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Just decided to watch your video. I am So glad I did. Everything you're saying is 💯 % accurate, in my opinion of course. I have been looking at RV since around 2018. I've seen plenty if Amazing and Beautiful used RVs of all types, name brands and sizes. If I ever decide to get one, I'll know exactly what I want. So Everything you are saying here, I totally agree. Do Your Research, and be Very picky. K owledge is the most Important before buying an RV or anything for that matter. I want to say Thank you for sharing your thoughts and information with everyone here. Hope you and everyone here has a Safe, Blessed and Wonderful Sunday...😊
I do my research also. I bought new in 2017 a Aspen Trail 17BH. It had zero problems I loved it but the lack of slide was the problem. The "dance" with three dogs became a problem. I bought a new Aspen Trail 2340BHSWE in Feb/March 2021. I'd been looking at this unit being the shortest private bedroom/bunkhouse and light for a year. Part of why I did this was because They gave me a thousand more than I paid for my 2017 in trade AND they had two levels of new ones on the lots. One they had delivered in like November December and then NEW ones were arriving. The new ones were listed at 2K MORE than the first ones delivered...and the dealers said they expected another increase on the next batch after the new ones... I KNEW the prices were going to go up AND the trade offer and the two levels of pricing on the new ones was a harbinger. I knew the quality was coming down as Covid get its feet under it. I got mine for 23,600 AND a 3.24% rate 120 months. I pay 204 a month for it. In March 2020, they were going for as low as 21K. A year later in mid 2022, they were going for as high as 45K in some places (RV Trader) and 35K all day long elsewhere. Low rates were helping them sell then. They are now back down to around 30K as of July 2023 and rates are almost three times higher. I am fully aware of Dutchmen Aspen Trail's on the "quality heirarchy" and so looked at like three dealerships at the units and went with the least expensive. I'm also good with stick and tin... The one I got had excellent plumbing and wiring and the underneath looked good. It appeared that the factory had had to go back in under the axles and so there was a big hole, but the dealer fixed it. I think a drain line or fresh water drain was bad, but they fixed it at the factory but forgot to fix the hole. So I looked and the dealer looked and they fixed it...better than new. The roof looked good also. It did have all the "quality issues" associated with all the little stuff inside. I immediately put a Road Armor suspension on it (worth every penny) and put a door on to enhance the under sink access along with identical matching metal door handle pieces that function as towel holders in the bath and kitchen. After the first season, one, the switch from a regular slatted siding in front to a flat version from the manufacturer resulting in the flat front pushing in very noticably in the wind. This put pressure on the sides with potential leakage particularly at speed in a rain... There were quite a few people with this problem and videos online. I gave all that info to the dealer and their service people were apparently aware of it. Dutchmen was giving people at first a hard time but not me. They took the front off and reinforced it. Put it back right. I JUST put Good Year Endurance tires on it before a 3K mile trip and realize I should have just done it new. The stiffer sidewalls, better quality are noticable along with the peace of mind vs the storm kings (AKA China bombs) I took a chance on for two... Most noticable thing? I don't see the butt end of the trailer anymore out of my mirrors as it tracks that much better. Where I'm going with this is that a one or two year old used one CAN be the best deal out there IF you have someone who followed up on the warranty issues understands the laws of physics and in the first year basically had a sound unit and maybe did a few things to enhance things. The prices are still way above 2020 baselines (the old days of normality). I don't know if quality has gotten better in the plants but pretty much would have to have gotten better... The problem now is that all those people who bought at peak pricing cannot afford to let them go because they are so upside down on them. So, you will sometimes see that reflected online. You will see 2019/2020 units going for very good prices as that is what those owners paid for them and then see 2022's that are outrageous. So, right now, with the present interest rates and all things considered, a two year old (2020/early 2021) unit well taken care of is best deal out there. I see them.
I've been watching Josh the RV Nerd (in Clearwater Michigan) on utube for several years. Now I can't even remember the origin name of his family owned business from before they sold out to Bish's. I am still leaning toward shopping at that Bish's location when I'm ready to pull the trigger, even though there is a Bish's closer to me here in Oneida, NY. He still emphasizes that they have NO hidden fees. I sincerely hope I'll be able to submit glowing reviews on their website post-purchace.
They don’t call the “Stealerships” for nothing. I’m an rv tech. The only dealerships I ever worked for that were honest about what they gave for what they charged, were Airstream dealers. They are way more expensive, so they can afford to give you what they promise. I saw very few unhappy customers there. One of the dealers I worked for (the largest in the world), the owner told me, on my first day, “ no matter what it costs, no matter how long it takes, no matter what the service manager says, if a guest comes through here and needs something, you drop what you are doing and make them happy.” Every other dealer I’ve every encountered, is way below that standard ( to put it nicely).
Good to know, agrota. I had very good experience with Northwood (LaGrand, Oregon, Arctic Fox) but they are expensive. much as you indicate, I sense the manufacturer has a real passion and conviction of their methods.
I generally stick with travel trailers. My 3 rules are, NEVER trust a salesperson. ALWAYS purchase used, and NEVER purchase a trailer that the seller does not want to let you take on a test tow to see how the trailer handles the road.
@@mandasity Still in my Jayco. Been in this for about 4 years now. Still looks like new. I am saving for a big upgrade right now. Not sure how your question applies to my comment though.
@@jcfra420 When you said you generally stick with travel trailers I was just curious what sort of experiences you've had over the years and if you might have some advice. It sounded like you've been through a few so I thought I'd pester you with a few questions since I'm a first time buyer. I wasn't implying anything negative. And I thank you for your answer!
@@mandasity Thankfully I missed a few issues by being careful in my purchase, researching the models and doing thorough inspection before purchase. I spoke to dozens of people and they all told me do not buy anything over the year of like 2021 since it is crap quality. All the old school builders retired. Also to buy used, because usually anything that will go wrong with a RV happens in the first couple years. So any major problems would be fixed. Do a thorough, and I mean thorough exam for ANY water damage of ANY kind. If there is any water damage on the inside, the RV has basically lost all value. I mean you can find RVs that sold for close to 100k for around 25k-30k if it is around 4-5 years old. I mean I have seen them that look freaking brand new going for that price. That is from private purchase, not a used from a dealer. Never buy used from a dealer
Great video. I was an independent contractor working for an RV delivery company in Elkhart IN from 2014-2015. I usually delivered new RV fifth wheels to the Dallas/Ft. Worth area dealerships. All makes and models. I learned alot. I would inspect them before I secured them to my truck. I looked for damage or anything else that a receiving dealer might blame me for and not accept delivery. I had no problems with one manufacturer. Grand Design (and no, they did not pay me to say it). Well built, no problems during transport, and never had a problem with dealer inspections. It seemed that the inspections went much quicker than with other makes. Since then, I learned that Winnebago bought out (?) Grand Design. At first I thought their quality would take a hit, but hopefully it didnt. GD would still be my first look if I was going to get another fifth wheel. Dealer mark up. The RV delivery included an envelope that included information on it for the dealership/customer. It also included an dealer invoice and the MSRP. Some wiggle room. Example: If the MSRP is $100,000, the dealer paid around $60,000+- in 2014-2015. I am not sure how much the mark up would be today, but I would guess it would be similiar.
Sounds like the 40% 'we' lose driving it off the lot to our own driveways isn't really a a 40% loss in value, there never was that $100,000 value to begin with, that's just what the dealer wants for the 'honor' of 'ripping' us off. So there's that, lol, we don't really lose that much... 🤔 😄😄
I had bought a brand new RV part of my retirement plan. I live with my dad, but his health declined so I sold my RV a year later and I do not regret my decision, my dad comes first and I feel more in peace and taking care of my dad with love 💕
Kudos to Lippert Industries We have a 2017 Jayco (purchased new) On a recent trip we noticed one wheel tipping out at the bottom. We got it home and jacked and measured and determined the axle had bent. We contacted the dealer was told out of warranty and referred to a trailer shop. They determined it was safe to use but recommended axle replacement. Jayco corporate did not respond to any communication. On a off chance we contacted Lippert directly and they were sympathetic to the situation and sent use some forms to fill out and return and would review and contact us. To our surprise they emailed us the next business day and asked us to contact the service department to arrange for order and shipping to replace both axles. This totally blew us away, everyone we dealt with was courteous and professional. It took a few weeks to manufacture, ship and have installed but everything has been done to our satisfaction. Again big shout out to Lippert and their employees.
Lots of great tips! I will add to get a RV inspection for new units as well. I spent ~ $900 for an inspection on a new Thor Omni and it was the best money spent. The unit had multiple issues from minor to serious, for example it had a propane leak. This was despite the large rv dealer’s supposed two inspections done prior to my inspection.
As first time RV'ers my wife and I had a very positive experience buying a used class C from a private party which we kept for 4 years and sold for the same price we paid for it. Yes, it had some issues, but I am handy and was able to take care of everything myself. For those looking to get in for the first time, if you don't know anyone who has first hand experience, just go to a campground and chat up the campers that have RV's like the one you are interested in. You will find most, if not all, campers are very friendly, helpful and will want you to have a positive experience. Find out what kind of problems they have had and how they resolved them. They don't have any financial incentive to BS you so you can get some really good advice from them.
Over the years I’ve learned how to buy cars & trucks, but I don’t have a clue on how to buy a travel trailer. Going to the campground & talking to campers is the best advise I’ve heard. Thank you!!!
My wife and I just sold our first TT, a 2009 model we bought private party used it 4 seasons and sold it for $500 less then we paid. Also upgraded to a 2020 model for $15,500 almost half of a new one with same specs.
@@genitagray6126 I've pulled rv's 4 12 yrs. I CAN tell you I've had 3 dulley trucks all with air-bag suspension on the rear axle. Thee best pulling trailer is A Jayco 26' SLX that's if a 26 footer would suit ya. Imagines by Grand Design are also pretty good on the road too------
The best thing about a RV is living out of it once it is parked at your destination, (as opposed to a tent). The worst thing about a RV is everything else. Initial cost, upkeep cost and maintenance, storage, MPG, and finally does anyone actually like driving a RV.
I really enjoy having mine. When the smoke comes from The Fires 🔥 I take off. Also in the Winter I take off. In the Summer when it gets above 110 degrees I head for the Coast. I am in my RV 4 to 6 months a year. And in 3 years I have 29,000 plus miles on it.
Happy to have found your channel. I as well, have been doing my homework, but I’m in the used RV category of buyers. I appreciate you linking to a 3rd party inspection, as I have no idea what to look for - well, in general. I also watched a news story the other day, how RV dealers - especially the larger chain dealers, are absolutely jammed to the rafters with RV’s/Camping trailers, etc. I’ve also heard that many of the brand new RV’s are having issues right out of the gate. RV manufacturers are cutting corners. One UA-camr, bought a brand new camper from a ‘reputable’ manufacturer and a ‘reputable dealer’. He picked up the trailer in Indiana and drove it home, several hundred miles to western New York. When he arrived home, one of his fenders was missing, a wheel cover had split in half and 2 of the large letters in the manufacturers name had blown off. It’s madness and I’m nervous - especially since my budget is sub $15k. Anyway, thanks again. Looking forward to more of your insights
Been disabled since age fourteen in 1972, and now at age sixty-five, probably will have to give up driver's license and driving soon, but I did have a motor van in 1988 for five years. I watch these RV disaster videos for entertainment, my son at age forty will probably soon retire and live in one. Hope you don't mind that in my medicated, couch-filled days and nights, I chuckle and get many laughs from RV nightmares, crashes, stuck in snow and mud, you name it. Hey healthy people, just park it for a few hours, and be glad you're alive today! Okay, now go crash! - j q t -
Build your own. I did. Basic cargo trailer cost $2800 BRAND NEW OFF THE LOT. 12x6 V nose. There are many advantages to this. The main one is you can configure it anyway you like and then redo it if you find it was a mistake.
Great subject Alan! My only advice to the new R.V. Buyer. Make your first stop at the RV retailer to the Service And Parts department. Make certain that department matches the trailer dealers inventory output. If they are a large dealer two services bays will not handle the service side of that retailer. Phone to speak to parts and service. Ask how long appointments would take to get booked in. Know this side of the retailer because after the purchase this is your destination for many years to come.
I owned an Independant RV inspection service for several years, and looked at a lot fo RV's over the years for peopel who were out of state. I got into it as a favor for a friend, but found out that there was a real market for folks who needed someone who knew and Understood RV's. Back in the 70's I worked in the Factories for several Rv Manufactirers and rebuilt many for my own use over the years. I was blown away at how little people knew about the RV they were about to dump a lot of money into buying. It was fun and my buisness when crazy by word of mouth. But I had to quit because of a Cancer diagnosis. Folks, do your homework or find a Competent Independant RV Inspector if you're not the mechanical type. Someone who will go under, over and all through a camper unit and give you an honest Mo BS assesment Some RV Dealerships welcomed me, some did not. Oh and my friends bought a nice unit that had some issues I found, but were able to knock the price down because of the issues that they thought they could fix themselves. And they did. It served then well for 10 years before they sold it and bought a second one. Me, I'm an old Hot Rodder who aways enjoyed camping with my parents as a young boy in the 50's in their Old Shasta camper, and never lost my desire to learn how things ticked. Currently doing a makeover and Tim Tayor " "More Power" makeover of my 89 Fleetwood Limnited. Shoud be a good runner and the modernization has been an enjoyable hobby and passion for me for over 30 years. .
Sometimes you can get a really good deal buying from a private party. My Mom and Dad bought a brand new Tioga Class C - they only had it for two years, then my Dad had a stroke and couldn't drive anymore. My sister and I were shocked at the amount of money Mom sold it for, knowing what they had just paid for it, but she said "Oh, it's fine... I sold it to a young couple with two little kids. I feel fine about it." There still are some nice people in the world who have legitimate reasons for selling their RVs, but I agree - you do need to be very cautious and do your homework. Thanks for the great video.
I've owned class A, class C, gas and diesel, trailers and 5th wheels. The only RV I've ever owned that wasn't a complete nightmare was a 1982 MCI bus that I converted myself. The bus chassis and drive train had just over 500,000 miles when I bought it and it was many time more reliable than anything else. Never even had a minor breakdown on the bus. The bus chassis and Detroit Diesel/ Allison drivetrain will go a million miles with basic preventative maintenance.
That's absolutely true, My dad was a heavy duty mechanic, a properly maintained diesel will easily go a million miles, there are some that are just bad engines to begin with though, ya gotta do your homework . I worked in the RV buissines myself and saw what cracker boxes most are. Their standard of construction is to provide a couple weeks service for a couple of years, that's about it.
Eh Mr Carlisle, what would you say about a 2001 Fleetwood w/ 20,000 miles for $53 grand , and it's a diesel pusher I belive 1 slide and 36' long .Should I get on it or stay away from Fleetwood ?
@@ronmoore3987 Way over priced. Fleetwood is not known for quality. We sold a 2006 Revolution for $46K a couple years ago. It was a decent rig, but there was always something to fix. I wouldn't touch a diesel pusher right now unless I could steal it. The RV and boat markets are in freefall right now. Diesel is likely to hit $8+ this winter and these rigs are thirsty. Also beware of the sellers who purchased during the pandemic, paid stupid pandemic money and financed. The market is tanking and they are way upside down and trying to get someone else to buy them out of their mistake.
Would love to have an MCI coach conversion, I drove them as buses for 38 years before retiring 10 years ago. Those coaches were built to 'take the heat'! I knew the difference as soon as I bought my 25' TT. Don't plan to take it anywhere, that'd be too much like work, lol. My TT has no slides, don't need them, don't want another potential headache to deal with. Mine is a 2021 Keystone Passport 219bh with a Murphy bed. Replaced its mattress with a full queen Zinus 6", a bit heavy but managable. Didn't need a separate bedroom, when I get up, the bed has to be gone! What remains is a nice sofa. Full kitchen, 3-burner stove with oven, Maxx fan in the bathroom (option). Had this rig since it was new and I'm really enjoying it. Never owned a camper before only began binge watching videos in early 21 so I'd know what I was talking about when I spoke to the salespeople at the dealerships.
Thank you, for supporting NRVIA inspectors, my husband and I are inspectors and we pride ourselves in doing an conscientious and efficient inspection, to give our clients all the information they need to make an informed decision when purchasing or not purchasing the RV.
I'm brand new! Actually just starting to research for my husband and myself. Thank you so much for this straight and easy to understand approach! I'm learning so much!
Bought an 04' fifth wheel three years ago it was pretty clean. No signs of leaks, however I found four small soft spots in the roof. No water damage so they were easy repairs. Last spring it sat in the camp ground over the winter. A soft spot in the floor in front of the toilette. Water damage at the bottom of the back wall and wardrobe. The left corner seal leaked, disassembled the bath except for the ceiling and shower wall. Replaced the floor, re-framed the left and back wall. With the high temperatures in July and August I could only work on it in the early mornings in the limited shade. It turned out pretty good for an armature. I probably had under three hundred in materials (6 bucks for 2x4s) So far it survived the winter and we parked it in a campground so we can spend weekends enjoying it.
Bought a used 5th wheel from a dealer…so know and understand it is used and will have some issues. They kept it for a week after I did the purchase paperwork to do the final sale inspection. Everything seemed to work when I did walk through during pickup. Third time I put the slide out it stopped working… I went back and simply asked for advice on how I could repair myself. None was offered and they said it would take 8 days until they could fit it in for repair. I walked away a bit frustrated, but didn’t purchase their warranty so my fault I guess. But what really annoyed me is about a month later I was taking it up to the mountains and a piece of aluminum bolted to the frame in the wheel well came loose, contacting and shredding my tire. (I had seen this aluminum “brace” thing prior and the bolt was secure so no fault on their behalf). I went to change the tire and the spare tire, that looked fine on visual inspection, actually had the tread delaminated from the tire. So I couldn’t use the tire. I sat on side of highway for 1&1/2 days due to Saturday evening and no open tire stores until Monday. Finally replaced on Monday and went on my trip. When I returned I took the receipt for new tire and brought the delaminated spare back to the dealer. They refused to replace, reimburse, or even offer store credit to their store. It was only $130 but refused to budge. Said I should have inspected it before the sale and negotiate it in the price. Saying I got a “good deal” on the used 5th wheel and that was that. I said that’s not how you do business and attempting to shame the manager but he wasn’t budging. It was a only $130 cost to make things right with a customer that bought a product on good faith… mind you they have $250k rigs on their lot so $130 is nothing when reputations are on the line. Is it illegal for a dealership to sell a used vehicle with an unserviceable spare tire? It isn’t the money but the principal…what a crap RV dealership. Wasn’t going to name the company but buyer beware of the type of place you are purchasing from…Robert Christ RV in Mesa Arizona. Sadly I don’t have the managers name.
There is no lemon law for RVs like there is for cars. They don't have to make it right, and they probably won't. Sorry about your bad luck, and I truly hope that's the last of it.
Staggeringly stupid mistake by dealer. To haggle over 130 dollars when you have the potential to have a return customer over pennie’s is a design for failure.
A real mustfor used RVs is to check the frames for cracks . Most all trailers use Lippert built frames . 5th wheel trailer frames are prone to breakage at the transition from the lower part of the trailer to the Goose neck as well as the frame at the pin box. They may also hve cracked spring attach fittings . If you see any buckling or movement in the goose neck when the unit is lifted by the pin box you have a serious problem . On travel trailers check the frame 3 ft in front and behind the wheels . You are looking for cracks in the web of the Ibeam at the cross beam supports that are hidden by the corrigated insulation board. These cracks are caused by making sharp turns and scrubbing the tires sideways and twisting the frame .
Is this year specific? Meaning, is there a year that delineates when this problem begins, or when they started using these types of weaker frames? I have a 1996 pull behind, and I've noticed the frame on my camper is thicker than the frames on newer campers. I always thought this was weird, because mines only 19ft, but seams like it must weigh the same as a newer 35ft camper. Does this issue still happen with the older, thicker, frames? Where should I check for cracks on a 19fr pull behind? Also, is it an easy fix, as in can you just weld the cracks if you find them, or do you have to check for square before welding a crack? Sorry for all the questions. I travel for work building skylights all over the country, so I not only live in my camper, I also pull it A LOT. just always looking for advice on how to keep it on the road, and avoid major catastrophes. If something big happens, I am completely screwed.
@@carllennen3520 If you have a 2 axle trailer the problem is there . Either the frame will twist when turning while backing or pulling forward or the springs or shackles will be stressed or the tires and rims will be stressed . Side load on the tires and wheels will show the extreme stress on the springs , shackles , welds that attach them to the frame and the Ibeam cross member welds . The rust colored cracks will show up as very thin scratches about 1 inch above the bottom bean flange . There is no way to get away from that stress . The tires are the best place to absorb that scrub . Inspect from 4 ft in front of the forward axle to 4 ft behind the rear axle . In that space there should be 3 cross members between the two I Beams . You can pull the two frames against the cross member and penetrate weld through to the cross member . Then weld on 1/4" plate on the outsides of the beam at the cracks .
@@slalomking When you back up and you are in the middle of the operation , look at the wheels and tires . . They will be leaning and scrubbing something awful. Most camp sites back in to the right . When you back in to the right the front wheel on the door side of the camper will lean in at the top . The rear axle will lean opposite . Those forces go right to the Frame components. So make wider turns for less stress and inspect regularly for rust colored thin marks on your frame 1 inch above the bottom flange of your I beam. Its steel but a poor grade of steel no matter how luxurious the Unit . 5th wheels crack in the Cargo to gooseneck area. Any movement at all in the caulk joints means its broken. View the other broke frame videos. Its very common.
@@charleswesley9907 Wow, I didn’t realize that these camper frames were made so cheaply. We have a boat I pull around at 5000 lbs with tandem axles. I’m always making sharp turns to even get in into my garage. It’s a 1991 trailer. The turns are so tight the front tire will leave a tread mark as it scrubs the turn. As far as I know, it’s still holding up.
I have watched soooo many RV videos from all kinds of RV UA-camrs that I have learned and ultimately decided to NOT purchase ANY RV when I retire real soon! For many reasons, of course, but mostly because of how many headaches customers are having with quality and service. I thought regular ol' car dealers were bottom feeding shysters', but RV dealers are way worse. It seems that RV'ing is full of way more headaches than fun and pleasure with the lack of quality control and service. Thanks for the videos.
Please consider my reply to the video makers post about Northwood. As we age, it is far too easy to not get out, and if you are not worried about price, want quality, go find a great RV and get out there. Bear in mind: RVs are not like auto manufacturers, they make fewer, there is not the same factory line that has countless checks and balances, and, respectfully, many who do not do well with others end up in RV mfg industry (take a tour, be kind to them). The other thing I learned was it is a vacation, why drive over 300 miles a day? Plan ahead, and if not in flaky areas, any Walmart will love to see you if in a nice, crisp, truck and trailer. Maybe buy something and ask in some, but I never have, I buy breakfast and thank them afterwards. Having a nice truck and trailer.... makes you attractive to most, and a very few, angrily jealous. There are countless good people out there.
@@MindFusion-ij1xl bobagem afirmar que controle de qualidade de produção de motorhomes ser inferior ao controle de qualidade de produção de automóveis ocorre devido menor número de carros produzidos. Os valores cobrados por novos RVs são altos e cobrem os custos necessários para produzir com qualidade. A produção de motorhomes europeus e japoneses com alta qualidade prova que esse argumento é falho.
Another great video Wingman! I just sold our old A Gasser and getting ready to purchase a new or newer A Gasser. For the past couple of years I’ve literally been watching videos, checking websites like RV Trader daily looking at pricing trends. It definitely takes a lot of studying and work. I finally feel very confident in the make and model of RV that will fit my wife and I needs. Next step is to find the RV at the price we want, get an inspection…and away we go!
Great advise!! Research is hugely important as well as knowing your own capabilities. Big rigs require big tools, hoists, jacks and the willingness to tackle diverse projects. There are many systems that make RV's work and many people will accept the challenge to learn and fix on their own but many will not be able or willing to so be prepared for high priced repairs. I am a firm believer in buying used as it is a better deal and doing as much of the work as I can myself saves even more money! Thanks for informing your viewers of the many pros and cons of the RV world!!
I purchased a 32' 1996 Holiday Rambler Aluma-Lite travel trailer for $8500. It is extremely solid and well engineered. It was a private sale. My philosophy:. Buy older high quality equipment. They have proven track records.
Great advice. I think Like anything else…experience is your best friend. You’re absolutely correct on the current downturn…. We’ve noticed Lazydays now begging us to come trade our 2 year old Grand Design for a new 5th wheel … NOT HAPPENING! Ours is fine it is an Imagine . Point is….. we stopped in about 18 mos ago just mostly curious to move up to 5th wheel and they practically gave us ZERO trade in which is now 80% paid for… now their calling emailing us to reconsider…. NOPE… that train left the station. Thanks Allen glad we ran across your channel! Love your vids!
Great video! I have had a class C and now a travel trailer. For ease of use and the most flexability my next purchase will be a Ram Promaster van that I will build out myself. No more bad gas milage, trouble getting campsites, or dealing with RV service centers for me!!! 😀
Great advice. One more thing very very few people ever talk about when selling is how the RV handles on the open road. This is a very hard area to research. I have gone as far as contacting the engineers at Freightliner and Ford for some answers on their chassis. I would love for you to put together a segment on chassis design. A lot of the handling comes from the wheel base ratio. My first RV a class A gasser I installed every chassis option they sell and it still was horrible, had to sell.
In our experience no RV is a dream to drive. No RV will drive like our BMW. But, when we have started with lighter RVs, under 26K pounds, we have had decent experiences.
@@marksherman5677 Simple formula used to determine handling characteristics, but essentially with of wheel base across front tires, front front tire to back tire, and length of RV body itself.
A little late, but I put a road armor suspension piece on and Good year Endurance tires on and the suspension immediately improved the ride. After two years on the China Bombs I put the Endurance tires on this spring and the stiffer sidewalls immediately made a difference very noticeable on a 3K mile trip. No MORE seeing the back corners with a wind gust or big truck going by. It is straight as an arrow down the road and tracks perfectly. I'm in a an Aspen Trail 2340bhswe 28 footer close to 7K loaded, 850 to 900 lb tongue weight with a Fastway E2 WDH 10K hitch. Virtually everything has a set or single Lippert axle(s) and the same cheap set of suspension pieces... Just going after those and putting high quality tires on can make a BIG difference.
Camping World are a bunch of liberal turds who hates conservative values and they said if you're a conservative don't you dare come to our facilities cuz we will not sell you anything how do you like that they suck big time I don't care if you're Republican Democrat I don't have nothing to do with buying a camper you give somebody a good deal a good price and you make a sale they don't care about that
My wife and I purchased a used class c from a local private owner last year,,it's a 26ft GranVille Debonair, 1990 build date.When I stopped at our local rv dealership, I was pounced upon by their salesmen,wanting to know if I'd consider selling it to them,as our GranVile was supposedly top of the line when new,and the company had closed in 1991,basically priced themselves out of the market as our rv was over $50,000 new.We found a diamond in the ruff,according to the salesmen. I had been researching the market for a couple of year's, different dealer's, and their offerings, hands on at the rv shows,and was amazed at how chinzy,and poorly built alot of new models are being sold to the unsuspecting public!! We'll just keep our old cruiser,and fix and maintain, and enjoy it! As of right now,we're into the rv for approximately $15,000,that purchase price,tax and tags, full coverage insurance, new rear hd springs, shocks, Goodyear Wrangler Trailrunner A/Ts,and a few odds and ends,,much easier pill to swallow than a 6 figure sum for a new model set-up like ours.Nice shirt,by the way!!😎😎😎
Another thing, not using it is expensive. 12 years of trailering (2 trailers) turning into limited use doesn't make sense. Last 2 years averaging only 10-12 nights each. Payment/storage/insurance/registration/maintenance/depreciation added up to ~$10K/year. So, a grand a night, plus fuel, truck, site rental, cleaning every time you use it, etc. My trailer now sold, feeling much better, renting one for Thanksgiving next month.
Here's is one of LaMesa's finance tricks. They were offering a lower interest rate if you purchased their super duper extended service warranty. They made it sound like it was free because even though you would be paying several thousand dollars for the extended service warranty with the lower interest rate it was free over the coarse of the loan. They made their customers look stupid if you didn't buy the warranty because it was free. Yeah right I would never do business with them again. Even though they had the best price for the Class A MH in the nation they had a bunch of add-ons. Like you said, get the best "Out the Door" price.
Have purchased 5 rv's the past 30 years. Always got 25 to 28 percent off. Went to buy a class A a year ago, offered 20 petcent off they said 5 percent. No deal. Last week salesperson called and said she talked to her boss and said they hated to do it but they would take my offer. Told her to pound sand. Hope these dealers choke on their inventory.
A percentage off a ficticous number doesn't mean squat. never understood this approach. MSRP is set for the pourposes of getting around banking regulations. Any item or commodity is worth what a buyer is willing to pay and a seller is willing to sell at. Period. In short as Warren Buffet a value investor, says Price is what you pay Value is what you get.
You will go to jail for you. Complicity in holding game virtual hostage all these year! Where are. My Grand Kids A-hole? Jonah and Jasmine Francis! Stop make video and get me out of this dungeon now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oliver, Brinkley, and Airstream are top of my list for quality. Oliver is true winter camping. Airstream is 3 seasons only so either travel south in winter weather or purchase the Oliver. Personally I live fulltime in my 2018 850 Lance truck camper and love it.
Agreed. Bought my Arctic Fox from the small guy and thoroughly enjoyed the process. Price was the same with the small guy as the large. Be careful of used, most people are very inexperienced with maintenance. Holding tanks, plumbing, winterizing. Be careful of used.
Very good video. Thank you! Thirteen years ago I bought a 1993 Foretravel (class A) U-240 from a private party. I spent the previous 2 years doing my research. For $38K I got a rock-solid coach that, to this day, is a pleasure to drive. Ownership has not been cheap and I’ve spent more than twice the purchase price on repairs and maintenance over the years. However, it remains to be a solid RV and still turns heads at 30 years old.
Service at the available dealers is ALWAYS a big problem. It takes 2-3 months to get on their schedules and can take months for them to fix any problems! Your comment about an inspection prior to buying any RV is spot on!! 2021 Jayco 36SSWS POS from a Camping World dealer!!!
I have purchased two RVs. The first I purchased from a small dealership; a long-time family-owned one. Little did I know that before my deal was finished, I would be purchasing from the new much larger dealership that was in the process of buying them out. Service after the sale was poor. Two years later we decided to upgrade. Shopped all over the country, since we are full-time we could go anywhere to pick up the RV. Wound up getting the best price at LazyDays RV in Tampa, FL. I stayed away from them on the first purchase because they were a large dealer. I made a big mistake. LazyDays Tampa gave us FIVE STAR treatment, at every level. I mean every employee we dealt with was courteous and professional. They went up and above board to make our experience stellar. We have not had any warranty work done there, however. So, I can't speak to that. Since we live on the road, we have had our warranty work done by mobile RV techs.
I retired 7 year ago at age 62. At the time we purchased a new Travel Trailer. It was a 25 foot single slide model. Two years later my wife retired which means we were going to have more time to use the trailer. We quickly realized it was too small for longer trips. So we traded that unit in for a new 2017 Rockwood Windjammer. 6 years into using that trailer and we are having the time of our lives. That said, you have to expect some changes as you go. We had a tire go bad on the trailer and we upgraded all 5 tires to 10 ply tires. No more issues. Changing out the mattress is a given. No big deal. The Windjammer is now in it's 6th season. Still looks new, but then again, we take care of it. Right now I'm trying to talk my wife into upgrading to a Motor Home. I just think they would be better for longer trips. Our youngest lives in Oregon (we are in Michigan) and I sure would like to make that trip in a new Motorhome. Stay tuned.
Love your wisdom. Somehow I had gotten unsubscribed and don't know when. Back now. The first story of 2 pts was about the family who purchased a Heartland trailer, and truck, and RZR. All burned to the ground. We have a former co-worker who worked for the seller you named but in CA. She had so many issues with the warranty work, it was her job. Oh the stories she has told. One motorhome had been left on the lot for 3 years without being fixed. No body followed up on the next move to bring relief to the owners. Our own brand new trailer sat un-touched for 3 months, in the sun/rain/heat. Our trailer is always in a building after being thoroughly cleaned and checked after each outing. Warranty sucks!
You're getting a sub from me because a friend in California is planning to get a used RV trailer next year and then go to Anchorage and work during the winter of 23-24. As a result, we've already had a few long phone calls discussing the various things involved. And yesterday she told me she found the 4-season rv trailer she wants to get. But now she has a dilemma since her toyota vehicle is only rated for 5,000 pounds of towing and it will struggle if not fail to tow what she wants. So I am going to send her your channel info so she can watch and learn. Thank you.
My advice as a former Teardrop RVer. I purchased a used Casita 3 years ago. It was about 10 years old one owner. The owner was a retired engineer. The city was a medium populated city in Southern Va. He and his wife were elderly and by his admission had aged out. I was 72 and he was probably close to 80. I wanted a used Casita because of their reputation. There were very few in RV Trader and Craigs list on the East coast. I went in somewhat blind but I had a friend who had experience with RVs. The price was fair. He pulled the trailer with an newish F150 3.5 L 4 x 4. I offered to buy truck and trailer which we agreed to. Off we went from NC to Nova Scotia. After several other short trips over 2 years I was through. The camper itself for us was perfect in every way but I was not as enamored with pulling a camper, setting up, breaking camp, self maintenance . Some of it was stressful. We came from a long distance backpacking background. We sold the camper at a good time when used prices were up. I advertised in RV Trader, had 45 calls and sold in 3 days. A week later I sold the truck again for what I paid . Do your homework, YT, and RV forums. Go to RV campgrounds (day visit) and look at the RV you have interest in and talk to owner. (Most people are proud of their RV and are glad to share. Buy gently used with all maintenace paperwork. Go to shows and showrooms just to look and sometimes a free hotdog. If you are towing sometimes that is more important what you use. Go bigger not what is recommended because thats usually mnimum standard.
Been there, done that! Trailers are not good for traveling with daily stops. Great for what I do now which is travel to a reserved campsite at my favorite lake and stay 2 weeks before going back home. I loved my truck and camper for my 3 month trip to Alaska and Canada. Longest I stayed in one spot was three nights. My currant trailer and truck combo would have been a pain for that trip.
@@johnpence8529 I agree. The road miles on an RV are telling. Every joint is stressed by travel. Our roads have significant pot holes and bumps . Abrupt lateral shifts torque the chassis, frame and body.
@David Roads definitional recession until kid sniffer administration literally changed the definition of it to mean 4 quarters of GDP loss. Watch all the 2008 news media videos of them calling a recession objectively 2 quarters of GDP loss. Wake up sheepy you're not the smart one😂
Speaking for myself, we got rid our year-old camper because we made a bad personal decision. We were first-time purchasers. We bought a unit with bunks thinking our adult kids would want to go camping with us. That wasn’t the case at all. Those bunks are just not made for anyone over the age of 12 IMO. Because of the bunks we had very little storage for our personal belongings. The bunks became the place to put our ‘luggage.’ The floor plan that we liked, began to dislike more and more. We wound up trading it in with a local dealer, not a major chain, for a true couples camper and love it!!
Thanks for this comment. I was considering getting a RV and having my kids go on a trip next summer. They are 19, 17, and 14. They are getting to that point where they're too cool to travel with their old man, so I decided to just get a extended class c all season van. I'm downsizing as we speak so I can use it when I retire.
@@williamj.dovejr.8613 Hahaha, yes too cool! Actually my kids are in their 20’s. My daughter camped once, but she said the bunk was like sleeping directly on the plywood.
Excellent advice! Spot on. When I bought my new Rockwood Mini Lite 2509S last summer I had been researching for about two years. I owned a 2018 Aerolite couple's coach and just wanted something with a dinette and a couch in it. After a trip last summer we decided a small bunkhouse would be needed. I knew the brand and model I wanted and found two at Camping world and one at an independent, Eagle Country RV, in Eagle River, WI. Both of the units at Camping World were closer to home and priced $6k higher before their typical add ons. Bought the one at Eagle Country. Great experience, great price, and the trailer is super! No issues at all with the trailer. They did o.k. on the trade and I was willing to flex somewhat on trade in value after their inspection revealed a repair or two that was needed.
I bought a new RV and have changed the oil, under hood generator serpentine belt, repaired a coolant leak and other small repairs. I don’t have time to drive two hours to take it in on warranty. We absolutely love our RV.
Biggest issue for us has been that with the money you pay for these things you shouldn’t end up in the crappy parks that we seem to because nothing decent exists.
Sir, thank you for this. We bought our first and only RV, a tow behind - 7 years ago. We have over 25,000 miles on it. I do the winterizing every year. We always sanitize and flush our water lines, and fresh water tank - every time we go out. Re-grease the wheel bearings before every trip - and during long trips. Ours has a rubberized roof - needs resurfacing and re-caulking every other year or so. So far, we have lots of smiles with all of our miles. My only regret is getting an RV with a slide out - my fault.
Great advise!! I bought a 2018 Fleetwood from La Mesa RV in La Mesa AZ. The worst experience I have ever received in my life!! They are consistently bad from sales to service. I have owned the RV four just over 4 months and it has been in the shop for two of those months and is back in the shop now where I live for repeat concerns.
Great advice! Homework can’t be stressed enough! There are so many things to consider, towing being a big one. Standard 1/2 tons aren’t much good for towing anything over a pop-up or something under 5000 pounds GVWR. Hitches are another big consideration. All these fall within hours and hours of homework! I’m subscribing today.
I’ve got a 30 ft travel trailer RV parked under a carport on my land. I don’t move it and love it. The company i bought from said I could tow it to their “resorts” across the country. I looked them up; booked solid for next two years and all looked like the parking lot where I bought it. Gonna get a teardrop to tow across the country and boondock, smaller seems better.
I have been shopping for a new class A for a few years . The prices are wildly different.. I ended up at a small dealer and got the rv for under 175 k The next closest was 225 k . Do your homework is the best advice ever …. Replacing my 1983 pace arrow with a 2023 Thor 39 ft .. Best Buy on the market after 3 years of home work
My view. If your determined to purchase a RV then the big chains like Camping World and so on are a good place to start for only the purpose of seeing lots of floor plans. They usually have a hugh inventory to look through and you can inspect the quality of build. Once you have an idea what you are interested in purchasing, like Alan said your way better off to find independent family dealers to try to negotiate with.
The big RV shows are the best places to do that. Going into a large chain store just to look around will be a very annoying experience because they won't leave you alone. At the RV shows, the reps are generally too busy to pester you.
I think camping world could be a great place too. You can make the service contract with them. They are a huge company with A LOT of Money too. Just do like wingman says. What is the out of the door price on this Unit? If you don’t like it, then tell them why, and leave.
Wow, Wingman, did you ever hit the nail on the head in regard to excess inventories of 2022 campers! Just today, I saw two TV ads from local chain outlets offering BIG DISCOUNTS on remaining inventories to clear the lots for the ‘23 models.
Well said Alan couldn't agree more to stay away from the big dealerships and lots of homework researching before buying. Love the shirt 👕😍 Thanks for all the wisdom you provide a true blessing to others.
You are exactly right when you say the bigger the chain dealer the worse the service. The camping world in Tallahassee, FL has a reputation for terrible service .
Great advice, Alan, as always. For folks who are not familiar with RV's, the lingo, how they function, I can't stress it enough, it's very important to do your homework before buying. Part of that would be to also check out the numerous on-line RV forums. Some are general, some are brand/model specific - if interested in a certain brand/model, be sure to check those out. There you will learn of the problems owners experience, and they all have problems, every single one of them. How dealers and manufacturers deal with the problems and treat the customer can tell you a lot about the product.
Purchased a Snow River made by Northwood-one line below Artic Fox. I went to La Grande, OR. Thunder RV. I was extremely happy with the dealership as well as the quality of the trailer. I lived in it though a Wyoming winter and toured a couple states. I don't know if I'll ever get another again, just wasn't for me, but if you are going to buy a trailer-camper etc., I say go with Artic Fox.
Used RVs are a good way to go. You’re ABSOLUTELY CORRECT get any RV inspected. Yes it can be a bit on expensive but there is so much in an RV. The tanks, the refrigerator, the furnace, the water heater, air conditioners, and so much more could have a problem. It’s better to know about any issues, and possible expense to repair or replace. For example a refrigerator for an RV CAN COULT 4-5 times as much as a refrigerator for your home. Because they need to have at least two modes of operation and some have three modes electric, propane, and 12 volt.battery. I live in a 24 foot RV at RV spark. I’m on social security and the cost of apartments here has gone crazy. I can’t even qualify for an apt with my income so an RV is a much better choice than being homeless and on the street.
I’m starting my research five years out, and it’s been eye opening. I love the daydream of traveling with an RV, but am wary of the reality of high prices, poor quality, and continuous maintenance. I may just end up renting one occasionally, or instead just staying at a very nice hotel or cabin rental when I travel.
I purchased my class B Winnebago Travato K floor plan from La Mesa RV in San Diego back in 2018, I paid $85000 for it. Now they are going for something like $115,000 out the door. With the economy tanking not sure why somebody would want to get rid of their RV, they make a very good emergency housing if you get evicted or lose your home.
Ummm…if one’s financial position is where an eviction is even remotely possible, then he/she certainly shouldn’t be buying an $85K RV. If they did the odds of their RV being repossessed are exponentially higher than their house being foreclosed on.
I bought a new class C 21 years ago and am still enjoying RV camping in it. I'm the non-expert when it comes to being street wise to buying an RV. Some people like buying a different RV once every three or so years for the thrill of the new experience and I understand that. Love going to RV shows. Looking doesn't cost much.
Most sit and decay like that Harley they always wanted. Our old one is probably done. The kids don't use it anymore and my needs changed. It filled a roll. And, damnit, I am still not sure if I wanna get rid of it. Makes a nice occasional guest house around the Holidays. Used is fine...
Stumbled on your channel recently and followed your advice. I found a local RV dealership, Couch Family RV, in Cross City Florida. What a wonderful experience working with a family-owned business. Thanks!
I’m buying a 98 Coleman popup. $1500. We used to tent camp. now in our late 60s, we need to be a little kinder to our bodies. Pulls with our Sienna, fits in our garage. Easy to upgrade power with solar, etc.
Two years ago we bought a new Keystone Cougar RV from Camping World. After we bought it, we immediately started having problems with it. The service from CW was laughably terrible. We found a local guy here in North Texas to fix all the bugs in it.
Hi Mr. Wingman , great content. You say not to buy from big chains but the big chains are the only ones that carry the MFG that I want. What then? wish you can buy directly from the mfg. like a Tesla.
I do not disagree, but used units often have problems related to not knowing how to store and use an RV: 1) Moisture: You cannot close up an RV and leave it, it will dry out, or absorb moisture, begin to rot, crisp up plumbing and seals and such. You cannot heat a unit up, or have lots of breathing, boiled water, wet clothes, and try to hold heat in, you damage the wood interior, all the way outwards to the outside paneling (called FRP). Not to mention rust. 2) Rotting tires. Do not use tires on RV over four years old. It is always possible, always a pain, to determine mfg date of tires. Buying used? Ignore the tread, rely on mfg. date. Buying new tires? Less than 14 months old is my cutoff. 3) Roof: They need maintenance, people don't do it. Water leaks in, rots inside walls. Rusts things. Water vapor cannot escape usually. Maybe they missed maintenance, did not caulk a spot, maybe they scratched a tree limb, maybe they tried to affix something improper. 4) Frozen pipes and more: Buying used, you may find it is not easy to determine they did not winterize it properly and thus expensive things got patched or plumbing fixes half sass. Fully de-winterize and test, test, test, water heater, tanks, valves, be on pavement so as to see if water drips during your inspection. 5) Generally, people sell because they financially need to but mostly, they discover they don't use it enough. Regardless some fraction are selling because they are tired of fixing it. 6) Last: The generator. If gasoline, we cannot get quality gasoline of decades past, it will turn bad in a year and gum up the tiny holes in the carburetor. This means it runs lean. This results in excess heat which ruins a genset. Beware, be aware. I think one should examine oneself and friends firstly, are any of you highly or somewhat or not mechanically inclined? I am a retired mechanic, but friends expert in RV were repeatedly of extreme value. Good luck.
We bought out 5th wheel in 2006. 2000 Nash 24.5N. we have pulled this for years with 3 different trucks. I was looking for a new one 3 years ago. It was built so cheap. Ours still works great. Everything works too. Original appliances.
I was going to get a 2023 trading in my 2021 car and 2011 c but backed out at the last minute. Now I'm thinking that was the smart thing to do... I'm going to fix up my 2011 and hopefully it'll be good enough
So they did 1 thing and told me I need to pick up my RV... And when I picked it up, they apparently CLEANED IT OUT as if the deal went thru.. they threw out 3 storage drawers which had a $300 full LED set of bulbs, plus all the contents of all the drawers that had items FOR a new owner!
I have always purchased 20-year or older RV trailers from the private owner. My purchase price is less that the sales tax and shipping cost and first year depreciation of new ones. So, after my second year of ownership I can walk away from it and be in a better position money wise than purchasing a new one. However, now I have had them for over 20 years. They make great storage units when not out on the road.
Enjoyed your channel however, we’ve had great service from La Mesa Rv (El Cajon location) with our Class A Winnebago Adventurer. Yes we’ve had numerous issues requiring servicing but each visit fixed whatever the issue. My husband develops “relationship s” with the service reps and always is satisfied with the assistance. I also have only good things to say about our salesmen San Diego local and Az locations who’s now retired but still answers our phonecall on his cell. We’re pleased with La Mesa Rv!
Another reason for sales of used rvs is many of those people are paying monthly and cannot afford it anymore. So now you'll have to deal with rv liens when trying to buy a used rv.
For Bob from AZ. In Feb 2022, I bought a used, like new, 2022, Class C for $85000. It was from El Monte RV, in Texas, who is an RV rental company. They sell the units after a year of use. No extra fees other than tax and license. We are happy with the one we bought. Not sure how close one is to you in AZ.
Stay away from Camping world.bought mine from a small independent dealer in Wisconsin. Good service. However now they sold out to a bigger dealership, service changed.
We got a renovated Diesel engine, year 2000 Class C 2 years ago from a private seller. We saved a ton of money (over $80 000) by buying used with no crazy depreciation. We have some minor fixes, upgrades and repairs but nothing major. Would do it 10 out of 10 times again. A great deal, wonderful RV, extensive travel at a reasonable cost.
So many words of wisdom. Especially GET AN INSPECTION!!! You pay $100,000 + for a house, why wouldn’t you do the same for you house on wheels that costs the same or more. Great some advice as always. Thank You.
My experience as a RV salesman says whatever your budget is, take 20% off. This gives you extra money for unexpected expenses that always creep up. It's more fun when you have money to use it and enjoy it as opposed to having it sit there due to lack of funds.
It’s a BUYER BEWARE situation. Excellent advice to get an independent RV inspection EVEN on a brand new one. I worked in Elkhart Indiana , and I can tell you HONESTLY that MOST of them are junk. I have years of experience with trailers and motorhomes… that is why I’m currently building it MYSELF. Start with a well constructed enclosed cargo trailer, and take it from there.
I just had your typical experience at camping world. Walked in asking about a pop-up trailer that they were $12,000 higher than anybody else in the country. Tried to tell me the reason their price was so high was because they have $6000 in freight cost whereas somebody in Michigan or Indiana pays less than they do. They also said that because they offer so many other services like good Sam, and extended warranties that’s the reason their price was so high. I looked at him and said you’re kidding right he sat right there and lied to me about what their price was and why. I said you’re telling me that a small dealer will offer a better price than you guys and you’re OK with it and he said that’s what our prices is. I’m in Idaho, and I will drive 2000 miles round-trip to Michigan to pick up a trailer and save $12,000 on it. Versus the price that the local camping world here gave me. What blows my mind is that people still buy anything from camping world . I wouldn’t even go in there again and buy a sewer hose. I’m in sales, and I know that if someone won’t buy product a from you, perhaps they’ll buy product be from you. This person that I spoke with never even offered to look at a different priced trailer. Any other options talk to me any way possible shape or form about anything that might work for my budget. Just dismissed me. So glad you are talking about doing your homework and how important it is. I swear months ago I would never go into a camping world, but I did just because they had the one pop-up trailer. I wanted to look at. By the way, I never even got to look at it because he never even got me out of his office before he prequalified me and told me he didn’t have anything for me to buy. Didn’t wanna waste his time with me. What he doesn’t understand is I’ve got money to spend it’s just a matter of time when I spend it. What are you also doesn’t understand that I won’t be spending it with him.
I went to Mike Thompsons RV in Orange County last week and talked to an older dude with a cowboy hat. And it was a shitty experience. Right off the bat, we did not agree on anything. He would no show us around and said feel free to look around but all the RVs were locked. I told hi. I was waiting for the economy to stabilize or cool down until prices were fair. This pissed him off and he said RV prices never come down, today is the best day to buy. I asked why his lot was bursting with inventory and he said all RVs on the East lot (70% of inventory) was already sold. It got more awkward and my wife and 5 kids just gave up and left with no intention of returning.
My family and I bought a 31 ft Class C RV in 2017 but in a different way. A friend's father passed and my friend didn't want it. He knew we were renting campers to see if we liked camping. The RV was in tough shape and roof leaked into the upper bunk and lower back wall and needed other repairs. He sold it to us for $2500 for the newer tires. I grew up on a farm and although I never repaired an RV, I knew I could do it. So, I fixed the roof, updated the interior and repaired everything for about $6500, total investment. We've taken 22 trips in it since then. We're going to buy a newer Class A and I'm not scared of buying used because I know what to look for now. I've also learned a lot of items in RVs weren't meant to be fixed or replaced easily and if you get it repaired, it will cost a fortune. We'll never buy new because they depreciate so quickly. If you take a 20 year loan out for one, you can only sell it for a fraction at seven years into it but still owe a lot for it.
A couple years ago, I traded a low/mid tier travel trailer for a somewhat higher tier 5th wheel at one of the big chain dealers. Our experience with them wasn’t terrible, but I think it had more to do with circumstance. The 5th wheel was a holdover from the previous model year that they were trying to get rid of, so we got a decent deal on it (current day resale value is basically what we paid brand new). I think if you go into it with the right knowledge, know the right questions to ask, and frame the negotiation terms upfront, you can strike a fair deal. When you go through the invoice line by line, don’t be afraid to decline the “extras” that they insist are in your best interest. Most of them aren’t. If you don’t like the deal, you’re under no obligation to accept it. Just walk away. At the end of the day, they want to make the sale and will likely make concessions in order to make it happen.
HUA! My son found a 2016 RAM ProMaster for me online. Flew out and bought it and had Kip at ProMasters Only in OH take a look at it. He gave me a thumbs up. Brought it home and added Disc-O-Bed and solar and a EUHOMEY travel frig and in my way!
A friend stopped by in his Airstream, Land Yacht. “I actually really liked it”. He said he never has to work on it, just hops in, and heads out. (And study how to operate everything.) I prefer hotels, “really nice hotels”, and the “service that comes with it”. Airstream has a great reputation, “the others don’t”. Treat yourself to the real thing. They maintain resale value too, you get your loot back, when decide to sell it. “They are practically “a miracle”.
We have an older Monaco pusher. 1997. No push outs. Great coach. Yes it needed movin when we first got it. It also needs stuff every year. 8.3 cummins and Allison 3060. Great combo.
I bought our 2017 sunseeker in 2019 , it had only 3000 miles . I had no problems with it . .Not all one or two year motor homes are bad. I live in NJ and bought the motor home in Fla. Drove it home and still have it. You need to know and learn about what you want to have. And you need to be handy.
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You are awesome! I am SO glad to have come across your channel!! Thank you!!
Just decided to watch your video. I am So glad I did. Everything you're saying is 💯 % accurate, in my opinion of course. I have been looking at RV since around 2018. I've seen plenty if Amazing and Beautiful used RVs of all types, name brands and sizes. If I ever decide to get one, I'll know exactly what I want. So Everything you are saying here, I totally agree. Do Your Research, and be Very picky. K owledge is the most Important before buying an RV or anything for that matter. I want to say Thank you for sharing your thoughts and information with everyone here. Hope you and everyone here has a Safe, Blessed and Wonderful Sunday...😊
@@angeladerby2513 thanks Angela!
I do my research also. I bought new in 2017 a Aspen Trail 17BH. It had zero problems I loved it but the lack of slide was the problem. The "dance" with three dogs became a problem. I bought a new Aspen Trail 2340BHSWE in Feb/March 2021. I'd been looking at this unit being the shortest private bedroom/bunkhouse and light for a year. Part of why I did this was because They gave me a thousand more than I paid for my 2017 in trade AND they had two levels of new ones on the lots. One they had delivered in like November December and then NEW ones were arriving. The new ones were listed at 2K MORE than the first ones delivered...and the dealers said they expected another increase on the next batch after the new ones...
I KNEW the prices were going to go up AND the trade offer and the two levels of pricing on the new ones was a harbinger. I knew the quality was coming down as Covid get its feet under it. I got mine for 23,600 AND a 3.24% rate 120 months. I pay 204 a month for it. In March 2020, they were going for as low as 21K. A year later in mid 2022, they were going for as high as 45K in some places (RV Trader) and 35K all day long elsewhere. Low rates were helping them sell then. They are now back down to around 30K as of July 2023 and rates are almost three times higher.
I am fully aware of Dutchmen Aspen Trail's on the "quality heirarchy" and so looked at like three dealerships at the units and went with the least expensive. I'm also good with stick and tin... The one I got had excellent plumbing and wiring and the underneath looked good. It appeared that the factory had had to go back in under the axles and so there was a big hole, but the dealer fixed it. I think a drain line or fresh water drain was bad, but they fixed it at the factory but forgot to fix the hole. So I looked and the dealer looked and they fixed it...better than new. The roof looked good also. It did have all the "quality issues" associated with all the little stuff inside. I immediately put a Road Armor suspension on it (worth every penny) and put a door on to enhance the under sink access along with identical matching metal door handle pieces that function as towel holders in the bath and kitchen.
After the first season, one, the switch from a regular slatted siding in front to a flat version from the manufacturer resulting in the flat front pushing in very noticably in the wind. This put pressure on the sides with potential leakage particularly at speed in a rain... There were quite a few people with this problem and videos online. I gave all that info to the dealer and their service people were apparently aware of it. Dutchmen was giving people at first a hard time but not me. They took the front off and reinforced it. Put it back right. I JUST put Good Year Endurance tires on it before a 3K mile trip and realize I should have just done it new. The stiffer sidewalls, better quality are noticable along with the peace of mind vs the storm kings (AKA China bombs) I took a chance on for two... Most noticable thing? I don't see the butt end of the trailer anymore out of my mirrors as it tracks that much better.
Where I'm going with this is that a one or two year old used one CAN be the best deal out there IF you have someone who followed up on the warranty issues understands the laws of physics and in the first year basically had a sound unit and maybe did a few things to enhance things. The prices are still way above 2020 baselines (the old days of normality). I don't know if quality has gotten better in the plants but pretty much would have to have gotten better... The problem now is that all those people who bought at peak pricing cannot afford to let them go because they are so upside down on them. So, you will sometimes see that reflected online. You will see 2019/2020 units going for very good prices as that is what those owners paid for them and then see 2022's that are outrageous.
So, right now, with the present interest rates and all things considered, a two year old (2020/early 2021) unit well taken care of is best deal out there. I see them.
I've been watching Josh the RV Nerd (in Clearwater Michigan) on utube for several years. Now I can't even remember the origin name of his family owned business from before they sold out to Bish's. I am still leaning toward shopping at that Bish's location when I'm ready to pull the trigger, even though there is a Bish's closer to me here in Oneida, NY. He still emphasizes that they have NO hidden fees. I sincerely hope I'll be able to submit glowing reviews on their website post-purchace.
I'm blown away that you would offer the honest advice to "Stay away from big chain dealerships." Good on you!
They don’t call the “Stealerships” for nothing. I’m an rv tech. The only dealerships I ever worked for that were honest about what they gave for what they charged, were Airstream dealers. They are way more expensive, so they can afford to give you what they promise. I saw very few unhappy customers there. One of the dealers I worked for (the largest in the world), the owner told me, on my first day, “ no matter what it costs, no matter how long it takes, no matter what the service manager says, if a guest comes through here and needs something, you drop what you are doing and make them happy.” Every other dealer I’ve every encountered, is way below that standard ( to put it nicely).
Went to general RV for a first time purchase experience, waited 45 minutes for nobody.
Maybe that dealer's in Alvarado, Texas. Love that place
Good to know, agrota. I had very good experience with Northwood (LaGrand, Oregon, Arctic Fox) but they are expensive. much as you indicate, I sense the manufacturer has a real passion and conviction of their methods.
I generally stick with travel trailers. My 3 rules are, NEVER trust a salesperson. ALWAYS purchase used, and NEVER purchase a trailer that the seller does not want to let you take on a test tow to see how the trailer handles the road.
how many trailers have you went through over the years?
@@mandasity Still in my Jayco. Been in this for about 4 years now. Still looks like new. I am saving for a big upgrade right now. Not sure how your question applies to my comment though.
@@jcfra420 When you said you generally stick with travel trailers I was just curious what sort of experiences you've had over the years and if you might have some advice. It sounded like you've been through a few so I thought I'd pester you with a few questions since I'm a first time buyer. I wasn't implying anything negative. And I thank you for your answer!
@@mandasity Thankfully I missed a few issues by being careful in my purchase, researching the models and doing thorough inspection before purchase. I spoke to dozens of people and they all told me do not buy anything over the year of like 2021 since it is crap quality. All the old school builders retired.
Also to buy used, because usually anything that will go wrong with a RV happens in the first couple years. So any major problems would be fixed.
Do a thorough, and I mean thorough exam for ANY water damage of ANY kind. If there is any water damage on the inside, the RV has basically lost all value.
I mean you can find RVs that sold for close to 100k for around 25k-30k if it is around 4-5 years old. I mean I have seen them that look freaking brand new going for that price. That is from private purchase, not a used from a dealer. Never buy used from a dealer
Great video. I was an independent contractor working for an RV delivery company in Elkhart IN from 2014-2015. I usually delivered new RV fifth wheels to the Dallas/Ft. Worth area dealerships. All makes and models. I learned alot. I would inspect them before I secured them to my truck. I looked for damage or anything else that a receiving dealer might blame me for and not accept delivery. I had no problems with one manufacturer. Grand Design (and no, they did not pay me to say it). Well built, no problems during transport, and never had a problem with dealer inspections. It seemed that the inspections went much quicker than with other makes. Since then, I learned that Winnebago bought out (?) Grand Design. At first I thought their quality would take a hit, but hopefully it didnt. GD would still be my first look if I was going to get another fifth wheel.
Dealer mark up. The RV delivery included an envelope that included information on it for the dealership/customer. It also included an dealer invoice and the MSRP. Some wiggle room. Example: If the MSRP is $100,000, the dealer paid around $60,000+- in 2014-2015. I am not sure how much the mark up would be today, but I would guess it would be similiar.
60K build for a 100K sale. No wonder they fall apart.
Sounds like the 40% 'we' lose driving it
off the lot to our own driveways isn't
really a a 40% loss in value, there never
was that $100,000 value to begin with,
that's just what the dealer wants for
the 'honor' of 'ripping' us off. So there's
that, lol,
we don't really lose that much... 🤔
😄😄
I had bought a brand new RV part of my retirement plan. I live with my dad, but his health declined so I sold my RV a year later and I do not regret my decision, my dad comes first and I feel more in peace and taking care of my dad with love 💕
Deus abençoará você por honrar seu pai na velhice
Kudos to Lippert Industries We have a 2017 Jayco (purchased new) On a recent trip we noticed one wheel tipping out at the bottom. We got it home and jacked and measured and determined the axle had bent. We contacted the dealer was told out of warranty and referred to a trailer shop. They determined it was safe to use but recommended axle replacement.
Jayco corporate did not respond to any communication. On a off chance we contacted Lippert directly and they were sympathetic to the situation and sent use some forms to fill out and return and would review and contact us. To our surprise they emailed us the next business day and asked us to contact the service department to arrange for order and shipping to replace both axles. This totally blew us away, everyone we dealt with was courteous and professional. It took a few weeks to manufacture, ship and have installed but everything has been done to our satisfaction. Again big shout out to Lippert and their employees.
Lots of great tips! I will add to get a RV inspection for new units as well. I spent ~ $900 for an inspection on a new Thor Omni and it was the best money spent. The unit had multiple issues from minor to serious, for example it had a propane leak. This was despite the large rv dealer’s supposed two inspections done prior to my inspection.
As first time RV'ers my wife and I had a very positive experience buying a used class C from a private party which we kept for 4 years and sold for the same price we paid for it. Yes, it had some issues, but I am handy and was able to take care of everything myself. For those looking to get in for the first time, if you don't know anyone who has first hand experience, just go to a campground and chat up the campers that have RV's like the one you are interested in. You will find most, if not all, campers are very friendly, helpful and will want you to have a positive experience. Find out what kind of problems they have had and how they resolved them. They don't have any financial incentive to BS you so you can get some really good advice from them.
Over the years I’ve learned how to buy cars & trucks, but I don’t have a clue on how to buy a travel trailer. Going to the campground & talking to campers is the best advise I’ve heard. Thank you!!!
My wife and I just sold our first TT, a 2009 model we bought private party used it 4 seasons and sold it for $500 less then we paid. Also upgraded to a 2020 model for $15,500 almost half of a new one with same specs.
@@genitagray6126 I've pulled rv's 4 12 yrs. I CAN tell you I've had 3 dulley trucks all with air-bag suspension on the rear axle. Thee best pulling trailer is A Jayco 26' SLX that's if a 26 footer would suit ya. Imagines by Grand Design are also pretty good on the road too------
Thanks! I’m looking for answers!
Great advice my friend
The best thing about a RV is living out of it once it is parked at your destination, (as opposed to a tent). The worst thing about a RV is everything else. Initial cost, upkeep cost and maintenance, storage, MPG, and finally does anyone actually like driving a RV.
I really enjoy having mine. When the smoke comes from The Fires 🔥 I take off. Also in the Winter I take off. In the Summer when it gets above 110 degrees I head for the Coast. I am in my RV 4 to 6 months a year. And in 3 years I have 29,000 plus miles on it.
Happy to have found your channel. I as well, have been doing my homework, but I’m in the used RV category of buyers. I appreciate you linking to a 3rd party inspection, as I have no idea what to look for - well, in general.
I also watched a news story the other day, how RV dealers - especially the larger chain dealers, are absolutely jammed to the rafters with RV’s/Camping trailers, etc.
I’ve also heard that many of the brand new RV’s are having issues right out of the gate. RV manufacturers are cutting corners.
One UA-camr, bought a brand new camper from a ‘reputable’ manufacturer and a ‘reputable dealer’.
He picked up the trailer in Indiana and drove it home, several hundred miles to western New York.
When he arrived home, one of his fenders was missing, a wheel cover had split in half and 2 of the large letters in the manufacturers name had blown off.
It’s madness and I’m nervous - especially since my budget is sub $15k.
Anyway, thanks again. Looking forward to more of your insights
Been disabled since age fourteen in 1972, and now at age sixty-five, probably will have to give up driver's license and driving soon, but I did have a motor van in 1988 for five years. I watch these RV disaster videos for entertainment, my son at age forty will probably soon retire and live in one. Hope you don't mind that in my medicated, couch-filled days and nights, I chuckle and get many laughs from RV nightmares, crashes, stuck in snow and mud, you name it. Hey healthy people, just park it for a few hours, and be glad you're alive today! Okay, now go crash! - j q t -
Build your own. I did. Basic cargo trailer cost $2800 BRAND NEW OFF THE LOT. 12x6 V nose. There are many advantages to this. The main one is you can configure it anyway you like and then redo it if you find it was a mistake.
Great subject Alan!
My only advice to the new R.V. Buyer.
Make your first stop at the RV retailer to the Service And Parts department. Make certain that department matches the trailer dealers inventory output. If they are a large dealer two services bays will not handle the service side of that retailer.
Phone to speak to parts and service. Ask how long appointments would take to get booked in.
Know this side of the retailer because after the purchase this is your destination for many years to come.
That is some frickin good advice,not just for RVs
I left this Page due to the politics… I don’t mix my down time with politics….. our world stressful enough…. Enjoy the great outdoors friends!
I owned an Independant RV inspection service for several years, and looked at a lot fo RV's over the years for peopel who were out of state. I got into it as a favor for a friend, but found out that there was a real market for folks who needed someone who knew and Understood RV's. Back in the 70's I worked in the Factories for several Rv Manufactirers and rebuilt many for my own use over the years. I was blown away at how little people knew about the RV they were about to dump a lot of money into buying.
It was fun and my buisness when crazy by word of mouth.
But I had to quit because of a Cancer diagnosis.
Folks, do your homework or find a Competent Independant RV Inspector if you're not the mechanical type.
Someone who will go under, over and all through a camper unit and give you an honest Mo BS assesment
Some RV Dealerships welcomed me, some did not.
Oh and my friends bought a nice unit that had some issues I found, but were able to knock the price down because of the issues that they thought they could fix themselves. And they did. It served then well for 10 years before they sold it and bought a second one.
Me, I'm an old Hot Rodder who aways enjoyed camping with my parents as a young boy in the 50's in their Old Shasta camper, and never lost my desire to learn how things ticked. Currently doing a makeover and Tim Tayor "
"More Power" makeover of my 89 Fleetwood Limnited. Shoud be a good runner and the modernization has been an enjoyable hobby and passion for me for over 30 years.
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I certainly could use your valuable advice about what direction to go if your feeling gracious!
Curtis, does your suggestion for hiring an independent RV inspector also apply to a brand new RV or previously owned ones?
Sometimes you can get a really good deal buying from a private party. My Mom and Dad bought a brand new Tioga Class C - they only had it for two years, then my Dad had a stroke and couldn't drive anymore. My sister and I were shocked at the amount of money Mom sold it for, knowing what they had just paid for it, but she said "Oh, it's fine... I sold it to a young couple with two little kids. I feel fine about it." There still are some nice people in the world who have legitimate reasons for selling their RVs, but I agree - you do need to be very cautious and do your homework. Thanks for the great video.
I've owned class A, class C, gas and diesel, trailers and 5th wheels. The only RV I've ever owned that wasn't a complete nightmare was a 1982 MCI bus that I converted myself. The bus chassis and drive train had just over 500,000 miles when I bought it and it was many time more reliable than anything else. Never even had a minor breakdown on the bus. The bus chassis and Detroit Diesel/ Allison drivetrain will go a million miles with basic preventative maintenance.
That's absolutely true,
My dad was a heavy duty mechanic, a properly maintained diesel will easily go a million miles, there are some that are just bad engines to begin with though, ya gotta do your homework . I worked in the RV buissines myself and saw what cracker boxes most are. Their standard of construction is to provide a couple weeks service for a couple of years, that's about it.
Eh Mr Carlisle, what would you say about a 2001 Fleetwood w/ 20,000 miles for $53 grand , and it's a diesel pusher I belive 1 slide and 36' long .Should I get on it or stay away from Fleetwood ?
@@ronmoore3987 Way over priced. Fleetwood is not known for quality. We sold a 2006 Revolution for $46K a couple years ago. It was a decent rig, but there was always something to fix. I wouldn't touch a diesel pusher right now unless I could steal it. The RV and boat markets are in freefall right now. Diesel is likely to hit $8+ this winter and these rigs are thirsty. Also beware of the sellers who purchased during the pandemic, paid stupid pandemic money and financed. The market is tanking and they are way upside down and trying to get someone else to buy them out of their mistake.
Would love to have an MCI coach conversion, I drove them as buses for 38 years before retiring 10 years ago. Those coaches were built to 'take the heat'! I knew the difference as soon as I bought my 25' TT. Don't plan to take it anywhere, that'd be too much like work, lol. My TT has no slides, don't need them, don't want another potential headache to deal with. Mine is a 2021 Keystone Passport 219bh with a Murphy bed. Replaced its mattress with a full queen Zinus 6", a bit heavy but managable. Didn't need a separate bedroom, when I get up, the bed has to be gone! What remains is a nice sofa. Full kitchen, 3-burner stove with oven, Maxx fan in the bathroom (option). Had this rig since it was new and I'm really enjoying it. Never owned a camper before only began binge watching videos in early 21 so I'd know what I was talking about when I spoke to the salespeople at the dealerships.
Thank you, for supporting NRVIA inspectors, my husband and I are inspectors and we pride ourselves in doing an conscientious and efficient inspection, to give our clients all the information they need to make an informed decision when purchasing or not purchasing the RV.
Are you in Florida?
I'm brand new! Actually just starting to research for my husband and myself. Thank you so much for this straight and easy to understand approach! I'm learning so much!
Bought an 04' fifth wheel three years ago it was pretty clean. No signs of leaks, however I found four small soft spots in the roof. No water damage so they were easy repairs. Last spring it sat in the camp ground over the winter. A soft spot in the floor in front of the toilette. Water damage at the bottom of the back wall and wardrobe. The left corner seal leaked, disassembled the bath except for the ceiling and shower wall. Replaced the floor, re-framed the left and back wall. With the high temperatures in July and August I could only work on it in the early mornings in the limited shade. It turned out pretty good for an armature. I probably had under three hundred in materials (6 bucks for 2x4s) So far it survived the winter and we parked it in a campground so we can spend weekends enjoying it.
Bought a used 5th wheel from a dealer…so know and understand it is used and will have some issues. They kept it for a week after I did the purchase paperwork to do the final sale inspection. Everything seemed to work when I did walk through during pickup. Third time I put the slide out it stopped working… I went back and simply asked for advice on how I could repair myself. None was offered and they said it would take 8 days until they could fit it in for repair. I walked away a bit frustrated, but didn’t purchase their warranty so my fault I guess.
But what really annoyed me is about a month later I was taking it up to the mountains and a piece of aluminum bolted to the frame in the wheel well came loose, contacting and shredding my tire. (I had seen this aluminum “brace” thing prior and the bolt was secure so no fault on their behalf). I went to change the tire and the spare tire, that looked fine on visual inspection, actually had the tread delaminated from the tire. So I couldn’t use the tire. I sat on side of highway for 1&1/2 days due to Saturday evening and no open tire stores until Monday. Finally replaced on Monday and went on my trip. When I returned I took the receipt for new tire and brought the delaminated spare back to the dealer.
They refused to replace, reimburse, or even offer store credit to their store. It was only $130 but refused to budge. Said I should have inspected it before the sale and negotiate it in the price. Saying I got a “good deal” on the used 5th wheel and that was that.
I said that’s not how you do business and attempting to shame the manager but he wasn’t budging. It was a only $130 cost to make things right with a customer that bought a product on good faith… mind you they have $250k rigs on their lot so $130 is nothing when reputations are on the line.
Is it illegal for a dealership to sell a used vehicle with an unserviceable spare tire? It isn’t the money but the principal…what a crap RV dealership.
Wasn’t going to name the company but buyer beware of the type of place you are purchasing from…Robert Christ RV in Mesa Arizona. Sadly I don’t have the managers name.
There is no lemon law for RVs like there is for cars. They don't have to make it right, and they probably won't. Sorry about your bad luck, and I truly hope that's the last of it.
@@MarkWilliams-ix1qf thanks for the information
Staggeringly stupid mistake by dealer. To haggle over 130 dollars when you have the potential to have a return customer over pennie’s is a design for failure.
A real mustfor used RVs is to check the frames for cracks . Most all trailers use Lippert built frames . 5th wheel trailer frames are prone to breakage at the transition from the lower part of the trailer to the Goose neck as well as the frame at the pin box. They may also hve cracked spring attach fittings . If you see any buckling or movement in the goose neck when the unit is lifted by the pin box you have a serious problem . On travel trailers check the frame 3 ft in front and behind the wheels . You are looking for cracks in the web of the Ibeam at the cross beam supports that are hidden by the corrigated insulation board. These cracks are caused by making sharp turns and scrubbing the tires sideways and twisting the frame .
Is this year specific? Meaning, is there a year that delineates when this problem begins, or when they started using these types of weaker frames?
I have a 1996 pull behind, and I've noticed the frame on my camper is thicker than the frames on newer campers. I always thought this was weird, because mines only 19ft, but seams like it must weigh the same as a newer 35ft camper.
Does this issue still happen with the older, thicker, frames? Where should I check for cracks on a 19fr pull behind? Also, is it an easy fix, as in can you just weld the cracks if you find them, or do you have to check for square before welding a crack?
Sorry for all the questions. I travel for work building skylights all over the country, so I not only live in my camper, I also pull it A LOT. just always looking for advice on how to keep it on the road, and avoid major catastrophes. If something big happens, I am completely screwed.
@@carllennen3520 If you have a 2 axle trailer the problem is there . Either the frame will twist when turning while backing or pulling forward or the springs or shackles will be stressed or the tires and rims will be stressed . Side load on the tires and wheels will show the extreme stress on the springs , shackles , welds that attach them to the frame and the Ibeam cross member welds . The rust colored cracks will show up as very thin scratches about 1 inch above the bottom bean flange . There is no way to get away from that stress . The tires are the best place to absorb that scrub . Inspect from 4 ft in front of the forward axle to 4 ft behind the rear axle . In that space there should be 3 cross members between the two I Beams . You can pull the two frames against the cross member and penetrate weld through to the cross member . Then weld on 1/4" plate on the outsides of the beam at the cracks .
So your telling me you can’t back up into a tight camping spot without tearing up the frame ?
@@slalomking When you back up and you are in the middle of the operation , look at the wheels and tires . . They will be leaning and scrubbing something awful. Most camp sites back in to the right . When you back in to the right the front wheel on the door side of the camper will lean in at the top . The rear axle will lean opposite . Those forces go right to the Frame components. So make wider turns for less stress and inspect regularly for rust colored thin marks on your frame 1 inch above the bottom flange of your I beam. Its steel but a poor grade of steel no matter how luxurious the Unit . 5th wheels crack in the Cargo to gooseneck area. Any movement at all in the caulk joints means its broken. View the other broke frame videos. Its very common.
@@charleswesley9907 Wow, I didn’t realize that these camper frames were made so cheaply. We have a boat I pull around at 5000 lbs with tandem axles. I’m always making sharp turns to even get in into my garage. It’s a 1991 trailer. The turns are so tight the front tire will leave a tread mark as it scrubs the turn. As far as I know, it’s still holding up.
I have watched soooo many RV videos from all kinds of RV UA-camrs that I have learned and ultimately decided to NOT purchase ANY RV when I retire real soon! For many reasons, of course, but mostly because of how many headaches customers are having with quality and service. I thought regular ol' car dealers were bottom feeding shysters', but RV dealers are way worse. It seems that RV'ing is full of way more headaches than fun and pleasure with the lack of quality control and service. Thanks for the videos.
Please consider my reply to the video makers post about Northwood. As we age, it is far too easy to not get out, and if you are not worried about price, want quality, go find a great RV and get out there. Bear in mind: RVs are not like auto manufacturers, they make fewer, there is not the same factory line that has countless checks and balances, and, respectfully, many who do not do well with others end up in RV mfg industry (take a tour, be kind to them).
The other thing I learned was it is a vacation, why drive over 300 miles a day? Plan ahead, and if not in flaky areas, any Walmart will love to see you if in a nice, crisp, truck and trailer. Maybe buy something and ask in some, but I never have, I buy breakfast and thank them afterwards. Having a nice truck and trailer.... makes you attractive to most, and a very few, angrily jealous. There are countless good people out there.
Use o dinheiro que gastaria com dor de cabeça no RV em viagens ao redor do mundo.
@@MindFusion-ij1xl bobagem afirmar que controle de qualidade de produção de motorhomes ser inferior ao controle de qualidade de produção de automóveis ocorre devido menor número de carros produzidos. Os valores cobrados por novos RVs são altos e cobrem os custos necessários para produzir com qualidade. A produção de motorhomes europeus e japoneses com alta qualidade prova que esse argumento é falho.
Another great video Wingman!
I just sold our old A Gasser and getting ready to purchase a new or newer A Gasser. For the past couple of years I’ve literally been watching videos, checking websites like RV Trader daily looking at pricing trends. It definitely takes a lot of studying and work. I finally feel very confident in the make and model of RV that will fit my wife and I needs. Next step is to find the RV at the price we want, get an inspection…and away we go!
Great advise!!
Research is hugely important as well as knowing your own capabilities. Big rigs require big tools, hoists, jacks and the willingness to tackle diverse projects. There are many systems that make RV's work and many people will accept the challenge to learn and fix on their own but many will not be able or willing to so be prepared for high priced repairs. I am a firm believer in buying used as it is a better deal and doing as much of the work as I can myself saves even more money! Thanks for informing your viewers of the many pros and cons of the RV world!!
I purchased a 32' 1996 Holiday Rambler Aluma-Lite travel trailer for $8500. It is extremely solid and well engineered. It was a private sale. My philosophy:. Buy older high quality equipment. They have proven track records.
Great advice. I think
Like anything else…experience is your best friend. You’re absolutely correct on the current downturn…. We’ve noticed Lazydays now begging us to come trade our 2 year old Grand Design for a new 5th wheel … NOT HAPPENING! Ours is fine it is an Imagine . Point is….. we stopped in about 18 mos ago just mostly curious to move up to 5th wheel and they practically gave us ZERO trade in which is now 80% paid for… now their calling emailing us to reconsider…. NOPE… that train left the station. Thanks Allen glad we ran across your channel! Love your vids!
Great video! I have had a class C and now a travel trailer. For ease of use and the most flexability my next purchase will be a Ram Promaster van that I will build out myself. No more bad gas milage, trouble getting campsites, or dealing with RV service centers for me!!! 😀
No more comfort... No resale value. Gotcha. Good luck with this.
Great advice. One more thing very very few people ever talk about when selling is how the RV handles on the open road. This is a very hard area to research. I have gone as far as contacting the engineers at Freightliner and Ford for some answers on their chassis. I would love for you to put together a segment on chassis design. A lot of the handling comes from the wheel base ratio. My first RV a class A gasser I installed every chassis option they sell and it still was horrible, had to sell.
"the wheel base ratio" Ratio to what?
In our experience no RV is a dream to drive. No RV will drive like our BMW. But, when we have started with lighter RVs, under 26K pounds, we have had decent experiences.
@@marksherman5677 Simple formula used to determine handling characteristics, but essentially with of wheel base across front tires, front front tire to back tire, and length of RV body itself.
A little late, but I put a road armor suspension piece on and Good year Endurance tires on and the suspension immediately improved the ride. After two years on the China Bombs I put the Endurance tires on this spring and the stiffer sidewalls immediately made a difference very noticeable on a 3K mile trip. No MORE seeing the back corners with a wind gust or big truck going by. It is straight as an arrow down the road and tracks perfectly. I'm in a an Aspen Trail 2340bhswe 28 footer close to 7K loaded, 850 to 900 lb tongue weight with a Fastway E2 WDH 10K hitch. Virtually everything has a set or single Lippert axle(s) and the same cheap set of suspension pieces... Just going after those and putting high quality tires on can make a BIG difference.
Sorry I meant to say when buying a RV you want a good wheel base ratio. I’m glad to see their are several sites talking about wheel base ratios lately
Don’t ever go to Camping World for anything
Camping World are a bunch of liberal turds who hates conservative values and they said if you're a conservative don't you dare come to our facilities cuz we will not sell you anything how do you like that they suck big time I don't care if you're Republican Democrat I don't have nothing to do with buying a camper you give somebody a good deal a good price and you make a sale they don't care about that
I was just at a CW. We are looking for a Jayco travel trailer. I’m in NJ. Where should I go.
I just go there to take a dump.
@@Sterlingkataademall new ones are basically poorly made. Find an older unit 5 yrs or more to get a better deal and better quality!
My wife and I purchased a used class c from a local private owner last year,,it's a 26ft GranVille Debonair, 1990 build date.When I stopped at our local rv dealership, I was pounced upon by their salesmen,wanting to know if I'd consider selling it to them,as our GranVile was supposedly top of the line when new,and the company had closed in 1991,basically priced themselves out of the market as our rv was over $50,000 new.We found a diamond in the ruff,according to the salesmen. I had been researching the market for a couple of year's, different dealer's, and their offerings, hands on at the rv shows,and was amazed at how chinzy,and poorly built alot of new models are being sold to the unsuspecting public!! We'll just keep our old cruiser,and fix and maintain, and enjoy it! As of right now,we're into the rv for approximately $15,000,that purchase price,tax and tags, full coverage insurance, new rear hd springs, shocks, Goodyear Wrangler Trailrunner A/Ts,and a few odds and ends,,much easier pill to swallow than a 6 figure sum for a new model set-up like ours.Nice shirt,by the way!!😎😎😎
Another thing, not using it is expensive. 12 years of trailering (2 trailers) turning into limited use doesn't make sense. Last 2 years averaging only 10-12 nights each. Payment/storage/insurance/registration/maintenance/depreciation added up to ~$10K/year. So, a grand a night, plus fuel, truck, site rental, cleaning every time you use it, etc. My trailer now sold, feeling much better, renting one for Thanksgiving next month.
Here's is one of LaMesa's finance tricks. They were offering a lower interest rate if you purchased their super duper extended service warranty. They made it sound like it was free because even though you would be paying several thousand dollars for the extended service warranty with the lower interest rate it was free over the coarse of the loan. They made their customers look stupid if you didn't buy the warranty because it was free. Yeah right I would never do business with them again. Even though they had the best price for the Class A MH in the nation they had a bunch of add-ons. Like you said, get the best "Out the Door" price.
Have purchased 5 rv's the past 30 years. Always got 25 to 28 percent off. Went to buy a class A a year ago, offered 20 petcent off they said 5 percent. No deal. Last week salesperson called and said she talked to her boss and said they hated to do it but they would take my offer. Told her to pound sand. Hope these dealers choke on their inventory.
Oh they will. Come Feb. They will be choking on taxes.
That’s what they get for trying to take advantage of people and jot building a customer base …
A percentage off a ficticous number doesn't mean squat. never understood this approach. MSRP is set for the pourposes of getting around banking regulations. Any item or commodity is worth what a buyer is willing to pay and a seller is willing to sell at. Period.
In short as Warren Buffet a value investor, says
Price is what you pay
Value is what you get.
You will go to jail for you. Complicity in holding game virtual hostage all these year! Where are. My Grand Kids A-hole? Jonah and Jasmine Francis! Stop make video and get me out of this dungeon now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@NewWorldDAO lmao
Oliver, Brinkley, and Airstream are top of my list for quality. Oliver is true winter camping. Airstream is 3 seasons only so either travel south in winter weather or purchase the Oliver. Personally I live fulltime in my 2018 850 Lance truck camper and love it.
Agreed. Bought my Arctic Fox from the small guy and thoroughly enjoyed the process. Price was the same with the small guy as the large. Be careful of used, most people are very inexperienced with maintenance. Holding tanks, plumbing, winterizing. Be careful of used.
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Very good video. Thank you! Thirteen years ago I bought a 1993 Foretravel (class A) U-240 from a private party. I spent the previous 2 years doing my research. For $38K I got a rock-solid coach that, to this day, is a pleasure to drive. Ownership has not been cheap and I’ve spent more than twice the purchase price on repairs and maintenance over the years. However, it remains to be a solid RV and still turns heads at 30 years old.
So you spent $38k for a 13 year old unit in 2007 and spent at least $38k in repairs? And this sounds good to you?
Service at the available dealers is ALWAYS a big problem. It takes 2-3 months to get on their schedules and can take months for them to fix any problems! Your comment about an inspection prior to buying any RV is spot on!! 2021 Jayco 36SSWS POS from a Camping World dealer!!!
I have purchased two RVs. The first I purchased from a small dealership; a long-time family-owned one. Little did I know that before my deal was finished, I would be purchasing from the new much larger dealership that was in the process of buying them out. Service after the sale was poor. Two years later we decided to upgrade. Shopped all over the country, since we are full-time we could go anywhere to pick up the RV. Wound up getting the best price at LazyDays RV in Tampa, FL. I stayed away from them on the first purchase because they were a large dealer. I made a big mistake. LazyDays Tampa gave us FIVE STAR treatment, at every level. I mean every employee we dealt with was courteous and professional. They went up and above board to make our experience stellar. We have not had any warranty work done there, however. So, I can't speak to that. Since we live on the road, we have had our warranty work done by mobile RV techs.
RV’s are the time shares of outdoor fun
I retired 7 year ago at age 62. At the time we purchased a new Travel Trailer. It was a 25 foot single slide model. Two years later my wife retired which means we were going to have more time to use the trailer. We quickly realized it was too small for longer trips. So we traded that unit in for a new 2017 Rockwood Windjammer. 6 years into using that trailer and we are having the time of our lives. That said, you have to expect some changes as you go. We had a tire go bad on the trailer and we upgraded all 5 tires to 10 ply tires. No more issues. Changing out the mattress is a given. No big deal. The Windjammer is now in it's 6th season. Still looks new, but then again, we take care of it. Right now I'm trying to talk my wife into upgrading to a Motor Home. I just think they would be better for longer trips. Our youngest lives in Oregon (we are in Michigan) and I sure would like to make that trip in a new Motorhome. Stay tuned.
Wow. A 25fter not a big enough for just 2 people.
You will miss the travel trailer.
Love your wisdom. Somehow I had gotten unsubscribed and don't know when. Back now. The first story of 2 pts was about the family who purchased a Heartland trailer, and truck, and RZR. All burned to the ground. We have a former co-worker who worked for the seller you named but in CA. She had so many issues with the warranty work, it was her job. Oh the stories she has told. One motorhome had been left on the lot for 3 years without being fixed. No body followed up on the next move to bring relief to the owners. Our own brand new trailer sat un-touched for 3 months, in the sun/rain/heat. Our trailer is always in a building after being thoroughly cleaned and checked after each outing. Warranty sucks!
You're getting a sub from me because a friend in California is planning to get a used RV trailer next year and then go to Anchorage and work during the winter of 23-24. As a result, we've already had a few long phone calls discussing the various things involved. And yesterday she told me she found the 4-season rv trailer she wants to get. But now she has a dilemma since her toyota vehicle is only rated for 5,000 pounds of towing and it will struggle if not fail to tow what she wants. So I am going to send her your channel info so she can watch and learn. Thank you.
My advice as a former Teardrop RVer. I purchased a used Casita 3 years ago. It was about 10 years old one owner. The owner was a retired engineer. The city was a medium populated city in Southern Va. He and his wife were elderly and by his admission had aged out. I was 72 and he was probably close to 80. I wanted a used Casita because of their reputation. There were very few in RV Trader and Craigs list on the East coast. I went in somewhat blind but I had a friend who had experience with RVs. The price was fair. He pulled the trailer with an newish F150 3.5 L 4 x 4. I offered to buy truck and trailer which we agreed to. Off we went from NC to Nova Scotia. After several other short trips over 2 years I was through. The camper itself for us was perfect in every way but I was not as enamored with pulling a camper, setting up, breaking camp, self maintenance . Some of it was stressful. We came from a long distance backpacking background. We sold the camper at a good time when used prices were up. I advertised in RV Trader, had 45 calls and sold in 3 days. A week later I sold the truck again for what I paid .
Do your homework, YT, and RV forums. Go to RV campgrounds (day visit) and look at the RV you have interest in and talk to owner. (Most people are proud of their RV and are glad to share.
Buy gently used with all maintenace paperwork.
Go to shows and showrooms just to look and sometimes a free hotdog. If you are towing sometimes that is more important what you use. Go bigger not what is recommended because thats usually mnimum standard.
Been there, done that! Trailers are not good for traveling with daily stops. Great for what I do now which is travel to a reserved campsite at my favorite lake and stay 2 weeks before going back home. I loved my truck and camper for my 3 month trip to Alaska and Canada. Longest I stayed in one spot was three nights. My currant trailer and truck combo would have been a pain for that trip.
Most people don't have 50 to 100k to toss around. Your in your later years from an era where wealth was semi attainable
@@johnpence8529 I agree. The road miles on an RV are telling. Every joint is stressed by travel. Our roads have significant pot holes and bumps . Abrupt lateral shifts torque the chassis, frame and body.
I agree, we are most certainly in a recession now and in real danger of a severe depression. Very solid RV advice, thank you!
@David Roads definitional recession until kid sniffer administration literally changed the definition of it to mean 4 quarters of GDP loss. Watch all the 2008 news media videos of them calling a recession objectively 2 quarters of GDP loss. Wake up sheepy you're not the smart one😂
Speaking for myself, we got rid our year-old camper because we made a bad personal decision. We were first-time purchasers. We bought a unit with bunks thinking our adult kids would want to go camping with us. That wasn’t the case at all. Those bunks are just not made for anyone over the age of 12 IMO. Because of the bunks we had very little storage for our personal belongings. The bunks became the place to put our ‘luggage.’ The floor plan that we liked, began to dislike more and more. We wound up trading it in with a local dealer, not a major chain, for a true couples camper and love it!!
What couples camper did you purchase?
Thanks for this comment. I was considering getting a RV and having my kids go on a trip next summer. They are 19, 17, and 14. They are getting to that point where they're too cool to travel with their old man, so I decided to just get a extended class c all season van. I'm downsizing as we speak so I can use it when I retire.
@@MiguelCardenas-yq4tz We purchased a 2022 Starcraft 20FBS
@@williamj.dovejr.8613 Hahaha, yes too cool! Actually my kids are in their 20’s. My daughter camped once, but she said the bunk was like sleeping directly on the plywood.
@@Ultrahog2112 made by Jayco ! 👍🏼
Excellent advice! Spot on. When I bought my new Rockwood Mini Lite 2509S last summer I had been researching for about two years. I owned a 2018 Aerolite couple's coach and just wanted something with a dinette and a couch in it. After a trip last summer we decided a small bunkhouse would be needed. I knew the brand and model I wanted and found two at Camping world and one at an independent, Eagle Country RV, in Eagle River, WI. Both of the units at Camping World were closer to home and priced $6k higher before their typical add ons. Bought the one at Eagle Country. Great experience, great price, and the trailer is super! No issues at all with the trailer. They did o.k. on the trade and I was willing to flex somewhat on trade in value after their inspection revealed a repair or two that was needed.
I bought a new RV and have changed the oil, under hood generator serpentine belt, repaired a coolant leak and other small repairs. I don’t have time to drive two hours to take it in on warranty. We absolutely love our RV.
Biggest issue for us has been that with the money you pay for these things you shouldn’t end up in the crappy parks that we seem to because nothing decent exists.
Sir, thank you for this. We bought our first and only RV, a tow behind - 7 years ago. We have over 25,000 miles on it. I do the winterizing every year. We always sanitize and flush our water lines, and fresh water tank - every time we go out. Re-grease the wheel bearings before every trip - and during long trips. Ours has a rubberized roof - needs resurfacing and re-caulking every other year or so. So far, we have lots of smiles with all of our miles. My only regret is getting an RV with a slide out - my fault.
Great advise!! I bought a 2018 Fleetwood from La Mesa RV in La Mesa AZ. The worst experience I have ever received in my life!! They are consistently bad from sales to service. I have owned the RV four just over 4 months and it has been in the shop for two of those months and is back in the shop now where I live for repeat concerns.
UGH! 🤦♀️ So incredibly sorry to hear about that!😔
This is the 2nd naming and shaming of that dealership in just this video's comments 😳
@@limitedtime5471 oh no..they are horrible. Stay away from LaMesa
You always give sound advice and great reasoning. Thanks, Wingman!
Great advice! Homework can’t be stressed enough! There are so many things to consider, towing being a big one. Standard 1/2 tons aren’t much good for towing anything over a pop-up or something under 5000 pounds GVWR. Hitches are another big consideration. All these fall within hours and hours of homework! I’m subscribing today.
I’ve got a 30 ft travel trailer RV parked under a carport on my land. I don’t move it and love it. The company i bought from said I could tow it to their “resorts” across the country. I looked them up; booked solid for next two years and all looked like the parking lot where I bought it. Gonna get a teardrop to tow across the country and boondock, smaller seems better.
I have been shopping for a new class A for a few years . The prices are wildly different.. I ended up at a small dealer and got the rv for under 175 k The next closest was 225 k . Do your homework is the best advice ever …. Replacing my 1983 pace arrow with a 2023 Thor 39 ft .. Best Buy on the market after 3 years of home work
Bad idea with Thor Motorhomes. Pretty but poorly built. Good Luck.
My view. If your determined to purchase a RV then the big chains like Camping World and so on are a good place to start for only the purpose of seeing lots of floor plans. They usually have a hugh inventory to look through and you can inspect the quality of build. Once you have an idea what you are interested in purchasing, like Alan said your way better off to find independent family dealers to try to negotiate with.
The big RV shows are the best places to do that. Going into a large chain store just to look around will be a very annoying experience because they won't leave you alone. At the RV shows, the reps are generally too busy to pester you.
I think camping world could be a great place too. You can make the service contract with them. They are a huge company with A LOT of Money too. Just do like wingman says. What is the out of the door price on this Unit? If you don’t like it, then tell them why, and leave.
Wow, Wingman, did you ever hit the nail on the head in regard to excess inventories of 2022 campers! Just today, I saw two TV ads from local chain outlets offering BIG DISCOUNTS on remaining inventories to clear the lots for the ‘23 models.
Well said Alan couldn't agree more to stay away from the big dealerships and lots of homework researching before buying. Love the shirt 👕😍 Thanks for all the wisdom you provide a true blessing to others.
You are exactly right when you say the bigger the chain dealer the worse the service.
The camping world in Tallahassee, FL has a reputation for terrible service .
Great advice, Alan, as always. For folks who are not familiar with RV's, the lingo, how they function, I can't stress it enough, it's very important to do your homework before buying. Part of that would be to also check out the numerous on-line RV forums. Some are general, some are brand/model specific - if interested in a certain brand/model, be sure to check those out. There you will learn of the problems owners experience, and they all have problems, every single one of them. How dealers and manufacturers deal with the problems and treat the customer can tell you a lot about the product.
what is a good forum to check? thanks!
Purchased a Snow River made by Northwood-one line below Artic Fox. I went to La Grande, OR. Thunder RV. I was extremely happy with the dealership as well as the quality of the trailer. I lived in it though a Wyoming winter and toured a couple states. I don't know if I'll ever get another again, just wasn't for me, but if you are going to buy a trailer-camper etc., I say go with Artic Fox.
Used RVs are a good way to go. You’re ABSOLUTELY CORRECT get any RV inspected. Yes it can be a bit on expensive but there is so much in an RV. The tanks, the refrigerator, the furnace, the water heater, air conditioners, and so much more could have a problem. It’s better to know about any issues, and possible expense to repair or replace. For example a refrigerator for an RV CAN COULT 4-5 times as much as a refrigerator for your home. Because they need to have at least two modes of operation and some have three modes electric, propane, and 12 volt.battery.
I live in a 24 foot RV at RV spark.
I’m on social security and the cost of apartments here has gone crazy. I can’t even qualify for an apt with my income so an RV is a much better choice than being homeless and on the street.
Amazing shirt, as typical of our Wingman expert. Thanks for the know how.
Love your shirt. I would not purchase a new RV because they are so over priced for the crap they build. Would rather build my own.
Alan thanks for being there with your videos. All the newbees should watch your videos before they purchase a RV.
I’m starting my research five years out, and it’s been eye opening. I love the daydream of traveling with an RV, but am wary of the reality of high prices, poor quality, and continuous maintenance. I may just end up renting one occasionally, or instead just staying at a very nice hotel or cabin rental when I travel.
Take a look at Oliver or Brinkley.
I purchased my class B Winnebago Travato K floor plan from La Mesa RV in San Diego back in 2018, I paid $85000 for it. Now they are going for something like $115,000 out the door.
With the economy tanking not
sure why somebody would want to get rid of their RV, they make a very good emergency housing if you get evicted or lose your home.
Ummm…if one’s financial position is where an eviction is even remotely possible, then he/she certainly shouldn’t be buying an $85K RV. If they did the odds of their RV being repossessed are exponentially higher than their house being foreclosed on.
Where will you park it ? Got laws about that stuff.
Venda o RV, pague a casa.
i've been researching for 5-7 years now and still learn new things every day about this.
I bought a new class C 21 years ago and am still enjoying RV camping in it. I'm the non-expert when it comes to being street wise to buying an RV. Some people like buying a different RV once every three or so years for the thrill of the new experience and I understand that. Love going to RV shows. Looking doesn't cost much.
We have a 20-year-old class C. Much better made than any newer RV we’ve looked at.
Most sit and decay like that Harley they always wanted. Our old one is probably done. The kids don't use it anymore and my needs changed. It filled a roll. And, damnit, I am still not sure if I wanna get rid of it. Makes a nice occasional guest house around the Holidays.
Used is fine...
There is going to be lots of used RV's for sale in the next couple of years and that will be when good deals will be everywhere.
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos and sharing your knowledge with us. God Bless and please know you are APPRECIATED 🤠
Stumbled on your channel recently and followed your advice. I found a local RV dealership, Couch Family RV, in Cross City Florida. What a wonderful experience working with a family-owned business. Thanks!
I’m buying a 98 Coleman popup. $1500. We used to tent camp. now in our late 60s, we need to be a little kinder to our bodies. Pulls with our Sienna, fits in our garage. Easy to upgrade power with solar, etc.
Two years ago we bought a new Keystone Cougar RV from Camping World. After we bought it, we immediately started having problems with it. The service from CW was laughably terrible. We found a local guy here in North Texas to fix all the bugs in it.
Hi Mr. Wingman , great content. You say not to buy from big chains but the big chains are the only ones that carry the MFG that I want. What then? wish you can buy directly from the mfg. like a Tesla.
Buy used. Avoid massive depreciation. Try to buy private. Get it inspected. Negotiate price. Best way to go.
I do not disagree, but used units often have problems related to not knowing how to store and use an RV:
1) Moisture: You cannot close up an RV and leave it, it will dry out, or absorb moisture, begin to rot, crisp up plumbing and seals and such. You cannot heat a unit up, or have lots of breathing, boiled water, wet clothes, and try to hold heat in, you damage the wood interior, all the way outwards to the outside paneling (called FRP). Not to mention rust.
2) Rotting tires. Do not use tires on RV over four years old. It is always possible, always a pain, to determine mfg date of tires. Buying used? Ignore the tread, rely on mfg. date. Buying new tires? Less than 14 months old is my cutoff.
3) Roof: They need maintenance, people don't do it. Water leaks in, rots inside walls. Rusts things. Water vapor cannot escape usually. Maybe they missed maintenance, did not caulk a spot, maybe they scratched a tree limb, maybe they tried to affix something improper.
4) Frozen pipes and more: Buying used, you may find it is not easy to determine they did not winterize it properly and thus expensive things got patched or plumbing fixes half sass. Fully de-winterize and test, test, test, water heater, tanks, valves, be on pavement so as to see if water drips during your inspection.
5) Generally, people sell because they financially need to but mostly, they discover they don't use it enough. Regardless some fraction are selling because they are tired of fixing it.
6) Last: The generator. If gasoline, we cannot get quality gasoline of decades past, it will turn bad in a year and gum up the tiny holes in the carburetor. This means it runs lean. This results in excess heat which ruins a genset. Beware, be aware.
I think one should examine oneself and friends firstly, are any of you highly or somewhat or not mechanically inclined? I am a retired mechanic, but friends expert in RV were repeatedly of extreme value. Good luck.
We bought out 5th wheel in 2006. 2000 Nash 24.5N. we have pulled this for years with 3 different trucks. I was looking for a new one 3 years ago. It was built so cheap. Ours still works great. Everything works too. Original appliances.
I was going to get a 2023 trading in my 2021 car and 2011 c but backed out at the last minute. Now I'm thinking that was the smart thing to do... I'm going to fix up my 2011 and hopefully it'll be good enough
So they did 1 thing and told me I need to pick up my RV... And when I picked it up, they apparently CLEANED IT OUT as if the deal went thru.. they threw out 3 storage drawers which had a $300 full LED set of bulbs, plus all the contents of all the drawers that had items FOR a new owner!
I have always purchased 20-year or older RV trailers from the private owner. My purchase price is less that the sales tax and shipping cost and first year depreciation of new ones. So, after my second year of ownership I can walk away from it and be in a better position money wise than purchasing a new one. However, now I have had them for over 20 years. They make great storage units when not out on the road.
Enjoyed your channel however, we’ve had great service from La Mesa Rv (El Cajon location) with our Class A Winnebago Adventurer. Yes we’ve had numerous issues requiring servicing but each visit fixed whatever the issue. My husband develops “relationship s” with the service reps and always is satisfied with the assistance. I also have only good things to say about our salesmen San Diego local and Az locations who’s now retired but still answers our phonecall on his cell. We’re pleased with La Mesa Rv!
Another reason for sales of used rvs is many of those people are paying monthly and cannot afford it anymore. So now you'll have to deal with rv liens when trying to buy a used rv.
For Bob from AZ. In Feb 2022, I bought a used, like new, 2022, Class C for $85000. It was from El Monte RV, in Texas, who is an RV rental company. They sell the units after a year of use. No extra fees other than tax and license. We are happy with the one we bought. Not sure how close one is to you in AZ.
Stay away from Camping world.bought mine from a small independent dealer in Wisconsin. Good service. However now they sold out to a bigger dealership, service changed.
We got a renovated Diesel engine, year 2000 Class C 2 years ago from a private seller. We saved a ton of money (over $80 000) by buying used with no crazy depreciation. We have some minor fixes, upgrades and repairs but nothing major. Would do it 10 out of 10 times again. A great deal, wonderful RV, extensive travel at a reasonable cost.
So many words of wisdom. Especially GET AN INSPECTION!!! You pay $100,000 + for a house, why wouldn’t you do the same for you house on wheels that costs the same or more.
Great some advice as always.
Thank You.
My experience as a RV salesman says whatever your budget is, take 20% off. This gives you extra money for unexpected expenses that always creep up.
It's more fun when you have money to use it and enjoy it as opposed to having it sit there due to lack of funds.
It’s a BUYER BEWARE situation. Excellent advice to get an independent RV inspection EVEN on a brand new one.
I worked in Elkhart Indiana , and I can tell you HONESTLY that MOST of them are junk.
I have years of experience with trailers and motorhomes… that is why I’m currently building it MYSELF.
Start with a well constructed enclosed cargo trailer, and take it from there.
Thank you for sharing your experience!! Only thing, you should also have a brand new RV inspected before you hand over $$$$$$$.
Thanks again!!
I just had your typical experience at camping world. Walked in asking about a pop-up trailer that they were $12,000 higher than anybody else in the country. Tried to tell me the reason their price was so high was because they have $6000 in freight cost whereas somebody in Michigan or Indiana pays less than they do. They also said that because they offer so many other services like good Sam, and extended warranties that’s the reason their price was so high. I looked at him and said you’re kidding right he sat right there and lied to me about what their price was and why. I said you’re telling me that a small dealer will offer a better price than you guys and you’re OK with it and he said that’s what our prices is. I’m in Idaho, and I will drive 2000 miles round-trip to Michigan to pick up a trailer and save $12,000 on it. Versus the price that the local camping world here gave me. What blows my mind is that people still buy anything from camping world . I wouldn’t even go in there again and buy a sewer hose. I’m in sales, and I know that if someone won’t buy product a from you, perhaps they’ll buy product be from you. This person that I spoke with never even offered to look at a different priced trailer. Any other options talk to me any way possible shape or form about anything that might work for my budget. Just dismissed me. So glad you are talking about doing your homework and how important it is. I swear months ago I would never go into a camping world, but I did just because they had the one pop-up trailer. I wanted to look at. By the way, I never even got to look at it because he never even got me out of his office before he prequalified me and told me he didn’t have anything for me to buy. Didn’t wanna waste his time with me. What he doesn’t understand is I’ve got money to spend it’s just a matter of time when I spend it. What are you also doesn’t understand that I won’t be spending it with him.
I went to Mike Thompsons RV in Orange County last week and talked to an older dude with a cowboy hat. And it was a shitty experience. Right off the bat, we did not agree on anything. He would no show us around and said feel free to look around but all the RVs were locked. I told hi. I was waiting for the economy to stabilize or cool down until prices were fair. This pissed him off and he said RV prices never come down, today is the best day to buy. I asked why his lot was bursting with inventory and he said all RVs on the East lot (70% of inventory) was already sold. It got more awkward and my wife and 5 kids just gave up and left with no intention of returning.
Dang I was going to head there next week. It's that bad huh?
My family and I bought a 31 ft Class C RV in 2017 but in a different way. A friend's father passed and my friend didn't want it. He knew we were renting campers to see if we liked camping. The RV was in tough shape and roof leaked into the upper bunk and lower back wall and needed other repairs. He sold it to us for $2500 for the newer tires. I grew up on a farm and although I never repaired an RV, I knew I could do it. So, I fixed the roof, updated the interior and repaired everything for about $6500, total investment. We've taken 22 trips in it since then. We're going to buy a newer Class A and I'm not scared of buying used because I know what to look for now. I've also learned a lot of items in RVs weren't meant to be fixed or replaced easily and if you get it repaired, it will cost a fortune. We'll never buy new because they depreciate so quickly. If you take a 20 year loan out for one, you can only sell it for a fraction at seven years into it but still owe a lot for it.
A couple years ago, I traded a low/mid tier travel trailer for a somewhat higher tier 5th wheel at one of the big chain dealers. Our experience with them wasn’t terrible, but I think it had more to do with circumstance. The 5th wheel was a holdover from the previous model year that they were trying to get rid of, so we got a decent deal on it (current day resale value is basically what we paid brand new). I think if you go into it with the right knowledge, know the right questions to ask, and frame the negotiation terms upfront, you can strike a fair deal. When you go through the invoice line by line, don’t be afraid to decline the “extras” that they insist are in your best interest. Most of them aren’t. If you don’t like the deal, you’re under no obligation to accept it. Just walk away. At the end of the day, they want to make the sale and will likely make concessions in order to make it happen.
HUA!
My son found a 2016 RAM ProMaster for me online.
Flew out and bought it and had Kip at ProMasters Only in OH take a look at it.
He gave me a thumbs up.
Brought it home and added Disc-O-Bed and solar and a EUHOMEY travel frig and in my way!
"The person responsible is the one putting on your deodorant". Love it!
A friend stopped by in his Airstream, Land Yacht. “I actually really liked it”. He said he never has to work on it, just hops in, and heads out. (And study how to operate everything.) I prefer hotels, “really nice hotels”, and the “service that comes with it”.
Airstream has a great reputation, “the others don’t”.
Treat yourself to the real thing. They maintain resale value too, you get your loot back, when decide to sell it. “They are practically “a miracle”.
We have an older Monaco pusher. 1997. No push outs. Great coach. Yes it needed movin when we first got it. It also needs stuff every year. 8.3 cummins and Allison 3060. Great combo.
We went with an Airstream travel trailer. Bought one brand new three years ago and it’s been stellar, not a single issue exceeding $20.
I bought our 2017 sunseeker in 2019 , it had only 3000 miles . I had no problems with it . .Not all one or two year motor homes are bad. I live in NJ and bought the motor home in Fla. Drove it home and still have it. You need to know and learn about what you want to have. And you need to be handy.