Woolie doesn't get to smirk at Pat for forgetting to breathe out of stress in a video game, when he himself laughed so hard at Disco Elysium he re-broke his back.
It is extremely telling that the thing that can get Pat to override his difficulty mind goblin is the raw spite of a shitty guy implying he's doing it wrong.
@@Terra_Incognita115 Pat has Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) that manifests as an irrational desire to keep things in ordered states or done to his specifications. When something triggers his OCD, he calls the anxiety this creates in his mind, a “Mind Goblin” that will torment him until he escapes the situation that’s triggering his OCD. (Either by avoiding the cause, or powering through it, which can be very stressful. Which is why he devoted a series of streams to playing games that set off his OCD in the first place.)
I'm just imaging Corvo peeking over a ledge like a cartoon character, down at the lifeless corpse of his target he accidentally dropped, before slooooowly disappearing into the night and brainstorming a cool assassination story to tell his conspirators.
"So I let him fall, after painstakingly getting him away from his guards and tranquilizing him!" "Why didn't you just shoot him with a regular crossbow bolt, then? He was already at your mercy." "Because, uh, it was symbolic!" "Of what?" "Of, uh, how he's... let Dunwall down over the years? Shut up! Smokebomb!"
@@adams3627 "Corvo! Excellent job on your more recent mission. Though I am surprised you killed this target, you have been much more... _creative_ with your previous marks. You certainly never killed them." "Oh. Uh. Well. You see, this guy, he, uh... called Emily a brat once. Yeah." "I see. So, you must be one to hold grudges, hm?" "...Yes."
This made me imagine that Homer Simpson meme where he walks backwards and disappears into the hedges, only there's a corpse on the ground in front of him and he's dressed like Corvo.
Pathologic doesn't murder the Goblin, it fucking murders the soul too, you leave that game as a complete husk. Like, it broke me a bit cause i started to eat like I was eating in the game, tiny pieces of things every hour, i fucking lost weight, that game almost made me crazy, it seriously got to me.
If he completes Pathologic 2 on the intended difficulty, he will truly transcend... assuming he doesn’t take The Deal, which will be the true test. The Penultimate Goblin, if you will.
Premeditated was exactly how I played the game the first time through. Trying to be as pacifist as I could and then murdering the actual target, cause I'm an assassin lol. Once shit hit the fan storywise I dropped all pretenses and murded my way through the rest of the game and ended up getting a weird mix of both Low and High Chaos for the last stage.
I love hearing Pat talk about this. For one thing I find it intensely interesting, as Woolie seems to as well. But also, it helps build empathy and understanding for this in someone who isn't subjected to it themselves (me, and I suspect others). I feel it helps the reaction to "dude, I just _can't_ " go from dismissing the person's plight, towards accepting/understanding it. To more fully understand that there are people going through life with these legitimate problems that others literally can't fathom having, and that those problems are real and deserving of patience and empathy.
Pat: “The mold on the dishes will give us AIDS.” Also Pat: Will dump a full garbage can onto the ground because f**k it. Also also Pat: Is willing to become a toilet for immortality. More Pat: Calls Woolie a race traitor for thinking the XCOM aliens are cool.
There is actually more than 2 endings, kinda, there is a variation on the High Chaos ending if you cross that threshold but never go totally nuts with it, and the difference is Immediate upon entering the final zone. The boat man, whatever his name is, will alert the guards right after you get off the boat on the High Chaos ending, but if you were kinda in the middle, instead he is just depressed and basically goes "Ok, well, time to go off myself." and doesn't fire the flare to alert the guards.
That's not the Third ending, that's the third level start scenario. The third ending is failing to save Emily in a High Chaos run and watching her fall to her death.
That one about the dad being disappointed in his son is so wild to me. It's really the "Jock sports dad who wants his son to stop doing "lame" things like theatre or dance and pick up a football" idea entirely encapsulated in video games. I bet literally infinity dollars that that kid ends up on whatever version of VR Chat is big in his mid-teens.
I replayed Dishonored recently and decided since my first playthrough got the good ending I'd just play to have fun and see how awful things get if I go out of my way to kill everyone. It was honestly really fun and some really interesting things happen differently with high chaos.
Ok, the "did I lock the door?" thing I can relate to. Because it's something I usually do on autopilot, but I forget or fuck up enough little things that I get anxious when I can't specifically remember doing it and can't afford to go back and check.
Yeah stealth games are probably where my personal mind goblins come out. Get spotted? Reload. Kill a single guard? Reload. Infiltration go even slightly awry? Reload.
It makes sense. People can die and be low chaos. It's a revolution and the guards serve the bad guys but are just doing their jobs. Wanton slaughter isn't called for when Corvo has the tools to do it quietly but at the same time no one is expecting a saint, it's a coup after all.
I was literally in a car with my brother once going home from work and I basically shout at him that he had not actually hit a cat when he hit the curb slightly, because his OCD almost made him turn around back into a busy rush hour town centre to double check. Same with my SO but less severe, she often worries about having hit someone while driving when what she’s describing is way too mild to have been hitting someone.
i didn't always do the killing personally, but i've been in a vehicle while hitting several different types of animals over the years. rabbit, cat, dog, even a bird. makes me wonder... but anyhoo. it's a very visceral feeling. you can almost feel the animal through the car. if you're not sure if you hit something, you didn't.
I particularly like Pat's description of OCD; it being a game with endless rules your brain invents. To me that sounds like playing a challenge run of your own life for no reason and no one else knows you're doing it.
The Witcher 3 was kinda my game to fix my mind goblin the ability to use potions and rest to get them back helped immensely. It Made me realize that I can use items in games and just get them back later. Fucking love that game, just wish I learned that years ago.
Speedrunning got me to kill my item use mind goblins (specifically Sekiro and FF6) and it's so wild now watching people play games and never use items. I'm going back to a lot of games I played back in the day and having so much more fun because I'm playing through mistakes and living that risk/reward life. 10/10 would recommend.
When Woolie asked about what would happen to Pat if he got stuck in an uncomfortable OCD situation he couldn't get out of, I was reminded of General Bolt from the game Thousand Arms. General Bolt was a robot man that hated big words with a passion. When he was wounded by the hero party, his auto repair system kicked in, which happened to have an audible voice declaring what it was doing. The auto repair voice announcing things like "running a diagnostic" infuriated Bolt, but the thing saying the big words was his own body, so he couldn't do anything to stop it. This anger welled up inside him more and more as the system kept spouting off big words, until Bolt ballooned to the point he couldn't breathe and exploded. That's what I think would happen to Pat if he was trapped by his OCD. Figuratively speaking.
You can get a good ending with high chaos, it just requires you act really quickly during the final mission and it triggers an ending that to this day not many people know about (but I verified before posting this comment does exist). It's basically same as a low chaos ending but with a darker ending narration So there are actually 3 endings
That's the normal high chaos ending... There's 3 endings. Low chaos=happy ending High chaos=the empire is kinda fucked and Emily is gonna have to try and fix it High chaos alternative=you dont save Emily at the end of the high chaos playthrough (when she is hanging on to the railing) and the ending is "Dunwall is fucked forever" That last one is the ending most people don't know about, because it's fairly easy to rescue Emily at the end of the high chaos run.
The overly-wholesome congratulations is understandable. Watching a guy essentially engage in therapy to overcome parts of his own OCD is very relatable to those of us with even minor goblins, and we get vicarious catharsis from watching it. It's the same reason I'll make grenade/consumable builds in RPGs to challenge my hoarding instinct.
Pat playing a few fire emblems ought to have lots of min max compulsions for exp sharing/unit managing. I had a pretty neurotic approach to making eugenically superior war children in awakening .
Min maxing those relationships for high stats? Horrible, can't believe you would do this. What I do is have every eligible couple in the army go on a series of dates with each other while I spy on them. After listening in on every date, I then decide FOR them which was the cutest interaction and forcefully marry them off on that basis. I think we can all agree that's a much more normal and not manipulative thing to do. : )
@@SBJ_Tube I feel you, but sometimes you gotta check their DNA before the last date to make sure their future children can keep up. And if they can't, well, there's always the second cutest interaction.
The physics thing reminds me of a bug I had in cyberpunk where I would put an unconscious body down and they would hit the ground with great force in a shower of blood
25:15 Well, make sure to dry the goblin well after cleansing, so there'll be no mold growing on it. Trolling aside, challenging yourself in order to grow is a good thing. So, good job.
Pat's thing about OCD being a fun game where you make up rules for yourself and then follow them. Is actually mentioned in the Shadow of the Coloussus part 9 from years ago, it's funny how much it truely sticks with him.
pathfinder wotr actually fixes that mind goblin for pat. The corruption system slightly discourages that thinking through giving debuffs if you spam camping after every fight.
"Every single one of them." I want to file a complain Woolie, I'm here because it's really *encouraging* to see someone overcome their (self imposed or otherwise) mental trauma and honestly it's kind of useful and encouraging me to overcome my *own* elixir-based demons. So idk, seeing Pat be able to do it is a nice thing.
So I completely get Pat's point as I tried my hardest not to overkill in Dishonor and kept getting low chaos then one mission I wasn't having fun and went screw it killed a decent amount of people and still got low chaos...that's when I realized the kill limit is higher than I thought, and had a lot more fun playing that way.
I got so bad on the first last of us that any time I’d miss a shot, I’d say that was unnecessary and reload so that I did the encounter perfectly. Safe to say I stopped missing shots altogether to avoid doing that, my mind goblins forced me to do better basically
RimWorld has a tutorial about how to stay safe from fire where it tells you to build every room in your base as a separate building, supposedly to avoid fire spreading between different rooms. Except that grass ignites and stone walls and floors don't, and the game's temperature control system becomes a lot more expensive to deal with when you don't have shared walls between rooms. Building a single mega-building is better in pretty much every way than building your kitchen as a separate building from your dining room.
I Remember playing dishonored when I was like thirteen and being suprised and kinda mad i got the bad ending for killing and assassinating people in an assassin game
I mean you can kill people and even kill all the targets and still get low chaos. Going overboard and killing everyone you see will result in High chaos
it's based on how you went about it which is something that alot of the people who complain about the morality/chaos system seem to not understand. there's a difference between infiltrating a party to kill a noble and walking through the front door killing everyone in your way while alerting every guard in dunwall.
To be honest, getting the tutorial every time you fail to ghost sounds convenient, if you could open the pause menu over the tutorial pop-up. It'd make damn sure that you never got seen without realizing and accidentally fucked your playthrough.
Dishonored's morality system is awful, as it is with most games from that era using the gimmick. That said it's worthwhile to do multiple playthroughs (high chaos, low chaos, ghost, etc) to see the whole spectrum of gameplay. Minimal kills? That's a fun challenge. StealthGamerBR-esque carnage? Also fun. There's even an achievement for beating the whole game with only the non-upgraded teleport. I did that on my ghost/no kill run which made it exponentially more challenging. I would really recommend anyone NOT feel pressured to ghost/no kill it the first time through just because of a bad tooltip.
As fun as the combat is; finding a way to get through the game unseen and with no kills makes you really appreciate the level design. There's a ton of ways to approach most situtations which is why I love Arkane.
As someone who really enjoyed the Dishonored series waaay more than I thought I would, Pat’s mind goblin hangup has never even once been a thing to me. I did the whole FOXHOUND, no traces, no killing thing in MGSV but that was just for the patch. I find personal difficulty incentives fascinating.
And then Dishonored 2 made High Chaos Corvo just Canon Corvo! That dad article has to be a parody... Related note, I gave up a Dishonored Ghost run entirely during the bit when the Whalers are introduced, because at one point a Whaler would just Blink from his little perch directly in front of me, spot me as I killed him, and I would reload, get past one and it would happen again. So I tried to learn their pathing and teleport routes? Okay. Then one teleported and popped up behind me and I said, 'Yep, screw it.' and killed him and went right on with the game.
Honestly Dishonored, when you start being chaotic, produces more enemies in levels which means to stay chaotic you need to kill more people or else the game becomes easier and goes back to to low chaos. It’s interesting how the game molds to your grip, but it works quite hard, once you’re a few missions in and have better stealth powers, to help you work in low chaos. The problem is they have these different endings and low chaos is clearly good. I really despise that. You can do terrible things and get the good ending. But playing the chaos route is the actual fun route. In a normal run the best parts were always when you went crazy for a second and blew a bunch of stuff up and killed a load of guys before getting back in stealth, or dying. Those 5 seconds before a death were the best five seconds of the run so far. Now back to playing “right” and being bored. Enjoy the game. All thanks to the “good ending” trope.
yea i actually end up having way more fun with games set to the easiest difficulty because you get to fuck about/fuck up more often and its not a big deal. sometimes you just want to see if a dumb idea will work, things like that, also just extra power fantasy occasionally can be fun too.
I've had the same problem as pat but with stealth games in general. If I got seen, I reset the level. If even an ai just saw a body, I reset. But I was showing a friend mgs5 and he saw all the cool weapons I would never use because they were loud and or lethal. I took them in to show them off and it let me get out of that funk. I had just as much fun if not more blowing out bases and just running at dudes. Playing around other people for sure helped the mind goblins
seriously? he thought that killing even 1 person was going to give him the chaos end? i thought his mind goblin was that he wanted to do it perfectly and thats it. but there was a legitimate fear here?
Interesting. I never thought I have ocd. I've never had as drastic experiences as Pat. But I do from time to time set up stupid tasks for myself I CANNOT not do, even if it is detrimental to me
My favorite part about dishonored was those several times where I used one of my VERY HARD TO GET tranq darts to knock someone out, and they fell into the water drowning/got eaten by rats that I didn't see. Every kill in my first playthrough was this. I got the bad ending and never played again because I was upset that I tried so hard not to kill anyone, yet Samuel DESPISED me because of how hard the environment tries to kill unconscious people.
I think it really says something about me that Pat describes playing playing game completely stealthy without murdering people at all is a horrible way to play the game but it's how I have the most fun with the series.
I agree, but I can definitely get that from the first Dishonored game. I usually try to ghost my way through steel games, but you can feel that it was a second thought when compared to other stealth games.
Its a horrible way to play on your first playthrough imo. Personally, I have to learn the layout of each mission before I can attempt to ghost it or else I'll make myself miserable. Everyone has their own tastes, however.
I remember when I played I would reload every time I killed someone, but I just kinda gave up after a level or two. After that I did my best to not kill anyone, but didn't hesitate to murder a bitch if I had no other option (though I still reloaded a lot)
Stuff like this is why I love the true bad route in Undertale, you either go all the way with killing or you don't get it. Same with the golden ending, either go full pacifists or nothing. You can't accidentally get either.
I played the game trying go be non lethal but killing when it was necessary to not redo the level 29 times and killed literally everyone on the last level and still got the good ending
@@omegacloud99 It's been a while, but if I remember correctly it took me like four high chaos missions to get to high chaos, and I was able to, over the course of playing the rest of the game super low chaos, bring the overall chaos back to low.
I understand the mind goblins feels. It's not as intense, but it causes feelings that take enjoyment away. My solution without realizing is achievement hunting. Every game I play I target 100% of the achievements. Clear goals, mind goblin-ee things either now a requirement for an achievement, or auto-ignored because not helpful for an achievement.
Maybe I should try Dishonored again. I really felt the push to no killing so bad I ended up quitting completely. Aside from taking out the targets themselves non-lethally, playing the entire game like that is miserable
very frustrating to follow Pat's wrestling and griping about this game on Twitter and have him finally discuss it on the podcast after having gone in first-hand, only for him to say that thing about 50%, which causes Woolie to title the segment something completely inaccurate to the actual mechanics of Dishonored. (20% of people killed = High Chaos, it's just that once you pass 50%, a couple extra things happen in that High Chaos that wouldn't have happened at 49% or lower.)
Same problem with the metro series. In the classic 2033, it was even worse since you can’t sedate people and legit 100% no harm the guards. I just wanna run and Gun but that’s a no no.
Yeah dude, don't worry about that, once you figure out what the "good" actions are, it's actually super hard to *not* get the good ending even if you try to kill everyone
Where's the article? All I'm finding is stuff about "Dad played video game while child died of hunger" and "Parents upset young child in single digit age plays game instead of getting a job" and the like.
I've done a Clean Hands + Ghost + Mostly Flesh & Steel three-in-one run but I don't know if it's possible to complete the game without using Blink at all.
I wish Pat understood what Woolie was talking about faster. I don’t know if it was a communications mishap or just Woolie / Pat not understanding the other, but I really wanna know how bad the symptoms get whenever Pat has a panic attack. I worry about this fat, lovable man.
There has always been a weird quirk of Pat's logic to me where his interpretation of something being wrong becomes the thing lied to me and he blames it for being bad instead of just going "oh I was mistaken"
That article from the guy pissed at his son's way of playing is so sad. That guy sucks. My mum encouraged me playing games and if I struggled she'd help out, even if what I was doing wasn't necessarily a part of the game story. Games are big sandboxes, get over difficulty pompousness.
Yeah I was about to say. P sure it's just like "if you kill more ppl u get more rats and plague gets worse and darker outcome". Not that you SHOULDNT kill ppl
Woolie doesn't get to smirk at Pat for forgetting to breathe out of stress in a video game, when he himself laughed so hard at Disco Elysium he re-broke his back.
Lmao. Castle Super Old
It is extremely telling that the thing that can get Pat to override his difficulty mind goblin is the raw spite of a shitty guy implying he's doing it wrong.
Spite is a powerful thing
f*cking mood
Easy Mode has now been selected
What's a mind goblin?
@@Terra_Incognita115 Pat has Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) that manifests as an irrational desire to keep things in ordered states or done to his specifications. When something triggers his OCD, he calls the anxiety this creates in his mind, a “Mind Goblin” that will torment him until he escapes the situation that’s triggering his OCD. (Either by avoiding the cause, or powering through it, which can be very stressful. Which is why he devoted a series of streams to playing games that set off his OCD in the first place.)
I'm just imaging Corvo peeking over a ledge like a cartoon character, down at the lifeless corpse of his target he accidentally dropped, before slooooowly disappearing into the night and brainstorming a cool assassination story to tell his conspirators.
This is a Plague animation waiting to happen
"So I let him fall, after painstakingly getting him away from his guards and tranquilizing him!"
"Why didn't you just shoot him with a regular crossbow bolt, then? He was already at your mercy."
"Because, uh, it was symbolic!"
"Of what?"
"Of, uh, how he's... let Dunwall down over the years? Shut up! Smokebomb!"
@@adams3627 "Corvo! Excellent job on your more recent mission. Though I am surprised you killed this target, you have been much more... _creative_ with your previous marks. You certainly never killed them."
"Oh. Uh. Well. You see, this guy, he, uh... called Emily a brat once. Yeah."
"I see. So, you must be one to hold grudges, hm?"
"...Yes."
Corvo was here
This made me imagine that Homer Simpson meme where he walks backwards and disappears into the hedges, only there's a corpse on the ground in front of him and he's dressed like Corvo.
Vaas: "Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?"
Pat:"Buddy, how much time you got?"
Alternative title: Pat explains his newfound masochism.
Pat details his transition to baby diaper mode
Newfound? He's been dating Paige for years!
If Pat wants to do a Kill the Mind Goblin series, he needs to go back to Pathologic 2
Pathologic doesn't murder the Goblin, it fucking murders the soul too, you leave that game as a complete husk. Like, it broke me a bit cause i started to eat like I was eating in the game, tiny pieces of things every hour, i fucking lost weight, that game almost made me crazy, it seriously got to me.
Dude, I don't even have the goblins for most things, but that game started to mess with me after only playing it for like 3 hours.
If he completes Pathologic 2 on the intended difficulty, he will truly transcend... assuming he doesn’t take The Deal, which will be the true test. The Penultimate Goblin, if you will.
@@remainprofane7732 I didn't even get to that deal i think, i played 5 hours of it and felt like i needed to restart due to the amount of fuck ups.
@@QMMarc The fact that dying has negative consequences that persist even if you save scum and also can STACK if you save scum, is quite something
It's simple, you count the number of targets and see what 50%-1 ends up being. It's not chaotic, it's PREMEDITATED! 😀
Premeditated was exactly how I played the game the first time through. Trying to be as pacifist as I could and then murdering the actual target, cause I'm an assassin lol.
Once shit hit the fan storywise I dropped all pretenses and murded my way through the rest of the game and ended up getting a weird mix of both Low and High Chaos for the last stage.
I’m the kind of shit that will 50/50 harvesting the little sisters in bio-shock: out of curiosity of how the game deals with lack of commitment
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat but you committed to doing it 50/50.
I love hearing Pat talk about this. For one thing I find it intensely interesting, as Woolie seems to as well.
But also, it helps build empathy and understanding for this in someone who isn't subjected to it themselves (me, and I suspect others). I feel it helps the reaction to "dude, I just _can't_ " go from dismissing the person's plight, towards accepting/understanding it. To more fully understand that there are people going through life with these legitimate problems that others literally can't fathom having, and that those problems are real and deserving of patience and empathy.
Shut up
Pat: “The mold on the dishes will give us AIDS.”
Also Pat: Will dump a full garbage can onto the ground because f**k it.
Also also Pat: Is willing to become a toilet for immortality.
More Pat: Calls Woolie a race traitor for thinking the XCOM aliens are cool.
Can't get AIDS as a toilet
He is a fuckin race traitor.
They are really cool though.
There is actually more than 2 endings, kinda, there is a variation on the High Chaos ending if you cross that threshold but never go totally nuts with it, and the difference is Immediate upon entering the final zone. The boat man, whatever his name is, will alert the guards right after you get off the boat on the High Chaos ending, but if you were kinda in the middle, instead he is just depressed and basically goes "Ok, well, time to go off myself." and doesn't fire the flare to alert the guards.
That's not the Third ending, that's the third level start scenario. The third ending is failing to save Emily in a High Chaos run and watching her fall to her death.
That one about the dad being disappointed in his son is so wild to me. It's really the "Jock sports dad who wants his son to stop doing "lame" things like theatre or dance and pick up a football" idea entirely encapsulated in video games.
I bet literally infinity dollars that that kid ends up on whatever version of VR Chat is big in his mid-teens.
Gonna need a Twitch clip of Pat's woopsie doodle assassination of that mission target.
ua-cam.com/video/QnSO-_EJB8A/v-deo.html Ask and you shall receive
@@joshbored15 Perfect, well done.
@@joshbored15 Thank you too; I'd seen it already, but handy to have that clip. :)
I replayed Dishonored recently and decided since my first playthrough got the good ending I'd just play to have fun and see how awful things get if I go out of my way to kill everyone.
It was honestly really fun and some really interesting things happen differently with high chaos.
Should we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?
Never doubt it.
Yes, I believe so
Yes, indeed.
Blow off, choffer!
Ok, the "did I lock the door?" thing I can relate to. Because it's something I usually do on autopilot, but I forget or fuck up enough little things that I get anxious when I can't specifically remember doing it and can't afford to go back and check.
this i feel this so much since i work early mornings
Pat is a guy who won't finish a game his fans want him to in order to play a game solely to spite his friend for not beating it as fast as him.
Yeah stealth games are probably where my personal mind goblins come out.
Get spotted? Reload.
Kill a single guard? Reload.
Infiltration go even slightly awry? Reload.
It makes sense. People can die and be low chaos. It's a revolution and the guards serve the bad guys but are just doing their jobs. Wanton slaughter isn't called for when Corvo has the tools to do it quietly but at the same time no one is expecting a saint, it's a coup after all.
Yup its actually well thought out. Pat is a lunatic tho so ya know....
@@LargeInCharge77 tbf a lot of games aren't as forgiving as dishonored is on that front. And for many people a mind goblin like this exist
I was literally in a car with my brother once going home from work and I basically shout at him that he had not actually hit a cat when he hit the curb slightly, because his OCD almost made him turn around back into a busy rush hour town centre to double check.
Same with my SO but less severe, she often worries about having hit someone while driving when what she’s describing is way too mild to have been hitting someone.
And Michael Scott’s over here complaining about speed bumps on the highway
i didn't always do the killing personally, but i've been in a vehicle while hitting several different types of animals over the years. rabbit, cat, dog, even a bird. makes me wonder... but anyhoo.
it's a very visceral feeling. you can almost feel the animal through the car. if you're not sure if you hit something, you didn't.
As a person who loves playing high chaos, this is hilarious.
"I forgot to breathe"...yeah I'm gonna be watching this series now
They took this new season of Goblin Slayer in a weird direction
I particularly like Pat's description of OCD; it being a game with endless rules your brain invents. To me that sounds like playing a challenge run of your own life for no reason and no one else knows you're doing it.
The Witcher 3 was kinda my game to fix my mind goblin the ability to use potions and rest to get them back helped immensely. It Made me realize that I can use items in games and just get them back later. Fucking love that game, just wish I learned that years ago.
Speedrunning got me to kill my item use mind goblins (specifically Sekiro and FF6) and it's so wild now watching people play games and never use items. I'm going back to a lot of games I played back in the day and having so much more fun because I'm playing through mistakes and living that risk/reward life. 10/10 would recommend.
When Woolie asked about what would happen to Pat if he got stuck in an uncomfortable OCD situation he couldn't get out of, I was reminded of General Bolt from the game Thousand Arms. General Bolt was a robot man that hated big words with a passion. When he was wounded by the hero party, his auto repair system kicked in, which happened to have an audible voice declaring what it was doing. The auto repair voice announcing things like "running a diagnostic" infuriated Bolt, but the thing saying the big words was his own body, so he couldn't do anything to stop it. This anger welled up inside him more and more as the system kept spouting off big words, until Bolt ballooned to the point he couldn't breathe and exploded. That's what I think would happen to Pat if he was trapped by his OCD. Figuratively speaking.
Dishonored is a good game
True
Dishonored 2 and DOTO are also good games
Not so much the sequels
@@ginger-ham4800 bro D2 is BETTER just because of Clockwork Mansion and Crack in the Slab
Dishonored is great unless your Pat.
You can get a good ending with high chaos, it just requires you act really quickly during the final mission and it triggers an ending that to this day not many people know about (but I verified before posting this comment does exist). It's basically same as a low chaos ending but with a darker ending narration
So there are actually 3 endings
That's the normal high chaos ending...
There's 3 endings.
Low chaos=happy ending
High chaos=the empire is kinda fucked and Emily is gonna have to try and fix it
High chaos alternative=you dont save Emily at the end of the high chaos playthrough (when she is hanging on to the railing) and the ending is "Dunwall is fucked forever"
That last one is the ending most people don't know about, because it's fairly easy to rescue Emily at the end of the high chaos run.
@@xenowarrior282 No, the alt ending is the one most people get
The overly-wholesome congratulations is understandable. Watching a guy essentially engage in therapy to overcome parts of his own OCD is very relatable to those of us with even minor goblins, and we get vicarious catharsis from watching it. It's the same reason I'll make grenade/consumable builds in RPGs to challenge my hoarding instinct.
Pat playing a few fire emblems ought to have lots of min max compulsions for exp sharing/unit managing. I had a pretty neurotic approach to making eugenically superior war children in awakening .
Create the perfect child soldier and make sure to throw them into the time portal for the best effects.
I actually had to stop playing the fire emblem series because of my mind goblins. I love the series in a lot of ways, but I cannot. I just cannot.
Min maxing those relationships for high stats? Horrible, can't believe you would do this. What I do is have every eligible couple in the army go on a series of dates with each other while I spy on them. After listening in on every date, I then decide FOR them which was the cutest interaction and forcefully marry them off on that basis. I think we can all agree that's a much more normal and not manipulative thing to do. : )
@@SBJ_Tube I feel you, but sometimes you gotta check their DNA before the last date to make sure their future children can keep up. And if they can't, well, there's always the second cutest interaction.
Galeforce for everyone!
The physics thing reminds me of a bug I had in cyberpunk where I would put an unconscious body down and they would hit the ground with great force in a shower of blood
25:15 Well, make sure to dry the goblin well after cleansing, so there'll be no mold growing on it.
Trolling aside, challenging yourself in order to grow is a good thing. So, good job.
Pat is actually doing the whole, "Gaming is my therapy" and its totally working.
Pat's thing about OCD being a fun game where you make up rules for yourself and then follow them. Is actually mentioned in the Shadow of the Coloussus part 9 from years ago, it's funny how much it truely sticks with him.
pathfinder wotr actually fixes that mind goblin for pat. The corruption system slightly discourages that thinking through giving debuffs if you spam camping after every fight.
"That goblin just got slain for free, cuz spite is far stronger than whatever's goin on up here"
That's so definitively Pat
"Every single one of them." I want to file a complain Woolie, I'm here because it's really *encouraging* to see someone overcome their (self imposed or otherwise) mental trauma and honestly it's kind of useful and encouraging me to overcome my *own* elixir-based demons. So idk, seeing Pat be able to do it is a nice thing.
if pat and amelia watson ever collabed what would the result be?
So I completely get Pat's point as I tried my hardest not to overkill in Dishonor and kept getting low chaos then one mission I wasn't having fun and went screw it killed a decent amount of people and still got low chaos...that's when I realized the kill limit is higher than I thought, and had a lot more fun playing that way.
I got so bad on the first last of us that any time I’d miss a shot, I’d say that was unnecessary and reload so that I did the encounter perfectly. Safe to say I stopped missing shots altogether to avoid doing that, my mind goblins forced me to do better basically
RimWorld has a tutorial about how to stay safe from fire where it tells you to build every room in your base as a separate building, supposedly to avoid fire spreading between different rooms. Except that grass ignites and stone walls and floors don't, and the game's temperature control system becomes a lot more expensive to deal with when you don't have shared walls between rooms. Building a single mega-building is better in pretty much every way than building your kitchen as a separate building from your dining room.
This is my favorite weekly dishonored podcast.
I loved my Dishonored pacifist runs, however if i were making mistakes like those i would hate the game too.
If Pat continues resting after every fight in WotR, he'll soon find that the demon hordes will not wait on him.
The miles Morales story is what happens when a dark souls "no game should have easy mode" fan becomes a parent. That shit isn't always the answer.
There is a story on twitter about a mom who burns her kids pokemon cards because he won't eat enough "to build muscle"
Being Pat is suffering
I can't remember the endings to Dishonoured but I remember the Sequel, which is strange since I played both back-to-back
My problem with Dishonored is that it promotes stealth too much for how fun the combat is, which is the same problem i had with Ghost of Tsushima.
You should check out Dishonored 2. Way more focus on allowing straight up combat.
At least Ghost of Tsushima story doesn't punish you for doing combos
You mostly don't have to be stealthy in ghost of Tsushima though, besides a couple of save the villagers missions
Then just...dont do the stealth?
You ain't forced. And it ain't "promoted" when the game says multiple times "play your own way"
@@xenowarrior282 but you don't understand they want to get the good ending without putting in any effort to get it.
i don't know if it's sad or ironic that i know way too many people who would've actually benefited from the "bean dad" type of parenting.
I Remember playing dishonored when I was like thirteen and being suprised and kinda mad i got the bad ending for killing and assassinating people in an assassin game
I mean you can kill people and even kill all the targets and still get low chaos. Going overboard and killing everyone you see will result in High chaos
it's based on how you went about it which is something that alot of the people who complain about the morality/chaos system seem to not understand.
there's a difference between infiltrating a party to kill a noble and walking through the front door killing everyone in your way while alerting every guard in dunwall.
You got surprised and kinda mad when you got the bad ending for being a murder crazy physcopath?
It's the better ending though.
@@OfficerHotpants that's a good point.
When I played Halo as a kid, I'd never pick up a gun that didn't have 100% ammo or use it.
To be honest, getting the tutorial every time you fail to ghost sounds convenient, if you could open the pause menu over the tutorial pop-up.
It'd make damn sure that you never got seen without realizing and accidentally fucked your playthrough.
See, I just gave up on going for low chaos once I hit the flooded district, and took an "okay, everybody dies" approach instead.
Dishonored's morality system is awful, as it is with most games from that era using the gimmick. That said it's worthwhile to do multiple playthroughs (high chaos, low chaos, ghost, etc) to see the whole spectrum of gameplay. Minimal kills? That's a fun challenge. StealthGamerBR-esque carnage? Also fun. There's even an achievement for beating the whole game with only the non-upgraded teleport. I did that on my ghost/no kill run which made it exponentially more challenging.
I would really recommend anyone NOT feel pressured to ghost/no kill it the first time through just because of a bad tooltip.
As fun as the combat is; finding a way to get through the game unseen and with no kills makes you really appreciate the level design. There's a ton of ways to approach most situtations which is why I love Arkane.
@@Tuschi17 Oh yeah the level design too, can really see the inspiration from Thief there.
That ashamed dad story is hilarious
Pat, the Reckoning: Screams naked at wall centipedes in the dead of night.
As someone who really enjoyed the Dishonored series waaay more than I thought I would, Pat’s mind goblin hangup has never even once been a thing to me.
I did the whole FOXHOUND, no traces, no killing thing in MGSV but that was just for the patch. I find personal difficulty incentives fascinating.
That article is a struggle tweets moment
And then Dishonored 2 made High Chaos Corvo just Canon Corvo!
That dad article has to be a parody...
Related note, I gave up a Dishonored Ghost run entirely during the bit when the Whalers are introduced, because at one point a Whaler would just Blink from his little perch directly in front of me, spot me as I killed him, and I would reload, get past one and it would happen again. So I tried to learn their pathing and teleport routes? Okay. Then one teleported and popped up behind me and I said, 'Yep, screw it.' and killed him and went right on with the game.
Honestly Dishonored, when you start being chaotic, produces more enemies in levels which means to stay chaotic you need to kill more people or else the game becomes easier and goes back to to low chaos. It’s interesting how the game molds to your grip, but it works quite hard, once you’re a few missions in and have better stealth powers, to help you work in low chaos.
The problem is they have these different endings and low chaos is clearly good. I really despise that. You can do terrible things and get the good ending. But playing the chaos route is the actual fun route. In a normal run the best parts were always when you went crazy for a second and blew a bunch of stuff up and killed a load of guys before getting back in stealth, or dying. Those 5 seconds before a death were the best five seconds of the run so far. Now back to playing “right” and being bored. Enjoy the game.
All thanks to the “good ending” trope.
I remember I got the chaos ending on my first play through just because I sucked at the stealth parts so I just had to kill everyone to survive
The tsundere melting of Patrick
This game gets me real bad. My mind goblins make it so any time stealth is possible, stealth becomes mandatory. Real bad.
yea i actually end up having way more fun with games set to the easiest difficulty because you get to fuck about/fuck up more often and its not a big deal.
sometimes you just want to see if a dumb idea will work, things like that, also just extra power fantasy occasionally can be fun too.
I just realized I've got the mind goblins
I've had the same problem as pat but with stealth games in general. If I got seen, I reset the level. If even an ai just saw a body, I reset. But I was showing a friend mgs5 and he saw all the cool weapons I would never use because they were loud and or lethal. I took them in to show them off and it let me get out of that funk. I had just as much fun if not more blowing out bases and just running at dudes. Playing around other people for sure helped the mind goblins
seriously? he thought that killing even 1 person was going to give him the chaos end? i thought his mind goblin was that he wanted to do it perfectly and thats it. but there was a legitimate fear here?
Interesting. I never thought I have ocd. I've never had as drastic experiences as Pat. But I do from time to time set up stupid tasks for myself I CANNOT not do, even if it is detrimental to me
My favorite part about dishonored was those several times where I used one of my VERY HARD TO GET tranq darts to knock someone out, and they fell into the water drowning/got eaten by rats that I didn't see. Every kill in my first playthrough was this. I got the bad ending and never played again because I was upset that I tried so hard not to kill anyone, yet Samuel DESPISED me because of how hard the environment tries to kill unconscious people.
I think it really says something about me that Pat describes playing playing game completely stealthy without murdering people at all is a horrible way to play the game but it's how I have the most fun with the series.
yeah he really doesn't get stealth games.
I agree, but I can definitely get that from the first Dishonored game. I usually try to ghost my way through steel games, but you can feel that it was a second thought when compared to other stealth games.
Its a horrible way to play on your first playthrough imo. Personally, I have to learn the layout of each mission before I can attempt to ghost it or else I'll make myself miserable. Everyone has their own tastes, however.
I remember when I played I would reload every time I killed someone, but I just kinda gave up after a level or two. After that I did my best to not kill anyone, but didn't hesitate to murder a bitch if I had no other option (though I still reloaded a lot)
Stuff like this is why I love the true bad route in Undertale, you either go all the way with killing or you don't get it. Same with the golden ending, either go full pacifists or nothing. You can't accidentally get either.
underworld ascendant is a better modern spiritual successor of a classic 90's pc game series :)
who knew that the deadliest enemy of the game was the tips
I played the game trying go be non lethal but killing when it was necessary to not redo the level 29 times and killed literally everyone on the last level and still got the good ending
Is chaos not counter throughout the entire game?
It is, you have to get high chaos over a few separate missions to get an overall high chaos state
at the end of every stage, you get a results screen that tells you whether you're High Chaos or Low Chaos at that point.
@@KotoRyu i was under the impression that every bit of chaos would add up over the whole game and that two low chaos would add up to a medium chaos.
@@omegacloud99 It's been a while, but if I remember correctly it took me like four high chaos missions to get to high chaos, and I was able to, over the course of playing the rest of the game super low chaos, bring the overall chaos back to low.
This sounds like Woolies Jigsaw origin story, lol.
Oh my god, Pat's going to try Pathologic?
He WILL vomit on stream.
Pat's OCD would make it impossible for him to play Pathologic 2, lol
I understand the mind goblins feels. It's not as intense, but it causes feelings that take enjoyment away.
My solution without realizing is achievement hunting. Every game I play I target 100% of the achievements. Clear goals, mind goblin-ee things either now a requirement for an achievement, or auto-ignored because not helpful for an achievement.
Can’t wait to see Pat lose his fucking mind over Pathologic.
Maybe I should try Dishonored again. I really felt the push to no killing so bad I ended up quitting completely. Aside from taking out the targets themselves non-lethally, playing the entire game like that is miserable
*Mind Goblin Slain*
The thing is, why are you even playing Dishonored if you're gonna kill everyone, that's what Doom is for XD
very frustrating to follow Pat's wrestling and griping about this game on Twitter and have him finally discuss it on the podcast after having gone in first-hand, only for him to say that thing about 50%, which causes Woolie to title the segment something completely inaccurate to the actual mechanics of Dishonored.
(20% of people killed = High Chaos, it's just that once you pass 50%, a couple extra things happen in that High Chaos that wouldn't have happened at 49% or lower.)
no quick loads? I did that on my first playthrough on account of not being able to do it efficiently.
If paige reload pat's game and killed a good amount of people off stream would pat have a hearth attack and die?
Same problem with the metro series. In the classic 2033, it was even worse since you can’t sedate people and legit 100% no harm the guards.
I just wanna run and Gun but that’s a no no.
you can totally run & gun metro because its morality system is way more obtuse
Yeah dude, don't worry about that, once you figure out what the "good" actions are, it's actually super hard to *not* get the good ending even if you try to kill everyone
Where's the article? All I'm finding is stuff about "Dad played video game while child died of hunger" and "Parents upset young child in single digit age plays game instead of getting a job" and the like.
Story wise it makes sense. But it just made me save scum it.
Now I’m wondering, has anyone beat Dishonored on a no kill ghost play through without using ANY magic?
I've done a Clean Hands + Ghost + Mostly Flesh & Steel three-in-one run but I don't know if it's possible to complete the game without using Blink at all.
20:06 Hold up, do vitamins help with OCD or something?
I wish Pat understood what Woolie was talking about faster. I don’t know if it was a communications mishap or just Woolie / Pat not understanding the other, but I really wanna know how bad the symptoms get whenever Pat has a panic attack. I worry about this fat, lovable man.
There has always been a weird quirk of Pat's logic to me where his interpretation of something being wrong becomes the thing lied to me and he blames it for being bad instead of just going "oh I was mistaken"
Pat's? This exact occurence was basically Woolie's attitude for the entirety of 13 Sentinels.
@@CrypticSquid1 Entirely fair point
I can't fucking wait for more Goblin Slaying
That article from the guy pissed at his son's way of playing is so sad. That guy sucks. My mum encouraged me playing games and if I struggled she'd help out, even if what I was doing wasn't necessarily a part of the game story. Games are big sandboxes, get over difficulty pompousness.
Pat, the game never made it black and white in any tool tip
Yeah I was about to say. P sure it's just like "if you kill more ppl u get more rats and plague gets worse and darker outcome". Not that you SHOULDNT kill ppl
To be fair, that guy fell pretty far pat.
Mind Goblin?
Mind goblin these nuts HA
Pat why