I've owned both. The Evo CP9A chassis is the superior car in 95% of situations. It's also made better than the BNR34. It was designed to not fail in the toughest of environments (such as the Finland Rally). It deserves to be top of the 90s JDM pyramid - but the BNR34 takes that spot on it's mythology. I will say the RB26 is a very good straight six engine for the time though. Both are great cars.
@@성이름-g9k7p the reason is Tsuchiya Keiichi drove the EVO 6 GSR version which it was a little heavier than the RS version of the EVO 6, but still the V-Spec R34 is still a fast 2 door coupe..
I still own both, a Palma Red Evolution V and a 99 BNR34 GT-R V Spec in Midnight Purple (only 50k kilometres on the clock), and honestly I have to agree I always pick the Evo V, even my little daughters always choose to go out with the Evo V... Very underrated in my opinion, if you compare the prices of both... I'd rather have five Evolution V's for the price of one R34... Waiting for the 25 year rule, the Evo end of this month but she's a keeper, the GT-R in next year's summer... Maybe knowing the value of the GT-R makes me worried too much something might happen, I've got cars only worth €2~3000 that I enjoy more trashing around... (100HP, two 218 vi's, 114 GTi, GTti,...) Because I'm not that worried.
Probably not as mythical because the evo kept going with the same philosophy till the evo 9 or evo x depending on who you ask, but the gtr changed a lot with the 35. So the 34 is the ‘last and best of something’, also as a general rule classic car prices are not ever really fully logical
Tsukuba is a very GT oriented circuit, wide corners and long straights. GTR would have an advantage here with its taller gearing and true 320hp. Evo would carve corners much better than the gtr on the mountains and on a much tighter track (stock for stock of course). Both are class A cars. Evo also has a much stiffer chassis with much more weld points, much easier car to throw around.
Taller gearing is an advantage on Tsukuba?? Long straights? What are you talking about?? The main two straights from low speed recovery corners are only 437m and ~221m which is extremely low. The average max speed on main straight among this class is only 160-170km/h. Short straights recuire shorter final gear ratio. As an example, all TA cars are using shorter gear ratios on Tsukuba. Besides, Evo wasn’t only worse on acceleration from low speed corners but also slightly slower in infield section and last high speed corner. I believe it was just simply the difference in volume size of the engines( P.W.R is almost the same) , probably suspension set up and its stiffness combined with insignificant but still present tire width difference. Tsuchia was also speaking about volume differences at the end of the video
Man! where is Nakaya the Evo specialist. They've got the Nismo specialist....I've seen the Evo destroy the GTR in almost every battle before this. Something doesn't seem right.
Not sure if I understand the video correctly as I dont know japanese, but it sounded like they brought over a Nissan/Nismo test/racing driver for this? If thats the case, chances are Nissan set up a juiced up press car for this one, because there is no way an R34 in stock form leaves an Evo in the dust on the straight like that.
Most of what they are saying (I can only understand a little) is stuff that can kind of be understood through context alone honestly. Two words you'll hear a lot in these episodes is "ii" (pronounced how we would say "E" and means "good") and "hayai" which means fast. Also for a lot of car specific words they borrow words from English but use Japanese phonetics so it sounds just a bit different and this could also help you build some context. An example of these combined is at 1:54 where he essentially just says the braking is good followed by other similar instances. I know it's not the perfect substitute for captions but I hope this helps for future episodes without them! 👍
evo has AYC it makes cornerling greater than other 4wd cars. gtr has ATTEESA ETS it active when rear tires spinning and becomes to 4wd when this system active
That skyline would be worth about 200k if it had under 1000 miles on it now. Roughly. The evo with under 1000 miles would be worth 60/70k to someone in the uk market. Both look amazing stock and its a shame people never really left them stock looks wise
I’m just glad I got to enjoy them back when they were relatively affordable. It’s a shame they’re seen solely as an investment now by some. Evo 6 is perfect on a set of Tarmac Evos and left alone.
In addition to the 34 being 40hp up from its claimed figure, its also the gearing. I raced my mates evo 6 who had a very responsive 300kwatw, i was around 320kwatw in my 34 gtr (also a response build). I walked him with ease. We were even until he had to shift, i slinged past him. He shifted to 4th while i was still revving out 3rd.
I will add that R34 doesn't have just more power, but also more torque, bigger tyres, AWD with FR preference (compared to Evo's FF preference). So in short it's not only faster on the straight, but also in corners (yes, even with the weight difference).
@@senten123 "It has more power dude, look it up, it pushes around 308hp stock. People have dyno'd it stock" Close to, but still less power overall. Theres also considerations for drive train loss (The GTRs have some pretty slick bearing set ups in their drivetrain that help reduce standard drivetrain loss from a 4wd system), less torque and other displacement considerations in regards to power band, single vs twin turbo, tire width comparisons, and a big one not often touched on- gearing. Both are amazing cars, of course.
![Evo Empire vs. The Devil FR Powerful Tsukuba Battle !! [Best MOTORing] 2014](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sIzmrThsCSA/mqdefault.jpg)
![Evo Empire vs. The Devil FR Powerful Tsukuba Battle !! [Best MOTORing] 2014](/img/tr.png)
I've owned both. The Evo CP9A chassis is the superior car in 95% of situations. It's also made better than the BNR34. It was designed to not fail in the toughest of environments (such as the Finland Rally). It deserves to be top of the 90s JDM pyramid - but the BNR34 takes that spot on it's mythology. I will say the RB26 is a very good straight six engine for the time though. Both are great cars.
The R34 had 600cc advantage but the gap seems wide. Why is it?
@@Sempaksemrawutofficial because nakaya didn’t drive the evo
@@성이름-g9k7p the reason is Tsuchiya Keiichi drove the EVO 6 GSR version which it was a little heavier than the RS version of the EVO 6, but still the V-Spec R34 is still a fast 2 door coupe..
I still own both, a Palma Red Evolution V and a 99 BNR34 GT-R V Spec in Midnight Purple (only 50k kilometres on the clock), and honestly I have to agree I always pick the Evo V, even my little daughters always choose to go out with the Evo V... Very underrated in my opinion, if you compare the prices of both... I'd rather have five Evolution V's for the price of one R34... Waiting for the 25 year rule, the Evo end of this month but she's a keeper, the GT-R in next year's summer... Maybe knowing the value of the GT-R makes me worried too much something might happen, I've got cars only worth €2~3000 that I enjoy more trashing around... (100HP, two 218 vi's, 114 GTi, GTti,...) Because I'm not that worried.
Probably not as mythical because the evo kept going with the same philosophy till the evo 9 or evo x depending on who you ask, but the gtr changed a lot with the 35. So the 34 is the ‘last and best of something’, also as a general rule classic car prices are not ever really fully logical
この90年後半のホットバージョンをもっと出して欲しい！
このJDM黄金期代のシーンを！
Tsukuba is a very GT oriented circuit, wide corners and long straights. GTR would have an advantage here with its taller gearing and true 320hp. Evo would carve corners much better than the gtr on the mountains and on a much tighter track (stock for stock of course). Both are class A cars. Evo also has a much stiffer chassis with much more weld points, much easier car to throw around.
Taller gearing is an advantage on Tsukuba?? Long straights? What are you talking about?? The main two straights from low speed recovery corners are only 437m and ~221m which is extremely low. The average max speed on main straight among this class is only 160-170km/h. Short straights recuire shorter final gear ratio. As an example, all TA cars are using shorter gear ratios on Tsukuba.
Besides, Evo wasn’t only worse on acceleration from low speed corners but also slightly slower in infield section and last high speed corner. I believe it was just simply the difference in volume size of the engines( P.W.R is almost the same) , probably suspension set up and its stiffness combined with insignificant but still present tire width difference. Tsuchia was also speaking about volume differences at the end of the video
If Tsukuba is a wide circuit with long straights what is Fuji or Monza?
@@FEGTTTSDH私も思いました😂
何故かこの回のVHS持ってる。今となったらお宝級の2台。エボと言えばⅣ、Ⅴ、Ⅵがやっぱイメージ強いですね。特にⅤは格好いいなぁ!
私はⅡとⅤの化けっぷりが衝撃的でしたね
Where would you even buy these VHS from?
Rule of Best MOTORing: if the video is in 4:3, it's going to be amazing.
It's great to see an R34 driven like that
良き時代ですね👍
元エボ6GSRオーナーです 同じ280PSだと思いますが 実馬力はR34GTRはたしか330から340馬力 エボ6GSRは280馬力そのままでしたから加速力はかないません (某店シャーシ台の実測 多分エボ8以降(320馬力 でないと勝てないかも 加速力ならインプレッサのSTiバージョン4以降ならR34といい勝負です コーナリングならエボ6も速いですけどね
I love this channel. I need to find more like this
miroshi
the r34 has a timeless design. what a beauty
@M1989nrw Schneeimsommer e46? but not a 316i LMAO
@@FEGTTTSDH especially a 316i, the Kombi is still a beauty 😍
タイマンバトル、両方共「土屋」ってなるかと思ったら「土屋」と「武士」になってたw
エボ6は燃料タンクの容量が少なかったなー
GTR just sings Gran Turismo sounds then you just realize how accurate Gran turismo actually was
god he is such a good driver making the R34 dance like that. I never thought it could
Thank you for uploading!!
Man! where is Nakaya the Evo specialist. They've got the Nismo specialist....I've seen the Evo destroy the GTR in almost every battle before this. Something doesn't seem right.
Yeah they probably gave the GTR a boost up over the factory 320hp to give it a good launch video
Ikr; a missed opportunity here lol. It would’ve been a good battle.
Ong bro
Not sure if I understand the video correctly as I dont know japanese, but it sounded like they brought over a Nissan/Nismo test/racing driver for this?
If thats the case, chances are Nissan set up a juiced up press car for this one, because there is no way an R34 in stock form leaves an Evo in the dust on the straight like that.
今となっては、500万円台でこのGT-Rが新車で買えたんだからまさにバーゲンセールでしたね。
エボに至ってはわずか三百万円そこそこだなんて。。
当時の600万と今の600万は違います。
エボも当時の300万は感覚としては今より高いです。
@@g16e-gts しかし給与水準から見ると物価が上がりすぎ
It's being a while I like these Japanese car. Including skyline GT-R, Lancer Evolution and many more
Faldoonta balgagoon?
The LANCER is very BEAUTIFUL
Please have English subtitles. I love Best Motoring and Hot Version, but I don't really understand Japanese.
Most of what they are saying (I can only understand a little) is stuff that can kind of be understood through context alone honestly. Two words you'll hear a lot in these episodes is "ii" (pronounced how we would say "E" and means "good") and "hayai" which means fast. Also for a lot of car specific words they borrow words from English but use Japanese phonetics so it sounds just a bit different and this could also help you build some context. An example of these combined is at 1:54 where he essentially just says the braking is good followed by other similar instances. I know it's not the perfect substitute for captions but I hope this helps for future episodes without them! 👍
Maybe study a littlebit of Japanese? It's not that terribly difficult to pick up at least the key points once you get the frequently used words.
ベイサイドブルーメタリックとランスブルーどっちも良い色
Lan Evo 6 and GTR R34 are timeless cars
エボ6のカラーすげぇな
Nice throw back ! Super cool
ランエボはAYCが付いててハンドルが曲がって行く感じが楽しいけど壊れるのが嫌だからLSDに載せ変えて運転する方がお金がかからなかったんだよね
ランエボは昔から車を買い換える時期になると毎回購入候補に入ってたんですが、AYCのトラブルって少なくないというのを聞くと躊躇してしまって結局買わないままでした
@@uniik819 でも壊れたらそれはそれでいい思い出ですよ
ランエボは７以降は、ACDやAYCのメカトラブルは１０万キロまでなら、無くなっていっています。
自分も今はRS用機械式デフですが、素人走行なら電子制御がある方がタイムが出るので、お金に余裕がある人はAYCなど修理した方良いと思います。RS用の機械式デフは運転難しいです。楽しいですけどね。
Didn't understand much but had fun watching, very nice
280cv declarados.. unos 350 tendra el R34?
Una pena que no tengan subtitulos
1:15 280 ps a 6,800 rpm tiene el gtr
Around 320hp(324ps), they had to declare 276hp(or 280ps) because of the gentleman's agreement.
GTR＝アテーサ、エボ6＝AYC。の対決！どっちもいいなあ！
土屋さんはGTR党だからｗ
エボは中谷さんに乗ってもらわないとｗ
今後こんな車が一生出ないと思うと悲しくなる
マニュアル車無くなるの？
そりゃ不便で需要少ないからね
こんだけ値段も排気量も違う、更に戦場も違うのにここまで着いていけるのはヤバい
こんばんは今から見ますね！R34とランサーなんですね、いいですね！どっちも大好きです。有り難いです。これからもよろしくお願いします。
ランエボ復活待ってます！！
パジェロもお願いしますよ三菱さん！
GOLD THANK YOU!!!
So lucky someone recorded these 👍🏼
I wish they had a 2nd round, but in rally.
evo 6 will destroyed r34 in rally
@@jacksonandrade6105exactly, the GTR was never made to rally
毎号買ってました！
この頃は想像できませんでしたねー！日産と三菱がアライアンスを組むなんて！😅
Wow he makes that GTR glide!
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Is the evo's 4wd better than gtr's because it is much better in controlling overstreet? Is that what they're saying?
evo has AYC
it makes cornerling greater than other 4wd cars.
gtr has ATTEESA ETS
it active when rear tires spinning
and becomes to 4wd when this system active
I’m always team Evo. Was a fan of the Skylines back then but now, it became the fanboy car.
I don't let the wishes of strangers affect how I feel about things. The GT-R is and always will be badass.
Why the bother? I want both and I am fan of both, plus wrx sti and nsxr
Well not fanboy, but the R34 a legendary cars fir millenians that they use in the year 2000 with PC, Playstation, Xbox... For example NFS U1.
R34 GT-Rとランエボ6の対決を現代に再現させるなら、今のGT-Rだと速すぎますから新型ZとGRヤリスが丁度良いところでしょうか。
三菱のスポーツカーをもう一度見てみたい。
期待してます（笑）
日産の技術な三菱になりそうですけど😅
ランエボはなんかインプレッサとライバルの印象が強い
R34GT-R 素晴らしい
Memories ♥️🙇🏻
They don't make them like this anymore! My favorite is the EVO IX and then EVO VI. Shame they stopped producing the Mitsubishi Evolution.
Pure gold videos.
3:21
Smooth operator !!!
Nice!!
That skyline would be worth about 200k if it had under 1000 miles on it now. Roughly. The evo with under 1000 miles would be worth 60/70k to someone in the uk market. Both look amazing stock and its a shame people never really left them stock looks wise
thanks F6F FRANCHISE
I’m just glad I got to enjoy them back when they were relatively affordable. It’s a shame they’re seen solely as an investment now by some.
Evo 6 is perfect on a set of Tarmac Evos and left alone.
Evo ❤️
ランエボはいつもRSでVスペックと勝負してたからGSRは可哀想せめてVスペックじゃないGTRを持ってきたらきっといい勝負になると思う。
スッペクw。2回も書いてて気づかないってどーなの？
GT-RはVスペックでもフル装備なのでむしろいいのでは?
台数が少なくて無理だったのかもですがガチンコにはVスペックN１を出すべきだったとおもう。
ただエボのほうも土屋さんはAYCを使いこなせていないので中谷さんやキンちゃんならいい勝負になるとおもう。
Attesa vs AYC
жалко что новых выпусков нету
このチャンネルって外国人と日本人どっちのほうが視聴してるんかな？？
Nice
エボ6きたああああああ
懐かしい時代
english subs is messed up
It's the heel toe techique actually useful, always had my doubts?
Go back to bed
@@irfaan7868 explain then
Very useful. You risk locking if you don’t do it
Yes. Heel-toe reduces wear on the driveline and makes you ready to come out of corners in the correct gear.
Really wish this had captions
同馬力、トルクとそんなに変わらないのにこんなに差が出るのか…
逆にサーキットで2リッターが34にこれだけついて行けるならいい方
Real 280hp vs 3xxhp..(japanese gentlement agreement)
english subs pls!!!!!!!! somebody
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
編集長と土屋さんの距離近くね笑
Both cars are great. No dubt about that
ダブル土屋さん
ターンインてなんですか？
Gosh r34 so heavy
Driver drift paling legend yang lama betul
34GTRでドリフトって、「社長でも説明がつかない」ってやつだろ？
Wish they would've swapped cars and raced again
Too bad this car is illegal to own in America. Thank goodness Nissan sells the R35 in the US.
r34が560万で買えたのかー
今だったら絶対買うなー笑
very expansive evo now
ⅣのGSRを新車で買って、AYCがダメダメだったから、
今度はⅥのRSに機械式＋LOWクロスで買ったら、
AYCは勝負できる領域にまで進化してたという思い出・・・
この頃はGT－Rに負けるな！！！と常に思いながら観てたなぁ～
このBNR34は違うけど、
ベスモ号ってオイルクーラーとかついてたから、
当時はアホで何も思わなかったけど、
今思うと反則だな！
Ultimate AWD battle!
34新車で559万円、安すぎ
As the tyre technology advanced the R34 performance falls behind
reminds me of Gran Turismo 2.
Lan Evo Power!!
昔は日産が1番だったけどスバルと三菱が出てきてから目立たなくなったイメージ😅
市販車最強タッグ
The real life maki kamiya
GT-Rでドリフトってマジか⁉
️某アニメじゃん⁉️✨
2:55 萬歲
“280ps” for the R34 GTR, the GTR that walks away down the straight from the 280ps, 200kg lighter, Evo 6. 😂😂😂
In addition to the 34 being 40hp up from its claimed figure, its also the gearing. I raced my mates evo 6 who had a very responsive 300kwatw, i was around 320kwatw in my 34 gtr (also a response build). I walked him with ease. We were even until he had to shift, i slinged past him. He shifted to 4th while i was still revving out 3rd.
Best Motoring should do r32 vs Evo 4 to see if Seiji's really right that the r32 is really a kid's toy
a better match would be the pulsar gti-r for a Nissan vs Mitsubishi. both 4wd, 2.0 turbo.
*280hp*... 🤭🤭👍
親子じゃないんだよね？
34もランサーも元はただのセダンなのに、こんなマシンになれるのは当時のメーカーのやる気が見えるなぁ
…おじさんセダンベースの車がなんでこんなに値段が高騰するんすか()
いや、むしろ今の方がおかしいだろ（笑）
God of foot
No way that R34 isn't juiced up lol you don't just win against an EVO 6 like this! She got dusted...
he pilot oldun ok
R34 has more power. They have the same official rating but dynos say the R34 was way over that.
I will add that R34 doesn't have just more power, but also more torque, bigger tyres, AWD with FR preference (compared to Evo's FF preference). So in short it's not only faster on the straight, but also in corners (yes, even with the weight difference).
若い！
Hayai minna 😂
Tommyfyeahs Dream😉
skyline has way more power than 280ps, how does a lighter evo with same power lose lol
The Skyline has a bi-turbo inline 6 with more torque at low RPM! The tires are wider, and the HICAS rear wheel steering handles the power better!
@@Berserkr01 It has more power dude, look it up, it pushes around 308hp stock. People have dyno'd it stock.
@@senten123 "It has more power dude, look it up, it pushes around 308hp stock. People have dyno'd it stock"
Close to, but still less power overall. Theres also considerations for drive train loss (The GTRs have some pretty slick bearing set ups in their drivetrain that help reduce standard drivetrain loss from a 4wd system), less torque and other displacement considerations in regards to power band, single vs twin turbo, tire width comparisons, and a big one not often touched on- gearing.
Both are amazing cars, of course.
スポーツカー全盛ピーク時
Like watching initial d in real life