Hi! I really appreciate your effort. A few of the directions you are taking from the viewers comments are not correct so I’d like to personally help you. Let me know if that interests you. 👊
Thanks Jim for checking out the video. Now you have my brain turning trying to guess which user comments were off lol. Definitely interested in your offer. What did you have in mind?
I've started to use Jim's swing and I dropped my Handicap by 3 strokes in about a month. I've got more work to do but so far, its made me better and I like the game more.
You're doing the same as me. In the overhead cam you're still turning your shoulders. Jim doesn't he only swings the arm. This is how he stays so still. I still haven't mastered the stillness because turning is ingrained in my brain. The setup already has us closed so no need to turn the shoulders at all! Crazy.
@@GolfQuestChannel Yes, it seems counter-intuitive to NOT rotate your shoulders, which you are doing, so that takes a little time getting use to. I've been through Jim's program and have adapted nicely to the swing change. How I got comfortable with the concept was tons of practice swings with no ball present. It gave me an entirely different feeling at the point where contact would be, again, no ball. I just wanted to engrain the motion (or, stillness, actually) without the stress of a ball. When I actually tested the concept with balls, wow.
Love the golf studio, very cool to see multiple angles like that. Rather than critique your execution of the method, I would echo the sentiment that signing up for his school is well worth it. Jim has a step by step process and along with his video feedback, given your current skill I'd wager you'd adapt pretty quickly and be hitting powerful, tight draws in a short time.
@@GolfQuestChannel not sure if he still does this, but back when I signed up he had 7 day free trial. One major difference in what you are doing and how his school works is that he would not start you out doing full swings. Given that his system is form follows function, with the set up really controlling the swing itself, it's pretty critical to get in a proper set up position first and foremost. Pretty sure he has a video on swing path drill on youtube, this is pretty fundamental, also.
I am 71 and have a limitation in my body through a bung in my groin due a bad hernia operation. I play off 25 down from 35 and am a happy golfer as I only play recreational golf. After lessons I still had problems returning to the same place when swinging, causing mis hits etc. After looking at stack and tilt keeping my weight on the front leg made a difference however in stack and tilt I could not tilt without causing bodily pain after playing. I then tried Mo Normans swing but the training got too complicated but it did help and then I discovered Jim Venetos swing and that works for me. I can use his swing with every club Driver, 5 wood, 4 hybrid and 5 iron. Using Jims swing my irons PW-6 always have a high trajectory (apart form the 5 iron) with a 10 yards gap between them. This is great for me from about 140 yards out and I always make the green and the shot does not run out more than a couple of yards. I am not a big hitter but yesterday I made 18 over par! For my driver I use the easy swing as it tends to produce a straighter shot I have tried Jims swing and for the Driver it is less consistent than the easy swing with no gain in distance. So this is what works for me and have found that I have adjusted the swing to suit my individual bodily requirements - All in all Jims Swing is the best and I am happy with better consistent golf play than I've ever had over my 4 years of development. My advice is not to over think this swing as it is all about pre setting the body and when you get that right the swing is automatic and easy - I very rarely get a draw but always get a straight ball flight landing on the fairway or green. OMG this has turned into a book
hi, I've also started trying Jim's swing and what I do in the actual set up is I take my normal stance. As a right-handed player, I do what Jim calls a pivot and then move my right leg back into the punch. By doing that I have a good aim set on the target, try it next time
I been playing this for a year and a half. I THOUGHT I was doing this swing right and just happened to finally signed up this past May and WOW I couldn’t have been more wrong. I highly recommend to sign up at least for a few months and get feedback from Jim. I’m starting to finally get there but in it for the long run.
Are you able to share an example of something you thought you were doing right but then learned otherwise? Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video.
@@GolfQuestChannel I think your swing looks pretty close to what Jim does but I’m sure he could point some things out. So one thing I’ve been struggling with is my trail hand not being strong enough under the grip and also not enough weight on my lead side (even though it feels like I do). If you watch Jim swing you can see the power as he hits the momentum pulls trail foot off the ground and not forced, hoping to get there soon.
Hi tried Jim's method today for 18 holes it worked really well I hit the odd bad shot but i think you have to be careful not to whip the club too inside on the takeaway
Interesting. I feel like whenever I see Jim teach or give feedback videos (some people from his academy post these online) it never seems like they can take the club too far back inside. It seems like he wants people taking it along their body line which is severely closed (and therefore very inside) but maybe I'm not accurate.
I have better luck taking the club back way inside AND making sure not to cup my wrist (I even consciously try to bow the lead wrist, closing the face even more). But for me, the most important thing is staying still and closed at impact.
This is fun to watch, the other thing I noticed is watch Jim's front leg. How it doesn't bend then launch on impact. I feel like I do this and saw it a bit in your first video. Jim looks like he sets his front leg and pivots off preventing fat or thin shots. bending down and then extending up isnt staying still.
@GolfQuestChannel I do. I play lefty as well and found his method moves my shot from right, to center left. The hard part is keeping the front leg as a pivot. Watch his videos and see if you concur on his front leg being pretty still with no knee bend and extension
@@GolfQuestChannel ua-cam.com/video/YCmM2QK75vo/v-deo.htmlsi=6nG_hYx9E43AeND8 That is what made me think it's truly setting a high point and attempting to return to it. This avoiding fat or thin.
Good video to review for sure. I do think he has some knee bend in that lead leg though. However, it is very still as you mentioned and the knee bend appears minimal.
You are starting your downswing with your shoulder and this changes how the club finishes in the follow through. Watch Jim's swing carefully in slow motion if you can and you will see he actually starts his downswing with a small hip thrust forward. When I get the hip moving first, as he does, I find the swing is more accurate. I go back and forth from Jim to Moe Norman. Not sure which is better, get similar scores with both. 13-14 handicap, 69 years old. Started golfing at 60. Play 20-40 times a year. I like your golf teaching/learning set up. I don't understand why all UA-camr golf teachers don't have an overhead camera. They are so cheap now.
The JV swing is gold if the set up is executed properly. Im not in his school (yet) but Ive hit some amazing, effortless shots, using his system. It feels weird, but it works. That much I know.
If you want to hit the ball straight, then the JVGA swing is the one for you. As long as your legs and torso stay still while swinging the golf club. You will hit it straight every time. I personally don't use this swing all of the time, just most of the time. For instance with chipping and shorter pitches, l like to stand open, which is the opposite of JVGA,s closed. Another great teacher in the art of hitting the golf ball straight is Todd Graves, who uses the Moe Norman system of the single plane swing. I sometimes use this as well, with the right shoulder tilt back and down to avoid the "over the top" action.
Hi..after watching this great video i was reminded to go back to the venettos basics. Two weeks back i had to back to graphite shafted irons due to tennis elbow.. My irons got a bit wonky so i switched back to steel shafts. Irons still were a bit wonky so after watching this vid and reading the comments i focussed on really being set up like Jim says and focussed hard on really being STILL. .BINGO..perfect shots that had a tiny draw right back to the flag. The Venettos method gets my club right in the slot.
I went from a 36 hcp to 10 in 18 months. Did a 12 month jva course. (65 yo). I practiced heaps but had the yips for a while now and im 15 hcp . Jims system works butI was hitting 1000s of balls every week. I have no back pain either.
JVA swing does not require great athletic ability or strength. It is simple and just works. I am sure Jim will tell you not to start with a full swing, but to start with his swing path drill and master that drill until you get it right with repeatable results. Then and only then you can graduate to the full swing. I see that he has offered to help you. My advice is to accept that help and then report on the results. This is a superior method for many if not most golfers to shoot better scores with more consistency. I am 71 years old and shooting the best scores in my life using this method.
Thank you for the feedback. I did reply to Jim's offer but didn't hear back from him. He probably gets a ton of comments on UA-cam and perhaps missed my reply.
I was playing ball off the heel of led leg and crushing it my 8 iron is carrying 175 yards but have to put my back to target and sometimes I would pull it the ball is going a mile but off line but going to back the ball back but no it doesn't draw but let's see if backing ball back helps thanks so much
@@benhikingoutdoors1632 it’s probably not the best way to go but I’ve essentially made it a side project. I tinker with it then play with my regular swing. I definitely haven’t jumped into the deep end which obviously is going to slow things down but it’s the path I’ve gone down .
@@benhikingoutdoors1632 I’ve also whipped it out twice on course when I was having a bad day. The first time, it actually really helped my driver which is weird because when I’ve tried driver I’ve been lousy inside. The second time I tried it on a bad day it didn’t go so well.
I did it for a couple rounds. It worked well, then I forgot. I’m trying the Saguto golf nowadays. Pretty close where you set up on your lead legs and swing
@@52t99 ya I’ve watched Tom and like some of his stuff. However, he’s an advocate for the trail arm controlling the swing which goes against my natural tendency.
I have been trying the driver and hitting it straighter the normal. Would like to see you get to driver. Would really like to see you take this to a real course too.
I’ve had moderate success with short and mid irons, but struggled with long irons and woods, especially the driver. I’d like to you do this with a driver
Hey i play left handed and I am right handed when you set up use your right hand to aim the club at the target make sure you're ball is in the middle of your stance line up square turn your shoulders to the left slide your left foot back a slight bit keep 60percent of your weight on right side and swing easy look at your ball flight make adjustments as you go
I agree with the ball feeling like it’s to far forward especially with driver. I have a hard time trusting the swing path off the tee. I find the slower I swing the farther and straighter the ball goes.
Aim the club head against the target, that is a left of the pin (depending on you knowing how much you draw). The legs can aim straight to the target if you like, but your upper body shall be closed. To also close your legs in line with your upper body therefore makes it easier. Then you should swing along your bodyline and turn after you have hit the ball. That is; STAY STILL. 😁🥂 This is my understanding. Maybe I’m wrong. Ask Jim himself. He is a nice, helping golf coach. The best. 👍 Give him my regards from Finland.
I'm not sure but I wouldn't think the offset is the issue. If you are having trouble drawing the ball, you might want to take a look at your grip and ball position. Playing the ball back a little further should help you add draw along with making your grip a touch stronger.
I’m a lefty as well, but very left hand dominant. It just didn’t feel comfortable for me, but I can see how it would help for a right hand dominant player who hits as a lefty.
It's a good swing especially for your lower back. I've been working on it for years stillness is the secret. You're going to lose distance but understand in time it will come back.
Sounds like you have golf swing ADHD like me. However, if you’re shooting in the 70s with each of them, it sounds like you’ve been more successful than I 👍🏻
@GolfQuestChannel Golf is so very personalized and everyone has a different experience. I found venetos technique very helpful in discovering what is paramount in my swing approach, but I also found out that venetos technique was not for me since I could not repetitively and consistently deliver good shots utilizing his approach. It's a great instructional aid for me, but I have gone back to a different approach. Your setup and orientation of shoulder position keep changing slightly; which causes you to have mishits and poor face control. Relationship to the ball is the key; and your present attempts at trying to establish a predictable and effective relationship are all screwed up. But, this is not unusual and is part of the learning curve.
@GolfQuestChannel Golf is so very personalized and everyone has a different experience. I found venetos technique very helpful in discovering what is paramount in my swing approach, but I also found out that venetos technique was not for me since I could not repetitively and consistently deliver good shots utilizing his approach. It's a great instructional aid for me, but I have gone back to a different approach.
Thank you very much for being an ego-free Guinea pig. Maybe go back and watch the swings in this video as respects tension and ease. I am seeing you swinging hard. When I swing hard I am unsure of my swing. I get it though. It’s winter here and I plan to try this swing in the spring. I will spend a month at the local simulator and then go to the course. Thank you again.
All you're doing here is tricking yourself into using the club properly without actually knowing what it is that you’re doing. The real solution you seek is to truly understand how the golf club works and how to use it properly and it’s not what everyone thinks. The golf club is like no other tool we know, yet literally everyone assumes they fully understand it, so they try to use it, or make it work like they think it should rather than how it is actually designed to be used. We stand 90º to the target line for a specific reason. If we swung the club toward the target we’d face that way, but we don’t.
So a couple of things here: 1. Funny I was actually trying to find a video of your's that I watched a long time ago and could not for the life of me remember what your channel was called so I eventually gave up. When I saw your handle "Holy Grail" it clicked. So thanks for posting as it solved that mystery lol. 2. One thing I would say is incorrect in your post is the following line: "yet literally everyone assumes they fully understand it...." You haven't met me yet :) I actually assume I must be missing something all the time which explains my incessant searching through UA-cam videos. Thanks for dropping by the channel.
@@GolfQuestChannel The video you're talking about I most likely had to take down from youtube and put on my website. As it turns out youtube implemented an algorithm that tracks the last video/channel that people watch before leaving youtube and quite a few of my videos were inspiring people to get up immediately and go try what I'm talking about so youtube stopped promoting my channel. So, now I mostly just have teaser videos on youtube. As soon as YT implemented that algorithm my subs stopped growing and my views dropped through the floor. Every golfer like yourself is looking for something but they don't know what it is. They know they're missing something simply because the golf club works so well for some and so poorly for others. The people who've figured it out only know how to do it, and most are unaware of what it is they actually do, so when they tell people to this or that, "that's all I'm doing," it's not actually true, so it never works for the guy trying it. And literally everyone, even the world's most famous instructors, assumes that the almost magical tool we know as a golf club is merely a stick that we hit the ball with.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I'm all about trying new things, looking at new perspectives, and listening to those who have more knowledge than me (which are plenty btw lol). I do believe that different methods, swing thoughts, and instruction work differently for different people. However, once the suggestion is put out there that everyone (even the world's greatest instructors) approach golf teaching the wrong way I proceed with extreme caution as that is a very large claim to back up. The catch all solution to golf would truly be "The Holy Grail" which, last time I checked, didn't actually exist. Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not putting your channel down in any way (I haven't done enough digging to even get a sense yet). I will check it out further though.
@@GolfQuestChannel I'll ask you this, if there is no Holy Grail of Golf® then why is everyone looking for it? It does exist and it's incredibly simple. The reason I say not even the best instructors in the world ... is that not one of them has ever talked about the physics of how the golf club works and what direction you need to direct your force in order for it to work properly - None of them! They all seem to think there's some magic dance type move that I call the "snake charmer approach" that if you perform this "dance" the club will magically start working for you. The craziest thing of all is that when you understand the club, literally all the stuff that people advocate suddenly happens naturally and out of necessity rather than intention, so basically they have it all backward.
Take it from a guy who signed up for his academy …. You do not want to try and learn this swing at full speed from watching his free videos. In his school he will start you over with stance and grip and build from there. You need to go through that process to build the right habits to make it work.
I’m a JV guy. To your eye it seems massively closed, but to your chest and body isn’t closed too much looks good, but Jim would tell you to close your body even more.
I noticed you’re taking the club back like the traditional swing. Jim takes his club back with his thumbs pointing upwards so it’s toe up not the face Aiming at the ball like you’re doing I made the same mistake you’ve doing
it seems like you need to put more weight on your lead foot for the Venetos swing. I found it an incredibly accurate technique. At some point however, I couldn't help my desire to add more power with movement, and that was not too good for my knee. When done correctly its pretty amazing
Yeah is seems REALLY closed. What’s actually happening is you are striking a golf ball from the inside. This is why your draw is perfectly tight. Practicing Jim’s swing method made me think a lot about the golf swing. In that one of the basics is to strike the ball from the inside first and foremost.
@@lageronimo8012 it’s funny - last video someone commented I wasn’t nearly closed enough with my feet so I tried to make sure I closed them more this time.
forgot to say how good your videos are..well done
@@lifesaver3499 thank you 👍🏻. Appreciated.
Hi! I really appreciate your effort. A few of the directions you are taking from the viewers comments are not correct so I’d like to personally help you. Let me know if that interests you. 👊
Thanks Jim for checking out the video. Now you have my brain turning trying to guess which user comments were off lol. Definitely interested in your offer. What did you have in mind?
I've started to use Jim's swing and I dropped my Handicap by 3 strokes in about a month. I've got more work to do but so far, its made me better and I like the game more.
You're doing the same as me. In the overhead cam you're still turning your shoulders. Jim doesn't he only swings the arm. This is how he stays so still. I still haven't mastered the stillness because turning is ingrained in my brain. The setup already has us closed so no need to turn the shoulders at all! Crazy.
@@garethwilliams6474 indeed. Nice insight!
@@GolfQuestChannel Yes, it seems counter-intuitive to NOT rotate your shoulders, which you are doing, so that takes a little time getting use to. I've been through Jim's program and have adapted nicely to the swing change. How I got comfortable with the concept was tons of practice swings with no ball present. It gave me an entirely different feeling at the point where contact would be, again, no ball. I just wanted to engrain the motion (or, stillness, actually) without the stress of a ball. When I actually tested the concept with balls, wow.
@ thank you - nice feedback. Appreciated!
Love the golf studio, very cool to see multiple angles like that. Rather than critique your execution of the method, I would echo the sentiment that signing up for his school is well worth it. Jim has a step by step process and along with his video feedback, given your current skill I'd wager you'd adapt pretty quickly and be hitting powerful, tight draws in a short time.
@@Wanylen thanks for the input. I would do it if I wasn’t so cheap lol
@@GolfQuestChannel not sure if he still does this, but back when I signed up he had 7 day free trial. One major difference in what you are doing and how his school works is that he would not start you out doing full swings. Given that his system is form follows function, with the set up really controlling the swing itself, it's pretty critical to get in a proper set up position first and foremost. Pretty sure he has a video on swing path drill on youtube, this is pretty fundamental, also.
@@Wanylen Sounds good. I’ve heard that a lot since doing these videos - start with chipping and work up. I’m just too impatient lol.
I am 71 and have a limitation in my body through a bung in my groin due a bad hernia operation. I play off 25 down from 35 and am a happy golfer as I only play recreational golf. After lessons I still had problems returning to the same place when swinging, causing mis hits etc. After looking at stack and tilt keeping my weight on the front leg made a difference however in stack and tilt I could not tilt without causing bodily pain after playing. I then tried Mo Normans swing but the training got too complicated but it did help and then I discovered Jim Venetos swing and that works for me. I can use his swing with every club Driver, 5 wood, 4 hybrid and 5 iron. Using Jims swing my irons PW-6 always have a high trajectory (apart form the 5 iron) with a 10 yards gap between them. This is great for me from about 140 yards out and I always make the green and the shot does not run out more than a couple of yards. I am not a big hitter but yesterday I made 18 over par! For my driver I use the easy swing as it tends to produce a straighter shot I have tried Jims swing and for the Driver it is less consistent than the easy swing with no gain in distance. So this is what works for me and have found that I have adjusted the swing to suit my individual bodily requirements - All in all Jims Swing is the best and I am happy with better consistent golf play than I've ever had over my 4 years of development. My advice is not to over think this swing as it is all about pre setting the body and when you get that right the swing is automatic and easy - I very rarely get a draw but always get a straight ball flight landing on the fairway or green. OMG this has turned into a book
@@NaturallyYouCoUk lol a book indeed - I love it. I enjoy hearing these success stories - thank you for sharing and congrats on your recent success!
Great video. You hit them pretty well considering the transition that was required to do that
@@mr.celebre6533 thank you
hi, I've also started trying Jim's swing and what I do in the actual set up is I take my normal stance. As a right-handed player, I do what Jim calls a pivot and then move my right leg back into the punch. By doing that I have a good aim set on the target, try it next time
@@Harnesk36 will do thank you
I been playing this for a year and a half. I THOUGHT I was doing this swing right and just happened to finally signed up this past May and WOW I couldn’t have been more wrong. I highly recommend to sign up at least for a few months and get feedback from Jim. I’m starting to finally get there but in it for the long run.
Are you able to share an example of something you thought you were doing right but then learned otherwise? Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video.
@@GolfQuestChannel I think your swing looks pretty close to what Jim does but I’m sure he could point some things out. So one thing I’ve been struggling with is my trail hand not being strong enough under the grip and also not enough weight on my lead side (even though it feels like I do). If you watch Jim swing you can see the power as he hits the momentum pulls trail foot off the ground and not forced, hoping to get there soon.
Dude the man said he could help, help,enough said.
Remember, The target line is about 11:00 position for this swing for the right lead arm swing.
Correction, for you, it's 11:00.
@@David-mu5rv so are you saying the face of the iron should point to 11 o’clock?
Hi tried Jim's method today for 18 holes it worked really well I hit the odd bad shot but i think you have to be careful not to whip the club too inside on the takeaway
Interesting. I feel like whenever I see Jim teach or give feedback videos (some people from his academy post these online) it never seems like they can take the club too far back inside. It seems like he wants people taking it along their body line which is severely closed (and therefore very inside) but maybe I'm not accurate.
I have better luck taking the club back way inside AND making sure not to cup my wrist (I even consciously try to bow the lead wrist, closing the face even more). But for me, the most important thing is staying still and closed at impact.
This is fun to watch, the other thing I noticed is watch Jim's front leg. How it doesn't bend then launch on impact. I feel like I do this and saw it a bit in your first video. Jim looks like he sets his front leg and pivots off preventing fat or thin shots. bending down and then extending up isnt staying still.
@@mdub1419 interesting. So you think he keeps it pretty straight the entire time?
@GolfQuestChannel I do. I play lefty as well and found his method moves my shot from right, to center left. The hard part is keeping the front leg as a pivot. Watch his videos and see if you concur on his front leg being pretty still with no knee bend and extension
@ I definitely will now 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel ua-cam.com/video/YCmM2QK75vo/v-deo.htmlsi=6nG_hYx9E43AeND8
That is what made me think it's truly setting a high point and attempting to return to it. This avoiding fat or thin.
Good video to review for sure. I do think he has some knee bend in that lead leg though. However, it is very still as you mentioned and the knee bend appears minimal.
You are starting your downswing with your shoulder and this changes how the club finishes in the follow through. Watch Jim's swing carefully in slow motion if you can and you will see he actually starts his downswing with a small hip thrust forward. When I get the hip moving first, as he does, I find the swing is more accurate. I go back and forth from Jim to Moe Norman. Not sure which is better, get similar scores with both. 13-14 handicap, 69 years old. Started golfing at 60. Play 20-40 times a year. I like your golf teaching/learning set up. I don't understand why all UA-camr golf teachers don't have an overhead camera. They are so cheap now.
@@garlandcampbell7994 thank you. My overhead is my iPhone in a ceiling bracket lol. Appreciate the feedback!
The JV swing is gold if the set up is executed properly. Im not in his school (yet) but Ive hit some amazing, effortless shots, using his system. It feels weird, but it works. That much I know.
@@danield888 well said. Are there any clubs with which you find it more challenging to execute?
If you want to hit the ball straight, then the JVGA swing is the one for you. As long as your legs and torso stay still while swinging the golf club. You will hit it straight every time. I personally don't use this swing all of the time, just most of the time. For instance with chipping and shorter pitches, l like to stand open, which is the opposite of JVGA,s closed. Another great teacher in the art of hitting the golf ball straight is Todd Graves, who uses the Moe Norman system of the single plane swing. I sometimes use this as well, with the right shoulder tilt back and down to avoid the "over the top" action.
Hi..after watching this great video i was reminded to go back to the venettos basics. Two weeks back i had to back to graphite shafted irons due to tennis elbow.. My irons got a bit wonky so i switched back to steel shafts. Irons still were a bit wonky so after watching this vid and reading the comments i focussed on really being set up like Jim says and focussed hard on really being STILL. .BINGO..perfect shots that had a tiny draw right back to the flag. The Venettos method gets my club right in the slot.
I went from a 36 hcp to 10 in 18 months. Did a 12 month jva course. (65 yo). I practiced heaps but had the yips for a while now and im 15 hcp . Jims system works butI was hitting 1000s of balls every week. I have no back pain either.
Club face was open in a lot of the shots going left. Align the face. Then pivot. Close shoulders. Use only arms and wrists. Body will follow.
I’ve found this swing works well with the 7 iron up but I have difficulty with the longer ones.
Ditto.. Suddenly I hit the 7i as long as the 6i and even 5i. Ball position I guess.
have you looked into Marcus Edblad's swing at all. Think it would be a good one to showcase
@@Harpri08 I have seen a couple videos but I certainly haven’t taken a deep dive as of yet.
A great video, you have a new subscriber🎉
@@GolfDuff Thank you! Much appreciated 👍🏻
JVA swing does not require great athletic ability or strength. It is simple and just works. I am sure Jim will tell you not to start with a full swing, but to start with his swing path drill and master that drill until you get it right with repeatable results. Then and only then you can graduate to the full swing. I see that he has offered to help you. My advice is to accept that help and then report on the results. This is a superior method for many if not most golfers to shoot better scores with more consistency. I am 71 years old and shooting the best scores in my life using this method.
Thank you for the feedback. I did reply to Jim's offer but didn't hear back from him. He probably gets a ton of comments on UA-cam and perhaps missed my reply.
Love the change in game ,but my bigs issues is aiming at the target
@@benjaminedington5737 is it learning the amount of draw that causing the aim issue?
I was playing ball off the heel of led leg and crushing it my 8 iron is carrying 175 yards but have to put my back to target and sometimes I would pull it the ball is going a mile but off line but going to back the ball back but no it doesn't draw but let's see if backing ball back helps thanks so much
You still doing the swing? I sorta wanna go down the rabbit hole of this swing. Wondering how its going
@@benhikingoutdoors1632 it’s probably not the best way to go but I’ve essentially made it a side project. I tinker with it then play with my regular swing. I definitely haven’t jumped into the deep end which obviously is going to slow things down but it’s the path I’ve gone down .
@@benhikingoutdoors1632 I’ve also whipped it out twice on course when I was having a bad day. The first time, it actually really helped my driver which is weird because when I’ve tried driver I’ve been lousy inside. The second time I tried it on a bad day it didn’t go so well.
I did it for a couple rounds. It worked well, then I forgot. I’m trying the Saguto golf nowadays. Pretty close where you set up on your lead legs and swing
@@52t99 ya I’ve watched Tom and like some of his stuff. However, he’s an advocate for the trail arm controlling the swing which goes against my natural tendency.
I have been trying the driver and hitting it straighter the normal. Would like to see you get to driver. Would really like to see you take this to a real course too.
I’ve had moderate success with short and mid irons, but struggled with long irons and woods, especially the driver. I’d like to you do this with a driver
@@toddjanower2008 I’m working my way up. I’ll get there 👍🏻
Hey i play left handed and I am right handed when you set up use your right hand to aim the club at the target make sure you're ball is in the middle of your stance line up square turn your shoulders to the left slide your left foot back a slight bit keep 60percent of your weight on right side and swing easy look at your ball flight make adjustments as you go
Thanks for the feedback. Appreciated.
JV's technique does feel weird, but I have found that when I slow down and execute properly I do hot some damn good shots
@@3rdGorilla do you use this swing all the time?
Doing swing for about year now lot more consistency great
@@RickyKey-q1p good to hear 👍🏻
I agree with the ball feeling like it’s to far forward especially with driver. I have a hard time trusting the swing path off the tee. I find the slower I swing the farther and straighter the ball goes.
Aim a little left of the target since you make a tight draw. That’s what Jim told me. 👍
Would you set up slightly left and then close your stance or feel like you’re aiming slightly left as you close your setup (if that makes sense)?
Aim the club head against the target, that is a left of the pin (depending on you knowing how much you draw). The legs can aim straight to the target if you like, but your upper body shall be closed. To also close your legs in line with your upper body therefore makes it easier. Then you should swing along your bodyline and turn after you have hit the ball. That is; STAY STILL. 😁🥂 This is my understanding. Maybe I’m wrong. Ask Jim himself. He is a nice, helping golf coach. The best. 👍 Give him my regards from Finland.
I'm having trouble drawing the ball I have offset irons perhaps that's the issue what is ur opinion
I'm not sure but I wouldn't think the offset is the issue. If you are having trouble drawing the ball, you might want to take a look at your grip and ball position. Playing the ball back a little further should help you add draw along with making your grip a touch stronger.
Thank you I'm playing today so I will back the ball back in the center will let you know
I’m a lefty as well, but very left hand dominant. It just didn’t feel comfortable for me, but I can see how it would help for a right hand dominant player who hits as a lefty.
Ya I can see how being trail hand dominant would be weird with this swing. Strangely that’s how Jim V is.
If you move the ball back toward your left foot you will almost be in the Channel Lock swing set up. Check it out.
@@kradwonders Another viewer mentioned Channel Lock too. I looked into it briefly but will have to check it out some more 👍🏻
It's a good swing especially for your lower back. I've been working on it for years stillness is the secret. You're going to lose distance but understand in time it will come back.
I've shot in the seventies with every swing on YT: JV, Kirk Junge, Duplisses, Edblad, etc. For the love of golf, no swing every stays around too long!
Sounds like you have golf swing ADHD like me. However, if you’re shooting in the 70s with each of them, it sounds like you’ve been more successful than I 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel I live on a golf course. Have enough monkeys typing, they'll write Harry Potter!
@GolfQuestChannel Golf is so very personalized and everyone has a different experience. I found venetos technique very helpful in discovering what is paramount in my swing approach, but I also found out that venetos technique was not for me since I could not repetitively and consistently deliver good shots utilizing his approach. It's a great instructional aid for me, but I have gone back to a different approach. Your setup and orientation of shoulder position keep changing slightly; which causes you to have mishits and poor face control. Relationship to the ball is the key; and your present attempts at trying to establish a predictable and effective relationship are all screwed up. But, this is not unusual and is part of the learning curve.
Makes sense. Definitely not consistent in my setup approach yet.
@GolfQuestChannel Golf is so very personalized and everyone has a different experience. I found venetos technique very helpful in discovering what is paramount in my swing approach, but I also found out that venetos technique was not for me since I could not repetitively and consistently deliver good shots utilizing his approach. It's a great instructional aid for me, but I have gone back to a different approach.
@ I hear you and agree. How would you describe your current swing?
Did you ever get in touch with Jim Venetos?
@@tomwild4811 no - I replied to his comment but didn’t hear again. I suppose he gets a lot of alerts from comments. Maybe I should email.
I have tried his technique, and on short irons it works fine, but I duck hook my driver. No good.
@@lorenzell3104 I hear you. I’m hearing from a lot of viewers who have signed up for his academy and they say it makes a huge difference.
Trail hip is key. Don't sway or turn it. Keep it in its position.
Thank you very much for being an ego-free Guinea pig. Maybe go back and watch the swings in this video as respects tension and ease. I am seeing you swinging hard. When I swing hard I am unsure of my swing. I get it though. It’s winter here and I plan to try this swing in the spring. I will spend a month at the local simulator and then go to the course. Thank you again.
Hey thanks for the support!
All you're doing here is tricking yourself into using the club properly without actually knowing what it is that you’re doing. The real solution you seek is to truly understand how the golf club works and how to use it properly and it’s not what everyone thinks. The golf club is like no other tool we know, yet literally everyone assumes they fully understand it, so they try to use it, or make it work like they think it should rather than how it is actually designed to be used. We stand 90º to the target line for a specific reason. If we swung the club toward the target we’d face that way, but we don’t.
So a couple of things here:
1. Funny I was actually trying to find a video of your's that I watched a long time ago and could not for the life of me remember what your channel was called so I eventually gave up. When I saw your handle "Holy Grail" it clicked. So thanks for posting as it solved that mystery lol.
2. One thing I would say is incorrect in your post is the following line: "yet literally everyone assumes they fully understand it...." You haven't met me yet :) I actually assume I must be missing something all the time which explains my incessant searching through UA-cam videos.
Thanks for dropping by the channel.
@@GolfQuestChannel The video you're talking about I most likely had to take down from youtube and put on my website. As it turns out youtube implemented an algorithm that tracks the last video/channel that people watch before leaving youtube and quite a few of my videos were inspiring people to get up immediately and go try what I'm talking about so youtube stopped promoting my channel. So, now I mostly just have teaser videos on youtube. As soon as YT implemented that algorithm my subs stopped growing and my views dropped through the floor.
Every golfer like yourself is looking for something but they don't know what it is. They know they're missing something simply because the golf club works so well for some and so poorly for others. The people who've figured it out only know how to do it, and most are unaware of what it is they actually do, so when they tell people to this or that, "that's all I'm doing," it's not actually true, so it never works for the guy trying it. And literally everyone, even the world's most famous instructors, assumes that the almost magical tool we know as a golf club is merely a stick that we hit the ball with.
@@HolyGrailOfGolf I'm all about trying new things, looking at new perspectives, and listening to those who have more knowledge than me (which are plenty btw lol). I do believe that different methods, swing thoughts, and instruction work differently for different people. However, once the suggestion is put out there that everyone (even the world's greatest instructors) approach golf teaching the wrong way I proceed with extreme caution as that is a very large claim to back up. The catch all solution to golf would truly be "The Holy Grail" which, last time I checked, didn't actually exist. Now, don't misunderstand me, I'm not putting your channel down in any way (I haven't done enough digging to even get a sense yet). I will check it out further though.
@@GolfQuestChannel I'll ask you this, if there is no Holy Grail of Golf® then why is everyone looking for it? It does exist and it's incredibly simple. The reason I say not even the best instructors in the world ... is that not one of them has ever talked about the physics of how the golf club works and what direction you need to direct your force in order for it to work properly - None of them! They all seem to think there's some magic dance type move that I call the "snake charmer approach" that if you perform this "dance" the club will magically start working for you. The craziest thing of all is that when you understand the club, literally all the stuff that people advocate suddenly happens naturally and out of necessity rather than intention, so basically they have it all backward.
@ Well, people look for Big Foot and the Lochness Monster too….
Take it from a guy who signed up for his academy …. You do not want to try and learn this swing at full speed from watching his free videos. In his school he will start you over with stance and grip and build from there. You need to go through that process to build the right habits to make it work.
@@Indycrr but I’m cheap lol
Absolutely true. The academy is better than the YT videos.
great video, need work on the back swing for sure
@@SammyRodriguez-n4s thank you. What do you see specifically in the backswing? 👍🏻
@@GolfQuestChannel literally everything
@@SammyRodriguez-n4s lol insightful.
Manuel Da la Tore
Honestly had never heard of Mauel De La Torre until I saw this post and looked into the name. Interesting.
Your second shot looked like you were trying to HIT HARD.
3rd one looked relaxed, 4th hard.
Now you’re going after it again.
But great video.
I’m a JV guy. To your eye it seems massively closed, but to your chest and body isn’t closed too much looks good, but Jim would tell you to close your body even more.
@@gatortoof wow I don’t know if I could close more. That’s intense!
I had 3 really good rounds with this swing and then the shanks came and I couldn't get rid of them
@@johndunbar7323 oh no. I wonder why.
I noticed you’re taking the club back like the traditional swing. Jim takes his club back with his thumbs pointing upwards so it’s toe up not the face Aiming at the ball like you’re doing I made the same mistake you’ve doing
@@jonzee4drone377 interesting. I’m not sure I understand exactly what you mean but I’ll be looking at video to see.
Watching your set up but are you putting 70/30 weight on your front leg?
@@bonscottrocks1728 I think so.
The shots that went to the left were where your club face was aimed at address. It was not aimed at the target.
I'll have to go back and take a look.
it seems like you need to put more weight on your lead foot for the Venetos swing. I found it an incredibly accurate technique. At some point however, I couldn't help my desire to add more power with movement, and that was not too good for my knee. When done correctly its pretty amazing
@@davidturoff8017 I hear you about instinctively wanting to add more power. It’s tough to shake.
Yeah is seems REALLY closed. What’s actually happening is you are striking a golf ball from the inside. This is why your draw is perfectly tight. Practicing Jim’s swing method made me think a lot about the golf swing. In that one of the basics is to strike the ball from the inside first and foremost.
You are swing really hard. Slow down👍🏽
Lol I’m really not trying to swing hard at all
Way TOO closed with feet.
@@lageronimo8012 it’s funny - last video someone commented I wasn’t nearly closed enough with my feet so I tried to make sure I closed them more this time.