Phantom Thread - Exploring The Twisted Relationship
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2018
- Thanks for watching! This week's video essay is a look into Paul Thomas Anderson's Phantom Thread and the twisted relationship between Reynolds and Alma.
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Movie like this doesn't need any Oscar. This is and will be timeless classic and masterpiece. We, people who loves great movies, knows it.(sorry for my grammar)
It won an Oscar for costume design. It was also nominated for best picture, director, Actor and supporting actress
As a cast member, I'm delighted to find this very intelligent, interesting, and thoughtful review. Regards, Ian Harrod.
ian london just watched the film today. Absolutely stunning
ian london You did a wonderful job in this role. I just loved the sound in this scene and how it trails to the next
:) 🇨🇦
@D. Hodson Thank you so much 😎🎥
ian london you’re definitely committed to this joke
4:09 woah there you are, Ian!
I love this film, it's fucking hilarious!!
the dinner scene is a masterpiece in and of itself, it's simultaneously funny, disturbing and tense... and Jonny Greenwood was robbed, his score is an all-timer.
The Shape of Water score was pretty great, but I totally agree it was awesome!
Lou Bloom I better check every corner of my room in case I'm ambushed by fucking asparagus!
Shape of Water is one of Desplat's weaker scores and it pales in comparison to Greenwood's imho
I thought I was the only one laughing out loud at times throughout the film. 😂
I totally disagree that making a dress "out of passion, not financial gain" is rare for him, and that the last person he did it for was his mother. It seems like something he does for every girl he's interested in, I thought that was obvious during the entire scene.
Exactly, that is why his sister was there in one of the scenes to help Woodcock take Alma's measurements. They have done this many times before, it seems.
I think the point might’ve been that the dress wasn’t commissioned by any sort of client and instead was made likely for free.
I dunno, I think passion may be involved but not REAL passion. Not something he has for the girl we follow through the whole picture.
So you’re saying he was interested in the lady with the green dress getting married to the dominican dude that passed out? I don’t think so….
@@multiplepassions3694 How do you think that’s what being mentioned here? Obviously the post is about making the dress (taking her measurements for it) for Alma on their first date
How Vicky Krieps didn't get an Oscar nom I will never understand
The oscars are shit and those who still follow it are fools.
Because she wasn't at all good? She portrays the character as snippy and rude.
Ask Gwyneth Paltrow why she won an Oscar
@@cinemonger1270 Harvey Weinstein is why she won
For real, she was a highlight for me in the movie.
This film took quite a dark turn indeed! It's like a tale of a narcissist and a sociopath's toxic relationship.
I felt the same way when I looked at it. So I watched it again and came to that conclusion. NPD relationship. It was surreal. I will look at it again and again. I loved when she told him he needed to settle a bit.
@@nanoryalambert5238 who was the Narcissict -him or her - in your opinion? or both?
@@VladaPechenaya He was in my opinion....she just developed 'coping techniques' in order to deal with him because she loved him.
Exactly my thoughts! I almost yelled narcissist at my screen watching him act the way he did. But then she started manipulating him in one of the most psycho ways to get him the way she wanted him…and in the end he just voluntarily let her! Which kinda made him a masochist as well I suppose
@@YvieT81 hence why in the end they were perfect for each other.
Love this movie and this video. Small correction. He makes a dress for all his love interests. When his sister breaks up with the first woman in the movie, she tells her she can keep her dress. It’s his way of controlling and containing his love interests then putting them to rest.
Agree it's up there with PTA's best. For me it's his most moving too. And after seeing it a few times now I don't even see the relationship as twisted, just truthful!
Definitely, it perfectly fits into the overarching message of his films (as you pointed out).
This is my 5th favourite movie of his, which goes to show how great a director he is lol
Aaron Nichols Same! I gotta put Master, TWBB, Boogie Nights and Magnolia above this, but this is just as great!
Even though this video is already a couple of months old, I will give my two cents for it:
Good capture of the nature of the movie. However, I would like to add something you basically forget: His relationship to his mother, better said the symbolism of his mother, which is like most obvious tool he uses to show us the character of Reynolds. He searches for the warmth and security of a parent (mother) and tries to fill this hole in his life by control of the environment and his life by perfection. You can see how disturbed and how uncomfortable he gets when suddenly he starts to chase Alma down to the party because of his feelings for her (maybe jealousy or trying to protect her) and realizes his vulnerability. He can't be vulnerable because then "somebody takes the corner of my room", as he put it in the dinner scene.
So, only when he has to get vulnerable, and there is no other way than being weak (by getting sick) he starts to let himself fall in the warmth and security of another person - remembering of the security and warmth of his mother.
This is my view, nonetheless I really liked your vid!
Very well said.
@ManoLorca I agree. Alma even says after she's poisoned him, "He is like a baby". Very Freudian subtext to this film!
I'm 5 years late and just watched the movie, but I agree totally with this assessment!
I find this channel fascinating because you always interpret things so differently from the way I or the people I talk to do. For example I didn't think that him making that dress at the beginning was something at all unique to her. I thought it was very clear based on the way we are introduced to the girl that comes before Alma that he has a pattern of finding and discarding muses. The way it was shot and acted showed all the signs that this was a systematic approach that Reynolds has perfected over the years. Until she starts actively defying him I don't think she was any more special to him than any of the other girls have been. I also don't think that Reynolds is motivated by what other people think of him at all, otherwise he wouldn't be so childish and rude to everyone around him. He's motivated by his mother and by a desire for stability and control which he gets by making dresses and telling people what to do.
I think you're right about the muse aspect, but I would argue they are all each singularly special to Reynolds, until they aren't. He enjoys the honeymoon phase, so to speak. Alma finds a way to remain relevant beyond that.
I agree with you Brandon. I actually really like Reynolds as a character, I'm drawn to him, and he fascinates me. I also enjoy the relationship between him and Alma, not everything has to be on a bed of roses, and I loved the development of it throughout the movie.
The first time I heard about this film I believed it was a superhero movie, like "phantom threat" or maybe a bond movie title, Bond vs The Phantom Threat, and then Shirley Bassay starts singing PHAAANTOOM THREAAAAAAAT
You got something VERY different!
Metal Gear Solid
I was wondering how often Reynolds was 'under the influence' during the film too. He sees a vision of his Mother while ill, so it is not a jump to think the mushrooms have psychedelic properties. It only dawned on me that he could be often under the influence frequently when he goes to the New Years Eve party. Wow, that set piece is beautiful....all those animal heads, if that is not a hint at Reynolds having a bit of a 'trip', I'm not sure what is! That scene also reminded me of The master, the first thing that came to my head while watching was Lancaster Dodd doing his 'man is not an animal..' bit. Like Reynolds sewing messages in to his dresses, PTA is sewing little messages in to the film.
HELLO
You've obviously never been to a Chelsea Arts Ball.
I thought it was so well made but was appalled at the dynamics of the relationship....I was completely shocked.
I was really drawn to the dynamics. I could see myself in both characters.
yeah its kind of crazy to have such a crazy relationship like this but i feel that this deeply intimate movie uses the romanticizing of this relationship in order to sort of try to give you a view of how the characters feel. it sort of puts this filter over the movie to kind of trick you into thinking this is a beautiful relationship like how the characters see it but deep down you know this is not good.
Well that was the whole point of the film.
I feel the film creates such interesting ambiguity that it leaves the viewer unable to judge whether their relationship actually “works.” If it DOES work, then it’s indeed in a twisted way. I mean, if I dated someone and knew they had intentionally poisoned me I’d have to walk away, but if we think metaphorically sometimes we end up with people who poison us emotionally yet there is something that keeps us there. In short, I have no f***ing idea.
@@robfalgiano😂😂😂 art
Phantom Thread is cinema at its absolute finest
The best of the BP nominees from 2017!!
Agree
The Master and Phantom Thread are the two best films of the decade, IMO.
They're definitely up there for me too. I'd probably give it to Birdman and Shame as the two best, but these two are both up there too!
I agree, and there will be blood is the best movie from the previous decade
Mulholland Drive is the best film of the previous decade, but There Will Be Blood is a close second. I agree on The Master, though.
Y’all are sleeping on inherent vice.
Also her.
I listened to many interpretation videos but finally this one is really reaching the point. Thank you!
I feel like Phantom Thread is a sort of anti-Magnolia in how restrained it is. It's a movie that, bar some f-bombs and what have you, could easily have gotten a PG-13 rating, and a light one at that. It's missing some obvious Anderson tropes, but it still focuses on Anderson's central theme of how two people can find happiness in each other. It's strange, because in his previous films the main relationships tended to shift between healthy and abusive, keeping the two elements separated to a degree, whereas in Phantom Thread the relationship between Reynolds and Alma turns out healthy *because* it is mutually abusive. That's a very unorthodox dynamic, and I can see some people finding issue with it, not without good reason. At the same time that's what makes it so troubling and yet so endearing to me, because it makes sense that these unusual people would need an unusual dynamic in order to work out. Regardless, it's a great film that will probably only creep up my ranking of Anderson's films with time.
The film was magical for me. I saw it twice in the theater. My Foolish Heart ❤️ sequence and the soundtrack swept me away and broke my heart.
Another great video of such a beautiful film by one of the best directors alive!Thanks
Great analysis! PT Anderson adds so much depth and subtext to his films that it's fun to explore and analyze. This is up there with my favorite of his films but it's under There Will Be Blood and The Master. Despite that all of his films are underrated masterpieces
Underrated? TwBb is best film of the century on almost all film best-of lists :D
Beautifully put together, thank you
i am so certain this movie will be my favorite of all time by the end of my life. i see so much of myself in reynolds and it truly breaks my heart. this movie is so amazing and i’m glad i was on acid my first watch it rlly opened me up emotionally to the themes and cinematography and relationships
Another great video! I was really excited by the idea of you covering this, and you didn't disappoint.
Thanks Ethan!
She Deserved The Oscar.
Love your analysis!
I'm so glad you did this. I absolutely loved this film and love hearing your essays.
Such a good video!
Really good analysis!!
Very good review. Thank you.
Merry Christmas, Daniel!
Beautiful video
Love this film so so so much!!
You and me both!
After I have finished watching the movie, I did not understand it, I've enjoyed it and liked it, yet I did not understand it. I searched through youtube for a review, watched some, but they did not help. Until this one. Thank you for the great work.
You sold me on this movie. I'll be sure to check it out!
Enjoy!
Couldn't WAIT for you to have a look at this one Jack. I listen to the soundtrack quite a lot on its own. Thanks for another amazing video, keep them coming
Thanks Tom! Will do!
Haven't yet watched "Phantom Thread", though it has been on my list of Must Watch since its' release, and after learning Daniel Day-Lewis has officially retired as an actor, which is sad to be honest, it's all the more the reason to do so! :D Awesome analysis as always!
Also the fucking soundtrack is amazing and should’ve won best original soundtrack.
Goddamn that was good. That totally changed my perception of the movie. Please start making videos again.
This film is just so beautiful
Greenwood was robbed man, the score has points that are legitimately up their with Debussy's great works.
She buttered the frick out of that toast
I didn't necessarily like this movie but surely can appreciate it.
Fantastic film. Must watch.
I didn’t even notice the butter symbolism! Great analysis
Brilliant analysis
Thank you!
Haven`t seen the movie yet. The story doesn`t seem like much, when read as a synopsis, but after your usual (great) analysis I am positive that this is a fantastic movie about the human condition with incredibly nuanced performances and a gorgeous 1950s period look and feel. They say this is Day Lewis final performance before he retires. Well I hope he will change his mind. Thanks or sharing your great insight as always!
You summed it up perfectly! A great exploration of humanity performed by some great actors. I'm hoping this won't be his last performance, but if it is, he went out on a high note!
Someone should explain to me the reason why I find this movie so relatable. I saw it and i'm having feelings I can't explain
Superb, dark film. Great analysis as well.
Hi. PTA is one of my favourite directors but I wasn't taken by this movie. Thank you for the review.
At the time of its release, Phantom Thread was predictably labeled a piece about toxic masculinity. Such croppage is common in mainstream (and even scholarly) publications as they adhere more and more to trendy topics of a given period. Six years later the story's branches are lot easier to identify. The main relationship in the film is a classic case of narcissist and co-dependent. Reynolds Woodcock (the latter noun is hardly coincidence) hosts a revolving door of women (fuel), triangulates each of these relationships with his sister (and main flying monkey) Cyril, and uses his profession (art) as a cover for the balance of his emotional distance and abuse. What makes Alma different is the understanding that she'll eventually be discarded and replaced. See her quote: "whatever you do, do it gently" or "I'm waiting for you to get rid of me". She knows what's at play yet is still taken by the built-in lovebombing in dating one of London's most sought after designers. Who wouldn't be? Despite her instincts, Alma challenges Reynolds with verbal quips and consistently attempts to detour his strict work/life routine. Fortunately for the audience, there's an absurd charm within Reynolds' rigid pretense. Is there a genuine gentleman deep down? Or has this act simply been refined with time like his art? It seems paint by numbers: an invitation to an elegant dinner, modeling Alma for a dress, the walk along a gorgeous landscape of the countryside, refraining on the first night (or until there's clear signal) but cutely pulling her toward him into his room on the second. And so on. It's no surprise that the very next morning after they consummate, Reynolds berates Alma for buttering her toast too loudly. In fact, he compares it to riding a horse through his dining room; a shot to her social status in contrast to his. Over time Alma quickly learns that it's probably best to immediately find a withdrawn, upset Reynolds and shower him with apology. It gets to a point where Woodcock doesn't even have to say anything as Alma acts as if she knows what's going on his mind. "Allow me to drive" is very reminiscent of Cyril's suggestion that he leave for the countryside a night early while she handles his dirty work in Joanna. All of these women are forced to interpret this silent treatment as "what would
Reynolds most like at this very moment and how can I grant him such?" The plot veers from reality as it tries to rehabilitate Reynolds with Alma's pure love (or undying desperation, take your pick). Who else would marry someone that is only bearable whilst on their deathbed? Sadly, I'm not sure that's even enough for a narcissist to take responsibility for anything, let alone their abuse. PT Andersen deceptively tugs on the audience's heart strings with the allure of 50's British etiquette and glamour where a dress and tuxedo is suitable for every restaurant, everything is candle lit, and set to omnipotent evening solo piano. The initial manner of the upper class presents itself as quiet, gentle, and respectful of space. Beneath the obvious, the audience clamors for Alma to accept Reynolds' marriage proposal. She stalls (and we feel it) only to accept (and boy do we feel that too). Would you?
You should do a video on Tarkovsky’s film “ *Stalker* “ , very good film.
One of my top 3
Can we get another video in a similar style to the shame one? I know it's a lot of effort but it's really interesting to listen to! (Great vid by the way)
Those are very tough to make-it essentially is 2 or 3 weeks worth of work. I definitely hope to do more, but am unsure when I'll have more time...
Jack's Movie Reviews K it's cool man good you=good vids keep it up
When I saw the movie I only saw it beacuse it was nominated at the oscars, I had already heard the score, but only that I didnt knew who was PTA and only knew that Daniel is an acclimed actor. This is the best movie of the year, the score is in my top 5 and I'm gonna watch PTA movies.
Screw best movie of the year, best of the decade, the only movie that I think could top this film is The irishman, I know it wont come out until 2019, but were talking about a Scorsese crime gangster film, with De Niro, Pacino, Pesci, and Keitel so the film has a lot of potential, and the guy who wrote it has a lot of talent.
Or maybe just like with this movie the best will be another one I have no expectations.
please, PLEASE review *Gattaca* and *The Proposition* , both are criminally underappreciated masterpieces of 90's cinema, and both have so much to say on not only their respective genres, but humanity as a whole.
Still yet to see the movie, but I'm definitely going to since PTA is one of my all time favorite directors. Just wondering, is PTA one of your all-time favorite filmmakers? If so or not, who are your favorites at this point in time?
I think Kubrick really is the stanly Kubrick of our day. Much like Kubrick his style just evokes a specific emotion that’s impossible to describe and yet instantly recognizable. He’s also obviously a great director,thats part of it.
You are a genius
This was a truer depiction of a BDSM relationship than the horrifying abuse-porn that was 50 Shades. A good complement to Secretary (if you've never seen that, watch it and you'll easily understand my comparison).
Truly insightful analysis.My only point of disagreement is that Alma has been feeding him mushrooms before his collapse. If she had, there would be no contrast between his former insufferable self and his post collapse "rebirth" self.
I smiled for the whole movie
Stupid to assume she's poisoned him multiple times throughout the film when it is never mentioned or hinted at. Nice vid!
In my opinion, he knew deeply that he was a weak person because he couldn’t manage his manners alone or perhaps because he was too demanding of what to eat, drink etc etc.. in which he lacked any capacity to cope with normal daily circumstances unless it is put down the way he wants, this bothering weakness is something I suffer too, which is why I relate to him and it’s why I too would be attracted to a person like emma, she embraces mess which is a power I have no potential for. Yet, even after, things don’t settle down, putting two people of inherently different ways in which both of them can’t change for the other and doesn’t have to do so creates ambiguous conflicts.
This was the only blu ray i've ever pre-ordered. I love it so much. PTA and Lewis need to team up again. But if they don't, we have this as their swan song
they're together in There Will Be Blood as well
this is a very good analysis but, and this is a testament to the film, i think you vastly oversimplified a few aspects of the relationship.
Astute analysis
i don't agree that Alma controls him in the end. I think its just the process that matters. She needed to break his ego. I believe that after Reynolds realises that Alma's been poisoning him, and she confesses in spectacular fashion (no pun intended :D), the poisoning is no longer necessary. Either way, I don't think that she becomes the dominant, only he realises that he needs her, and he'll never find another woman who will be equal to him, and accepts her as so. And also through the hallucinations by poison, he achieves closure with the ghost of his mom. A "ghost" he probably made many of his ex lovers in the house... Who knows, maybe some of them still work there.
“Mastering the self”. Do you think PTA knew that this was the running theme he wanted to explore at the beginning of his career?
The film is a clever tale about S&M.
Please do not put visual spoilers for other movies without a warning. Consider using the description for that!
Why would you watch an analysis for a film you haven’t seen?
Sorry, I mean the other PTA movies mentioned near the end. I want to watch The Master since that one wasn't shot by Elswit, and it makes me curious!
Oh. The Master is his best film, and one of the 20 best of all time.
There was no visual spoiler that I saw for The Master.
In regards to the question asked I would have to say no it's not acceptable to do something negative so in the future something positive happens.
Take gaming for example. I love video games but I'm not a fan of the Dark Souls series. I played and beat the first game and the whole negatives of having to fight and die a million times until I was finally able to beat a boss and receive a positive out of it just wasn't worth it in my opinion and as a result I have no interest in playing 2 or 3.
Alma and Reynolds putting themselves through the abuse(negative)just so they can realize they love each other later on(positive)in my opinion just isn't worth it. Their entire relationship is going to be one of mainly abuse with few fleeting moments of positivity.
Any kids they bring into the world are most likely going to be either on the receiving end of said abuse or subject to watching their parents do it to one another so that's just going to fuck up any kids they have.
Both Alma and Reynolds are absolutely horrible people with one being a sociopath and the other being an elitist douchebag. This movie should be used as a learning tool to show what abuse looks like in a relationship and when to walk the fuck away.
Exactly!! I was waiting to read a comment like that. It's a great movie, but the characters are 'f....ed up'. She sought to wait n manipulate her way when the signs of abuse were there from the beginning. She could have left but she did not. One would never wish a daughter to do that!! n the whole mushroom thing is so off!! How do they trust each other I wonder n kids!!!
Very much true!
It's my personal favorite of his, but I'm also a romantic by nature.
The sickness brings humility to Reynolds. So he chooses the pain in order to remain in a state of gratitude. Inflicting physical pain for spiritual gain is what I also do every day I wake up early and destroy my body in the gym. I inflict the pain because my flesh is weak and I can be a b$*ch really fast like Reynolds. I don't think their relationship is sick. A sick relationship to me is like the one from leaving Las Vegas. Also isn't Alma giving him shrooms? 🤟
If you love cinema, you'll love the unfortunately named Phantom Thread. This is PTA's best movie since There Will Be Blood.
When I read the synopsis, I was so fascinated by it; I could swear I would love it.
I watched it, and hated it. Reynolds is a man-child; Alma should've jumped ships.
Wow
After watching Phantom Thread and The Killer I think both actors could've switched movies and nothing would've changed. Same personas
Bruh, that’s a tough order to remember
This is not how I viewed this movie at all. I'm in love with this movie, the movie I see from my point of view that is.
You left out how she is with him when they take the dress back. How she defends his work, how they’re on the same page with that.
Good movie just fucked up. People are crazy. What ever happened to normal relationships!
Just finished this film for the first time 😂the toxicity
s&m this story is
"They're *Co-Dependant!"*
i feel it's just an updated and more mature version of the beauty and the beast, just saying.
Kshitij Kamble hahah in a way, yes.
In a weird way
How we become masters of our life's ?
Does anyone besides me see that this movie is a remake of My Fair Lady and Pretty Woman--perhaps with much deeper emotional content but nevertheless the same story. Man meets and "fashions" girl into his vision of the perfect woman and then falls in love with her. The primary give-away being when DDLewis says that Alma can go back where she came from.
You know I wondered why she was so joyful and smiling everytime he got sick 😂 She was doing witchcraft on that man he was right when he pleaded for his sister help. He was on Shrooms lol 😂
After I watched this, I tried the same thing on my boyfriend but it didn't turn out so well.
So what can he do do for her.
She poisons him twice. Not more than that.
Agreed!
I feel like there's something much larger to this movie. They're constantly cutting back to alma talking about how Reynolds is this unstoppable force. Let's not forget how old and wealthy Reynolds is in the movie. He doesn't need love and there's a very prominent scene where he wants to dismiss alma to make "the house" of woodcock great. (he's talking to his sister whom I think you should've discussed more).
Let's go back to Reynolds and why he loves Alma. I think it's much more primitive. Alma represents the ultimate mother figure. What does he miss? What does Alma want to do for him most?
If you listen to Alma near the end of the movie, she almost describes him as God. "living in HIS world" "I can see the past future and present". I believe PTA is bringing a more spiritual view of relationships. Reynolds is God and Alma is Shiva. She destroys and recreates God and the world as they see fit. She's only there to judge and nurture the failure of God
They're both tragic characters and when you describe them as "twisted" you undermind their brilliancy
But it's a good video. Way better movie
Pretty much me and wife’s relationship 😂
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"it begs the question"...when you meant "it prompts the question"...
Nothing in life is gained without sacrifice.
#staytoxic
What are you doing?
They are both very creepy .Great acting though
Phantom Thread makes me laugh more than most so called comedies.
I disagree with your interpretation. Great movie.