Watched this first thing in the morning instead of my usual coffee and light music in the middle of the McKinney suburbian desert. Great way to start the day! 40 years of looking for something that I found to be strikingly liberating just the other day - high contrast, no concern for the grain, complete freedom of expression. I see the same things in Koudelka's work but he goes even further - no rule of thirds etc. All that is left is the impression. That is what I always looked for. Wow! Thank you so much, Ted!!!
Amazing. I never thought of photography to a deeper dive, but thanks to my photography class i find myself appreciating work like Koudelka's that is a bridge between fine art and photojournalism. I feel inspired to create art, his compositions are splendid.
After watching Adams and Strand, and now this... I will watch more. I feel thankful that you make this available and take the time to share. Thank you!
Great idea and good presentation from the "Nationality Doubtful" exhibition and book. A few facts: Koudelka started photography earlier than mentioned. He had his first exhibition of Theater photographs in 1961. The international magazine "Camera" (from Switzerland) published his images of gypsies as early as Nov. 1967 and then again in March 1970.The image of a DOG against a snowy landscape was taken in France in one of the ex-royal parks (maybe Versailles). Koudelka's panoramas also reflect his Czech heritage. He cannot have ignore the work in such a format by Josef Sudek. He picked a Fuji 617 that he had seen on a desk in 1986 during a conversation with Bernard Lartajet, in charge of the DATAR mission project. In fact at the same time he was finally given a French passport (as for his stay in Britain, David Turn, another Magnum photographer, played a key-role that cannot be ignored). The "Rauschenberg"-like photograph was taken with that camera: no window or darkroom manipulation involved just Koudelka's eye, sensitivity and vision (different from his eye that takes care of selecting the subject and frame whereas the "vision" projects his psyche into a photograph). After that he did another body of work, "The Black Triangle" on a vast region of Germany/Czechoslovakia/Poland that had been dedicated to open air coal mining for centuries and had ended up heavily polluted and devastated (not a "desert" though as this was not the result of desertification but of acid rains and human exploitation). Many projects with the panoramic format have followed (Wales, Limestone, En Chantier, The Wall, and the latest, Ruins). Koudelka's compositions are still very balanced and "classical." Even if not obvious, a lot of his composition techniques come from classical ways of organizing space (derived from the theater or painting). Medians, diagonals, intelligent "guidelines" of thirds are at play here too. A very good point that Ted reiterates: the heavy and poignant atmosphere of Koudelka's photograph weaving subdued drama (mostly suggested except for Prague), solitude, and that feeling of alienation (exile). Yes, definitely a unique vision (obviously admired by Cartier-Bresson and Delpire). PS: as for a documentary on him, good luck with that Ted (if you want his presence that is). It would be a major achievement. He is a great guy but does not like to talk about himself and his photography (except with Cartier-Bresson and Delpire probably). I have tried several times to interview him (meeting every morning for a whole week in Arles). Every time he politely postponed with a smile...
Thanks for sharing this Ted. Your videos have introduced me to so many photographers I never would have know about otherwise. It's a great source of inspiration :)
Ted, thanks for your dedication to your videos and presentations of great photographers...your obvious passion and enthusiasm are of a benefit to us all.
Great piece, Ted. I would actually go out on a limb and say Koudelka is the best photographer that has lived. I don't feel his unique compositional precision and vision, combined with his sensitivity for the decisive moment, has been matched by anyone else.
The Art Institute of Chicago recently had an exhibit of his work, "Nationality Doubtful" which I saw twice. I was not familiar with his work prior to that but I instantly fell in love. I've since purchased several of his books. Simply amazing and talented artist.
"People with their back to you" @ 15:43 is actually a scene from a urinal, very typical at an Irish Gaelic football or hurling match at half time. once experienced, never forgotten.
Thanks for your great vids. Lots of history and inspiration. Just a small point, @ 04:20 the name of the book is actually Nationality Doubtful, not Nationally Doubtful, as is spoken.
Hi Ted, Im pretty sure I read a interview with Koudelka, where he tells it is not his own arm and watch, but just a random man he stopped when he taught of taking the picture. Please do not quote me on this, since I can't find the interview, but thought it was worth mentioning. Thanks for a great show, would love to see one on Trent Parke. Cheers
You can be quoted on this. He went up on some scaffolding and there was another person up there whom he asked to hold his arm in front of his camera. There's another story behind this one. The other man took a picture of Koudelka's hand, for some reason. Many years later, Koudelka got a phone call from a man saying he was the guy with the wristwatch. Koudelka couldn't buy it until the other man told him he had the picture of Koudelka's hand.
I realize this video is several years old, but "not very expensive" translates to $499 for a hard cover and $154.99 for a paperback (from Amazon by your link). Wow! Thanks for sharing his work, but I think I'm gonna have to hold off on buying the book. LOL!
One thing I love about photography and this reminds me of, is that I've seen artists on instagram and other platforms that have work better than Koudelka, and yet no one knows who they are! They have stunning photos, absolutely breathtaking works. Some have documented historical events. Some, just everyday life. But the creative eye is definitely there, the exposure just isn't. But they don't seem to mind. That's what I love. That...through creativity, we can be as good or as bad as we want to be, and no one else can set limits on us. A nobody can shoot a roll of film, and produce work as great as has ever been created. You don't need credentials. You just need a camera and a love for the art.
We are not talking about mere "credentials' but maybe a lifetime of dedication to the medium and a very personal vision, which very few people do or have. A detail for some maybe but it may be relevant. I do not know of any "nobodies" who have a body of work that can come anywhere close to Koudelka's (and have his dedication to the medium and vision). Thinking that any "nobody" can match that because they have a roll of film may be somewhat unrealistic (understatement here, of course). As for work on Instagram I am still waiting to see anything that can even compare to this photographer's work (and has received as much international acclaim with so. little (if not none) presence on social media ;o)
Interesting video. Koudelka is one of my favourite photographers. The watch on the photo taken in Prague is not his though, and he did not fear for his life after he left Czechoslovakia, he feared for his parents and only after their death, he started publishing under his name.
@Feedback Monitor what the hell you talkin about " Warsaw Ghetto Uprisings on the late 1980's and the second Warsaw Ghetto uprisings on the late 1990's" what a bullshit. Greeting from Poland
@Feedback Monitor 🤣 Hilarious and Sad at the same time! Unfortunately not everyone is aware of the history of the Middle East in order to get your sarcasm. I'm from Palestine and I wanna thank you for your comment. To those who didn't get the sarcasm in the comment above, replace Israel with Palestine, and replace Pakistan with Israel; in order to get the facts right.
Yes it is a commission that Koudelka worked on in the early 2000s documenting the nonsense of the "Wall" (title of the show and book that ensued) and the violence (both physical and psychological) of its presence.
Another Czech photograph :) I'm so proud that you like our photographs. Btw, about 2 miles from where I live was born Karel Schinzel :) He has something to do with colour photography :)
I do like the direction the show is going to. Really well done and I've always found the episodes when you talk about work of various photographers being the best. Happy to watch stuff about Koudelka :) Any chance for Michael Kenna at some point in the future?
His documentation of the borders in Palestine put by the state of Israel is a powerful take on colonization and invasion of land, parallel to his earlier works including the invasion of his homeland czech republic
Thank you for bringing up this great photographer, some of his images - i don't understand. 5:00 - his best known image, 1 min on explanations but nothing said, what makes this image so good? I did not understand
The context (as mentioned above) made the image meaningful and historical. Visually it may not be his best, most universal and most-famous image by far, but there are so many of them.
Just kind of an aside on the subject of his work. It is very interesting and powerful I think that after his images from Prague in 1968 made it out and was published the USSR never dared rolling in tanks like they did afterward. I think this was one of the first times the USSR was truly forced to re evaluate how it responded to political unrest and calls for reform within it's territory and ultimately made what happened later under Gorby possible. They could no longer just ignore and crush dissent without risking world outrage and what is now called a "PR nightmare". I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that perhaps unintentionally he helped shape the course of history.
You may forget about Afghanistan. By the way strictly speaking it was the tanks of the Varsaw pact (same as NATO but from the other side). This was the USSR's sphere of influence and control (same as Puerto Rico or Granada, or even Cuba for the US if not Western Europe where The US maintained military bases and financed political campaigns, right-wing press, and trade-unions competing with legitimate ones which it feared might be to close to the communist ideology) but definitely not part of the USSR.
Hey!! I'm learning..as always!! and i have a question if you dont mind. Did Josef, Gordon ,Cartier ,Maier, Eugene, Taro or Robert used colored filters? What do you think about them?..the filters hahaha!!! I know how good are the photographers mentioned. Thanks. Great Channel!!. PS: How about all time photography books orrecomended one video. Again Thanks.
I enjoyed the story of Josef Kudelka and the history surrounding the not so Cold War episode of the invasion of Czechoslovakia thoroughly! It seems that displaced people's without nationalities like gypsies, related to his feeling of loosing his country during the invasion of the Soviet Union, however, his stage in the UK is perhaps not covered as thoroughly in the book, one more reason to investigate!
5:54 that boy with a target on his back appears on a cover of a significant anti-comunist folk singer Karel Kryl, the song Bratříčku, zavírej vrátka (Close the gate, little brother) describes the violent nature of soviet invasion through an analogy comparing soviet union to a wolf, czechia being a lamb and a prey to the wolf. check out Koudelka's new book "INVASION 68", it is dedicated solely to the events of 68. also there's this interesting project going on that encourages people to identify themselves in those photos. anything that keeps the memories of such events fresh is very important, hopefully we'll learn once and for all and never forget
Did buy the book "Nationality Doubtfull" because of this great video. The work on pages 30-35 can be an interesting subject for a "in depth analysis" video.
Yes!! Please, a video of Alex Webb. Webb's a genius of color photography and composition. If you have "The Suffering of Light" please show it in the video.
Hey guys, as a Czech I am making an art project. I am making a model of this famous photo 2:25. Does anybody know about this tank more? Help is highly appreciated.
Aslong as you can propose a recipe and diet that will keep you into your 80s and produce such work. ;o) The facts sound against such an idea of "terrible survival food" (on which tons of people have lived for centuries).
Watched this first thing in the morning instead of my usual coffee and light music in the middle of the McKinney suburbian desert. Great way to start the day!
40 years of looking for something that I found to be strikingly liberating just the other day - high contrast, no concern for the grain, complete freedom of expression. I see the same things in Koudelka's work but he goes even further - no rule of thirds etc. All that is left is the impression. That is what I always looked for. Wow!
Thank you so much, Ted!!!
Amazing. I never thought of photography to a deeper dive, but thanks to my photography class i find myself appreciating work like Koudelka's that is a bridge between fine art and photojournalism. I feel inspired to create art, his compositions are splendid.
I can't handle the excellence of his work, so glad I watched this video...
After watching Adams and Strand, and now this...
I will watch more.
I feel thankful that you make this available and take the time to share.
Thank you!
Great idea and good presentation from the "Nationality Doubtful" exhibition and book. A few facts: Koudelka started photography earlier than mentioned. He had his first exhibition of Theater photographs in 1961. The international magazine "Camera" (from Switzerland) published his images of gypsies as early as Nov. 1967 and then again in March 1970.The image of a DOG against a snowy landscape was taken in France in one of the ex-royal parks (maybe Versailles). Koudelka's panoramas also reflect his Czech heritage. He cannot have ignore the work in such a format by Josef Sudek. He picked a Fuji 617 that he had seen on a desk in 1986 during a conversation with Bernard Lartajet, in charge of the DATAR mission project. In fact at the same time he was finally given a French passport (as for his stay in Britain, David Turn, another Magnum photographer, played a key-role that cannot be ignored). The "Rauschenberg"-like photograph was taken with that camera: no window or darkroom manipulation involved just Koudelka's eye, sensitivity and vision (different from his eye that takes care of selecting the subject and frame whereas the "vision" projects his psyche into a photograph). After that he did another body of work, "The Black Triangle" on a vast region of Germany/Czechoslovakia/Poland that had been dedicated to open air coal mining for centuries and had ended up heavily polluted and devastated (not a "desert" though as this was not the result of desertification but of acid rains and human exploitation). Many projects with the panoramic format have followed (Wales, Limestone, En Chantier, The Wall, and the latest, Ruins).
Koudelka's compositions are still very balanced and "classical." Even if not obvious, a lot of his composition techniques come from classical ways of organizing space (derived from the theater or painting). Medians, diagonals, intelligent "guidelines" of thirds are at play here too.
A very good point that Ted reiterates: the heavy and poignant atmosphere of Koudelka's photograph weaving subdued drama (mostly suggested except for Prague), solitude, and that feeling of alienation (exile). Yes, definitely a unique vision (obviously admired by Cartier-Bresson and Delpire).
PS: as for a documentary on him, good luck with that Ted (if you want his presence that is). It would be a major achievement. He is a great guy but does not like to talk about himself and his photography (except with Cartier-Bresson and Delpire probably). I have tried several times to interview him (meeting every morning for a whole week in Arles). Every time he politely postponed with a smile...
The picture of the dog in the snow was taken in Parc de Sceaux, near Paris.
Thanks for sharing this Ted. Your videos have introduced me to so many photographers I never would have know about otherwise. It's a great source of inspiration :)
Jason Baker Thanks Jason!
Beautiful stark pictures. Thanks for introducing me to this photographer.
Thanks for featuring Koudelka. He was one of the people I looked at when I studied art (way too many years ago).
Ted, thanks for your dedication to your videos and presentations of great photographers...your obvious passion and enthusiasm are of a benefit to us all.
At Twelve O'clock there was going to be a demonstration but no one show up due to the consecuenses , He was ready 12 O'clock
Great piece, Ted. I would actually go out on a limb and say Koudelka is the best photographer that has lived. I don't feel his unique compositional precision and vision, combined with his sensitivity for the decisive moment, has been matched by anyone else.
Sebastião Salgado is another one of the greats out there.
Thank you so much for bringing him to my attention. Such an amazing body of work.
Thank You! Děkuji!
Finally, a Koudelka Episode! Awesome-tacular!!! Thumbs up Ted!
The Art Institute of Chicago recently had an exhibit of his work, "Nationality Doubtful" which I saw twice. I was not familiar with his work prior to that but I instantly fell in love. I've since purchased several of his books. Simply amazing and talented artist.
"People with their back to you" @ 15:43 is actually a scene from a urinal, very typical at an Irish Gaelic football or hurling match at half time. once experienced, never forgotten.
You are inspiring me in so many directions. Thank you, I REALLY needed that today!.
This was a great intro to this legendary photographer, thank you.
PS: Israel and Palestine you mean, not Pakistan, I believe.
Another brilliant photographer, another must have book! Thank you Ted.
koudelka is a freakin master of his craft. thanks so much for doing this video.
I had the pleasure to go at one of his exhibition about Prague '68. Great prints, great works. I just hoped he will come too.
I'm glad I have this show to catch up on photography history as I completely ignored photography class.
Fantastic episode about one of my favourite photographers. Thanks Ted!
Wow, thanks mate, I’m stoked to have seen this vid
Thanks for your great vids. Lots of history and inspiration. Just a small point, @ 04:20 the name of the book is actually Nationality Doubtful, not Nationally Doubtful, as is spoken.
Absolutely love Koudelka! And I enjoy your videos more when you're flipping through a book rather than Pinterest.
Hi Ted,
Im pretty sure I read a interview with Koudelka, where he tells it is not his own arm and watch, but just a random man he stopped when he taught of taking the picture.
Please do not quote me on this, since I can't find the interview, but thought it was worth mentioning.
Thanks for a great show, would love to see one on Trent Parke.
Cheers
You can be quoted on this. He went up on some scaffolding and there was another person up there whom he asked to hold his arm in front of his camera. There's another story behind this one. The other man took a picture of Koudelka's hand, for some reason. Many years later, Koudelka got a phone call from a man saying he was the guy with the wristwatch. Koudelka couldn't buy it until the other man told him he had the picture of Koudelka's hand.
I realize this video is several years old, but "not very expensive" translates to $499 for a hard cover and $154.99 for a paperback (from Amazon by your link). Wow! Thanks for sharing his work, but I think I'm gonna have to hold off on buying the book. LOL!
Another great over view of a unique artist his images are so inspiring , thank you for bringing this to us
Great look at Koudelka. I would love to see you do one on Andrei Kertesz. Such an observant photographer. Anyway, love your channel. Cheers.
You're an amazing person, thank you for thinking of such simple and thorough explanations.
One thing I love about photography and this reminds me of, is that I've seen artists on instagram and other platforms that have work better than Koudelka, and yet no one knows who they are! They have stunning photos, absolutely breathtaking works. Some have documented historical events. Some, just everyday life. But the creative eye is definitely there, the exposure just isn't. But they don't seem to mind. That's what I love. That...through creativity, we can be as good or as bad as we want to be, and no one else can set limits on us. A nobody can shoot a roll of film, and produce work as great as has ever been created. You don't need credentials. You just need a camera and a love for the art.
We are not talking about mere "credentials' but maybe a lifetime of dedication to the medium and a very personal vision, which very few people do or have. A detail for some maybe but it may be relevant. I do not know of any "nobodies" who have a body of work that can come anywhere close to Koudelka's (and have his dedication to the medium and vision). Thinking that any "nobody" can match that because they have a roll of film may be somewhat unrealistic (understatement here, of course). As for work on Instagram I am still waiting to see anything that can even compare to this photographer's work (and has received as much international acclaim with so. little (if not none) presence on social media ;o)
Great episode! My favorite photographer! :)
Really enjoyed the show at the Getty. Thank you for the video!
So good! 😃 love and miss the artist series!
Quality video.
Going to try and purchase this Kadelka book later in the month.
Interesting video. Koudelka is one of my favourite photographers. The watch on the photo taken in Prague is not his though, and he did not fear for his life after he left Czechoslovakia, he feared for his parents and only after their death, he started publishing under his name.
Where has this channel been all my life???
Beautiful and very inspiring. Thank you for this great video.
Wonderful work and a great presentation of it.
16:21 Israel and *Palestine*. The segregation wall particularly.
@Feedback Monitor what the hell you talkin about " Warsaw Ghetto Uprisings on the late 1980's and the second Warsaw Ghetto uprisings on the late 1990's" what a bullshit. Greeting from Poland
@Feedback Monitor 🤣 Hilarious and Sad at the same time! Unfortunately not everyone is aware of the history of the Middle East in order to get your sarcasm. I'm from Palestine and I wanna thank you for your comment. To those who didn't get the sarcasm in the comment above, replace Israel with Palestine, and replace Pakistan with Israel; in order to get the facts right.
Yes it is a commission that Koudelka worked on in the early 2000s documenting the nonsense of the "Wall" (title of the show and book that ensued) and the violence (both physical and psychological) of its presence.
Great video about one of the greatest photographers of all times (in my opinion). Thanks!
Went you describe the artist, it would be good to see some of their work. It sends the tone of the subject, plus it keeps the views interest.
Thanks Ted for making these amazing videos and allowing me to become a better photographer!
Hey TED please do more of these videos!! thank you very very much!!
Awesome photographer, thanks Ted!
Thanks for another great video Ted! I checked out his landscape book "Wall" and I'm so inspired :D
I love Josef Koudelka's work.
Koudelka is one of my favorite photographer!!
fantastic work. Just discovered your chanel, thanks for making videos.
I loved this, Ted. Great show!
Another Czech photograph :) I'm so proud that you like our photographs. Btw, about 2 miles from where I live was born Karel Schinzel :) He has something to do with colour photography :)
TheNo85307 same here !!! I am so prode with our photographers !!!
love your channel Ted, great stuff, thank you for the effort!
I just love how people nitpick at the most inane of mistakes...
Their lives are empty.
I do like the direction the show is going to. Really well done and I've always found the episodes when you talk about work of various photographers being the best. Happy to watch stuff about Koudelka :) Any chance for Michael Kenna at some point in the future?
Such an amazing video! Even more fascinating since he is still alive :)
Very instructive show! BTW, although he was born in the Czech Republic Koudelka has actually become a French citizen.
Binge watching your channel. I LOVE these videos!
His documentation of the borders in Palestine put by the state of Israel is a powerful take on colonization and invasion of land, parallel to his earlier works including the invasion of his homeland czech republic
Thank you!
Great video as always :) Were you able to get hold of Koudelka?
That book is over $200 on Amazon now. Maybe someday I'll find it in an actual bookstore for a reasonable amount... *sigh*
Sometimes, desire to become master photographer cuts reasons only on desire to hear opinion and analysis from this guy...
Thank you for bringing up this great photographer,
some of his images - i don't understand.
5:00 - his best known image, 1 min on explanations but nothing said,
what makes this image so good?
I did not understand
The context (as mentioned above) made the image meaningful and historical. Visually it may not be his best, most universal and most-famous image by far, but there are so many of them.
Hi Ted, great video, just asking does lynda has enlargers Tutorial or films related stuff?
Thank you for this video
Perfect presentation! Keep going!
Just kind of an aside on the subject of his work. It is very interesting and powerful I think that after his images from Prague in 1968 made it out and was published the USSR never dared rolling in tanks like they did afterward. I think this was one of the first times the USSR was truly forced to re evaluate how it responded to political unrest and calls for reform within it's territory and ultimately made what happened later under Gorby possible. They could no longer just ignore and crush dissent without risking world outrage and what is now called a "PR nightmare". I don't think it is too much of a stretch to say that perhaps unintentionally he helped shape the course of history.
You may forget about Afghanistan. By the way strictly speaking it was the tanks of the Varsaw pact (same as NATO but from the other side). This was the USSR's sphere of influence and control (same as Puerto Rico or Granada, or even Cuba for the US if not Western Europe where The US maintained military bases and financed political campaigns, right-wing press, and trade-unions competing with legitimate ones which it feared might be to close to the communist ideology) but definitely not part of the USSR.
Hello ! 2022 just called and said maybe you were right then, but not anymore, I'm afraid.
would love to see one of these videos on William Klein
Hi ted a very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year
amazing work.
Hey!! I'm learning..as always!! and i have a question if you dont mind. Did Josef, Gordon ,Cartier ,Maier, Eugene, Taro or Robert used colored filters? What do you think about them?..the filters hahaha!!! I know how good are the photographers mentioned. Thanks.
Great Channel!!.
PS: How about all time photography books orrecomended one video. Again Thanks.
I enjoyed the story of Josef Kudelka and the history surrounding the not so Cold War episode of the invasion of Czechoslovakia thoroughly!
It seems that displaced people's without nationalities like gypsies, related to his feeling of loosing his country during the invasion of the Soviet Union, however, his stage in the UK is perhaps not covered as thoroughly in the book, one more reason to investigate!
In reading history or background of the famous ones, I find some common characteristics and that is sacrifice , hard work and an inside emotion
really enjoy it! thanks!
5:54 that boy with a target on his back appears on a cover of a significant anti-comunist folk singer Karel Kryl, the song Bratříčku, zavírej vrátka (Close the gate, little brother) describes the violent nature of soviet invasion through an analogy comparing soviet union to a wolf, czechia being a lamb and a prey to the wolf. check out Koudelka's new book "INVASION 68", it is dedicated solely to the events of 68. also there's this interesting project going on that encourages people to identify themselves in those photos. anything that keeps the memories of such events fresh is very important, hopefully we'll learn once and for all and never forget
amazing work!
The book that is featured in this video, I searched for it on Amazon, and couldn’t find a copy under $265, . It is now feb 2021.
Talk about impactful images,) nice job T
Did buy the book "Nationality Doubtfull" because of this great video.
The work on pages 30-35 can be an interesting subject for a "in depth analysis" video.
Koudelka is one of my favorite.
That wasn't his wristwatch.
Great video ...just one thing ..it´s pronouced Koudelka "K(ow)delka"
Loving these videos! You should make a video about Alex Webb
Yes!! Please, a video of Alex Webb. Webb's a genius of color photography and composition. If you have "The Suffering of Light" please show it in the video.
Exiles book is mind blowing.
Does anyone know what black and white film he was using?
Fotochema or ORWO, probably.
* Nationality Doubtful
Amer Alkhatib ?
What?
Ted pronounced ''Nationality'' as ''nationaly'' two times, so probs thats the reason of the comment
I miss these
Excellent 👍👍👍
My favourite series by him are Gypsies.
Great vid
thanks
Hey guys, as a Czech I am making an art project. I am making a model of this famous photo 2:25. Does anybody know about this tank more? Help is highly appreciated.
I've never understood why the fuss about Kudelka.
Palestine ** not Pakistan
14:55 thats a great dane. he was very fond of dogs.
The OU in the name is pronounced "OH" :) Otherwise perfect video!
at 4:30 - *nationality* doubtful, not "nationally doubtful"
Apparently, milk and bread are terrible survival foods. So anyone planning to mimic Koudelka, bare that in mind. :)
Aslong as you can propose a recipe and diet that will keep you into your 80s and produce such work. ;o) The facts sound against such an idea of "terrible survival food" (on which tons of people have lived for centuries).
@@BrunoChalifour Be my guest, Bruno.
@@durango-CODEBUILDER I will (and have been).
who else is here because of a photography class