Thank you so much for watching! Don't forget to subscribe to my channel rb.gy/se54pp I have tested this with starting 3* and 4* heroes and it's best to simply imprint the heroes you're using or transmit the extra copies. With these heroes you lose the initial value of the spirit blooms and the upgraded blooms aren't enough to recoup the costs from just releasing them. With 2* heroes the 80 stigma reward for releasing them is carried forward in addition to the blooms from promotions.
Hey man, thanks for taking the time do this, seriously. Couldn't find anyone giving a comprehensive breakdown of numbers and time - appreciate your efforts!
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I hope this video helped you make the right decision for you; even if that's doing the exact opposite of what I did! 😁
This update was a little more involved than I was expecting. Let me know if you have any questions. Other people probably have the same questions and I might already have a vid on it.
Honestly, I do appreciate all the work you’re doing to breakdown the new system, but I’m wondering if some conclusions aren’t being jumped to. By the time cost opportunities are factored in (particularly in raising the 2 stars to 5 stars), I’d be surprised if you weren’t actually well behind. For example, in reality, raising each 2 star to 3 star actually costs 306 stigma in penguins (all of which could have been experienced or epics) for a return of 340 stigma’s worth of blooms. Alternatively, sacking two 2 stars leaves you just ten stigma (that you already received from running adventure) shy of a bloom and is pure gold profit. I’m not trying to be overly critical. If I’ve missed something or there’s something wrong with my thought process, I’d love to have a discussion about it. Just want the community to have all the information. In my experience, there’s still a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding the change.
you are absolutelly correct, the cost in stigma of those three penguins used to raise each 2 stars are not factored in and it creates the illusion of an extra save by going back to raising 2 stars up to 5 stars. i do believe the method can indeed be used by players with a large amount of unused penguins, but mathematically its not worth spending stigma on penguins to raise 2 stars before transmitting. the only way i see beeing worth raising 2 stars before transmitting is if you can 3 man one shot hunts, then you could place 2 stars and slowly use the wasted hunt exp for eficiency, otherwise, just stick to the UH farming, max upgrade the forest and trade stigma for penguins and blooms to upgrade your heroes, no extra shenanigans needed.
The way I see it, when you buy penguins, you have a fairly good chance to get the good ones or the best ones(I don't remember their exact name) So the profit(efficiency? Discount? Call it what you want) comes from there. Buying blooms directly, you'll get exactly x amount of bloom per x amount of stigma. But buying penguins, if you do get the good/best quality you do get better value, and you also get the silver transmit stone when you sell the best penguin. Of course that's just how I see it, I didn't do any precise math. Words I live by as far as online gaming is concerned(said by a Japanese game developer/producer) is that different culture of gamers exist, I'm from SEA and the gaming environment here is thick with RMT, which then translate to whenever a good method of getting/doing anything that is profitable is discovered it tend to be kept hidden or only spread among inner circle. So anyone sharing things like this is always a delight to me.
The stigma you get from transmitting the 2* is retained when you promote to a higher level. There is also a small gold increase that I didn't include. You wouldn't lose the initial value and you would spend 306 stigma in penguins to gain 510 stigma in blooms. It doesn't work for natural 3-5* in the same way because you lose the initial investment. I do see your point though and it's a good thing to bring up. I think it's too much math for most people and they're just going to transmit their unused heroes. If you wanted the most profit, then the simplest thing to do is farm story mode in a higher episode with heroes that need friendship, buy penguins with the stigma, promote all the 2* drops to 3* and transmit them. Running max level heroes is way better than heroes that need EXP. I'm going to level the heroes that I want to keep with penguins, throw some gear on them, and then run them in story mode at level 60 to gain the friendship. The friendship gifts make a lot more sense in the new system.
@@AmazinglyAverage The actual total cost to convert a 2 star to a 3 star is… 3 penguins (306 stigma and 1800 gold to feed them to the fodder) and 2 lesser blooms (340 stigma) for promotion (plus 10k gold for the promotion itself). Grand total 646 stigma. When you transmit your new 3 star fodder, you receive some gold, the same 80 stigma you would have gotten for the 2 star, and 4 lesser blooms. 80 + 680 = 760 For a difference of 114 stigma, hat you’re actually spending nearly 10k for. If gold is the end goal, this is actually terrible advice. You only get ‘some’ (2 blooms and a rng penguin here and there) that investment back. I do agree that friendship point hold MUCH more value under the new system, however I’m still convinced advising people to promote 2 stars is doing a disservice to the community.
Thanks for covering this up. I guess we're back to the old "too many calculations" just to save resources 😅 I just hope they improve something related to this...something like (at least) stories background battling
This take us back to where we were before penguin mileage except without dogs. It takes more time but it's more newbie friendly. Background battles on story mode would definitely help.
its actualy 2 to 3* , 12 to 4*, and 80 to 5* (5*16) total 470 lesser.. You miss count, for greater spirit is need 5 lesser.. not 4 14:27 soo its only 6% saving ((500-470)/500) hope its help!
Pets increase the repeat battles. Level 5 pet has a maximum of 30 battles. Before you click Start, click on the pet and then click Settings. This will allow you to change the number of repeat battles.
Thank you so much for watching!
Don't forget to subscribe to my channel rb.gy/se54pp
I have tested this with starting 3* and 4* heroes and it's best to simply imprint the heroes you're using or transmit the extra copies. With these heroes you lose the initial value of the spirit blooms and the upgraded blooms aren't enough to recoup the costs from just releasing them. With 2* heroes the 80 stigma reward for releasing them is carried forward in addition to the blooms from promotions.
Great breakdown, I really appreciate you going the distance in your videos! I've been learning alot
Awesome, I'm glad this video was helpful. I probably go a little too far LOL!
Hey man, thanks for taking the time do this, seriously. Couldn't find anyone giving a comprehensive breakdown of numbers and time - appreciate your efforts!
Thank you, I really appreciate that. I hope this video helped you make the right decision for you; even if that's doing the exact opposite of what I did! 😁
Now, this is nice. After the promotion update I'm still confused so this video helps a lot. Thanks😊
This update was a little more involved than I was expecting. Let me know if you have any questions. Other people probably have the same questions and I might already have a vid on it.
Honestly, I do appreciate all the work you’re doing to breakdown the new system, but I’m wondering if some conclusions aren’t being jumped to.
By the time cost opportunities are factored in (particularly in raising the 2 stars to 5 stars), I’d be surprised if you weren’t actually well behind.
For example, in reality, raising each 2 star to 3 star actually costs 306 stigma in penguins (all of which could have been experienced or epics) for a return of 340 stigma’s worth of blooms. Alternatively, sacking two 2 stars leaves you just ten stigma (that you already received from running adventure) shy of a bloom and is pure gold profit.
I’m not trying to be overly critical. If I’ve missed something or there’s something wrong with my thought process, I’d love to have a discussion about it. Just want the community to have all the information. In my experience, there’s still a lot of unnecessary negativity surrounding the change.
you are absolutelly correct, the cost in stigma of those three penguins used to raise each 2 stars are not factored in and it creates the illusion of an extra save by going back to raising 2 stars up to 5 stars.
i do believe the method can indeed be used by players with a large amount of unused penguins, but mathematically its not worth spending stigma on penguins to raise 2 stars before transmitting.
the only way i see beeing worth raising 2 stars before transmitting is if you can 3 man one shot hunts, then you could place 2 stars and slowly use the wasted hunt exp for eficiency, otherwise, just stick to the UH farming, max upgrade the forest and trade stigma for penguins and blooms to upgrade your heroes, no extra shenanigans needed.
The way I see it, when you buy penguins, you have a fairly good chance to get the good ones or the best ones(I don't remember their exact name)
So the profit(efficiency? Discount? Call it what you want) comes from there.
Buying blooms directly, you'll get exactly x amount of bloom per x amount of stigma. But buying penguins, if you do get the good/best quality you do get better value, and you also get the silver transmit stone when you sell the best penguin.
Of course that's just how I see it, I didn't do any precise math.
Words I live by as far as online gaming is concerned(said by a Japanese game developer/producer) is that different culture of gamers exist, I'm from SEA and the gaming environment here is thick with RMT, which then translate to whenever a good method of getting/doing anything that is profitable is discovered it tend to be kept hidden or only spread among inner circle. So anyone sharing things like this is always a delight to me.
The stigma you get from transmitting the 2* is retained when you promote to a higher level. There is also a small gold increase that I didn't include. You wouldn't lose the initial value and you would spend 306 stigma in penguins to gain 510 stigma in blooms. It doesn't work for natural 3-5* in the same way because you lose the initial investment. I do see your point though and it's a good thing to bring up.
I think it's too much math for most people and they're just going to transmit their unused heroes. If you wanted the most profit, then the simplest thing to do is farm story mode in a higher episode with heroes that need friendship, buy penguins with the stigma, promote all the 2* drops to 3* and transmit them. Running max level heroes is way better than heroes that need EXP. I'm going to level the heroes that I want to keep with penguins, throw some gear on them, and then run them in story mode at level 60 to gain the friendship. The friendship gifts make a lot more sense in the new system.
@@AmazinglyAverage The actual total cost to convert a 2 star to a 3 star is… 3 penguins (306 stigma and 1800 gold to feed them to the fodder) and 2 lesser blooms (340 stigma) for promotion (plus 10k gold for the promotion itself). Grand total 646 stigma.
When you transmit your new 3 star fodder, you receive some gold, the same 80 stigma you would have gotten for the 2 star, and 4 lesser blooms. 80 + 680 = 760
For a difference of 114 stigma, hat you’re actually spending nearly 10k for. If gold is the end goal, this is actually terrible advice. You only get ‘some’ (2 blooms and a rng penguin here and there) that investment back.
I do agree that friendship point hold MUCH more value under the new system, however I’m still convinced advising people to promote 2 stars is doing a disservice to the community.
Thanks for covering this up.
I guess we're back to the old "too many calculations" just to save resources 😅
I just hope they improve something related to this...something like (at least) stories background battling
This take us back to where we were before penguin mileage except without dogs. It takes more time but it's more newbie friendly. Background battles on story mode would definitely help.
its actualy 2 to 3* , 12 to 4*, and 80 to 5* (5*16) total 470 lesser.. You miss count, for greater spirit is need 5 lesser.. not 4 14:27 soo its only 6% saving ((500-470)/500) hope its help!
Amazing video great explanation love u!!
Thanks so much! 😀
How do you get the 30x repeat battle? Mine is only 5x
Pets increase the repeat battles. Level 5 pet has a maximum of 30 battles. Before you click Start, click on the pet and then click Settings. This will allow you to change the number of repeat battles.
does increase xp buff gain us more stigma?
Yes! Most of the buffs stack as well and gives you a lot more stigma bonus