In this video we discuss the differences and similarities between the Indian made replica of the French Model, AN IX and the original French AN IX musket
I find the attempt at historical accuracy between the indian made guns compared to other higher priced replicas amazing. Am often much happier in my purchase of the indian made models when choosing to make modifications.
See no prob with buying an India made. What I do have a prob with is other reenactors shaming people who did buy an India made. All the while they jump into their Volvo's and B M'er's
I been tempted to buy an Indian musket. As for Pedersoli muskets I bought an 1816 flintlock Pedersoli and found the lock was much smaller than an original 1816 a friend of mine had. Spending alot of money on a brand name doesn't mean it is historically accurate.
I found several differences between my Harpers Ferry M1841(1852 Prod.) and the Pedersoli M1841 I purchased. The sights are the biggest differences. I do need to admit the original has the long range rear sight and bayonet lug. The front sight on the Pedersoli is about twice the width and twice the height of the original. Both are 54 CAL. I have not done a comparison with the Antonio Zoli M1841 in 58 CAL. I picked up a few months ago.
@@gotsloco1810 I had a 1841 in the 1855 arsenal rework done by James Rivers I had Bobby Holt reline the barrel to the correct progressive rifling. It shot great but unfortunately I ended up selling in in 2008 for medical bills.
I thing that’s why they made different so as no to be passed off as originals . Notice trigger is more forward . Is that a problem!Still hand made like originals would that be correct? Great program I will get one . Recommend the Indian musket and can you get replacement parts ! Here in uk they are holed and proof marked
Well done, a very erudite analysis! Even if we don't care enough to change them, we should always be aware of the differences between our replicas and the originals. I have to say I am very tired of the "thickness" of many modern replicas because they affect the balance and handling. I have a EuroArms P-1853 Enfield, and compared to an original it is heavy and clumsy, and that *does* affect shooting.
The replicas are beefier by about 10-15%. Plenty of room for treating these replicas as a kit. I am currently totally redoing my sea service pistol...losing 10-15% of steel/brass and restocking in walnut. Thanks for the video!
Good Morning gentlemen. What you did with the Charleville is fabulous. I have an India made Brown bess I purchased from another company, and the stock at the forearm is thick. Do you know if this is typical for the India Brown bess. I wasn't happy with it due to the overall thickness of the stock. Do you think there is enough room to remove some of that material.
Outstanding! Thanks for another great and detailed comparison. The Indian made musket looks robust, but the original was probably much more handier to lug and live with in the field for the average soldier. Both seem like attributes to me. 👍👍
Yeah just in the picture you could tell the wood was thinner on the original when you started the video it was that obvious an old Cher comes real close you made her look real good but
Hey Ethan, have you ever shot the Prussian M1809 “Potsdam” musket? I know Pedersoli makes the earlier flintlock version and I believe Military Heritage does too, I have an original from 1837 converted to percussion in 1843, was wondering if youve ever shot one or what your opinion is of them, would love to see a video of one if ever possible!
So no, I have actually never shot a potstom however, that was actually the very first original piece that I ever got to hold in my hands of that timer due to my father-in-law owning an original 1809 And I've got to say I love the way it feels and I love the way it looks. Hopefully one of these days I'll get one
I would have enjoyed seeing a video of you working on your defarbing and working in your musket stock, however I really enjoy all your video's, till next time friend, enjoy life.
I believe its pronounced AN for Annee (year IX) and not A and N. Don't mean to be critical. Your original is very nice and the Indian repro is not bad - just a little heavy in the stock as you pointed out. I used to reenact and sometimes shoot. I am just too wobbly walking nowadays. 10:12
The main gripe I have with the India musket is the trigger guard is too far to the rear causing the trigger to be ridiculously close to the front of the guard. Looks goofy.
Your barrel band springs were made very well on your Indian gun and look great. I think my Charleville may have been made in a hurry since my bands and springs don't look quite as nice as yours. Very cool to see the original/repro side by side.
If you're talking about the 1766 I pull up at the end. Those barrel bands are cast off of an original 1766's barrel bands from the rifle shop. They've still got the arsenal markings from the casting process on the sides
How come y’all never replied to me proving y’all wrong on mounted infantry/dragoons reference Duke De Parma in the 1500’s? Y’all just gloss over it? I learn new stuff all the time….no way we can know it all.
And yes, I'm always willing to admit whenever I'm wrong matter of fact I even admit it in this very video several times of things I was wrong on in the past
I have checked your channel and I do not see any videos that you have made on this subject or anything else. So I'm assuming you were talking about a comment. And seriously, if you want to prove me wrong on something, go ahead and make a video on it. Don't just leave a short little comment
Hey bud im about to order my first musket ever from military heritage, im torn between the Northwest trade gun and the French 1777 cavalry carbine, any recomendations on choosing between the two would be a great help. Love the videos thanks man.
I realize I'm a little late to this, but it would all depend on what you're going for. If you're going to reenact here in the United States say out west in the Northwest trade again will be the way to go. If you're doing Napoleonic or reenacting well then the 1777 would be the way to go. As for a fun shooter me personally, I would also go with the 1777
I went with the Northwest trade gun, I got it all defarbed , I finished that super shiny barrel and I love it, it's a blast to shoot,thanks for the reply bud👍
Another great video. Your depth of knowledge is, as always, impressive. I like your facts based comparison that points out differences without belittling the Indian product, and your recognition of their efforts to produce a reasonably accurate reproduction for the consumer market.
I love the internet for this. In a world of billions, there will be at least one person who has decided to detail whatever you're interested in.
I find the attempt at historical accuracy between the indian made guns compared to other higher priced replicas amazing. Am often much happier in my purchase of the indian made models when choosing to make modifications.
See no prob with buying an India made. What I do have a prob with is other reenactors shaming people who did buy an India made. All the while they jump into their Volvo's and B M'er's
Just pulling out original parts so casually, great success
Great comparison. Wish the old one could talk.
I been tempted to buy an Indian musket. As for Pedersoli muskets I bought an 1816 flintlock Pedersoli and found the lock was much smaller than an original 1816 a friend of mine had. Spending alot of money on a brand name doesn't mean it is historically accurate.
I found several differences between my Harpers Ferry M1841(1852 Prod.) and the Pedersoli M1841 I purchased. The sights are the biggest differences. I do need to admit the original has the long range rear sight and bayonet lug. The front sight on the Pedersoli is about twice the width and twice the height of the original. Both are 54 CAL.
I have not done a comparison with the Antonio Zoli M1841 in 58 CAL. I picked up a few months ago.
@@gotsloco1810 I had a 1841 in the 1855 arsenal rework done by James Rivers I had Bobby Holt reline the barrel to the correct progressive rifling. It shot great but unfortunately I ended up selling in in 2008 for medical bills.
I thing that’s why they made different so as no to be passed off as originals . Notice trigger is more forward . Is that a problem!Still hand made like originals would that be correct? Great program I will get one . Recommend the Indian musket and can you get replacement parts ! Here in uk they are holed and proof marked
Well done, a very erudite analysis! Even if we don't care enough to change them, we should always be aware of the differences between our replicas and the originals. I have to say I am very tired of the "thickness" of many modern replicas because they affect the balance and handling. I have a EuroArms P-1853 Enfield, and compared to an original it is heavy and clumsy, and that *does* affect shooting.
Good video Ethan...... Great information
The replicas are beefier by about 10-15%. Plenty of room for treating these replicas as a kit. I am currently totally redoing my sea service pistol...losing 10-15% of steel/brass and restocking in walnut. Thanks for the video!
Very cool!
Is there any original artifact blueprints of muskets?
Good side by side analysis... I am finally home from Guilford Courthouse... catching up on my youtube viewing...
I'm an Indian and it's crazy how you can buy these on the other corner of the planet, but if I buy this it'll be a felony.
Good Morning gentlemen. What you did with the Charleville is fabulous. I have an India made Brown bess I purchased from another company, and the stock at the forearm is thick. Do you know if this is typical for the India Brown bess. I wasn't happy with it due to the overall thickness of the stock. Do you think there is enough room to remove some of that material.
If it is too thick there's always enough room to thin it on down 😊
@@Real11BangBang Thanks guys. BTW, I shot it this weekend, and yes it felt like a log, but the lock is spot on. The timing is great.
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother and everyone thank you for sharing your adventures and information
Outstanding! Thanks for another great and detailed comparison. The Indian made musket looks robust, but the original was probably much more handier to lug and live with in the field for the average soldier. Both seem like attributes to me. 👍👍
Napoleon's musket. Over seven MILLION were made all over Europe. The different manufacturers account for these minor differences and more.
Thanks, its a beautiful flintlock
Yeah just in the picture you could tell the wood was thinner on the original when you started the video it was that obvious an old Cher comes real close you made her look real good but
Thanks
Ever since having discovered yalls channel a couple years ago I've wanted a 1766 charleville musket
Hey Ethan, have you ever shot the Prussian M1809 “Potsdam” musket? I know Pedersoli makes the earlier flintlock version and I believe Military Heritage does too, I have an original from 1837 converted to percussion in 1843, was wondering if youve ever shot one or what your opinion is of them, would love to see a video of one if ever possible!
So no, I have actually never shot a potstom however, that was actually the very first original piece that I ever got to hold in my hands of that timer due to my father-in-law owning an original 1809 And I've got to say I love the way it feels and I love the way it looks. Hopefully one of these days I'll get one
I would have enjoyed seeing a video of you working on your defarbing and working in your musket stock, however I really enjoy all your video's, till next time friend, enjoy life.
You such nice work 👏 👍 thanks for making the video.
I believe its pronounced AN for Annee (year IX) and not A and N. Don't mean to be critical. Your original is very nice and the Indian repro is not bad - just a little heavy in the stock as you pointed out. I used to reenact and sometimes shoot. I am just too wobbly walking nowadays. 10:12
The main gripe I have with the India musket is the trigger guard is too far to the rear causing the trigger to be ridiculously close to the front of the guard. Looks goofy.
Your barrel band springs were made very well on your Indian gun and look great. I think my Charleville may have been made in a hurry since my bands and springs don't look quite as nice as yours. Very cool to see the original/repro side by side.
Wow those are beautiful.
Thank you!
Really insightful!
I have a pedersoli charleville 1777 Musket and it has the pin hole for the ramrod spring...
Great video as always warcrime woody!!
Awesome. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
The barrel bands on your repros would look better switched.The one you did the work on should have narrower bands.
If you're talking about the 1766 I pull up at the end. Those barrel bands are cast off of an original 1766's barrel bands from the rifle shop. They've still got the arsenal markings from the casting process on the sides
How come y’all never replied to me proving y’all wrong on mounted infantry/dragoons reference Duke De Parma in the 1500’s? Y’all just gloss over it? I learn new stuff all the time….no way we can know it all.
I Probably didn't respond to it because I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Did you make a video or something
And yes, I'm always willing to admit whenever I'm wrong matter of fact I even admit it in this very video several times of things I was wrong on in the past
I have checked your channel and I do not see any videos that you have made on this subject or anything else. So I'm assuming you were talking about a comment. And seriously, if you want to prove me wrong on something, go ahead and make a video on it. Don't just leave a short little comment
Hey bud im about to order my first musket ever from military heritage, im torn between the Northwest trade gun and the French 1777 cavalry carbine, any recomendations on choosing between the two would be a great help. Love the videos thanks man.
I realize I'm a little late to this, but it would all depend on what you're going for. If you're going to reenact here in the United States say out west in the Northwest trade again will be the way to go. If you're doing Napoleonic or reenacting well then the 1777 would be the way to go. As for a fun shooter me personally, I would also go with the 1777
I went with the Northwest trade gun, I got it all defarbed , I finished that super shiny barrel and I love it, it's a blast to shoot,thanks for the reply bud👍
Another great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Another great video. Your depth of knowledge is, as always, impressive. I like your facts based comparison that points out differences without belittling the Indian product, and your recognition of their efforts to produce a reasonably accurate reproduction for the consumer market.
Thank you very much!
Your defarbing looks really good!
Thank you so much
Ty
Where does one find these Indian muskets for sale? What brand is it?
Website is Military Heritage, be aware it comes without the flash hole drilled you can fix that though!
I love the 19th century and the old west! I wish I could travel back in time to that time period and stay there! I was born in the wrong time period 🥺
I've had the same thoughts