Have you looked into my dads band HAWKWIND i am into doing some thing with you and a mass of your stuff we will go to Rockfield studio i will call in some favours facebook me and via message i will send my phone number and deleat this
Obvious to the ZOIA community but maybe not to everyone watching: since this video was made, Empress just released a new firmware that allows you to copy entire pages of patches into other patches. So Hainbach’s ask at the end of the video has already happened!
I’m *Obsessed* with the ZOIA. It’s the heart of my touring fly rig, and I even bought a second one so patches I build on the road can become fleshed out further in my “big rig” back in the studio (where it lives on a much larger pedalboard). And I’m delighted to see you’re as obsessed with the granular module as I am... it does so much! Also fascinating to hear your workflow from the modular world (e.g. pinging filters, etc.). Stoked to check out your patches on Patchstorage!
I really do enjoy your approach to sound. The transmutation that takes place is amazing. Everything we send into the Cosmos is there in perpetuity, interesting thought in itself. When a hundred years have gone by, people will look at the value, and contribution people have made in sound generation, and might wonder ...what were they thinking? Thank you HAINBACH for your wonderful palettes of sound, and your contribution to intelligent soundscapes in our life time : ) May the Peace of the Cosmos find you my friend ! Expanding Knowledge.
Nice to see what you’re doing with this unit. I made an extensive beginners guide to ZOIA for Empress a while back but haven’t used it much since. I’d like to dedicate more time to it but two kids (one just born last week!) is my priority at present :)
I think its the vast variety of different uses, and the nearly infinite customization possibilities that attract me the most. I think this, used as a guitar pedal, opens new worlds of possibilities. Well, at least with a lot more ease. Thanks for reviewing Hainbach, way cool.
Oh, but it is SO entertaining to watch you doing this. You are so innately familiar with modular synthesis, you are definitely the guy to get the most out of this unit.
SyncdAlien idk but hopefully I can get one soon and find out lmao I know the organelle using pure data and for its since your need a decent size CPU so I’m using some powerful microcontroller is used
To what extent is this capable of doing parallel tracks, such as feeding external audio through a series of filters to split it into different frequency bands, then applying effects on each band separately to be recombined for the output-- and in stereo?
Nice review! I appreciate you mentioning downsides in a sponsored video too. Sometimes people are a bit too cautious trying not to step on the sponsors toes. The difference between audio signals and modulation signals makes sense, but if I wouldn't have known I would have been a little bummed if I had bought it and knowing the limitations beforehand doesn't make me much less likely to buy it, it'll just make me less salty when I do get it and get to know it :P Have you tested the power consumption by any chance or tried it with a Power brick? I'm curious if this will make a good portable music device. I bet a 10.000 mAh power bank will last me a few hours at least? Or do you know if it can run on a USB 2.0 or 3.0 ports power? (500 mA and 1000 mA respectively).
Saw this on the That Pedal Show channel, glad you gave it an extended look. Looks a bit menu divey for me but keen to try one out. (Edit) But not AU$750 keen, think I’ll stick with the iPad app processing options (Audulus, AUM, MiRack, etc).
I dismissed the Zoia at first too. It just seemed like another multi-pedal, albeit one with a LOT of buttons. But after seeing a few videos from the usual UA-cam suspects building remarkably complex and interesting things with it I decided to try it out and I was blown away. With about a minute of poking around I could turn a simple single square wave input into the nastiest enormous sounding bass with all kinds of modulation and interesting little quirks. I meant to poke around for twenty minutes or so just to make sure everything was working and ended up losing a couple hours to noodling around with it. It has been an extremely pleasant surprise.
your comment is making me sway towards getting one. I can get rid of my other pedals that I've been using with my synths. And, the fact that it can also work as a synth. crazy
Are these sounds available for use on your patreon? I dont use it yet but I want to start bc there is a few channels that I need to support but I have not been able to yet.
@@Hainbach thank you very much. This response is as treasured as the one I got from That Pedal Show lmao. I asked the question in the wrong way however. I really appreciated the sounds you actually made with the patches and I was wondering if any of that stuff is available to be sampled? I know you have the tape loops and I am definitely interested but how do you feel about .wav files?
HAINBACH looking forward to it! What panel did you go for? The 73-75 homebuilt panel seems pretty good. It is a pity that there are no diy touch panel kits left for serge. That would of been lots of fun!
I have to admit I was more ambivalent than excited about it at first as well. At some point I get the feeling we are being sold one Linux-based computer after another, just with different packaging, audio software, and interfaces, if that makes sense. I would like to believe I'm wrong about that.
Lassa Complex, you are right, certainly the software is of primary importance. But without very clever hardware packaging and interface feel, we wouldn't buy it - instead opting for roughly the same thing existing as purely software for computer or tablet, right? In the case of Arduino based synths or pedals, I sometimes question if we are being sold another Arduino, or just the custom software package, or the surrounding hardware? If the software were the only selling point then there needs to be a generic pedal with 6 knobs and stereo in/outs and an easy way to swap the firmware, so that we don't have to wastefully buy essentially the same little computer over and over again. What I appreciate about ZOIA is that it is really beautiful to look at, and seems to be a quality build. It rises far above a generic enclosure with four knobs, one LED, and yet another Arduino or Raspberry Pi inside.
SyncdAlien a very fair point. Interface design is incredibly important. It is why the likes of the synthi AKS or a Buchla 200e is so highly sought. Much more than the sound!
Thank you for this. I have a couple of looper-related questions: - does the looper load sounds from the SD card as a part of the preset? - how much CPU does one looper instance consume? I assume it is possible to assign start, length and pitch parameters of the looper module to Midi CC messages.
At the moment it does not use audio from the SD card, but this has been requested by the users forum on numerous occasions, so unless there are development reasons it can't be done I would expect it will be implemented at some point. Empress are very good at listening to what people want. Each audio looper uses about 3% of CPU power. There is also a CV looper as well. Finally yes pretty much any variable can be controlled by midi.
Thank you for the responses. I hope this does get implemented. Since the pedal does not really access the SD for anything other than loading preset banks (right?), It shouldn't be difficult to load or stream audio files. I don't even need to load long samples for my purposes. The possibility to use at least 8 Loopers would be great and 16 would be ideal. My instrument at the moment is 16 buffers living on an Organelle played via a QuNeo controller, and I am contemplating on the idea of replacing the Organelle with a Zoia. And Hainbach's request for saving blocks of patches for later use in other presets would be fantastic too.
I would love one of these....I just can’t swing that on a pedal at the moment.... Maybe Santa will being it for me! Thanks for your video and time Hain!
I'm looking forward to your impression of the Euroburo version of the Zoia when it arrives. Hopefully it has grown physically from the already amazing Zoia. I hear that the CPU constraints won't be as much of a concern which is promising.
I am so glad I found you. Better late then never. Your brilliant. I want to incorporate this stuff into my music but it seems so so so confusing. How does one go about learning this type of music
Is feeding things with audio rate really that musical, though? I've always felt like that was more of a technical/mathematical critique than a musical one.
Cool stuff! Since this thing is stereo and if I understood correctly left and right channels can be routed differently, could one program everything in mono, and then use some effects/modules lets say before an external pedal, and some after the pedal, independently and at the same time? E.g guitar > zoia in left > zoia delay > left out > external pedal > zoia in right > zoia reverb > right out to amp. Would that work?
Looking to get me a gift for my coming up birthday, Can anyone shed some light on why I should pick the Zoia vs the Digitakt? I'g going back and forth, I know they are different machines, but I'm liking the sounds with this.
Now that there is a Eurorack version this caught my attention. Would you say that the audio effects are „good“ or superb? I don‘t know the company and there are so many reverb algorhythms and so on.
@@Hainbach Thanks! Good to know. I'm really struggling with effects in Eurorack. I got a cheap clouds because ... clouds ... and then got an ES-8 to use 10 euro ipad effects by Audio Damage and so on which are a lot cheaper than on windows. But seeing stuff like Make Noise Erbe Verb or the Strymon Magneto ... so juicy, but 500-600 Euros instead of 5-15 just for CV control ... hm. Maybe this module is an option.
Plug in your guitar (or anything else) and dive down a bottomless rabbit hole. Combine it with other effects devices and the rabbit hole becomes a wormhole into other (sonic) dimensions.
So you were not empressed at first sight, and they said "hey, we zoia checking out our gear, come back" ? .... Sorry. I'm really itching for puns on a Monday morning.
ive been hating on this device ever since it came out. seemed like a weird (in a bad way) multiFX pedal trying to be a synth or a kaosspad or something. everyone hailed it as the best pedal ever but it never stood out to me in a good way. realizing it's not just a regular fx processor and is more akin to something like the bastl thyme, it seems like a very neat thing to have around.
It's a composition tool more than a multi-fx - much of the patches are made specifically for one idea I had in mind. It's like playing into a feedback system, something to bounce ideas into and get much more in return.
It kinda is the best pedal ever though haha.... when you can build any ideas from your mind to the zoia synth wise, pedal wise, combine them wise, midi stuff and more all in one box by building things and patching things together, things normal pedals and synths can't do... I say that is the best lol.
Get my patches here: patchstorage.com/author/hainbach/
Have you looked into my dads band HAWKWIND i am into doing some thing with you and a mass of your stuff we will go to Rockfield studio i will call in some favours facebook me and via message i will send my phone number and deleat this
yes blood. thank you for sharing the patches. anything comparable to anything Nord Modular gets my attention.
Obvious to the ZOIA community but maybe not to everyone watching: since this video was made, Empress just released a new firmware that allows you to copy entire pages of patches into other patches. So Hainbach’s ask at the end of the video has already happened!
As a guitarist this is like one of the most revolutionary guitar pedals i've seen, think i'm ordering one tomorrow, just blows my mind
I’m *Obsessed* with the ZOIA. It’s the heart of my touring fly rig, and I even bought a second one so patches I build on the road can become fleshed out further in my “big rig” back in the studio (where it lives on a much larger pedalboard). And I’m delighted to see you’re as obsessed with the granular module as I am... it does so much! Also fascinating to hear your workflow from the modular world (e.g. pinging filters, etc.). Stoked to check out your patches on Patchstorage!
I really do enjoy your approach to sound. The transmutation that takes place is amazing. Everything we send into the Cosmos is there in perpetuity, interesting thought in itself. When a hundred years have gone by, people will look at the value, and contribution people have made in sound generation, and might wonder ...what were they thinking? Thank you HAINBACH for your wonderful palettes of sound, and your contribution to intelligent soundscapes in our life time : ) May the Peace of the Cosmos find you my friend ! Expanding Knowledge.
Nice to see what you’re doing with this unit. I made an extensive beginners guide to ZOIA for Empress a while back but haven’t used it much since. I’d like to dedicate more time to it but two kids (one just born last week!) is my priority at present :)
Oh congrats!
HAINBACH Thankyou Sir
I think its the vast variety of different uses, and the nearly infinite customization possibilities that attract me the most. I think this, used as a guitar pedal, opens new worlds of possibilities. Well, at least with a lot more ease. Thanks for reviewing Hainbach, way cool.
That snippet of your friend's composition was beautiful.
Oh, but it is SO entertaining to watch you doing this. You are so innately familiar with modular synthesis, you are definitely the guy to get the most out of this unit.
Ordered one of these for an early Christmas present to myself. Can’t wait for it to get here.
Thanks again Hainbach, for another great segment...you have the Midas touch, really nice stuff....
Excellent, and thoroughly comprehensive review Stefan!
How big and complex module can you have before it gets 100% cpu load?
Great vid as ever! Getting some crazy sounds from it. Cheers!
finally got my self a ZOIA , something to learn for the next weekends...
Zoia with the OP-1, what a compact force of nature! Thank you for showing off what it can do with traditional euro rack modules :)
I agree, I feel that I could sell all the other pedals that I own and just use one.
We live in a golden age of music gear. Someday people will look on this time period with envy.
This just screams made from a raspberry pi and pure data wonderful unit
Has anyone opened up a ZOIA to see what's really inside?
SyncdAlien idk but hopefully I can get one soon and find out lmao I know the organelle using pure data and for its since your need a decent size CPU so I’m using some powerful microcontroller is used
Very interesting, I would love to see a tear down video of the ZOIA to see what's inside. 😂
Laghima bela (the beagle bone audio shield...sorta) seems like it would be a great candidate
Marcel Desmith I didn’t think about the arduino it could definitely be done for cheap with the AVR libraries and some RGB soft pads
This looks like a very awesome pedal! Will check it out. Thanks for the video!
I was curious, in the set in the rockies, were you using a mixer or just going straight into the recorder? thank you
Straight recorder if I remember correctly
Love the "up a mountain" gig.... the audience might be a bit small... but the venue is beautiful.
We had a Kolibri come by, wish the camera had more resolution so it could have guest starred.
Are you high. That's extremely disruptive to local fauna.
13.10 very nice sound. Great demo man, thanks!
Cool you got zoia it's fun!!! Would be very nice if you made tutorials on ideas how to use it !
I love me Zoia! XD I like your patches ..they sound great! Congrats! Nice work AGAIN!!
BRAINBACH should do a follow up on the ZOIA ‘A Year Later’ or something
To what extent is this capable of doing parallel tracks, such as feeding external audio through a series of filters to split it into different frequency bands, then applying effects on each band separately to be recombined for the output-- and in stereo?
Yep, can do.
Nice review! I appreciate you mentioning downsides in a sponsored video too. Sometimes people are a bit too cautious trying not to step on the sponsors toes. The difference between audio signals and modulation signals makes sense, but if I wouldn't have known I would have been a little bummed if I had bought it and knowing the limitations beforehand doesn't make me much less likely to buy it, it'll just make me less salty when I do get it and get to know it :P
Have you tested the power consumption by any chance or tried it with a Power brick? I'm curious if this will make a good portable music device. I bet a 10.000 mAh power bank will last me a few hours at least? Or do you know if it can run on a USB 2.0 or 3.0 ports power? (500 mA and 1000 mA respectively).
This is the best video I've seen on the Zoia - thank you :). Can I ask, is the CPU a constant limit or can you mostly program what you want ?
Saw this on the That Pedal Show channel, glad you gave it an extended look. Looks a bit menu divey for me but keen to try one out. (Edit) But not AU$750 keen, think I’ll stick with the iPad app processing options (Audulus, AUM, MiRack, etc).
If you try it out, try to think of an idea you could never realize before. That is ZOIA's strength in my opinion.
HAINBACH What is the name of the other piece you are using with the the Zoia
Now I want a Dual Sequenced Pitch Shifting Looper :o
Uploading the patch tomorrow to the database!
I dismissed the Zoia at first too. It just seemed like another multi-pedal, albeit one with a LOT of buttons. But after seeing a few videos from the usual UA-cam suspects building remarkably complex and interesting things with it I decided to try it out and I was blown away. With about a minute of poking around I could turn a simple single square wave input into the nastiest enormous sounding bass with all kinds of modulation and interesting little quirks. I meant to poke around for twenty minutes or so just to make sure everything was working and ended up losing a couple hours to noodling around with it.
It has been an extremely pleasant surprise.
your comment is making me sway towards getting one. I can get rid of my other pedals that I've been using with my synths. And, the fact that it can also work as a synth. crazy
You can ping the zoia filters by using a control voltage and bringing the audio oscillator frequency down below 10hz
Seeing Jogging House's face was like unmasking Batman
Are these sounds available for use on your patreon? I dont use it yet but I want to start bc there is a few channels that I need to support but I have not been able to yet.
The presets are free to use on patchstorage. Lots of other nice stuff on Patreon, though.
@@Hainbach thank you very much. This response is as treasured as the one I got from That Pedal Show lmao. I asked the question in the wrong way however. I really appreciated the sounds you actually made with the patches and I was wondering if any of that stuff is available to be sampled? I know you have the tape loops and I am definitely interested but how do you feel about .wav files?
It appears to be simple but versatile. Seems like a polyend and they possibly go hand in hand🎼🎧
lovely work!
Nice unit.Thx for the post.
how often do y'all ZOIA users run into CPU limitations?
super intense I dined know that you are a quite a modular wizard ; guter wochen start
Dankeschön! Ja modular is a big part of my background, but long before talking on UA-cam.
Great to see you and jogging house collab :) ps when did you get new euro!?
All over the year - time to make a video on it! Though I am also just now getting into Serge....
HAINBACH looking forward to it! What panel did you go for? The 73-75 homebuilt panel seems pretty good. It is a pity that there are no diy touch panel kits left for serge. That would of been lots of fun!
I borrowed two random source panels - I might have to sell a lot of euro to afford them though. Already have a tkb
HAINBACH wow! I look forward to your music on this system! Especially with Ciat Lombarde co wiggling ! 👌😊
Zoia is actually pretty exciting isn't it?
Yeah! Stupid of me to be dismissive about it. Goes to show how much it goes against the grain of expectations.
I have to admit I was more ambivalent than excited about it at first as well. At some point I get the feeling we are being sold one Linux-based computer after another, just with different packaging, audio software, and interfaces, if that makes sense. I would like to believe I'm wrong about that.
SyncdAlien probably not far too off. But it’s the software that counts in these sorts of products!
Lassa Complex, you are right, certainly the software is of primary importance. But without very clever hardware packaging and interface feel, we wouldn't buy it - instead opting for roughly the same thing existing as purely software for computer or tablet, right? In the case of Arduino based synths or pedals, I sometimes question if we are being sold another Arduino, or just the custom software package, or the surrounding hardware? If the software were the only selling point then there needs to be a generic pedal with 6 knobs and stereo in/outs and an easy way to swap the firmware, so that we don't have to wastefully buy essentially the same little computer over and over again.
What I appreciate about ZOIA is that it is really beautiful to look at, and seems to be a quality build. It rises far above a generic enclosure with four knobs, one LED, and yet another Arduino or Raspberry Pi inside.
SyncdAlien a very fair point. Interface design is incredibly important. It is why the likes of the synthi AKS or a Buchla 200e is so highly sought. Much more than the sound!
ZOIA IS LIFE!
grainbach
Thank you for this. I have a couple of looper-related questions:
- does the looper load sounds from the SD card as a part of the preset?
- how much CPU does one looper instance consume?
I assume it is possible to assign start, length and pitch parameters of the looper module to Midi CC messages.
Korhan Erel Right.
RAM vs Card and such things are interesting questions.
At the moment it does not use audio from the SD card, but this has been requested by the users forum on numerous occasions, so unless there are development reasons it can't be done I would expect it will be implemented at some point. Empress are very good at listening to what people want.
Each audio looper uses about 3% of CPU power. There is also a CV looper as well. Finally yes pretty much any variable can be controlled by midi.
Thank you for the responses. I hope this does get implemented. Since the pedal does not really access the SD for anything other than loading preset banks (right?), It shouldn't be difficult to load or stream audio files. I don't even need to load long samples for my purposes. The possibility to use at least 8 Loopers would be great and 16 would be ideal. My instrument at the moment is 16 buffers living on an Organelle played via a QuNeo controller, and I am contemplating on the idea of replacing the Organelle with a Zoia. And Hainbach's request for saving blocks of patches for later use in other presets would be fantastic too.
what is the wooden insturment?
I would love one of these....I just can’t swing that on a pedal at the moment....
Maybe Santa will being it for me!
Thanks for your video and time Hain!
What patch is that at 2:30? Just got mine today and wanna mess with that one!
GRAINBACH. Yeahhhh !,!
👋
So it can be battery powered?
Or did you use something to power it?
Myvolts + USB Battery
@@Hainbach Awesome possum, thank you!
As always, so so lovely.
I'm looking forward to your impression of the Euroburo version of the Zoia when it arrives. Hopefully it has grown physically from the already amazing Zoia. I hear that the CPU constraints won't be as much of a concern which is promising.
Queen Zoia tours the world, channel by channel... ; - )
I am so glad I found you. Better late then never. Your brilliant. I want to incorporate this stuff into my music but it seems so so so confusing. How does one go about learning this type of music
Is feeding things with audio rate really that musical, though? I've always felt like that was more of a technical/mathematical critique than a musical one.
Try it with resonant filters and loopers, much beauty to be unlocked
Cool stuff! Since this thing is stereo and if I understood correctly left and right channels can be routed differently, could one program everything in mono, and then use some effects/modules lets say before an external pedal, and some after the pedal, independently and at the same time? E.g guitar > zoia in left > zoia delay > left out > external pedal > zoia in right > zoia reverb > right out to amp. Would that work?
Interesting idea! Would love to know that too. I would think that's no problem.
Sure, No Problem! Treat it as dual mono.
dope!
Looking to get me a gift for my coming up birthday, Can anyone shed some light on why I should pick the Zoia vs the Digitakt? I'g going back and forth, I know they are different machines, but I'm liking the sounds with this.
What type of music do you make? What do you want the device to accomplish?
Now that there is a Eurorack version this caught my attention. Would you say that the audio effects are „good“ or superb? I don‘t know the company and there are so many reverb algorhythms and so on.
Reverb and Delay are superb!
@@Hainbach Thanks! Good to know. I'm really struggling with effects in Eurorack. I got a cheap clouds because ... clouds ... and then got an ES-8 to use 10 euro ipad effects by Audio Damage and so on which are a lot cheaper than on windows. But seeing stuff like Make Noise Erbe Verb or the Strymon Magneto ... so juicy, but 500-600 Euros instead of 5-15 just for CV control ... hm. Maybe this module is an option.
Plug in your guitar (or anything else) and dive down a bottomless rabbit hole. Combine it with other effects devices and the rabbit hole becomes a wormhole into other (sonic) dimensions.
Does anybody know which font Hainbach uses in his videos?
Kinda looks like Century Gothic to me.
GRAINBACH LITE 2.0
Is it ok, to start with it, like first modular synth?
Vcv rack is probably a better start to learn.
the colour got to be white, its a ghost after all 😊👌❤
Good! Bro as always very good!
I heard the other person speak of MAXING out CPU? Is that an issue?
Well, if you use a chunky reverb, two loopers, granular module, feedback patching and modulation it gets busy fast and will glitch.
and BRAINBACH would be nice too
It sounds awesome with your modular... I'd like Zoia as a Eurorack module with a whole load of CV inputs
Oh yes, that would awesome!
Kind of what I imagined with the thumbnail and the Serge 😄
So you were not empressed at first sight, and they said "hey, we zoia checking out our gear, come back" ?
....
Sorry.
I'm really itching for puns on a Monday morning.
Ha, I am Dad, so puns are appreciated.
Dude... *tips hat*
That's cool and all, but can it play minecraft?
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this looks way to unintuitive to me
danse manabach
ive been hating on this device ever since it came out. seemed like a weird (in a bad way) multiFX pedal trying to be a synth or a kaosspad or something. everyone hailed it as the best pedal ever but it never stood out to me in a good way. realizing it's not just a regular fx processor and is more akin to something like the bastl thyme, it seems like a very neat thing to have around.
It's a composition tool more than a multi-fx - much of the patches are made specifically for one idea I had in mind. It's like playing into a feedback system, something to bounce ideas into and get much more in return.
@@Hainbach very cool. i was completely deceived by its (almost) knobless stompbox look.
It kinda is the best pedal ever though haha.... when you can build any ideas from your mind to the zoia synth wise, pedal wise, combine them wise, midi stuff and more all in one box by building things and patching things together, things normal pedals and synths can't do... I say that is the best lol.
this has to be the mose unintuitive piece of gear ever.
averagepainter while I mostly agree, have you tried playing a saxophone? ☺️
I don’t own one, but I would think considering all it can do, they made it as intuitive as it could possibly be….