BMW F900R vs. Honda CB650R. Test Ride Review
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- A comparison between our long-term test roadsters - BMW F900R and Honda CB650R: riders.drivemag.com/features/...
Different engine, different style, different attitude. The Honda features the classic inline-four configuration, coupled with a cool headlight, while BMW features a completely new engine, derived from the one on the F850GS.
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So the CB650R wins right guys? :D Nice comparison, I own the CB650R but I've test ridden the F900R. The F900R definitely feels more lively in corners and lighter but heavier at a standstill (because it is). While power is only 10bhp more on the BMW it has almost 30NM more torque and I really noticed that, but then I love revving the CB650R all the way to 12,000rpm too. The biggest selling point in the UK for the CB650R is the price, £7200 new and the BMW is £8900 in standard spec. If I had £9k to spend I'd also be looking at the new Street Triple R as that's a bargain!
💯% true
Dan
more durable HONDA. GENERALLY.
price diference is 1700. i can add more upgrade to honda.
Here in Cali the honda costs more than the BMW, nonsense
@@ericiglesias4313 you can get it back when it comes to parts and maintenance
You guys make great videos and deserve more views. Cheers from Boston
The Prices:
BMW F900R - €8,600 - Standard (TFT Dash, Riding modes) ; €11,110 - bike in test (Dynamic ESA, Keyless Ride, Pro Riding Modes)
Honda CB650R - €8,150
Service Costs (in Romania):
BMW F900XR
1,000 km -€150
10,000 km - €150
20,000 km - €361
Honda CB650R
1,000 km - €110
12,000 km - €110
24,000 km - €176
Bmw is shite chinese made F800 overbored engine with vibration after 4k rpm sounding like tractor lol, its no match to Honda's super smooth inline 4 Cb650R perfect touring machine and super reliable , so honda cb650r is winner
@@eurodrift2498 I'm F850GS owner and 850 motor and 800 old one has nothing in common. 800 was 0-360 degree crankshaft and 850 is 90-270 degrees. Almost zero vibrations on 850, power delivery is very smooth and the engine is very funny and great sounding, even better if you eliminate an ugly euro-4 box and replace it with link pipe.
The only point is the price here and personal feelings.
Adventures of Scoda you sound like a child trying to reason
Am facut prima revizie la F900R, la 860km, a costat 479 RON, pot mentiona si dealerul daca trebuie.
@@eurodrift2498 BMW is not totally made in China, it's only the gearbox that is made by Loncin in China. The rest are made in Germany while the CB650R is 100% made in Thailand. Vibes on BMW is terrible at 4-7k RPM and so with CB650R at 6-12k RPM
Hi lads! Really good quality content! Also kudos to you for making it in English. Wanna see more of F900R videos!
If you are interested in specific questions please ask, have one since March ( 870 km).
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I am going by a cb650r! The winner of course! Greeting from Chile 🇨🇱 in South America!
Love the review, love the BMW, love the sound snips of Drum & Bass! What model Arai helmet do you have?
I have German helmet SCHUBERTH!
These bikes are not really a comparison when it comes to price.
The Honda CB1000R would be a better comparison and still cheaper than the BMW F900R and a much more beautiful and appealing machine than the BMW.
I own the 2021 cb650r and love it.Here in the states getting work done on the BMW cost almost twice as much to get worked on.I got some Nice titanium pipes and a modulator then had it Dyno tuned.Uncorking brought out a beast....!
Exactly ! A Honda maintenance over the years will not cost you much. More reliable, a different approach, different mentality.
Guys I really respect all your videos and reviews. Especially the one in Montenegro in front of my house 🤭 I am big fan 👍
Can you consider in future making review of HONDA NC750XD?? I will really appreciate 🍻
Despite the BMW being a little better I would rather the CB650R and then add some suspension and a quickshifter. It just seems more fun.
Which one would you say that your legs are more comfortable and less flexed?
Full review of the F 900 R, please!
BMW on order. Waiting couple more weeks. BTW - what is the song in the intro? Thx
Hi Drivemag Riders, please review Kawasaki z1000sx or Ninja1000 (Sporttourer)
I really don't know which bike is better, but the sound ... wooww the Honda's sound
I love both bikes. Will choose any of them without any hesitation. The neo-retro-caffe-whatever style look of the Honda has a slight advantage to my eyes and also that 4 cylinder engine is a little bit more seductive to me... Probably because my motorcycle is renovated Honda Cb-1 from 1989.
Very interesting review! :) Greetings from Bulgaria.
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Enjoyable as always but I do think it a bit strange due to the difference in displacement. How about the BMW vs the Z900 or the MT-09 and the Honda vs the new Kawasaki Z650 that's lost so much mass.
A 900cc 4cyl will be way more powerful than the parallel twin 900cc BMW. That is why the 4cyl 650 is actually a good bike to compare to it.
@@mocioclistu The point is that a twin shouldn't be compared to an I4. Their inherent characteristics cause bias and just don't allow for a logical comparison.
@@MrCarGuy We are talking motorbikes not religions here. Plenty reasons bikes with different engines can still be considered by the same person and are worth comparing.
mocioclistu Adding to your point, I actually just picked up an F900R and absolutely love it! Particularly because it seems like it will do just about everything I throw at it well. If a man can only have one bike. Anyways though, I was comparing this bike to the Z900. The Kawi was very tempting if I were looking for outright power for the class, but ultimately chose the Beemer for its touring potential with cruise control and other niceties 🙂Will also add though, I might be in the minority here, but I typically find inline 4s to sound a bit bland or monotone. The F900’s twin in particular is really full of character and that’s just the stock exhaust!
Honda priced this bike right in line with the other 900cc class bikes, so they forced the comparison. The CB650 Is actually priced higher than the F900r
They also didn't mention the Cruise Control and heated grips on the BMW! I think new MT09 will be a really good battle for the F900R due to quick shifter standard and closer performance than the 650R.
Cruise control is option on the BMW. Costs (alot!) extra. Heated grips are extra on the Honda.
I have only heard good things about the 900R.I look forward to trying it.Thanks.
I was thinking of buying the CB650R last year, but there wasn't one for test ride, so I didn't want to commit blindly. Then on EICMA 2019 BMW introduced the F900R and it really caught my attention. I got mine yesterday and I already love it! The price difference of the one I specked is not that much more compared to the Honda, 2000 EUR, but it has so much more tech. And that torque is addictive. And yes even now only 250km into it it already is capable of 5 l/100km.
That tech may well be the BMW F900R nightmare and cost at a later date.
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Honda needs the bring the cb650r up to a cb750r. The extra power for the price would be nice
also, cornering abs and proper traction control- it would be amazing bike than!
i like this kind of detail review & assessment about the bikes. everyone should do like this
Agree 100%
I own the 2018 cb650f the bike its a blast a lot of power he has some vibration but the rest it's excellent
I have the same bike. It's very fun. I wanted to trade mine in for a bike with a bit more punch but I can't do it! I'll probably keep it until I croak. It's sporty yet comfortable and I'm not a short guy (6' 2"). It's just a great motorcycle all around. I'm looking for a sport tourer now but I'll definitely keep the cb for the short trips, lively commutes, and the mountains. I don't see many of them where I live in the southeastern US and it always draws attention.
talk about outright speed, which one is faster?
Max speed is surely in favour of the 4 cylinders - the BMW is only given for 216 km/h - , but except if only riding straight lines at illegal speeds, the BMW is more efficient. Going out curves faster or as fast but in a easiest way, etc. Small 4 cylnders facing too bigger 2 cylinders.
The BMW cost 25% more in denmark from new than the price for the Honda. I like the review, but its not really a fair comparison here...
overall i enjoyed the video
You are correct however the Honda does not have these options at all (and they cannot really be added, except the quick shifter). You have to compare top of the range models vs. top of the range models and in the case of the Honda this is pretty much all you can get.
If you need modes than start learning how to ride again from the start. Abs and traction control are great ant it can save your life, but ride modes...
Not really comparing apples with apples here.
Honda forced the comparison by pricing it higher than the BMW in spite of the smaller displacement
It's an 4cylender bro that's why it is more prized
@@PhinallyWC08 you realize price differs in different markets? Where I live the honda is a lot cheaper
@@PhinallyWC08 Where does the Honda cost the same as the BMW? Not in Sweden, that's for sure.
@@ObitoUchihaisgay I do know that pricing differs in different market, but I assume whether the Honda costs more or less, in most markets they're probably at a rather similar price point
Just can't work out the 'VS' element here... Surely wrong. How can u do a 'vs' with a 650 & 900!?
why didn't you use the CBR1000 ?
For the CBR1000 ,BMW haS the S1000rr🤔😗😰
@@emanuelmarcos Ehh no.The s1000rr would be competing against the Fireblade.
Could you repeat the test and replace cb650 with ktm 890,
Yes, we're waiting fot the 890 to be available for a test ride.
Jesus that would be better. Ktm 89o will destroy this hands down
@@MrRGM10 I think it depends on what you wait for. The BMW with a 120 CV engine would be very equilibrated, as for now the engine is a bit under the frame level.
But it s a very cool bike to use, more versatile than the KTM.
Pricing is not the same everywhere. In my country (India) bmw are too much expensive because they come as cbu units. Whereas honda assembles most of its bikes in the country so they attract less tax and duty and almost 30-40% cheaper than bmw. In this case the cb650r will be equivalently 3000 euro cheaper than f900r.
Why would anyone give these guys a “thumbs down”?? I love your vids guys.
Honda fans boys were upset because bmw has a great bike ,thats what.😁 Its the usual mines bigger then yours.😂
I cross shopped these two bikes but the CB650R is much cheaper and I love that 4 cylinder motor even if it isn't as powerful down low. The feel of the motor is great. So smooth and controlled at slower revs and then howls when you rev it up. Very exciting engine to ride. I've had my CB650R for about 10 days now and loving it. Already done 1,300km on it haha.
Lol... "They should have a near output". One is a 650 and the other is 900... How much BMW pay for this review. The Honda is SIMPLE one of the best bikes ever produced and one the best looking
How much is Honda paying you I would say? Both are in the same class ( A2 license in europe )
Prices (In spain)
Honda: 8150€
BMW: 8995€
HP/Torque
Honda: 95 CV / 64 Nm
BMW: 95 CV / 88 Nm
I would say it is fair to compare them.... Only because it lacks in the torque department you can't say it's not fair.
Well i rode borh and the BMW is by far the superior Bike in every situation more power more tourque and the price is nearly the same in germany, i bought by the way the bmw. The tft is just awesome, its much quicker out of corners. Furthermore it uses less fuel than the Honda and has more power.
@@germanwoodworker2621 it's just not the same philosophy... 4 cylinders vs 2 cylinders. One is made for hi rev lovers, one for driving like a diesel engine lover (torque, low rev). One has a chinese Loncin engine (WTF?) and one is from a genuine motorist - Honda - engineering. All in all, same class, but 2 different philosophy.
@@torgny0 are you sure Hondas motor is not produced in China or India?
@@VasiliyFurman china only produce small engines for multipurpose uses for honda
Excellent comparison video! I’ll take the BMW!
team CB650r my dram bike and supporting you for my dream bike
Great review! Does the rider feel any heat riding the F900R, especially from under the seat?
It feels like z650 not much issue heat wise. Very good bmw made this one with the right equipment! Im impress.and the brand speaks for itself.
you feel a little heat at your right leg from the exhaust.. well heat might be the wrong word, maybe some warmth? really nothing that will set you off. apart from that you dont feel any heat
Nice video 👍 ❤️F900R❤️
V the biker✌️
Wouldn't it make more sense to compare the F900R against the CB1000R?
In my country the CB650R price is $11k, the F900R price is $17k, yes USD!. So for me, the Honda is a bargain for the price. With our prices, the F900R is closer to CB1000R, which could change the output if review if happened cb1000r vs f900r
Why does the Honda dyno at 80 hp at the wheel when the fz6 did almost 100 hp? It feels like Honda could have got more power out of it
it's for A2 i believed, the older 600 street bikes did just a tad lower than the 600rr
The fz6 is around 96 CV, taken at the engine. The Honda is 95.
At the rear wheel (real usage), both should be very close too.
I like the looks of the Honda and we all know the reliability and smooth gears. Of course tires on any bike make a huge difference, no mention of this but likely the BMW has better stock tires🤔
Tyres are an easy swap out unlike engines which are a bit more difficult and expensive to do.
Better tires yes but what makes the diference is the better suspension.
That F900R is loaded with technology, not a fair comparison assuming there's a least $2500 difference here.
You forgot to say that the BMW is equipped with a twin Chinese Motor and that the amount of money you pay on that bike is mainly for the infotainement and fancy display
Its a bmw engine design that is built in china to bmw specs and quality standards
@@Ninimara952I'd prefer it to be built in Germany.
@c.g.c2067 yes I understand, I would prefer it to be built in Germany as well but although they are built in china I'm sure bmw has very strict quality control procedures at their china engine plant .. it's like Toyota building their cars here I'm united states.. it's a Japanese car brand that makes a lot of their cars here.. but they vehicles are engineered by Toyota and built in America up to their quality standards
The BMWF900 r has the best looking passenger taillights design
Can you please compare cb1000r and cb650r?
Two awesome bikes, but with different characteristics.
If you're one of those whom like high revs go with Honda, otherwise pick the BMW up.
And by the wayI don't give it a damn if the motor is made in China or somewhere else. What really matter is the quality of the final product.
But this is my point of view.
The same wind blows to everyone, doesn't matter the bike.
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You guys cheated by using Dynamic mode on the BMW.
It costs extra you cant get from Honda.
Honda engines does not need riding modes in my opinion. I have owned 2013 vfr1200x and at low rpms its very calm. If you rev it up, it gives you the power you want. Cb650 is like this, too. It is not a downside
I agree, people have been riding the cbr since 1988 and then the hornet and cb650 without any kind of riding modes, I don't see why it would need it.
The lack of torque is one good reason to no need of riding modes for a 650. Already, a 4 cylinders is very calm at low revs, but note that the BMW 2 cylinders can operate at very low revs without pbms too. It has just more juice at those revs when needed.
12:22 so this is standard? Wawaweewa 😯
Hi guys!! It’s funny it’s always a BMW who wins everytime 🤔
Fifi Bebert one has fake vents
I'd take the Honda any day. Better in every way and it's not a Chinese pile of junk.
This review is full of contradiction and they are comparing two different weight class of bikes..
Honda its more like a raw bike, but also has more soul, definitely go for the Cb650r
Not reliability
This one is easy. A silky four cylinder Japanese engine of supreme quality or a second rate Chinese parallel twin that rattles like a bag of nails and will never last the test of time. It's a no Brainer.
I agree 650 is better deal. But I have nothing against Chinese factory made engine. Nowadays engines are made from Thailand, India, China, and other south Asia countries, but they all follow whatever brand's manufacturer standard. I don't see how BMW can afford all the global bike sales with only their Germany factory, globalization and lower the labor cost is the trend. I've seen made in Germany boxer engine failed too. After all it's about the engine design not really manufacturing process.
Engine designed by BMW, made in China with BMW specs.
The 650 is more a beginner bike. Lack of torque make it no brainer for me.
BTW, the Honda seems to be made in Thaïland.
@@BlackSun3Tube Yep, the Honda is made in Thailand
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why is this a good comparison?????????
Exactly my thought. Why are they comparing an 900cc bike to a 650?
Hello plz we wan't review for honda xadv 750 ive been asking more than 10 times
Conversation is good but there are times when one person is cutting the sentence of the other. Suffocating the flow, and becomes a competition for attention...
That inline 4 sounds so much better.
Romanian version of OnTwoWheels. ;-) Imi place foarte mult!
i like both bikes...if you have money go for the bimmer..if you want value for your money go for the honda..
It's even wrong to compare these two!
Honda for a novice commute bike. BMW for an experienced rider who would appreciate and know how to make the best of the advanced electronic package which I'd definitely get if my budget allowed for it.
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on the CB650R the little windshield do alot diference at higher speed
Ye really ? I never tried it and didn't think it would make a huge difference, thanks for the tip buddy :)
@@thomasg.8892 i have the original clear plastic one, not the black with aluminiun piece, the clear its a little larger and in tuck position make huge diference especially above 160....200km/h
@@AlexandreSantos-mn4sk Ah I see! Will definitely look into it, thanks a lot!
True ihave got one of those and its great!
F900R costs 8.800 plus delivery in Germany, the Honda 7.500.
Well, its a better bike, more tecnology, higher power,premium brand, good things are expensive.
@@emanuelmarcos
its questionable if the standard F 900 is better, BMW never give standard bikes to jounalists, only bikes with every conceivable extra.
@@MrJohnnyorange John Aspinall most bmw clients will never buy that bike without a couple of extras, no point explaining you why, most honda buyers will buy that honda has she comes.
@@emanuelmarcos Maybe Honda manufactor a bike that doesn't need extras?
@@MrJohnnyorange I see were you going, in that aspect no bike needs extras and all bikes need extras, its a contradiction, its the way each manufacter plays to get a peace of the cake and thats the way it is, some extras arent even available in the honda even if you love to have them on that bike, some arent in the bmw even if you like them, ex: i would love that the bmw had yet another extra(esa on the front), some like you may ask why, well because so, i guess that if you can build your dream machine thats the way manufacters will have to aproach the market....yes all extras possible, and who want to get an specific extra just needs to check box...with that said the bmw its a better bike.just my opinion.
please lower the volume of that music, it's way too loud compared to when you talk.
650 r 👍
The BMW is such a better bike than the Honda. Much better components and standard features
Who needs features?
like " riding modes"... ;)
@@torgny0 Riding modes are usefull, for beginners as well as for veterans who want to drive in a cool or adaptative way.
Love the Honda reliability, easy driving and perfect quality. But i would buy it the day they build a mid size bicylinder roadster, with a version of the Africa Twin engine for exemple. According to me, No sense to keep on product no-torque inline 4 cylinders below 750cc
Agree with that. Designed for beginners and/or budget purpose.
It's one of the most expensive 600's in the market. Nothing budget about an inline 4 compared to a parallel twin. It also makes more power than most of its competitors in the class. The inline 4 trades torque for rpm which is better for hp. Honda just has a different approach than the rest in this segment. Yamaha went for the opposite approach and kawasaki.... well idk what they were thinking other than budget friendly bikes.
@@krp-xe3hw I meant, about budget, that it has not the price of a big bike, considering buying and maintaining costs.
I love the look, and am quite sure it has the Honda productions qualities: easy to drive, secure, not really sport design - even if the brand seems to have done an effort here, on this "dark side" of a bike.
Most testers do enforce that idea, including pro ones.
Now, for every day ride, I think a little 650 four cylinders may not be the good choice for an experienced rider, because of the lack of torque, and even more at low revs, when speed limit is not exceeded.
But for a beginner, such specifications can give a better feeling and control than a 2 cylinders, generally a bit more brutal even with assists.
The Honda looks so much better, and it will come with Honda Reliability. And remember, the Engine in the BMW is put together in China, and anything coming from China lately can Drop Dead !!
You don't have any electronic devices (like a mobile phone)? That' likely all from china..
MAGA hats are made in china lol
🤣😂🤣
I might be wrong, but this CB is not made in Japan but in Taiwan...
@@jellethegreatest right 👍
You can only compare a Honda with another Honda. What is BMW?
Depending on your taste, look for the GS 1250 R (called by many drivers and revewers "the best motorbike ever"), and for the sportier S1000RR. And to travel, look the RT series.
Honda is a bit like "the japanese BMW". Good motorbikes too.
Makes no sense to compare these two bike’s, of course 900cc has more power. Where’s the Z900, MT 09, 890 KTM super duke????
We also did a Street Triple RS vs Z900 vs F900R comparison
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An important point is "maintenance cost" over the years. In that sense I would bet on Honda, from my very bad experience with a BMW F800R, on which I have spent 30% of the price paid in repairs, with only 23k kms on it. Burned headlamps, clutch and stand microswitches, engine head gasket, left & right side switch control units, right side grip warmer ..... not good. Switching to the 650R.
Is this a BMW sponsored channel now?
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Nuda900: "peasants"
But nuda is ugly af
Interesting comparison. Well made, thank you! The Honda for me. No riding modes, lighter, cheaper (buy and run) more nimble and easier to handle. Yep, I have one! Done 14000km and I love it. Tested the F900R and sure, it's a good bike. More vibrations than the Honda. And not that much better than the old F800R, if you ask me.
The 900 is a lot better than the 800, BMW did restart from scratch, but with the experience.
Vibrations are very smooth, it's like riding a purring cat - very cool in fact..
The 650 is a good little bike, more for beginners. Lack of torque.
Cool designs for both.
@@BlackSun3Tube "more for beginners" you say. As do others, but I don't. This bike is more capable to cover most riders needs imo. But it needs revings, that's true. 😁
@@johnDukemaster But not enough torque at low revs. That s why I never bought a 650 4 cylinders - the difference with even a 750 4 cylinders is huge.
Buying a 650 sport 4 cylinders, with something like 120 CV, for a non beginner, it's ok, so you can make some track days.
But only 95 CV and forced to rev to have some juice ... beginners choice.
@@BlackSun3Tube Don't agree 😁
@@johnDukemaster You may not agree. But maybe you didin' t drive other bikes, ypu may be a young driver with little experience of bikes..
The most important, above all, is that it fits your needs. But I dont know much experienced dirvers would would choose this bike if they have the choice and budget for choosing something else ...
Yes, it has a nice design.
But a 4 cylnders of 95 HP and so little torque has poor chances to satisfied someone who did drove better bikes.
It's just an entry level in the bikes world.
With more budget and same design, there s the 1000 one.
For more torque or more power, there are tons of other models. 650 with more than 120 HP, for example.
This is just a good "work horse", or "apprentice horse". And it does well what it's intended to.
That s a simple fact. Not just an opinion question.
Wrong bike to use against the Bmw. It should be the Yamaha MT09. That MT09 is actually better due to adjustable suspension.
The pbm of the MT09 is the frame at quite high speed, and you have to take the SP version to minimize risks. At low speed, very good handling. A fantastic engine. But a bit tiring, except if using rain mode when riding in town, less versatile than the BMW too.
So: Yamaha for the engine, BMW for the frame and for all purpose usage.
When you take your BMW to the dealer for a service is when you wish you had bought the Honda.
in germany its basically around the same price
My first service on my bmw was almost the same price as my friends when he takes his honda in for service. Maybe a couple dollars more but i also run full synthetic and he doesn't for oil so who knows
@Northern Owl i service my harleys and other metrics but bmw actually ahs a really good warranty and so i service it to keep it all intact
I can't stand inline4s, but if I had to choose, it'd be the honda than the Chinese made bike with TFT. Buyer: what's so special about F900R? Dealer: it has TFT 😂
BMW are trying to hide the fact that it's a Chinese engine. They are robbing their ignorant customers. Selling the bike as a premium bike at a premium price when in fact it a cheap knock together to fill a market sector they had not previously covered. I hope people wise up do their homework and walk away from this piece of junk from BMW
@@pggp273 It's almost Ducati monster 797 or even 821 money. It's MT09 money!!!!
Dealer: is has TFT... Steering stabilizer, braided brake lines, brembo calipers, full ride by wire, better suspension, this is stock... and then gives you options no other bike on this range gives for the price, like up&down quickshifter and cruise control. Sorry, the only contenders are the Street Triple and the Duke R, but the prices are just too much higher on those.
@@sferreirac What's the extra cost of all those?
@@ampm9771 stock form it cost the same as a MT09 and already with a lot more technology, the extra optionals come with an extra cost, but at least they're available, can't say the same about the CB650r, MT09, Z900..
This review felt super biased for the BMW...
It's kind of worse when you actually acknowledge that you "cheated" by getting a full extra vs a based model.
Portugal prices for based models:
CB650R - 8.050€
F900R - 8.925€
That actually means that you can get the CB with a quick shifter + heated grips for the same price as the "base" F900R.
bmw has more advanced safety features like pro abs, better tracktion and riding mods. other than that- i would prefer honda- cant stand two cylinders sound..
Can u confirm that the bmw f900r engine was made in china?
yes, by Loncin in China
Yes
Andrew, the Honda is made in Thailand
The engine is designed by BMW (not Rotax), but assembled in China by Loncin, yes. Then the engine is sent to Germany where BMW build the machine.
Wow
Good to know
I tried both, I see no point on this comparison, the BMW is better all the way. Reliability may not be so good, but hey, just switch the bike every 2 or 3 years and you won't be in any troubles. Honda is last decade technology, BMW offers all the goodies, and for that I believe the price is well justified, it's a lot of bike for the money!
Honda makes good bikes. But here, the choice is quickly done. The BMW with no hesitation.
I think honda is better for the city and it can still let you go in the country
Throw in the 890 DUKE R for added flavor!
KRONREIF TRUNKENPOLZ MATTIGHOFEN K T M
I'd love to see test between Z900 nad F900R.
But it wouldn't be a fair contest the Z would piss all over the Chinese engine of the F900R. Comparing the BMW against a Benelli would be a fairer contest. At least the engines would be comparable both being parallel twin built in China. But Benelli would still win because at least they are open and honest about the origins of their engines unlike BMW who hide inconvenient truths
If only power was the answer to all questions we would all be stuck with a Busa for the rest of our lifes. I do believe they're closer that one might think.
I did recently test KTM, Triumph, Yamaha, BMW. I just sitted on the Z900, but didn t test it, for different reasons. Even if my last bike was a Kawasaki, with almost 0 pbms for 72000 kms.
Different needs, different experiences, different answers, above objective qualities or default.
Knock..knock...
😍Kawasaki Z900 😍
I dont think is worth the extra cash for the BMW if you can have Honda reliability, cheaper maintenance, cheaper and faster delivery on replacements and post-sale service (at least on spain)……. and still can spend that 3k extra money on a quickshifter, luggage or an epic exhaust system for that 13000rpm engine.
Its a motorbike that literally last forever just doing the oil and filter changes on time.
BMW cars are fine. But their motorbikes are one of the less reliable vehicles on the market. (unless you are an adventurer bike youtuber… then they give you a GS for free, to tell your viewers how good the bike is, while Deep inside all you wish for is riding the Africa Twin)
The GS is considered by number of specialists like the best bike ever made.
Reliability depends on models and series, not only on brand.
Honda makes good bikes. BMw are not so bad too.
For me, the lack of torque, etc, of the Honda here, makes me choose the BMW definitly.
650cc vs 900cc no point in comparing the two bikes regardless of the model...
HONDA for ever
Gsxs750 is better than either of these, and costs less.
Bmw wins
Tuhvees-tees.
Fanboys again. Why are we not surprised?
I dont think id ever want a "smart" tft dash with Bluetooth connectivity and maintenance warnings. But that's how BMW rolls haha !
Also, riding modes should be human skill on any bike not a switch you flip. But cool bike nonetheless
Riding modes are usefull once used to. You can live without, but it's better with :)
@@BlackSun3Tube maybe... I borrowed my friends xsr900 for 3ish weeks with riding modes and I didn't see much use for them. I ended up leaving it in sport mode and modulating inputs myself. I can totally see them useful on a touring bike where you are riding for hours on end though. :)
@@donthurtmyfeelingsplz As I said, I can drive without any assistance, my last bike didn't have even the ABS. But those helps are a "plus".
On a 4 cylinders, traction control may not be needed, for example, even on wet road.
On a torquy engine, except for fun moments, it s usefull.
When you have it and use it, you drive in a more zen way. If you test for 3 weeks with in mind the fact that you won t keep the bike, it may not set you in the same spirit state than considering riding really with such things all days for several years.
You may not have encountered situations where it should have been used.
But, simply, when you have it under you finger, you do use it and appreciate it - keeping in mind it s your bike, not a bike you test which you want to have some fun with.
Like you said above, depends on your usage; but on your age too, etc.
Finally, you can live with a gsm phone.
But if you have a smartphones, it offers more choices.
On my bike for example, I use different modes, including the customised one where I can deactivate the rear ABS. I can live without that.
But it s better with ;).
@@BlackSun3Tube those are all great points. You're right it all depends on how many different situations you encounter. The way I would use these two bikes in my everyday life, riding modes would not matter. We will have to agree to disagree! Thanks for your reply
@@donthurtmyfeelingsplz Ty for your reply too :).
Start the engin of bmw Sound like traktor 🚜 will trun you off .
I have the feeling that this Honda will drive super boring. 4 small cylinders, lot of rpm's but not a lot of torque. No thanks.
I agree
the BMW looks and sounds like a plastic toy compared to the Honda....
Nothing a new exhaust wouldn't sort out, then it would piss all over the Honda
@@BigiBeef Ehhh trust me I'd buy the BMW with my own money but the Honda does look much better.
@@drewmorg. I'm glad you're grown up and have your own money well done you.
I'm really trying to like the BMW, but the colors and design are just awful.
and that rubbish engine
If only colours and design was it's only problems. Chinese Engines should not be put into bikes that are marketed and sold at premium prices
@@pggp273 It's really disappointing they would whore themselves out just to save a few bucks. At least make the engine in India or Indonesia if you're looking to meet a price.
@@edweiser63 Hehe, is Thailand acceptable (🤧Triumph🤧)?
@@pggp273 What about Chinese cell phones (🤧Apple🤧)?
What a BMW fanboy lol. Gets slightly aggressive and goes "really?!" everytime his friends talks critically about BMW instead of blindly praising it for everything😀