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I got this cable yesterday and so far I've played on it for about 4 hours. I played Vampire Saviour, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, Metal Slug, and Dodonpachi. This cable does a great job of upscaling to 720P on my LG 4K (6 series curved). It is also doing great on the 2D fighters with smoothing out the characters. I usually just run composite and get a lot of pixels on the characters. I also love the switch for 4:3 to 16:9. It's important, to me, to play in the correct aspect ratio and not have the games stretched to fill the screen. This is a great product. I like it better than their Dreamcast cable.
Looks and sound the same as my LevelHike Saturn cable, with the same problems. Colors are a little washed out and the image is blurry. The biggest problem is the audio channels are reversed. You can notice it during the Street Fighter footage, when Birdie is on the right side of the screen but his voice comes out from the left speaker.
Just wanted to add: Fighters, Shmups, Sports Games, and Platformers make up a substantial portion of the Saturn Library. These tend to be the most sensitive to input lag, so definitely another point to consider, even if you're just trying to get back into the Saturn collection. Would hate for someone to be turned off to the Saturn just because the AV cable makes a bad experience.
@@hulksmash8159 precisely. I am not actively encouraging people to not play the saturn, I just really don't play mine much. Although I just got Bug! which I really have wanted for some time
Respect for testing this with Earthworm Jim 2!!! Whenever I test new stuff I always pop Jim 1 or 2 in. I can always tell if anythings off on those games.
Its does help that the saturn supports rgb/scart right out of the box. So it's not like it's taking a composite video signal. It's most likely taking the rgb signal making it do less work to upscale
Some people (like Bob) talk about these Hyperkin adapters and other cheap adapters like they're just utter garbage. I've used the Nintendo Hyperkin adapter (which uses the S-video signal), and I've compared it to using the RAD2X with an RGB mod, and the difference wasn't nearly as big as I had been led to believe, though I'm sure it could make a bigger difference with some games than others, or it could make a bigger difference on some systems than others. Of course, I do think it's better to have a lower latency option, but BOY do the better options sure cost a lot more! I think if your system has RGB output as an option, that's where paying more for an option which can use that RGB signal is likely to make a big difference and actually be worth usinjg (and using RGB vs. composite or S-video can also be a bigger difference on some systems than others). I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to make an HDMI adapter with the same features and roughly the same quality as the Retrotink 2X Classic for a lot less than what the Classic, or its successor, the Retrotink 2X pro, goes for. I'm sure most people would be willing to pay double the price of a Hyperkin for something like the Retrotink 2X Pro, but the Retrotink 2X Pro costs more than four times as much, and that's before taking into consideration the cost of shipping, which is also likely to be higher than buying a Hyperkin cable on Amazon.
I respect Bob a lot, he has a lot of knowledge, but he and I don't agree on a number of things. I know his position on clone systems, especially things like the RetroN 5. If not for that system I would not have gotten back into retro gaming and this channel would not exist. That is a fact. I hate CRTs, that makes me a heathen in some people's eyes. My feeling is as long as you're having fun that's all that counts.
What about the Pound HDMI HD Link Cable? I just got it and it looks pretty awesome to me for 30 bucks and there is no way FPGA, OSSC, Frame Master and Retrotank is that much better to justify the much higher price, it 's a Saturn, not a PS5 or some other HD or higher system, Saturn came out in 1995 when they did not even have HDMI and HD TVs were not common. Blocky 2-D graphics can only looks so good, some expensive device Can't change that. You can't make a Atari VCS game look any better by hooking it up with a HDMI converter cable of some kind, it;s still going to have 1980's flickery, crappy blocky graphics
It's not just the color and graphics, it's also the lag and latency introduced. The Pound and Hyperkin are really similar, but I prefer the fact that the Pound Cable is a dongle and I can use whatever length HDMI cable with it I need.
I haven't noticed any lag or game breaking motion blur in the Pound HDMI Cable so far but I have not used it much yet. Maybe it might be too bright but that might be how I have my TV set up and have to adjust it's settings.
There's is some there, done are now sensitive to it than others. That being said it's an ok place to start, but I'm the long run, there are better (but more expensive) options out there.
The color is off on the Pound HDMI HD Cable, in the Thunder Force 5 intro video the large Text "VASTEEL" that is supposed to be red is pink, don't know about other colors. Also I think there might be a lag that effects game play because when I was playing Hyper 3-D Pinball I kept losing the ball past the flippers even tough I was sure I pressed the shoulder buttons that operate the flippers quickly enough to hit the ball. I also tried Street Fighter Zero 3 and lost to the second round but I suck at Street Fighter and don' t like it so I don't know if I lost because of lag or because I suck at it.
The cable is not bad for those who just plug and play the Saturn is good enough but I notice the background of Rayman glitch out for some strange reason if you see it at 6:19 on the video but eventually it goes back to normal which is weird. Anyway for those who just wants play the Saturn then is fine but for those who want the best output then they have to use the ossc o framemister insted but that for another topic. Great review as alwaysy friend.
To me it seemed blurry, like if the cable introduced a smoothing filter, or was taking s-video or composite signal instead of RGB. Saturns do not need to be modded to output RGB. Hm... I wonder why they went with tapping into the lower video quality
These cables convert RGB from the system to HDMI. So way better than one of those AV to HDMI adapters since those adapters use composite video for the conversion. Same with the Hyperkin ps1/ps2 cables(RGB to HDMI).
Actually, these do not tap into the RGB outputs, generally they only take the composite signal and upscale that. That's why the HD Retrovision cables look superior
Yes they do use rgb. Open one up and look. Points on the motherboard are labeled RGB and I've also used these with a RGB amp in a Duo by wiring up a Din connector on the end. Same as pound and level hike cables. They all use the RGB signal and even have the same main chip inside.
Does this cable still have that reversed left and right audio channel problem that so many of these hdmi cables for the system have? The only company I know that fixed the problem with their cable is LevelHike but I don't know if other companies have fixed the problem yet.
I'm more of a CRT guy myself but for some consoles I love these type of devices, I do know what those higher end devices you mentioned are, but for some consoles either ones with poor image quality or 6th gen consoles I'd rather play on my BenQ Zowie 1124 monitor...some consoles to my eyes just don't look good on a CRT, I like using one for most 240p consoles but the Sega Genesis is beyond bad.
So would this work well with an elgato hd game capture?, because I have a tv but it doesn't support 240p through HDMI because when I connect it to the capture device it shows up on my capture software but on my TV it shows "no signal", also does the cable upscale the 240p signal to 420p or 720p?
Hey hey bro what’s up it’s straight up I seen your email about the string out that’s being sent from Chinese sellers from amazon. lol Nice channel by the way because I came by from seeing your channel name on the email bro. I just subscribed.
Bob from retro rgb claims that a analog to digital converter box is better than these hyperkin cord solutions. I have a hyperkin cord for my Wii and I get horizontal scrolling lines on my tv.
RoXolid Productions yeah I told my friend if he gets a converter box make sure you ask around in a Facebook group so you don’t get something that Makes the experience worse
Yup, saw your comment and replied. No, the passthrough is on the side not the bottom for the USB power so it will not work with the Adjustable Charging Stand. 0
@@micdagoat19 Check the HD Retrovision site, there's a test for compatibility you need to do before you buy to make sure they work. But yes, these look better.
Dude... play some 3D games. This is not an accurate representation of the cables capabilities if you play 3 games that are nearly identical 2D sprite based games.
@@ZimtikiBar There are a TON of 3D games on the Saturn, I own the entire US collection. House Of The Dead, Die Hard Arcade, Panzer Dragoon 1, 2 & Saga, Virtua Cop 1& 2, Virtua Fighter 1 & 2, Fighting Vipers, Sonic R, Nights: Into Dreams, Pandemonium, Quake, Virtual On, Tomb Raider, Burning Rangers, Sonic Jam, Croc, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, etc... the list goes on and on.
I have the ponds and Hyperkin ones, sometimes it's the games that are the issue, they'are just too old, I have some that look great and others that look bad. So it's a hit and miss.
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I got this cable yesterday and so far I've played on it for about 4 hours. I played Vampire Saviour, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, Metal Slug, and Dodonpachi. This cable does a great job of upscaling to 720P on my LG 4K (6 series curved). It is also doing great on the 2D fighters with smoothing out the characters. I usually just run composite and get a lot of pixels on the characters. I also love the switch for 4:3 to 16:9. It's important, to me, to play in the correct aspect ratio and not have the games stretched to fill the screen. This is a great product. I like it better than their Dreamcast cable.
I haven't tried the Dreamcast cable but I will say this produced some of the best results from one of these cables I've seen thus far
@@RoXolid The only thing I don't like about the DC version is that it doesn't work with games that aren't VGA compatible.
I get great resolution out of a $3 S-Video cable from Malaysia. Most people don't have S video inputs on their TVs anymore☹
Exactly, but to get that to HDMI you can use a RetroTink 2X, at over $100. Great item, amazing results, but there's a cost trade off.
Looks and sound the same as my LevelHike Saturn cable, with the same problems. Colors are a little washed out and the image is blurry. The biggest problem is the audio channels are reversed. You can notice it during the Street Fighter footage, when Birdie is on the right side of the screen but his voice comes out from the left speaker.
It wouldn't shock me if they use a similar vendor
Just use speakers and switch them backwards ;P
Just wanted to add: Fighters, Shmups, Sports Games, and Platformers make up a substantial portion of the Saturn Library. These tend to be the most sensitive to input lag, so definitely another point to consider, even if you're just trying to get back into the Saturn collection. Would hate for someone to be turned off to the Saturn just because the AV cable makes a bad experience.
Great video. I was about to buy a replacement to my Saturn's original cables... I may as well go this route for ten dollars more. Thank You!!
Glad I could help
@9:36.... that’s absolutely criminal in the gaming world.
That I never play my Saturn? Eh, the library just doesn't excite me
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It just doesn't. It's ok, not great
@@RoXolid Hey, it takes all kinds to make the world go around. Don't let others push you around because you don't love what they do. Have a good one.
@@hulksmash8159 precisely. I am not actively encouraging people to not play the saturn, I just really don't play mine much. Although I just got Bug! which I really have wanted for some time
Respect for testing this with Earthworm Jim 2!!! Whenever I test new stuff I always pop Jim 1 or 2 in. I can always tell if anythings off on those games.
I am a HUGE fan of EWJ! It's a staple here on the channel!
Its does help that the saturn supports rgb/scart right out of the box. So it's not like it's taking a composite video signal. It's most likely taking the rgb signal making it do less work to upscale
This cable taps into the SVideo output. But you can get better quality with HD Retrovision Cables
Some people (like Bob) talk about these Hyperkin adapters and other cheap adapters like they're just utter garbage. I've used the Nintendo Hyperkin adapter (which uses the S-video signal), and I've compared it to using the RAD2X with an RGB mod, and the difference wasn't nearly as big as I had been led to believe, though I'm sure it could make a bigger difference with some games than others, or it could make a bigger difference on some systems than others.
Of course, I do think it's better to have a lower latency option, but BOY do the better options sure cost a lot more! I think if your system has RGB output as an option, that's where paying more for an option which can use that RGB signal is likely to make a big difference and actually be worth usinjg (and using RGB vs. composite or S-video can also be a bigger difference on some systems than others).
I'm sure it's POSSIBLE to make an HDMI adapter with the same features and roughly the same quality as the Retrotink 2X Classic for a lot less than what the Classic, or its successor, the Retrotink 2X pro, goes for. I'm sure most people would be willing to pay double the price of a Hyperkin for something like the Retrotink 2X Pro, but the Retrotink 2X Pro costs more than four times as much, and that's before taking into consideration the cost of shipping, which is also likely to be higher than buying a Hyperkin cable on Amazon.
I respect Bob a lot, he has a lot of knowledge, but he and I don't agree on a number of things. I know his position on clone systems, especially things like the RetroN 5. If not for that system I would not have gotten back into retro gaming and this channel would not exist. That is a fact. I hate CRTs, that makes me a heathen in some people's eyes. My feeling is as long as you're having fun that's all that counts.
Has anyone had a problem with this cable?... i heard that the sound goes out after a while. I'm still on the fence abt getting this cable
I haven't used mine a ton since this video but I've not had any issues
The sound failed on mine after 2 days 😔
Oh no!!
Bought it and works for me.
For what it is it defintely serves a purpose.
Another awesome showcase!
Thanks Linda
What about the Pound HDMI HD Link Cable? I just got it and it looks pretty awesome to me for 30 bucks and there is no way FPGA, OSSC, Frame Master and Retrotank is that much better to justify the much higher price, it 's a Saturn, not a PS5 or some other HD or higher system, Saturn came out in 1995 when they did not even have HDMI and HD TVs were not common.
Blocky 2-D graphics can only looks so good, some expensive device Can't change that. You can't make a Atari VCS game look any better by hooking it up with a HDMI converter cable of some kind, it;s still going to have 1980's flickery, crappy blocky graphics
It's not just the color and graphics, it's also the lag and latency introduced. The Pound and Hyperkin are really similar, but I prefer the fact that the Pound Cable is a dongle and I can use whatever length HDMI cable with it I need.
I haven't noticed any lag or game breaking motion blur in the Pound HDMI Cable so far but I have not used it much yet. Maybe it might be too bright but that might be how I have my TV set up and have to adjust it's settings.
There's is some there, done are now sensitive to it than others. That being said it's an ok place to start, but I'm the long run, there are better (but more expensive) options out there.
The color is off on the Pound HDMI HD Cable, in the Thunder Force 5 intro video the large Text "VASTEEL" that is supposed to be red is pink, don't know about other colors.
Also I think there might be a lag that effects game play because when I was playing Hyper 3-D Pinball I kept losing the ball past the flippers even tough I was sure I pressed the shoulder buttons that operate the flippers quickly enough to hit the ball. I also tried Street Fighter Zero 3 and lost to the second round but I suck at Street Fighter and don' t like it so I don't know if I lost because of lag or because I suck at it.
The cable is not bad for those who just plug and play the Saturn is good enough but I notice the background of Rayman glitch out for some strange reason if you see it at 6:19 on the video but eventually it goes back to normal which is weird. Anyway for those who just wants play the Saturn then is fine but for those who want the best output then they have to use the ossc o framemister insted but that for another topic. Great review as alwaysy friend.
I don't think the graphic glitch in Rayman was related to the cable, I think the system didn't load the background code properly.
@@RoXolid Probably, I recommend to check your Saturn because the games runs perfectly expect for rayman. Otherwise the cable does its job fine.
My 16:9 switch doesn't do anything. Maybe mine is broke ? It's not stretching the screen but 4:3 is fine I guess...
Great video and good info Gary.
Thanks so much!!
Can i use this Cable in Germany for Pal Saturn MK1?
Pal Saturn have only 50hz.
Thats why i wonder.
Not sure, I know adapters like the Eon Super 64 have PAL and NTSC-variants.
To me it seemed blurry, like if the cable introduced a smoothing filter, or was taking s-video or composite signal instead of RGB. Saturns do not need to be modded to output RGB. Hm... I wonder why they went with tapping into the lower video quality
I don't believe it's tapping into RGB, pretty sure it's S video
@@RoXolid yeah. They should have done that. Woulda been world's better
Agreed.
These cables convert RGB from the system to HDMI. So way better than one of those AV to HDMI adapters since those adapters use composite video for the conversion. Same with the Hyperkin ps1/ps2 cables(RGB to HDMI).
Actually, these do not tap into the RGB outputs, generally they only take the composite signal and upscale that. That's why the HD Retrovision cables look superior
Yes they do use rgb. Open one up and look. Points on the motherboard are labeled RGB and I've also used these with a RGB amp in a Duo by wiring up a Din connector on the end. Same as pound and level hike cables. They all use the RGB signal and even have the same main chip inside.
Does this cable still have that reversed left and right audio channel problem that so many of these hdmi cables for the system have? The only company I know that fixed the problem with their cable is LevelHike but I don't know if other companies have fixed the problem yet.
No, avoid it.
I'm more of a CRT guy myself but for some consoles I love these type of devices, I do know what those higher end devices you mentioned are, but for some consoles either ones with poor image quality or 6th gen consoles I'd rather play on my BenQ Zowie 1124 monitor...some consoles to my eyes just don't look good on a CRT, I like using one for most 240p consoles but the Sega Genesis is beyond bad.
Yeah, not me, I am not a CRT or Scanline fan at all.
So would this work well with an elgato hd game capture?, because I have a tv but it doesn't support 240p through HDMI because when I connect it to the capture device it shows up on my capture software but on my TV it shows "no signal", also does the cable upscale the 240p signal to 420p or 720p?
It will do exactly that for you! It will upscale to 720P
@@RoXolid ah thanks a bunch man, I might consider picking this up for gameplay streams
@@dandrawsit4915 of course, that's what I'm here for!
Hey hey bro what’s up it’s straight up I seen your email about the string out that’s being sent from Chinese sellers from amazon. lol
Nice channel by the way because I came by from seeing your channel name on the email bro. I just subscribed.
Bob from retro rgb claims that a analog to digital converter box is better than these hyperkin cord solutions. I have a hyperkin cord for my Wii and I get horizontal scrolling lines on my tv.
It's a horse a piece really. I prefer these to the AV2HDMI adapters since I've noticed less noise on the cables than the converter boxes
RoXolid Productions have you tried the hyperkin one for Wii? Defenetly not less noise there.
@@swungsolid I have not. I know the AV2HDMI boxes I've tried here on the channel all introduce a lot of RF noise
RoXolid Productions yeah I told my friend if he gets a converter box make sure you ask around in a Facebook group so you don’t get something that Makes the experience worse
How can we trust hyperkin when they used s-video for SNES it has RGB they decided to not use it Is their consoles the same ? what a turn off
Not all SNES consoles support RGB.
Does this upscale the games with a 240p signal? It looks like a 480i output in the video.
It outputs 720P, so that may be compression from either the capture device, my render, or UA-cam Compression you're seeing.
Today, which is the best: Hiperskin or Pound?
Is go with the LevelHike actually
you made a vid last month and does that bluetooth adapter work with the adjustable charging stand for nintendo switch ?
Yup, saw your comment and replied. No, the passthrough is on the side not the bottom for the USB power so it will not work with the Adjustable Charging Stand. 0
thxs for the help !
@@MrCrazee360 Of Course!!
Does it have the same effect as a s-video to HDMI adapter? I'm on the fence on buying this cause the results may be the same!
I've not tried that so I can't say. I will say this is probably less expensive than the S-Video-to-HDMI converter plus a cable itself.
@@RoXolid Ok. Maybe I'll get it next month. Thank you for the fast reply!
Thanks so much!! I was looking for a way to play my play Saturn without dropping 400 on a framemeister.
Completely get that!
For $20 more pretty soon the rad2x will be the thing to get. You gonna get and show off Gary?
We shall see, it is something that I am definitely aware of and keeping an eye out for
Thank you for making this video! I currently use a SCART-to-HDMI converter and think this might look better!
Better than a cup of coffee!
Does this work on japanese saturn consoles?
I would think so, NTSC and NTSC-J can normally share accessories, it's going to PAL where you can sometimes run into issues.
Hi would a HDMI cable work on a Sega Saturn ram cartridge?
You mean if you used the RAM cart? Yes, I had one in mine
Has anyone been able to.make a direct internal hdmi solution yet? I have my dreamcasted modded with dchdmi mod
Nothing at this point. The best can do is RGB SCART through the RetroTink 5X
I buy it and the LAG is very important, impossible to play correctly.
I did not experience much, if any, lag issues. Did you set your TV to game mode?
@@RoXolid thanks a lot ! That's good , Big thanks !!!!
@@GRFX19 You're welcome
has anyone tried the retrovision component cables and compared them to this?
Yes, HD Retrovision cables yield better results
@@RoXolid oh ok so better off just using those on my HDTV since it has compnent input? Ive only really used them on my standard CRT
@@micdagoat19 Check the HD Retrovision site, there's a test for compatibility you need to do before you buy to make sure they work. But yes, these look better.
Nice! And what could be the best HDMI converter for the Dreamcast?
The DCHDMI would be the best, as seen here: castlemaniagames.com/collections/frontpage/products/dchdmi-kit-dreamcast-hdmi-mod-kit
Is it better than using a scart?
It is not, SCART will look much better IMO
Dude... play some 3D games. This is not an accurate representation of the cables capabilities if you play 3 games that are nearly identical 2D sprite based games.
There are very, very few 3D games on the saturn
@@ZimtikiBar There are a TON of 3D games on the Saturn, I own the entire US collection. House Of The Dead, Die Hard Arcade, Panzer Dragoon 1, 2 & Saga, Virtua Cop 1& 2, Virtua Fighter 1 & 2, Fighting Vipers, Sonic R, Nights: Into Dreams, Pandemonium, Quake, Virtual On, Tomb Raider, Burning Rangers, Sonic Jam, Croc, Daytona USA, Sega Rally, etc... the list goes on and on.
I have the ponds and Hyperkin ones, sometimes it's the games that are the issue, they'are just too old, I have some that look great and others that look bad. So it's a hit and miss.
pound clone
image is too soft and without pixels
It is pretty similar to the Pound system, I think they use similar vendors
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