The WD Austerity - War Heroes
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During the height of World War II, a need to provide additional motive power at the most desperate of times was answered by way of two rapidly developed classes of heavy freight locomotive, dubbed the Riddles Austerity 2-8-0 and 2-10-0s, machines that were otherwise generally unremarkable, but throughout their careers would see use all across the world, and even partake in some heroic actions during the line of duty.
Chapters:
0:00 - Preamble
0:41 - Wartime Needs
1:48 - WD 2-8-0
4:31 - WD 2-10-0
6:22 - Defenders of the Realm
7:33 - Sacrifice at Soham
9:18 - Post-War Duties
11:08 - Going Above and Beyond
13:42 - Preservation
15:55 - Conclusion
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Everytime the Longmoor Military Railway is mentioned I get sad, it should never have closed.
WD73755 the 2-10-0 version of the 2-8-0 is called Longmoor and is preserved as a static display in the Dutch national railway museum.
the 2-10-0 version had 1 axle more for a lighter axle load then the 2-8-0 and was further identical to the 2-8-0's
those 2 WD classes were heavily used by the Dutch national railways in mostly heavy coal trains.
Almost all surviving 2-10-0's (103 of 150 build) nickname "jeeps" were bought by the NS from the WD. All remaining 2-8-0's on the continent of Europe (184) 'little jeeps" were also aquired.
That made the Dutch national railways the biggest (2-10-0) and big (2-8-0) operator of the 2 classes after the WD years.
As a spotter in the early 60s the 2-8-0s were seen all over the North West and on the old Lancashire & Yorkshire routes. A driver at Wakefield depot told me, without being asked (!) back in 1965, "there's nowt wrong wi' these lad. Hit um wit'th'ammer they'll go."
Excellent, as usual, Ruairidh.
Smoke in my eyes, soot in me' hair, cinders in my shoes
I'm watching the needle fallin' away and singing the *WD* Blues
Well, we're running late in the sorry state on 90733,
Shes overdue for boiler work and I can't get her to steam
@@rastewart100 with a thousand tonnes of tank behind and the tender full of slag
@@terrier_productionsme mate sent me to Coventry and he just won't answer back
There's an interesting story involving a WD 2-8-0 on the Somerset & Dorset Railway in January 1959. Story goes that when the Western Region gained control of the S&D, they started looking for a suitable replacement for the old 7F 2-8-0s. They first tested WD no. 90125 on the 11am down goods(consisting of mostly unfitted wagons) to Evercreech Junction. Long story short, the WD's braking power was woefully unsuitable for the steep grades that the S&D was known for. The train ran away, and even with the six vacuum-fitted vans added, it was a harrowing downhill ride and they were just barely able to stop the train. As a result, the test was declared a failure and the WDs were never seen again on the S&D; their braking power just could not compare to the good old 7Fs.
The S&D 7f 2-8-0s had ferrodo brake shoes which enabled them to keep the trains they hauled under control. Plus the use of 20ton brake vans. The WD 2-8-0s only had cast metal brake shoes which proved at times to cause problems and not only on the S&D.
@@tulyar1043 Exactly, the 7Fs were tailor-made for the S&D, while the WDs weren't.
The 7F was a beast. I rode behind one on the North Norfolk Railway a couple of weeks ago.
That is because the 7f's were a niche locomotive build EXACTLY for the sdjr. They were fitted with brakes suited specifically for the gradients that the line presented, besides being very strong locomotives by british standards.
I remember these loco pulling fast freights down the Midland "Old Road" through Woodhouse Mill and Beighton on the Yorkshire Derbyshire boundary. They could be heard clanking all the way along the Rother Valley way before they actually passed. Always filthy and numbers sometimes unreadable. One particular loco passing through had the name Flying Emma chalked on the tender. All these years later, I have never lost the memory of hearing their clanking.
LMR no. 600 'Gordon' is no longer owned by the Army; ownership of the loco was formally transferred to the Severn Valley Railway in 2008.
Although basic, I was told by an ex fireman that the 2-8-0 austerity loco was a good steamer and rode well too.
They were steam engines that could’ve continued up to 1999 or so. This is one “austerity” I approve of.
Thanks for yet another enthralling video Ruairidh.
I think the relatively simple design made them reasonably reliable, and could have likely kept on going probably as late as 1970 if it weren't for British Railway's modernization scheme.
The speed of the designing and building of these locos, the recovery in reopening the line in Soham, this country really was incredible. Sound is so much better Ruairidh
entire station pretty much gone? repaired in a day.
only if that can be done now...
Definitely an underrated snippet of history, that deserves to be remembered 😌👍
Ahh the Jeep (2-10-0) and little Jeep (2-8-0)
Those were the nicknames given by the crews of those classes of WD locomotives in the Netherlands
Great footage ! And took me back to my trainspotting days during the 1960's shed bashing around Wakefield, Farnley, Stourton. Low Moor, Leeds Holbeck MPD's. My uncle was a platelayer at Healey Mills (Near Ossett) marshalling yard, so I was allowed to operate the 'retarders' sorting the waggons one evening in 1965. I remember climbing onto so many footplates of these great locomotives that were in a terrible state but they kept on going until the end. I remember these WD's on double headers hauling very heavy ballast trains out of Healey Mills and it's a sight I will never forget. Thanks for uploading.
Similar to the 9Fs, the WD Austerity 2-10-0s are also designed for freight trains and they are also banned from running on the mainline in preservation.
Ex Longmoor Gordon's the only one left. The rest died off in scattered scrapyards in the 60s.
Is one at the NYMR.
What led to them being banned? Wheelbase or something like that?
The 9F has a pair of flangeless driving wheels (I don't know about the Austeritys) to help negotiate curves. The current mainline rules state minimum flange dimensions for tyre wear limits, but there is now allowance for deliberately flangeless wheels, so it is a case of "computer says no".
@@deancosens5710there are concerns the flangeless wheel will foul on the raised check rails we have now.
21 2-8-0's we're allocated to my nearest shed Frodingham and served up to the shed closure in 1966. I lived three miles away from Frodingham viaduct and on a summer evening you could here them tackle the 1 in 93. You could hardly see them lineside as many leaked steam at what seemed every steam pipe joint. They were in a terrible state in the 60's but one must have had a major overhaul early sixties and made a splendid sight in shiny black compared to the rest. All three Scunthorpe steelworks were going full pelt back then and as long as you liked freight engines it was a spotters paradise. If the nett zero brigade get their way there'll be no steel industry left in a few years only memories.
The Frodingham WD's were always filthy dirty and worked to death ! And I can still hear the distinctive WD Clank, Clank sound even now ! Wonderful locomotives and more should have survived.
I clambered under and around these at Rosegrove Shed, Burnley in 1965 as a teenager with other boys interested in locomotives. Very different from my later academic career and interests. They hauled coal trains from the local pits. In the final days of steam they were generally filthy as were most locomotives and rolling stock. 👍🏻🏴
Ones up in county durham were doing similar things.
for temporary wartime engines they had a good lifespan.
These locos are by far my favourite design locomotives from Riddles as I’m a fan of locomotives been built in the 1940s. These locos are really fantastic to see in action and I’m glad during my visit to the North Norfolk Railway to see the 2-10-0 in action. One exciting news of one of the 2-10-0s is 3672 is going to be burning oil on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway, I in my opinion, really want to see these engines burning oil as now I now know that the LNER did trial out a 2-8-0 version to burn oil, well I really like to see these engines to be burning oil instead of burning coal. Mainly because they along with the Bulleid, A1s & A2s Pacific’s are perfect to burning oil.
Isn't that one of the greek ones?
Theres supossedly another just sat in a siding over there still.
Well that is one alternative since the Welsh Assembly have decided to stop all coal mining. The other is source anthracite from Venezuela now how is that economically or environmentally sensible?
Very nostalgic! in 1950, aged 12, my pals and I would cycle the 16 miles from Cambridge to Huntingdon, the nearest point on what is now called the ECML. They used to take ages coming down the long southbound straight because of course all the wagons were unbraked.
I remember the old "Dub Ds" as we called them when I was a boy in the late 1950´s. I saw these locomotives regularly on the main line which comes out of Hull and goes in the direction of Goole. They always looked uncared for, scruffy and dirty and seemed to clank more than other "Posher" steam locos at that time. I used to take down the numbers but any records I had were lost long ago
Thankyou for posting all these insightful articles. I experienced the Austerities in the Wakefield area in the late 60s.
There is a picture of my late father driving WD 2-8-0 Sir Guy Williams on the Bullit Expres in the recently published book on Longmoor.
Thank you for providing the background of WD 73755 "Longmoor" (2-10-0), the only locomotive at the Utrecht "Spoorwegmuseum" one was allowed to enter in my youth.
(I haven't visited that museum for "ages", but I do plan to.)
YAAAAYYY A VIDEO OF MY FAVOURITE LOCOMOTIVES AND THE ONE I’M GETTING A MODEL OF TOMORROW!!!
Pre-painted or painting it yourself?
only18 hrs to get it up and running, we used to be able to get things done back when we were a determined nation
These remind me of all the locomotives I've seen here in America like the Big Boys and the M3 Yellowstones. While they pulled far heavier loads during World War Two than the late Robin Riddles's warhorses were ever designed to, these locomotives are truly amazing.
Excellent as usual. Thank you for reminding us of our selflessness in those days, helping to get an ungrateful Europe back on its feet.
wonderful interesting video , it never ceases to amaze me that model manufacturers just stick to common locomotives to manufacture as youve just shown there are rare and far more interesting models far more worhy of modelling
An extremely well researched and well made video. I really enjoyed this one. Thank you!
15:12 that loco 600 Gordon is the loco I still see at the Severn valley railway
Excellent video honouring an extraordinary loco.
Looking forward to the Ellis Clark model that's due next year.
The two classes were scientifically tested by British Railways in 1953, running on the Settle and Carlisle route.
I didn’t know that these had so many issues in their design
As a Swede, it's always interesting to hear you say anything about Swedish SJ
Thank you very, very much to all four of you.
It's so good to see people thinking and working in such a positive and constructive spirit. It's quite inspiring.
Kind regards from Germany
15:41 90755 was the loco I saw on the tv called train spotting
Driver Gimbert and Fireman Nighthall were commemorated by British Rail each having a class 47 loco named after them. I believe they were Stratford locos and would often be seen on the London - Norwich services in the 1980s
Y'know I'm suprised no one has taken steps to get one of the derelict greek examples and parts harvest it to put around a new boiler and frames to make a second 2-8-0 out the remains of a 2-10-0 given the commonality of parts.
Superb video of a unsung loco' that did what it said on the tin thank you for this video .
15:03 work is now underway to get that loco 3672 dame Vera Lynn named after the lady singer herself to return to steam
a video on the electrostars/turbostars would be cool especially since they're a derivative of the networker design
Great vlog as always! Have you done a vlog on the Liberty ships? Keep up the good work!
Damn, the narration sound qualify is significantly better ever since that upgrade. Glad to see you getting better at your craft
I lived not too far from Sutton Oak 8G (St Helens) shed and regularly saw 90212 of 8G. My overriding memory of 90212 was the clanking noise it made which is perfectly demonstated by the last clip in the video. Robert Riddles designed some of the best steam locos ever to see service on Britain's railways and yet many were only in service for a very short period of time. Such a waste.
14:18 90733 is the loco I saw 9 years ago on the Severn valley railway during the spring steam gala
I note a difference in audio fidelity, but it does sound an improvement
Pardon if I’m mistaken
Correct. He said in a community post that he has a new microphone and acoustic shielding and from this video on will be recorded with such.
@@YetAnotherGeorgeth I thought at first he was a bit congested in this one :D
The new mic setup sounds fantastic! Great work
The new mic is a great improvement while still keeping similar audio style as before. I like it.
Many fond memories of these locos - known locally as Dub-dees amongst us youthful trainspotters locally. A popular spot was on the wall at Islington Yard, just up from Blackburn Station on the Preston side and the Dub-dees were a common sight as they worked coal trains in and out of the large coal yard just a short distance further along the line. In fact we often heard them starting out well before we saw them as they started their journey towards Leeds including the long, hard slog over the Pennines which no doubt contributed to the common problem of a loud clanking of worn coupling rod bearings. They were well-liked by local crews and even substituted on passenger workings for annual holiday excursion trains when Rose Grove shed would turn out anything capable of turning a wheel to handle the traffic! Glory days indeed!
Fascinating as always, thank you again.
Just to say WD 600 Gordon is not owned by MOD it’s now owned by the SVR Trust, it’s cosmetically restored at the Engine House in Highley.
A most interesting video, thank you very much.
You got thet right< the "bullet appeared in two movies"top secret and melba" i was there 1951/53
The 2-10-0s were as you mentioned in a prior video developed into the stellar Class 9F.
If I may make a suggestion, a companion piece on the 2-10-0 Kriegslok would be interesting.
As said, underreported. And there's quite a story to be told I think about engines sent out to North Africa and Europe even during the war and used post war before the local rail services recovered.
Wait wait- I swear these WD locos once worked in KCR Hong Kong as well. Where did that mention went?
I always knew if a "WD" was coming by the clanking noise they made.
That's the noise that earned them the nickname "woofer-dunks".
Good job, chaps.
The Soham loco 7337 spent many years at Longmoor.
good interesting stuff !!😊
Well, this is awkward. The one time I get a video done in advance for next week, you go ahead and post a video not only covering the same subject, but with better footage too
Hey A Southern Q 0-6-0 is also Wartime locomotives too
Where did you get those Longmoor clips at 1:49 ? In all my years of researching the LMR I’ve never come across them, unless I’m misremembering.
What could be a interesting video the nsw standard good engines d50 53 and 55 class on one video
Nice subject again! But this time some not fully correct information has slid in.
The Dutch state railways NS did indeed buy many of the 2-10-0 WDs, but they weren't the only ones. Actually the 2-8-0 was more numerous at a certain stage.
236 of the 2-8-0s got NS numbers 4301 to 4537, though not all were in service at the same moment as some were swapped with locomotives of the Dutch State Mines, a body comparable with the British NBC in need of locomotives which could provide steam heating, a thing the WDs couldn't and strangely enough some of the larger pit locomotives could as they operated workers trains as well.. In 1946 50 of the 2-8-0s were swapped for 2-10-0s, the 2-8-0 being more suited for the UK conditions. In the Netherlands with its wider loading gauge the overhang of the 2-10-0 was no issue. The 2-10-0s got the numbers 5001-5103.
The noted preserved locomotive with the fictive BR number 90733 was not directly sold to SJ, it was first sold to NS and had the number NS 4464, and was sold together with 4383 to SJ where 4464 got the number 1931.
All other WDs in the Netherlands were withdrawn by 1958 at the end of steam operation on the national network and scrapped besides WD 73755/NS 5085 named 'Longmoor' which was preserved in the National Railway Museum in Utrecht.
"Dubdees" as we spotters call.ed were the mainstay of coal haulage around the now defunct coalfields of North Notts and South Yorkshire. They were particularly prevalent on the L.D & ECR - does anybody have any sources of information and photos of that particular line ?
You should do a video on the german war locomotive br52
Oil conversion. That is something that one needs to know how it is done correctly. You can't just take a cole burner and run it with oil.
Somewhat Ironic that more 2-10-0's would be preserved than 2-8-0's
I do like your videos, and hope you do more steam...UNRRA would also be a good topic to cover
Love all that Smoke..fun
What is the locality of the shot commencing 16:13?
Are the Q1 Class of war locomotives also on the list? 🙂
Q1's are a completely separate engine.
WD 2-8-0 and 2-10-0 are very close to eachother and the stanier 8F.
@davidty2006 Noted, but that wasn't the point; rather it'd be great to have a video from RM about them.
Fascinating. A good machine that did the job well. Not really an evident thing to happen in Britain.
What about the Hunslet Austerity 0-6-0 st ?
Those are separate..
Also whats the difference between a hunslet 0-6-0 saddle tank and the austerity? they do the same thing, they look pretty much identical and lasted for ages hauling coal for the NCB.
hi, why didn't the clowns keep one for the Lickey incline , unless Big Bertha was more powerful.
Since now i can ask because im not 50 hours late , is the move into more Uk based rail vehicles a partial byproduct of me listing these railway documentaries in an informal and unofficial fanplaylist?
If it is, thank you for your service
Probably not
Im guessing 50/50
Looks a little bit like the german Kriegslocomotive DRG 52 class
No mention of the ones exported to Hong Kong? 🙃
Was going to say the same... they had a lovely livery applied to them. Shame they were missed out
The audio/ commentary in this sounds a bit off compared to your usual. Not quite sure what it is but it's odd compared to your normal.
AI voice?
More evidence of us giving our stuff away,it’s clearly not a contemporary phenomenon such as us throwing millions of pounds at Ukraine whilst my my has to choose between heating or food. Beautiful train but c’mon British people what was it all for, in 100 years there won’t be a channel such as this because we simply don’t invest in ourselves!
This new AI version of your voice is very distracting
we had the BR 52, still in use in some countries...
but we also have high speed train services, so we dont need steam locomotives anymore....
if you reelect the Tories, you will have them back before the decade is over!
Nah tories won't bother with brining back steam engines because they are about things not working.
steam works quite well.
^ He's hit the nail on the head there 😅😂
While I have never voted Conservative (or for one of the far right parties), there is a place for political commentary and this is not it, this is a transport channel that is free of nasty mudslinging and insults. So I have downvoted your post, although it's already at the bottom of the list, so plenty of other people must feel the same way I do.
@@Dave_Sisson lol, Tories will destroy everything they can see with their greedy eyes....
no wonder HS2 is cut down!
^ Nah. It's decades of two parties making it harder and more expensive to build new railways in the UK that's to blame.
That, and HS2 was a Tory pet project from the start (high speed rail has long been so [albeitnever with the accompanying nouce to know what needs investing in to make it work 🤦♂️]), so that's not saying much.
Could you cover the class 08 shunters next please?
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