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Telling a woman to stay in an abusive relationship and just “endure” it is basically like Telling a woman to stay in an abusive relationship and just “endure” it.
Nigga u said the same thing twice
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Bruh this comment right hyuh! I'm fkn dead boy😂😂
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boy you spitting
Pearl cosplaying as traditional wife, but never gets picked 😂
Lol sums it up
@@theman61384faking it until she makes it
Right? I noticed that too. She’s always wearing these floral matronly clothes to give off “femininity” heheheh
@Asantewaa Kissi She very critical of everyone else's physical appearance but doesn't seem to care about her own.
@@ClickyPen0101 and I hope she will be married by age 30.
Imagine calling women who left an abusive marriage a “pussy”.. in reality women who leave an abusive marriage are the strongest women out there. They went against everyone who told them to stay which is incredibly hard…
Finally someone who gets it! 👏 women know they have to change their lives ALL OVER, rebuild herself & if she has children; even if she wanted to try to "endure", her divine right to protect her offspring will not allow her to stay. Abuse breaks u! Sometimes leaving can get u unalived, so it takes REAL STRENGTH to do that! Lol it's "pussies" that leave after receiving wat they like dishing out (cheating). Much love for your comment 💙
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Do not expose your children to abusive men/women because then they will to "endure" abusive relationships and the cycle will continue.
Even before that, defending hitting women, which unless in self defense is the most pussy shit you can do, makes him pussy by default.
@@FreedomHart98 well that’s not blanket true. Some people see/suffer from abuse and are like I never want that for myself again
Avoiding accountability is what the Red Pill grift is all about.
honestly 😒
Literally 😂
For as much as they get on women for dodging accountability, these red pillers are actually better at doing it 😂
They ain’t lying when they said men are better at doing things
That's what I'm saying ☠️☠️ they come after women all the time but turn a blind eye when it happens to men 😭
MLD (the endure guy) had multiple cases against him for hurting women, but the person next to him was talking about how rare it is for a man to abuse a woman in a relationship. Hopefully that opens that guy’s eyes because domestic violence against women isn’t rare at all. Plus it’s unbelievable how hypocritical and weird MLD and all these red pill people are. How do you say you don’t want to date traumatized women, but go and traumatize women for no reason. And say that you have healthy habits, but constantly talk about how you want to hit women with bottles
You are a good man…😊
It’s ironic he sat right next to an abuser, and also he knew family members personally who went through that “phase” of abuse :|
I believe it's rare that it's a one sided ordeal but yeah but that mld dude sounds like a POS. And it's ironic how he's actually a dude who abuse women.
The other guy was just lying when he said it was rare. He says he's seen multiple families go through abusive "phases." How's it so rare if he knows multiple families that have gone through it?
It's not rare at all
Hiding behind "taken out of context" is the go to excuse for people who get caught saying egregious inflammatory bullshit.
I love all you guys pretending to act like you know or care what context consist of. If I took 30 mins out of 100 days in hours of your life. How could I make you look? What would the context be then? What did he say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc. That maybe the best solution when conflict physical or other irises that perhaps the best thing especially when children are involved would be to stay together and find a way to solve your problems rather than run from them. A completely reasonable position.all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
@@marquisreed1797 My nigga... if you beat women you can just say that lmao
@@marquisreed1797 You make men look bad bro I’m a dude and I don’t want to be associated with dudes like you. Quit defending abuse.
Absolutely. Every person who says “my comments were taken out of context” are the real hidden viewpoints of these horrible people.
I don't claim his view points as red pill. I would call himself red pill but some people do not follow this guy
This is a prime reason why you shouldn’t silence people based on their views, because if they are dumb enough or talk for long enough, people will figure it out
Exactly
@@MarcusGreen-y7g lol mmkay
@@MarcusGreen-y7g No they aren't. Maybe more intelligent than you but that's a low bar.
@@MarcusGreen-y7g if your father slaps your mum across the face, or your daughter’s husband… be intelligent enough to tell her to ENDURE 🙏
Bingo
"Taking out of context" usually means they are justifying the stupid sh*t people say.
Exactly!! It’s actually manipulative 😂
Exactly. This “Out of context” bs is getting out of hand
This 👏
@@polartang250they use "out of context" out of context 😂😂😂
It's them that are disingenuous.
She has it backwards. Most women who get abused don’t tell anyone but she makes it seem like they all overreact.
It is actually both ways. Some women just endure and never tell anyone, some women only tell their friends and families, and some women lie about abuse. It is the same with men. Different people react differently to abuse. It is important to attempt to uncover the truth behind an allegation in the courts, which probably does not happen frequently. But it is another thing to say that the woman should just endure the beatings - that is preposterous.
@@debasishraychawdhuri i don't know about america, but hear in italy the women that end up killed by their partner is HIGH AS FUCK ... expecially in the south.. IT'S A PROBLEM HEAR...
@@CostantinoAlessandroGyasiAbosieven in America a women who left hur abusive husband had her baby killed by him and her and her three other daughters were stabbed.
Looks like he couldn't endure the conversation and left
Firstly f*** Adam and Asian lady. For anyone who believes this was just a civil call out by a genuinely concerned women. You’d be absolutely mistaken. What was seen here today was a deeply insecure scorned women. Whose insufferable outward nature was only magnified by another vindictive women(nat). We know that she’s insecure and scorned due to the way she handled the situation. She choose to handle it on air although the opportunity presented itself off air multiple times. What does this mean? It means this wasn’t about the principle as she tried to make it seem. This was about getting even. This was about wanting to expose him in the way she felt he did her. Secondly we know it was magnified and instigated by 304 nat behind the scenes because she begins to ask nat what was said specifically in the chat as well as nat instantly hops in. However let’s take her allegations serious and those of people defending her. Mld was too stunned to speak. Ask yourself two questions 1is it fair to ask someone to defend something they said with zero context 2how long did she speak and would you have called him manly for cutting her off? To the last 2 issues. The pure level of delusion you have to come to to believe that mld instantly remembered that he called her 40 lbs overweight and that he new what context. Is absolutely disingenuous. Lastly the ultimate point is the idea that this is even something that’s highly reprehensible. Jordan Peterson Myron Gaines Andrew Tate joe Rogan Ben Shapiro etc. the list goes on and on have all called strangers women fat. I guess by her estimation they’re “not normal” “lack integrity” “pieces of sh**” etc. Lastly he left because had another podcast planed immediately after this one his schedule has been on his website for over 3 weeks. Asian girl derails his answering of adams question. He’s responding saying he wants a normal women. She begins the tangentilized shame immediately. Asking him so you think you’re normal? You think you have healthy hobbits. He says yes. She claims that he doesn’t and he’s not normal because he “far shammed ger on the internet”. Now this next point is important. He immediately says in a coal disinterested tone I don’t remember did I call you fat?1:51:27. Here comes the sassy black queen nat. Telling a man don’t do that don’t do that. Now keep in mind what’s being stated and argued by the two geniuses. The premise of their argument is Mld the guy who’s spoken to and watched and commented interacted on the better half of 100s of random women. While managing launching a multi million dollar course that manages hundreds of men. While traveling coast to coast state to state city to city over the course of 6 days. After all of this the most prominent and forefront idea TWO months later, in his head is calling some random girl fat on a podcast in a comment section. Not only that but for whatever reason he was so deeply ashamed and afraid that people would know he called a women far that he decided he had to lie. When if you go check his 10 most recent vids every single one he’s commenting negatively on a women’s looks. Both in person and not. Plus the audience sizes are way larger.This is the argument that’s being made by both nat and the other girl.
@@marquisreed1797 you cant recognize abusers because they mirror you.
@@elise9537 So in certain cases you see what you are in others, but if you're ashamed or it's an inherently bad thing, you just won't? At least I'm assuming so because this comment seems accurate but the opposite can also be true, no shade btw just a genuine question
@@elise9537 Odd. Maybe the read more didn't show up but I said "this comment seems accurate but the opposite can also be true, no shade btw just a genuine question"
That makes sense though, thanks for the response
@@pufflord_gamesonicsoloesyo2365 like if you are a pedophile you can tell if someone has the same tendecies? People who are good at self scrutiny might but most ppl seem to be on autopilot and dont put that much thought into reading other ppls behaviour or intentions. We kinda of give away who we are with little comments like the endure verb within that context. Often we find ways to justify our bad behavior or abusing the ppl around us so I dont think we should trust our own brain and always self reflect.
"edited clip": “Endure”
“it’s out of context"
the full clip : "if you’re getting abused don’t leave !!! endure"
Notice even with your statement there’s tones of context missing. You guys keep making the giant mistake of equating context to -“ a direct quote of what was said in its full length” . However that’s not the only way context is derived. There’s thousands of other relative points of context people recognize and use outside of just a quote of what’s being said directly. For example let’s say there’s a podcast and 2 friend call each other bih. Now if you didn’t know there friends you say they where mad at each other they cursed. What if you did know they where friends and you used that as context. Now you think oh it’s a term of endearment. What you didn’t know is a week ago on there other pod they got into a fight about not liking being called a bih. So you see there’s various forms of context that can be derived beyond just that.
To include the fact that this guys has said multiple times on his own live and others years ago never hit a women etc.
Your being disingenuous your urge to be right is over shadowing your ability to be compassionate which is overshadowing your ability to be deductive. Come to the conclusion that this guys opinion want let psychopathic predators run rampant mrdring and beating women. However that people are flawed and so they come into conflict with one another notional or physical and that if that occurs especially when there’s children evolved the should find a way to to solve there problem that doesn’t place that child at every statistical disadvantage and break the usually mostly beneficial union they’ve created and built for years at this point .
@@marquisreed1797 go cry wittle bitty incel.
@@marquisreed1797 but he himself has hit a woman, get out of the burner account my brother.
With the whole context still sounds dumb, no way someone actually thinks "enduring" abuse, specially physical abuse is ok, tell Johnny depp to endure losing a part of his finger to his wife.
Whoever even agree with this has never, NEVER BEEN ABUSED or even hit a dya in their life, getting beat is not a pleasent feeling, and doing that to your wife, the one person who should be your closest partner is even worse
??? The host of the podcast was crying to Destiny about how he was getting hate even though he didn’t agree with the people he was sitting next to in the clip, but then he goes on the podcast again, and agrees with Pearl, that the clip is out of context. That is world-class pandering to his audience 😭
Somebody needs to make a reaction to him pandering to Destiny, and then the next day pandering on his podcast pearl. The lies are mind-boggling. This Brian guy needs to be exposed as the grifting pathetic loser he is. I’m sure somebody will do it 🤣 all of these redpill deadbeats need to be sacrificed to the internet drama gods.
I saw that clip. He was practically sucking Destiny off, as well. It got awkward. IDK what he was expecting Destiny to say, but he was straight up honest with him the whole way through. Damn that convo was like a car wreck.
Facts. He’s so pathetic
this podcast should be done so we can focus on the fun stuff :)
yeah i watched the stream too. *destiny how can i become an orbiter?* criiiinge xD
Pearl looks like a boiled unseasoned potato.
*is
No
@@relax9216 Yes
@@crowofjudgement4718 maybe?
@@crowofjudgement4718 she's not even ugly
Endure abuse is crazy thats like saying,"just endure rape"
Ppl love control. They say endure so they can feel like they still have power🤷🏽♂️
It’s because he’s an abuser. Hit a women over the head with a glass bottle. That’s why he wants women to “endure.”
@@bentoomet8805 You’re wrong about multiple things. The first being can you give me the evidence and breakdown of his court case? The answer is no. So factually speaking all your saying is a man has accusations against him by unknown 3rd party sources. So you don’t have a fookin clue wether he’s an abuser as you claim.Secondly domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
No foolish one those things are only similar if everyone used abuse in the same way and defined it in that way. That’s not the case however endure abuse for people nowadays for some means there spouse forgot there anniversary. For others it means they have to where a hijab can’t drive and if they speak out of turn they get punched in the face.
@@okita_souji_alter No foolish one those things are only similar if everyone used abuse in the same way and defined it in that way. That’s not the case however endure abuse for people nowadays for some means there spouse forgot there anniversary. For others it means they have to where a hijab can’t drive and if they speak out of turn they get punched in the face. Your being disingenuous your urge to be right is over shadowing your ability to be compassionate which is overshadowing your ability to be deductive. Come to the conclusion that this guys opinion was to let psychopathic predators run rampant mrdring and beating women. However that people are flawed and so they come into conflict with one another emotional or physical and that if that occurs especially when there’s children evolved the should find a way to to solve there problem that doesn’t place that child at every statistical disadvantage and break the usually mostly beneficial union they’ve created and built for years at this point .
8:16 Holy fuck! Pearl just made this worse! She just said coercive control and financial abuse aren't forms of abuse!
lol a woman can go be broke and alone, if they want to fold to finances that’s on them
Pearl has been slowly disappointing me as time goes on
She outed herself by mistake and didn’t even notice💀
Pearl became antisemetic
They keep digging their own grave. Smh
Sticking up for his abusive buddy... birds of a feather 🐔
You’re wrong about multiple things. The first being can you give me the evidence and breakdown of his court case? The answer is no. So factually speaking all your saying is a man has accusations against him by unknown 3rd party sources. So you don’t have a fookin clue wether he’s an abuser as you claim.Secondly domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
This dude is capping so hard. Melina's edited version was *tamer* than the original podcast. With the additional context it was *worse* than the edited version.
Like actually a lot worse, because if you include the whole thing they try to defend their point for 5+ mins 😂🤦
@@bentoomet8805 What did he say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
What did he say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
@@bentoomet8805he states conflict arises in relationships and it’s not clear that with either physical or emotional abuse the best thing especially when there’s kids involved is to just leave. I don’t see any reason why that’s not a fair position please explain?
@@marquisreed1797 so you’re saying that a women should stick around when being physically abused because of the kids? Then the same guy said once the women cheat divorced should happen….
I understand you like these guys but like don’t be stupid and coop
I watched my mom get beaten by my dad, Ive seen my uncle slap my aunt, it is hard to witness such a thing I cant imagine being the victim in the situation, to imagine the trauma they go through and then you hear someone say “endure” its mind boggling. This whole pandering thing especially coming from pearl is disgusting at this point i hope karma really does bite her in the ass because shes been foul towards women…its one thing to speak facts like yes men can be victims, men have been taken advantage of by some women but to just say all wives are horrible, women are bad, women are monsters…coming from a woman who got no ring, cant wait to see how her married life turns out..this self righteous virtual signalling is sick
It was absolutely NOT out of context. That guy with his crazy bulging eyes straight up said women should ENDURE being beaten. 🙄 he said it several times!
“Endure, endure!”
-Johnathan the Chump, MLD
Man look at the LEGEND OF WINNING so inspirational
Dude casually paid $100 to ask a question
I wonder if I was the only person who caught that lol.
I saw that 😂😂 I would never
@@xanjey17there's people paying way more. Why'd you think everyone and their mom is doing podcasts?
@@TheFaro2011 I don’t care what they do. I said I ain’t doing it 😂😂😂 these folks will never get a dime from me. They don’t be talking about nothing either. Just spreading bull crap and toxicity
@@xanjey17 i appreciate that person's sacrifice for asking THE RIGHT QUESTION to attempt to get the audience to open their eyes to TRUTH. However, thats same thing I said they wont get a DIME of mines 😂❤
How hard it is to be like "I don't agree." They talk so much about holding people accountable, but you're so scared to say you disagree with someone because they are normally on "your side"
Exactly. Any person regardless of gender or sexual orientation can be toxic and abusive.
Men hit women, women hit men, men hit other men and women hit other women.
I would help any loved one in an abusive relationship get out of their situation and not speak statistics about who is more abused.
It's not a one case study that covers all situations scenario at all. Can't believe all men or all women. Just support what's right - in that particular case without making it political and life would be easier for so many abuse victims and survivors..
Why is this so hard???
Agreed. Whats that pfp
@@anavijaiswalit's hard because they're stupid asf😂
cuz those yes sayers next to them want to have validation. nothing more, nothing less
I’m going to throw in my 2 cents, and I want everyone to hear this. If you are with someone and they are hurting you physically, emotionally, or sexually, get out of the relationship. If someone cares about you they don’t hurt you, they help you, and they want to help you because they care about you.
Question: if a woman is being beaten by her husband should she stay in the marriage?
Pearl: Women Lie
The question is: is the woman actually being beaten by her husband, or is she saying it just to get sympathy. Women do lie. The metoo movement proved it, a bunch of women getting men fired based on allegations that were never proven.
They do.
@@Hennybear600Obviously, they were talking about when it ACTUALLY happens should she leave or not. It's a simple yes or no question.
At this point the "endure" statement means way less than the fact that he not only beats women in his relationships but those who turn him down. The "endure" thing is just the cherry on top. SMH
Your wrong about multiple things. The first being can you give me the evidence and breakdown of his court case? The answer is no. So factually speaking all your saying is a man has accusations against him by unknown 3rd party sources. So you don’t have a fookin clue wether he’s an abuser as you claim.Secondly domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
Not to mention he can’t “endure” if cheated on xD which is probably for the better since she might end up dead if he stays
Right. He's a complete clown. He did an interview with Donovan 6 it only made him look worse.
3:55 "We'll i'm glad we've got Pearl here cause Pearl's gonna really talk some sense into this panel" bro I was laughing so damn hard
As someone who watched my sister be In an abusive marriage for like 20 years, she finally left that marriage got a divorce but she legit would have died if she stayed.. the ideology that women need to just stay in abusive relationships/ or marriages. Is dangerous af & it shames women into staying married. even when my sister got divorced her whole small town knew he was abusive but they still called her a hoe for getting a divorce…
I am glad your sister took the brave step to end her abusive marriage. The people are nuts for shaming her to stay in that abusive relationship!
Jesus 😢
Oh my god!😢
This is such serious and blatant backtracking and lying that im actually surprised they attempted to act like what they said was something else
What did they say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc. That maybe the best solution when conflict physical or other irises that perhaps the best thing especially when children are involved would be to stay together and find a way to solve your problems rather than run from them. A completely reasonable position.all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
@@marquisreed1797 🤡 "just endure"
@@liyanqil this mfs its literally going on every comment copy and pasting this shit, prob his burner account
@@bleeem true, more like cope account
@@marquisreed1797 okay lil bro 😂
If you followed red pill content around 2018-2019, it was a space that was actually really helpful. Self improving, getting better, and taking control of your life was pretty much the core of it. Obviously the female nature stuff too, but man has it become such a circus. We went from those things being the forefront, to it being clowned because of people like this dude. Always said once it went “mainstream” this would happen though. Once you started seeing influencers/podcasts make it something it wasn’t by diluting the message, it was over. Sad, really.
That’s why I stopped taking them serious in 2018. I wasn’t in the community but appreciated the aspect of improving but noticed quickly the circus it was becoming. It’s sad
It's incredibly sad man, 2018 - 2019 it was incredibly helpful. I was losing weight, found a new sense of self-respect and had a great outlook on life. After it took a severe nose dive into "WomanBad" And influencers bringing women on just to talk bad about them and not give any self-improving advice & when it became a cesspool of men not taking accountability or believing they don't have to. I slowly drifted back into my depressive lifestyle.
red pill content has always been toxic. Just like pink pill content.
@@beastside9400 I’m glad you bring up the fact that they bring on some on the most delusional woman to “prove” a point but if you don’t live on the internet, you will realize its a small amount of Woman who really think like that(extreme views) the clowns like fresh and fit have an agenda to push and its weak trash.
@@beastside9400 Well then bad news, but you're weak. You shouldn't need a bunch of manbabies and fake alphas supporting you to lead a healthy and fulfilling lifestyle. The good news is that you have until you die to do better. Find something that makes you happy that doesn't hurt other people, and pursue it.
As a traditional woman myself (according to the strictest rules imposed by the redpill) I knew this woman was a huge pick me. The men drooling after her egregiously whack takes on stuff she had zero knowledge about are cringey.
She should take her own advice and listen to women who are actually married and are traditional. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth, what does she know about the real world where women are forced to look after themselves and have no other choice?
I knew she would expose herself soon, just not this soon. I am happy people are using their mind. Kudos to you two❤️👍
You are not traditional.
@@goddessahri2838 and you got that from a comment lmao
@@goddessahri2838it's mind-blowing that people think traditional or non-western women would agree with Pearl. Even in West Africa, this Pearl is sprouting stuff that is pretty wild.
@@rhuonaChanelexactly😂😂😂😂
pearl acts like she's not a woman
Ad hominem sign language shame insult and the need to be right when you can’t defeat the argument this is what it comes down to. The sad part is this should’ve and could’ve opened the door for a great conversation. About physical abuse can emotional abuse. About violence conflict resolution etc. So we have solutions when these things inevitably do happen.However instead we’ve got shot form reaction based content creators. Divulging for 10 mins about a topic that could take years to discuss. To compound that issue 1diot commentators like yourself.
Finally a guy who says it! We’re all thinking it… she’s pick me pearl for a reason😂
Im waiting to see when or how her grief will end, is she going to have increasinly normal and reasonable takes as time goes on to stray away from the extreme ass shit people are onto rn, or is she just going to do a 180 and become a super feminist ?
She’s trans
I think you mean pearl acts like we can't see her entire brand and m/o isnt, shit on women so boys like me, key word... Boys.
Pickme is an understatement.
Pearl's response was absolutely pathetic. I gave the easiest softball and she still managed to fumble it.
I believe Brian, but it's sad that none of these guys have the courage to hold other men accountable.
Oh you asked a question on there?
Pearl a liar??? No way😂
@@dredpool3927 Yes
Time for me to stop watching both Pearl and Whatever and the idiotic hypocritical guys on there. So sad and pathetic, if this is the image of a true man then dam we are fk3d.
@@dredpool3927 What did he say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
MLD and Pearl should get married and endure each other.Pearl is ready to endure and MLD is ready to dish out some endurance..
We will collectively watch from far…😊😊😊
I think they will make a good couple..
Ok black queen kryptonite Ad hominem sign language shame insult guilt and the need to be right when you can’t defeat the argument this is what it comes down to. The sad part is this should’ve and could’ve opened the door for a great conversation. About physical abuse can emotional abuse. About violence conflict resolution etc. So we have solutions when these things inevitably do happen.However instead we’ve got shot form reaction based content creators. Divulging for 10 mins about a topic that could take years to discuss. To compound that issue 1diot commentators like yourself.
Underrated comment right here^
Agree😂
Wouldn't that be a sight 😂
I’d to watch 😢
So they are just as delusional as the women they call delusional 😂 Got it!
Red pill = Feminists they hate 😂
The irony
It’s sooo funny watching the guy say Melina took him out of context just for him to join Destiny live on stream not have any of that same energy
The dumb thing is, Brian during the conversation in question, sat there looking uncomfortable and never said a thing. Now he seems to be trying to do damage control. Should have spoken up at the time. My respect is gone.
Who’s the guy with the black cap ?
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
What did he say beyond just what’s been clipped here? I find it funny that you guys allow your entire opinions to be shifted without full context. This is a man who can be clearly quoted saying live on air to never hit a women etc and that before this pod aired. The point he was making on the pod was a good one. What should be done if domestic v does occur? How should we view emotional abuse vs physical abuse? Etc. That maybe the best solution when conflict physical or other irises that perhaps the best thing especially when children are involved would be to stay together and find a way to solve your problems rather than run from them. A completely reasonable position.all these things are extremely nuanced deep conversations that not only would be good to have but need to be had. Not because we all don’t agree with absolute values. Like people shouldn’t get mrdered people shouldn’t starve etc. but to create for solutions for the inevitable fact that these things both are and will occur.
@@marquisreed1797 A man that laughs at the physical abuse of woman is not a man that should be teaching other men. His solution was not aimed at the man who was physically abusing his wife, it was to the person who was being abused. What context is missing? I watched the entire episode, the man came off as a woman hater. We as men need to hold ourselves to a higher standard, we need to be leaders and men of virtue.
@@marquisreed1797you under every comment in this video defending this guy. You’re either an incel, his burner account, or simply missing some chromosomes. Let us know which one it is
@@loganfire3 Word.
@@loganfire3 No his solution was aimed at Melina who kept asking unfair disingenuous questions meant to frame the opposing side in a negative light. Regardless of the fact that 4 people literally kept describing in a multitude of ways that her question was niche and focused on a problem that isn’t accurately portrayed often in our society.
@12:50: When you ask “Why do I have to break down this shit?”
That’s the most AGGRAVATING part of gaslighters. Not only do they gaslight you (in this case, he’s claiming he never said you have to stay with an abuser when he did) but then they make you explain to them why the thing they KNOW they did wrong, is wrong.
Gaslighters really make you so SO MUCH EXTRA LABOR.
I’ve never understood how people think they can just lie about public recorded conversations
How is physical abuse a phase? Can you imagine your partner being like, “Yeah, I know you went to work with a swollen lip that day. Not to mention that other time when ppl were asking about that knot on your forehead…but fr babe that was just a phase.” GTFO!
Not to mention there are cases where some people have killed their spouses. Like the recently with a guy that was a contestant of Family Feud
@@ericatheempress6698 and the opposite also happens, if you hit someone they have all the right to hit you back, but some people dont just hit you back they stab or shoot you lol
And the award for the biggest pick me goes to Pearl!
Ad hominem sign language shame insult and the need to be right when you can’t defeat the argument this is what it comes down to. The sad part is this should’ve and could’ve opened the door for a great conversation. About physical abuse can emotional abuse. About violence conflict resolution etc. So we have solutions when these things inevitably do happen.However instead we’ve got shot form reaction based content creators. Divulging for 10 mins about a topic that could take years to discuss. To compound that issue 1diot commentators like yourself.
This is why an iq test should be mandatory before your allowed to comment. Her point isn’t the what you just tried to make it into. Which is that coercive control and financial abuse aren’t types of abuse. Her point was that abuse has become a container word for various different suboptimal actions or behavior that don’t all rank the same in there negative impact. Which in turn causes an unjust amount of unnecessary push back on things that are more trivial than others.
@@marquisreed1797 Bra u got 82 comments on this video within a hour trying to defend people who don’t know you, go do something with your life. That’s pathetic bra.
@@marquisreed1797 you need an IQ test yourself. This comment is just recycled for everyone giving critism to Pearl whether it makes sense or not, which it doesn't in this case.
I checked out the moment she said "the clips were taken out of context"...she might have made some honest points in the video but that still doesn't change the fact that she's a big pick me
We can always count on Pearl to do the bare minimum in defending women 🥰. She literally said I need specifics because women cry abuse for everything and we have lost the true meaning, the true and beautiful meaning of abuse! So women and men listen up, we need to dig deep and really come together to find what it really means to be abused. No more crying abuse, nay nay! What we need to start doing is gaslighting ourselves into believing that abuse is but a fairytale. I hope this advice helps! Thanks Pearly for being a real one yet again 🥲🤞🏾
Girl🤣
That part is true tho women cry about every thing they claim every thing is abuse when it’s not
@@kerrinichols-mu6quwhat’s w the generalization? That simply is not true
@@kerrinichols-mu6qu and gender based violence is a fairytale BTW pearl makes money by telling men what they want to hear
@@kerrinichols-mu6quthe conversation was about actual physical abuse and not some girl crying wolf.
Anyone been in a relationship with someone who turned out to be a drug addict can tell you what real abuse looks like. My meth addict ex wife has abused me physically, mentally, and financially. She’s on the streets now.
Pearl always being the pick me girl for red pillers yet she’s STILL unmarried and not in a relationship. Just give up and stop. There’s a Aba and Preach video that literally exposes all the efforts she’s tried to get laid and get a man and she’s failed badly, grifting this hard for no gain what so ever is insane.
Well for one 'pick me' is an insult by envious females, they're better for men _overall_
For two, she's still a female, so she's most likely exercising hypergamy, especially because she makes money so she _artificially inflates_ her own self worth like most women do with makeup, education and money.
She tried to partake in the hookup culture and nobody wanted to have sex with her not even when she was desperate. She was even talking about how she was the last to lose her virginity. She's just a sad rejected girl that has been at the back her whole life.
@@tessy28 facts
Agreed. But she's got clout and fame, and people like her are addicted to that.
She is annoying and flavorless.
I want everyone to know that someone who ALWAYS dresses up for no reason, even during a casual hangout, has a good chance of becoming a narcissist.
Wouldn't that apply to most women? 😂
@@mohammedmbega5304 i live in NYC and I’ve literally met not one single woman in my life that always dresses up for no reason. I’ve literally met only one person like that ever and he is a guy and his reasoning actually makes sense even if its a little cringey
@@mohammedmbega5304 Most people don't dress up for no reason.
Internet psychology 101 🙃. What a silly statement
That was thee worst suit ive seen in a long ass time
The redpill foundation fallin down crazy bro 😂
👏👏👏
No, as a conservative, we don't agree on everything and I'm disgusted that John Doyle didn't do the right thing n advocate for healthy relationships.
It'd be like me saying that all Leftists want dreg time story hour.... not all do
@@deecee2174 what do y'all agree on, just curious?
@@outsider2.08 hard to say, there's usually a few conservatives that will always disagree with the main stream points of view in the right-wing circles.... I'd say The Border in the south or constitutional rights is the most universal agreement but even then there's ambiguous interpretations of law that Cons and Republicans disagree on
@@outsider2.08 I'm more of a social libertarian, fiscal conservative, alot of Conservatives disagree with me on gey marriage and small government, which is fine for them to do
There’s no such thing as an “abusive phase” or “a little abuse” when it comes to domestic violence. It just shows how little these people know or choose to be ignorant of. Every statistic and data point about this stuff screams escalation and escalation only.
This man really walking up in these podcasts with his cowboy bebop spike spiegel suit
That’s what I’m saying😂 straight bum
Dont disrespect cowboy bebop like that😭 but mann its highwater too with plain church loafers he wearin. Aint no way he got dressed and said "the hoes gon love thisss"
It's not a bad fit it's just on a trash can person 😂
@@lavellelee5734 true
Someone tell Pearl to get a life 😭 she’s still salty about Aba N Preach and Oshay Duke Jackson coming for her neck 💀
Pearl is ignorant by choice. How can anyone take her serious.and the clips were not heavily edited. Hes trying to not get canceled
Why’s pearl ignorant?domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
The clips where edited there was an entire convo that happened for hours. The clip was what 90 sec?
@@marquisreed1797 According to the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy, nearly 20% of marriages and intimate partnerships experience physical violence. That's not rare.
@@marquisreed1797 can you please present the statistics that demonstrate that physical abuse is rare (if you could also tell us how you’re using the term “rare”).
@@ebonyjackson3198and that’s just the ones which are known about, there will be others which are unreported too
I love how playback does their due diligence and find different sources to confirm the bullshit that is being said/shown, The aba & preach video further proves the hypocrisy that the redpill community has, yall r fucking lit 🔥
The context 100% made it worse. "Out of context" is the new "SOURCE??" when someone says something common sense.
Isn't your boyfriend also a red pill clown?
The lack of accountability is ridiculous.
Thank you so much for addressing this. The red pill favorite scapegoat is to say their take was taken out of context. Most of them don’t stand on anything they say. like no, your take way just awful af lol
No you just don’t understand what context consist of. You guys seem to believe context only consist of what was said 1 moment in time direct quote regardless of any outside factors. However you guys don’t believe that because you don’t even operate that way in your normal lives. What it is is that it’s easier to misconstrue the other sides argument . Than it would be to do the research necessary to derive actual context.
@@marquisreed1797 context- the circumstances that form the setting for a statement or idea in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed. the only context needed is the question Melina asked which is what created the setting. any research outside the conversation is outside the setting created in that room
@@marquisreed1797 cope
@@taylormade9748 He's been posting rubbish all over the thread. A very miserable and wretched human being
I just love the Asian girl in the back with the helmet showed back up 😂😂😂
You can just see all over Pearls face how disappointed she is that she gave up herself completely to the manosphere only to still be single and more hated than ever.
Believe it or not, "endure grape" is gonna be the next hot take from these redpill guys.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were already preparing right now to talk about that
@@MikoWilson27 i bet its gonna start with marital rape first. Because its the "duty" of a wife
it already is with some of these guys actually saying grape victims should continue to have the baby. The argument because its not the babies fault like the shit doesn't sound real
@@tler6171 ah right.. sick people
You’re 2 months late to the party.
2 months ago Charleston white was on F&F and he bragged about gang gRaping white women. 6 men 1 girl.
Myron the alphamale protector laughed at it while Fresh made train noises.
Look it up.
This "ENDURE" dude is actually charged with assaulting a woman in Japan(i guess he used to live/lives there). Theres a whole video about it and how he just punched this girl 👊 straight in the face. And here we have this type of dude giving dating/marriage advice...
Bro couldn't endure a little heat from a chick damn
Don’t call women chick .
@@R-rr1why your not the boss of shit
13:40 yall I have rewound the show back to this point and played it until about the 17 minute mark like 4 times now. I have tears in my eyes of... like....I now understand why people get teary at a beautiful work of art. That segue was... magic.
Bravo good sirs. BRAVO 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Take a shot of water every time someone says "context" and see how sober you are by the end of the video
I couldn't endure
You guys don’t even understand what context consist of I’m beginning to believe this division is one of iq. Not a division of ideas.
@@michalis75No idea what context consist of
@@marquisreed1797 you good bro? You’re replying on every single comment defending these bozos while crying lmao. You sure you’re not a burner?
Dont forget that after he said the black eye thing, the other dude joked and said, i shouldnt have had to tell her twice. So they both joked about it. I watched the whole podcast when it dropped, they were all saying women should stay in the relationship if they are abused. Later the church guy finally says ok they should leave, but before destiny and his wife pushed them on it, they all agreed they should stay but leave if the woman cheats. Red pill a bunch of dorks
Didn’t they also mention if it was their daughter being physically abused, then they should leave?
Now we know why dude loves Japanese women so much lmao they’ve been “enduring” his bullshit for so long
The implications on that are damning. 😭
You’re wrong about multiple things. The first being can you give me the evidence and breakdown of his court case? The answer is no. So factually speaking all your saying is a man has accusations against him by unknown 3rd party sources. So you don’t have a fookin clue wether he’s an abuser as you claim.Secondly domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
@@okita_souji_alter You’re wrong about multiple things. The first being can you give me the evidence and breakdown of his court case? The answer is no. So factually speaking all your saying is a man has accusations against him by unknown 3rd party sources. So you don’t have a fookin clue wether he’s an abuser as you claim.Secondly domestic violence against women is rare that’s a statement of fact based on statistics. ESPECIALLY in the way it’s being talked about here that being one sided psychopathic male abuse on a complete innocent female victim. Most abuse from men to women is mutual . Would you like to talk about facts? Or continue on about what is essentially your self aligned opinions?
@@marquisreed1797lmaoo you so emotional
@@marquisreed1797 bro typed a whole essay just to essentially say nothing. My comment was a joke bro☠️☠️
I’ve noticed how some women are naturally attractive just off demeanor alone. That Pearly thing though…she gives off Al Bundy vibes EVERY TIME I see her!
Just remember the 5 D's of relationships. Dodge, duck, dive, dip and dodge. Simple
😂😂😂😂
You guys are super well spoken. Love the content.
Pearls the final boss of pick me bitches
Telling to anyone to stay in an abusive relationship is the biggest bullshit i ever heard. Abuse can come in many forms, physical, mental, emotional... each of them can cause lifetime trauma... and those who says "endure" obviously delusional and never been in these situations..
I agree it’s just sad because this is the exact same thing men get told when they deal with abuse from women and even other men and no one cares about that
Shout out to the stack of books under the laptop. That disingenuous podcast can't afford a laptop stand, lol 😅😅😅
...pearl out of all people talking about anyone being disingenuous?
This exactly why you two are my guys because your transparent and honest about the black and white area
They wouldnt be telling women to endure if it was their daughter, sister or mom getting socked out
My auntie was in 2 ABUSIVE marriages, she just wanted to be loved. She's an amazing woman, who'll do anything for others.
For the record…he said that one instance of physical abuse is okay. Got it 👍🏽
He also surrounded that with more context. With the idea that’s it’s not just one sided psychopathic male perpetrator to innocent benevolent female victim as many like to portray. Although the actual data overwhelmingly shows it’s both involved in conflict. Counter to the narrative that’s been socially inflicted upon men for generations.
I will be real though. Relationships are hella tough and humans hold back more evil tendancies than you might think. From a realistic standpoint I think if someone was just having a bad day and slapped their partner or say some awful shit... I dont think its that bad. Its bound to happen eventually
@@marquisreed1797 I agree that the narrative of the benevolent female victim is tired and violence in bad relationships is not one sided like society says it is. But, however he wants to dress it up, he said that one instance of physical violence is okay and that it can be worked through. Which, in my option, is ludicrous. There is not such thing as a partner that just hits their husband or wife just one time. That’s ingrained behavior and a moral compass that says it’s okay to put your hands on a person you are supposed to love. That’s a tough stand to take for someone who apparently comments violent language and has alleged issues with violence against women.
@@100dayGamer saying something and acting physical against someone are to totally different things. You can say whatever you want. But once you cross the lines of physical aggression, and when you can find ways to justify it, there’s no going back from that. Plenty of people have bad days. Many people take it out on their partners. But to put your hands on someone that you’re supposed to love and support is, to me, unforgivable.
@@jerroljulian Look I don’t know what your issue is precisely. If your saying people shouldn’t randomly hit others for no reason at all then we agree. That however has zero to do with his position or anyone else’s position that was layed out there. It’s a contentious issue we don’t have a solution to. Which is what’s the acceptable behavior when women use social aggression the translates to physical aggression on the male front? It’s a fair question and that’s clearly the question that wanted to be layed out. Anyone else who thought otherwise aka MELINA. Was attempting to be deviously disingenuous which is why nearly every person there told her her individually ger example didn’t make any fookin since it was to specific and focused on an issue with an obvious answer.
Agents dreads lookin tuff fr 🔥
All i can say is before entertaining a lady i remove all the empty bottles etc. around. Abuse is not rare at all. The amount of mental health issues people have is crazy, ranging from complexes to full on manic stuff. Generally be careful with each other and animals also, love and be just.🙏
It's not rare and what he said about people who grew up in abusive households and grew up to be healthy and successful! Like what??! How do you know they are happy or healthy?! What world is he living in?
Redpillers like everyone else push their narrative. MLD is just an atrocious guy. Buying women is not the same as chemistry or attraction, two words you will never hear from these guys themselves or the 304 girls they surround themselves with. They are in short unattractive nasty attituded males who overcompensate in other areas to achieve easy women and dont respect anything because they dont have real basic value or values themselves. Just older boys with toys that cater to a growing Godless incel audience. I love how high value women, when invited are able to corner these guys and then they just shut down.😁Be just.🙏 It's just entertainment but the danger of misprogramming young men is high. If you have to resort to or be victim of abuse, it's not worth your time, let alone your life and limbs.
The man who cannot endure a verbal confrontation telling a woman to endure physical violence! Can’t make this shit up!
The man who claims women are too emotional runs off the stage like a little girl!
One second they telling you to ENDURE and the next they saying “choose better” and “take accountability.” Always with inconsistent thought processes… it’s purely entertainment at this point, I don’t even get frustrated anymore watching this.
Exactly! After this they’ll say Choose better men that are not beaters! But the clowns cannot even take accountability for wanting to punch a woman
Marquis reed fighting for his life fr
Bro is in EVERY video, under EVERY comment.
The dude is batshit crazy 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Coping hard af
Taking marital advice from pearl is like taking flying instructions from me. Im not a pilot but i wish to be a pilot
If it’s one thing I’ve noticed about these “red pill” mfers, it’s that they refuse to hold themselves accountable for any of the crazy shit they say. Smh
So you don't know anything about the RP other than the salesmen making videos huh?
Why dont you start with Colttaine buddy: www.youtube.com/@colttaine5887/videos
ok but can we talk about how weird that MLD guy keep randomly saying black lives matter was? like wtf was dude talking about. gave me implications he might be a racist cuz where the fuck did that come from
I honestly think he was just saying a bunch of "buzzwords" that the leftists use all the time and just threw them all together. Its the only reason why i kinda believe the whole "he was 7 white claws in" but like getting drunk and then going on a podcast?? Not really professional
@@jamille101 even if he was drunk that just makes it worse imo cuz when people are drum they start to say what they really think
It was said to distract from the real issues at hand.
@@aaronlampkin284 I get that but him specifically saying Black Lives Matter had me raising my eyebrow and going what do you mean by that
@@GxGNoir Same but thats still the main goal. My eyebrow is already raised when he’s talking about endure abuse but Conservation always rules the nation. These clowns with a bullshit agenda will always out themselves through their words.
Only abusers think women should stay in DV situations.
My ex BIL is a textbook narcissist, abused my sister emotionally, psychologically and physically and had the NERVE to tell her she’s a quitter when she finally decided to leave.
Thank you at the end! You could tell this dude was straight cappin by the way he was pretending he couldn’t remember what exactly was said and was just sooo confused.
Buddy you’ve seen those clips 10, if not 20+ times by now. Stop pretending like you can’t remember.
You just don’t want to say it straight because it sounds bad
Firstly f*** Adam and Asian lady. For anyone who believes this was just a civil call out by a genuinely concerned women. You’d be absolutely mistaken. What was seen here today was a deeply insecure scorned women. Whose insufferable outward nature was only magnified by another vindictive women(nat). We know that she’s insecure and scorned due to the way she handled the situation. She choose to handle it on air although the opportunity presented itself off air multiple times. What does this mean? It means this wasn’t about the principle as she tried to make it seem. This was about getting even. This was about wanting to expose him in the way she felt he did her. Secondly we know it was magnified and instigated by 304 nat behind the scenes because she begins to ask nat what was said specifically in the chat as well as nat instantly hops in. However let’s take her allegations serious and those of people defending her. Mld was too stunned to speak. Ask yourself two questions 1is it fair to ask someone to defend something they said with zero context 2how long did she speak and would you have called him manly for cutting her off? To the last 2 issues. The pure level of delusion you have to come to to believe that mld instantly remembered that he called her 40 lbs overweight and that he new what context. Is absolutely disingenuous. Lastly the ultimate point is the idea that this is even something that’s highly reprehensible. Jordan Peterson Myron Gaines Andrew Tate joe Rogan Ben Shapiro etc. the list goes on and on have all called strangers women fat. I guess by her estimation they’re “not normal” “lack integrity” “pieces of sh**” etc. Lastly he left because had another podcast planed immediately after this one his schedule has been on his website for over 3 weeks. Asian girl derails his answering of adams question. He’s responding saying he wants a normal women. She begins the tangentilized shame immediately. Asking him so you think you’re normal? You think you have healthy hobbits. He says yes. She claims that he doesn’t and he’s not normal because he “far shammed ger on the internet”. Now this next point is important. He immediately says in a coal disinterested tone I don’t remember did I call you fat?1:51:27. Here comes the sassy black queen nat. Telling a man don’t do that don’t do that. Now keep in mind what’s being stated and argued by the two geniuses. The premise of their argument is Mld the guy who’s spoken to and watched and commented interacted on the better half of 100s of random women. While managing launching a multi million dollar course that manages hundreds of men. While traveling coast to coast state to state city to city over the course of 6 days. After all of this the most prominent and forefront idea TWO months later, in his head is calling some random girl fat on a podcast in a comment section. Not only that but for whatever reason he was so deeply ashamed and afraid that people would know he called a women far that he decided he had to lie. When if you go check his 10 most recent vids every single one he’s commenting negatively on a women’s looks. Both in person and not. Plus the audience sizes are way larger.This is the argument that’s being made by both nat and the other girl
These MFs are just gaslighting everyone to the extreme Everytime they say "It WaS TaKeN oUt oF CoNtExT!!!" 🤡🤡🤡
Love that you and Ava n Preach are exposing this fool
saying endure after getting bruised by someone you love is crazy... seems like they definitely endured to me. if this was an NBA Finals They Would've won the Championship
7:55 The girl in the hat!!! Her face when Pearl said we’ve “lost the meaning of abuse” was absolutely perfect!!! 😝
One thing people often forget is that women in abusive relationships often stay because their partner might kill them if they try to leave. Women are 9 times more likely to be killed by their male partners than men are likely to be killed by their female partners. That’s why shelters for abused women to go and hide in exist.
It’s _never_ as easy as “just leave.”
Wasn’t that same host on Destiny’s stream crying because ppl were associating him with the “out of context” talking points?!
YUP. Don’t worry I’m sure in a few days people will start making reaction videos to that conversation with Destiny and cutting it next to this one with Pearl 🤣
I love this channel, you really see things like us watchers do x
ENDURE!!!😂 I swear these RP ppl be sad bro they throw disrespect and ask for respect after dissing somebody it’s wild
This guy and Pearl are the ❄️ version of Fresh and Fit
The fact that there saying the clip was taken out of context to defend that guys horrible take is crazy 🤦🏿♂️
Damn JustLonelyThings Looks pregnant in the clip
If she is I would say that might be a good thing because she will have less time to hop on the Internet to spout her bs.😅
Someone would actually have to want to touch her first...
Pearl can’t think for herself at all
Pearl is such a "pick me girl" 😂
There are different names for “assault” and “abuse” depending on the severity. Especially in criminal law. The general public just doesn’t know the specific terms therefore they default to their imagination whenever they are presented with either of those words.
Pearl the Queen of pick me 😅
Two very sensible men here. I hate that people are trying to get back to traditional values when we aren't in the 50s anymore. We live in a modern world and thus we need to learn to adapt to that modern world but we can still appreciate thing like family values but understand that family can be compromised of many things and that tradition is not like it used to be. We have to adoption reasonably new definitions for modern family and new roles for those families. It's how that works. Why do they have to over think this so hard?