!!
I was about to post the same thing. It's worse, not worst. Worse implies if you thought this was a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10 its actually a 6 or 7. Worst implies that this is so much more 10 than 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. Its like saying something Orange is orangest. Or something blue is the bluest. It really doesn't make any sense. Its like calling a plate of spaghetti the spaghettiest spaghetti that ever spaghettied a pasta noodle and tomato sauce.
Will change it, thanks
@@UA-camTechGuy - It's been more than an hour. How long does it take to click through Creator studio and make a simple change? It could have been done in the time it took me to write this reply.
@@PaulGaither He said he was going to change it. I give him credit for that. We don't need to be d***s about it.
@@IbocC64 - of course we don't need to, but it has also been 8 hours and I would have changed it as soon as I saw your commemt and replied to you.
Hahahahahaha... you're paid.
So, simple question: Why would a site implementing "any attribution" save only the last affiliate in a cookie?
The cookie doesn’t mater with Howl because it is tracking the information on who clicked the link separately.
@cbirdman so why the cookie then? in a world where every cookie can cause a lawsuit it sure has a purpose. And (at least in the video) I didn't see a session cookie. How does it track the clicks?
@@RoterFruchtZwerg I don’t know Howl works, but inferring from the video, it provides the influencer with an affiliate link that uses an “any click” cookie that way both parties get credit. Regardless, it can be done correctly but is reliant on the retailer to do it. Which is not likely for most since it’s cheaper for them to pay Honey than the influencer. Honey is the thief, but it’s not being deterred by using these more secure methods.
This is a long running issue, LTT supported Honey from 2017 to 2022, when exactly did Newegg change the attribution to be dynamic instead of last click?
June of 2023
@@UA-camTechGuy Interesting, so if I understand correctly under dynamic attribution the affiliate commission is shared across all the recorded visits to the merchant in the last few days? Is the howl commission sharing algorithm documented anywhere? i.e. How does it split the commission? Can the merchant decide/set how the split works?
@@karapuzo1 From what I understand in this video, both are paid their commission in full.
So basically, if a website cares at all about its partners and affiliates then, if it uses last click attribution, it should NOT allow honey or any of the other coupon code sites to be an affiliate with them.
ideally yes.
Damage control. Nice!
Where are the people in this chat?
This word needs more Luigi Mangione types. There is a lot of fixing that needs to be done.
Never installed any of these because I thought they would "just" mine my data. Who knew it was even worse. All these add-ons have to be increasing prices of products we buy.
But Honey admitted it in an email. If honey was last clicked, they will get the sell
Yes I thought everyone knew how these companies worked, but a lot of people didn't. So I wanted to reveal not only their bad practices but others as well
76 dislikes, looks like you are in the wrong lol!
Nope everything I said was factual
@@UA-camTechGuy sorry I don't trust videos with a 40 ish % like to dislike ratio
the Ad Populum is unreal acting like The Dogpack situation wasn't ANY different
@@TheFaxualScaler welp 93 dislikes now
@RavenRGH and? dislikes doesn't take away the objective truth of a video again we forgetting that dogpack was the exact same and everyone disliked videos talking bad about him and now it's proven to be correcy
damage control at it's finest 💪
How is it damage control? Me saying Honey, Rakuten, Capital One Shopping and more are all doing this?
I love how some people in the comments didn’t watch the video and only read the title 😂
So this is only an exception for Howl?
I'm sure there is more and I hope there is. But out of the ones I shopped while I was in that role, that was the only one for any click. Howl has had their own problems since their rebranding though, so I hope more companies start to implement this ability. But brands would have to get on board as well.
Everyone making videos about this says nothing new
@@eedobee Guess you didn’t really watch the video or you don’t understand. The retailers know about this problem and can easily fix it, but don’t because it’s cheaper to pay the thief than the influencer.
@ yeah, you said nothing new.
@@eedobee good comeback
Great video! Hope Megalag considers it
Me too, I think he did an amazing job on the first video and really want to see his follow up.
Well, you know it is Christmas day, and some people may have other things that they would rather do!
Yes and I hope every is enjoying their Christmas day, I know I did. Not sure what the point of the comment was.
@UA-camTechGuy my comment was just that other people have other priorities on Christmas. Not to put anybody down. It was a response to the guy who was wondering where all the comments were (at the time)
I’m glad this guy recommended to me, very informative and you are well spoken, Hope this gets more views. Is there a limit to how many creators get commissioned using howl on a single sale
Yes actually. Great point. So every affiliate company is different, for Howl the only way their any click attribution goes away is if another influencer howl link is clicked. So they can't stack. So if you clicked cnet, my video and honey. Cnet is on Howl and all the other affiliate websites. So if they used a Rakuten/Impact/share a sale link, they would not get commission due to honey. However if they used a how link and the a person still went back and clicked my Howl link. Howl would then give it to the last Howl link. That's how Howl works. Not sure about others.