Exactly.. Plus they will remove more useful features and make it even more difficult to use any browser other than Edge. Win 11 was Win 10 with Less freedom and features
@hawky2k215 agreed. Many of the creators I am subscribed to are good about making sure their content has captions enabled (but I did come across one that looked interesting but NONE of her videos are captioned! Grr). I think the worst are those who repost clips from TV shows and movies!
I personally wish they would switch to a 5-year major release model, with 3 years of feature updates, and 10 years of security and bug fix updates. This would give them more time to polish their new releases, rather than releasing them in an incomplete and buggy state. We all remember how the first release of Windows 10 and Windows 11 worked out. Even now, Windows 11 is getting updates that break things.
this is so true. I would either want this, or a completely revamped rolling release system, kinda like what you see with a lot of linux distros (e.g. arch, gentoo, void, etc.) -- so you would never have to deal with all the stress of a **new, maybe completely different and scary update** (i cant get markdown syntax to work...?) :)
Yeah, there must be a written rules that all desktop operating system must be supported for at least 10 years. We don't want a perfectly capable computers to ended up in e-waste bin so quick because of short software support (just like the Chromebooks that only has 5-7 year support, and become completely unusable after the EOL date)
anyone remember when they said 10 will be the last number and everything else will be built on top of it. I am not even ready for 11 so 12 is too far away for me.
Retail releases of Windows are similar to Windows server. Windows 7=Server 2008 then theres Server 2012 and Windows 8/8.1. Next came Windows 10=Server 2016 then theres Server 2019 and Windows 10 S. Next came Windows 11=Server 2022. See the trend here?
@@GARTZ09 Liking it is a bit much, I can live with it, but would prefer Win7. I will just take and keep Microsoft at its word. Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ... I will use or support for my family, if I can't use or support it anymore, I'll switch to Linux.
Personally, I'll probably stick to Windows 10 as long as possible. If or when I switch to Windows 12, I will be turning off as much AI features as possible. I like Windows to be lean and as bloat free as possible. I don't want AI second guessing everything you do and hogging resources, not to mention the likelihood that telemetry will get even more invasive.
I will just take and keep Microsoft at its word. Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ... I will use or support for my family, if I can't use or support it anymore, I'll switch to Linux.
@Anthony-ku2bb 10 wasn't horrible, although there are a ton of things I wish it hadn't had. The only thing I can still say is "at least it isn't Mac or Ubuntu", but that's probably going to mean nothing soon.
Yes, what we definitely need is an AI scrubbing through our files and sending the data to Microsoft. I'm sticking to Windows 10 and probably finally switching to linux after that since gaming finally starts to be viable.
Yes, they definitely need to somehow encrypt you AI usage data to make sure that didn’t happen. I am also sticking to windows 10 since I know it so well and I don’t like how overly simple windows 11 is.
I used to be a great fan of Windows with version 7 being my favorite. Then I was forced to "upgrade" to version 10 because MS dropped support for 7. I worked hard to strip away Cortana, Edge (I use Firefox), and other bloatware from Win 10, but they periodically came back via updates that were forced upon me. I became so fed up that a few months ago I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon, and I couldn't be happier. I am really amazed how Windows-like this Linux distro is, but in a really good way. No spyware, no adware, no forced upgrades, and it is free and open source. Instead of MS Office, I am using LibreOffice which reads and write files in MS Office format. It too is free and open source. There are also free equivalents for several Adobe products like Photoshop. My only regret is that I didn't switch sooner. The nice thing about Linux distros is that you can boot from a USB flash drive and run it without installing so you can decide if you like it or not before doing an installation.
Thank you for a great overview of what is coming - that said - I have been working with and monitoring Microsoft since 1983, yes DOS days and like - One thing I noticed is, always as HW is beefed up it follows with OS that less robust and less optimized; as time pass and OS evolves, the developers began to focus on look-n-feel rather than performance and optimization until today as you can see. What we should expect in this 21st Century is, a smart OS (in today's words) an AI OS that can heal itself, that can generate a logical prediction by giving facts to determine who is logged in, what they need to access, and to achieve it seamlessly. additionally, an OS analyzes its environment (HW capability, SW process demands, network resources present) to provide its user with all needed resources; likewise, the OS will know its network capacity and shortcoming, and establish maximum transfer channels between storage, internet, and streaming. So you see, all these bells and whistles make no sense when it comes to productivity; we haven't seen anything like that, and that is because they are short-sighted in this area.
Gone are the days of slow but groundbreaking developments, where the primary focus was the user experience rather than rushing to meet release schedules. The emotional connection that users formed with Windows XP and the satisfaction of thoroughly exploring an operating system at their own pace.The longer gaps between releases allow for a more polished and groundbreaking outcome. As a developer, I feel that this shift may prioritize refinement over revolutionary leaps.There was a time when companies seemed to have a genuine passion for creating exceptional experiences for their users and the progress wasn't solely driven by monetary motives.
@@2k7u That's not something most normies know how to do, or even are aware of. Tech-capable people like us would probably switch, but few others. It's not like you're gonna see Ubuntu or Mint on store shelves.
Windows 10 is pushing 8 years old now. I get a feeling that it may end up being the "next XP" in terms of users holding on to the OS. I now completely understand why so many people refused to move on from XP....as someone born in 2005, I've used Windows 10 for the better three-quarters of my computer experience. I've gotten comfy and used to the way Windows 10 works and looks, and moving will take some time.
I still miss XP. I have had windows 10 for years, but never been comfortable with it. A simple, basic windows OS is all i want, and i don't really know what to do now.
move to Linux MInt LOL. i've used it since 2015 and haven't needed windows since. Some windows software that you might want to run on it will require some tricky configurations, but the linux community is quite helpful for things such as that.
@@daomingjin "the linux community is quite helpful for things such as that" Uh, not really, no. Linux community has anything but the end-user in mind when creating software. Most apps I had to install on Linux distros (mostly RHEL-based and Debian-based) for over 15 years of my career as an IT Admin (Linux included) weren't as easy as in Windows (i.e. double-click the binary and then next, next, finish), but required a lot of googling (software manuals weren't enough), a lot of asking on StackOverflow, ServerFault etc. and often it was a dead-end (i.e. it didn't work for some reason and no one was able to figure out why). On top of that, a lot of installations either broke other previously installed software or the OS itself. IMO the container idea (Docker, LXC etc.) came just from that (i.e. the idea was to minimize the damage on the OS by a simple app installation).
@@newdiary6978 videos telling you to remove system32 to make your pc faster or tutorials how to make. 2 GB stick a 4gb stick or to download more ram etc
@@newdiary6978like really click bait thumbs teaching us to do what we already now. It was a really bad channel. But out of nothing he just started doing actually good content in a interesting way
It is truly the last version, most people are still on Windows 10 and maybe they will stay on it forever looking at the Windows 11 offering and that screenshot of MacOS wannabe that may be from Windows 12 😂
I feel like Win10 just finally got stable enough for day-to-day work and commercial applications. I also cannot imagine my company suddenly switching over to Win12 (they never even bothered with Win11 anyways) so... yeah probably gonna hang onto WIn10 for as long as I can.
IT support here. Microsoft stops releasing security updates for end of life (EOL) Windows. This forces companies to switch to latest Windows version. I have supported Windows OS switch from XP to 7. Currently, 7 to 10. Requires more memory. Soon, 10 to 11. Required Intel 8th generation or later processor. Windows 10 EOL on October 14, 2025.
@@cronostvg I regularly use an XP machine because 64-bit Excel still is not capable of correctly running some 32-bit VBA plugins. It's behind a firewall that blocks anything to and from the internet, so it's probably the most secure machine in the office. If Microsoft can't be bothered to fix security issues before they EOL an operating system, it is very unlikely that their next version is magically free of security issues. I would even be surprised if "supported" versions have fewer security issues than EOL'ed versions.
I've been running classic shell since 7 because I don't really like what Microsoft are doing with their UI. It would be nice to have that level of customisation built in and accessible
precisely this, all i want is for windows to let me customize it to my liking. W10 with classic shell is great, and the radical changes to the UI in 11 (and probably onwards) is a major turn-off.
@@czech_ring I guess that depends what desktop environment you're running. I don't have a great deal of experience there tbh to be able to comment - I mainly just use Ubuntu with GNOME when I have to Linux for work. I have to use MacOS frequently too but find Windows is still my default go-to. Classic Shell and PowerToys gets you where you want to be quite intuitively, just a shame you have to rely on additional tools to get there.
I often end up installing power toys because they often had one or two killer features that I loved. Fancy Zones is the killer app for me when it comes to Win 10.
Oh! An idea for Windows 12: Customizable buttons that take you to certain web pages, or activate certain things that you want the custom button to do. Like the comment so more people can see the idea, maybe even Microsoft. edit: i wrote this so long ago i was a noob at computers before lol
I’m guessing you’re not old enough to remember keyboards that had dedicated buttons to take you to a media player, your email and web browser and other buttons that could be programmed to take you to websites. That was circa the early 2000’s
They could also remove the need for an account. It's not like Microsoft would actually do something like this that for once wouldn't piss their users off, but you know... one can dream, right?
They won't because Windows is spyware and it doesn't care about the user, only your data that can help them make money off of you. Come to Linux, no need for online accounts here.
To me, the only noticeable difference between win10 and win11 was the crippled start menu in 11. So I sincerely hope that win12 will bring in some actual new features, not extra hadicaps to the existing functionality.
Win11 is terrible though. It runs like shit even with Edge being used, every little news thing is auto set to on and it takes forever just to shut the bullshit off, and most games can't even run on the damn thing
@Anthony-ku2bb The hilarious thing is that, apparently, the stripped out version of Windows 10 that's just the barebones to run software, is apparently pretty great for gaming.
I hope they fix their shit. I ultimately gave in 2 weeks ago and installed the free upgrade to windows 11 from 10 and it would crash my system every 5 minutes. Apparently a fairly common BSOD error with windows 11 looking at the Mircosoft help forum. Their expert on the forum asks me for my system logs and says there is something physically wrong with my RAM even though there were 0 issues before windows 11. I revert back to Windows 10 from the settings and lo everything's fine again.
@@lancevance6346 always interesting to read such different experiences. Everyone i know had 0 problems with W11 and in the comments here, i read about a plethora of crashes and issues
That and I can't have long buttons on the taskbar, just garbage icons. I have 3 folders open I gotta click the stupid icon and THEN click on the folder I want. I can't have their names and the long bars there anymore. Such a stupid thing to do, no need to remove it but they did. I CAN'T use it that way, haven't upgraded that because of this stupid issue.
@@FreeDownloadHere Right, but since CoreOS is modular, they could add a downloadable "legacy module" which contains stuff required for backwards compatibility. And if you don't need to run programs made for Windows XP, you would just not download that and have more free space & less bloat :)
It absolutely does need a revamp, but the problem is that major changes to an operating system take years to turn into a usable system. This is the real reason behind the "every second windows is good" phenomenon.
@@FreeDownloadHere The real issue is the spyware and all the bloatware running forever in the background. I have Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite and with all that backwards compatibility I can bring its RAM usage down to 0.7 GB if I run the TIW11 script and Memreduct cleaning RAM every single 10 minutes (extremely lightweight in conparison to other Windows processes). Still very much in comparison to most Linux distros, but at some point the standard Windows 10 comes to use 2.7 GB on startup. Most of the compatibility stuff is just dormant and stays unused, thus only taking space on the disk.
@@bastoscc While Microsoft COULD do this in theory, in practice, this move would piss a lot of clients in the business sector who needs their old programs to work and can't be assed to figure out just what is going on. Also, retro gamers.
Actually, the insisting of MS to upgrade to Win11, and also Win 11 insisting to not start operating until it calls home, plus insisting on downloading and installing updates whenever the OS wants... It was just too much insisting on unnecessary things, and in the end, it all forced me into finding a better solution, so after over a decade and a half of just wanting to, I finally switched to Linux about nine months ago. And I probably should've done this like 9 or 10 years ago. And I recommend everyone doing the same. I recommend Linux Mint which in my opinion is one of if not THE best choice for Windows users. It may take some time, but it's easy, and definitely pays off.
I’m most interested in the rumored immutable variant of Windows next. I’ve recently spent a month exclusively running desktop Linux, and Silverblue was one of the very few “oh gosh I wish Windows had that” moment. (other moments are swupd and routing features) It’s reassuring knowing that whatever stupidity I’m about to pull, I’m not going to leave some nasty mess deep inside my OS. (I’m a bit of a clean freak when it comes to computers, and recently after uninstalling a program I had to pull out 10+ registry keys left all over the Windows Registry) As for the AI stuff, I’m not sold. Hope they make it an optional Windows feature so it can be disabled.
Linux us great. I recommend switching full time. Back in the day it required many sacrifices, but these days you can do almost everything you could on Windows. Hell, you can even play games because Valve are amazing and invested a lot into proton and vulkan. Only games with intricate anti-cheat are still problematic, but I think one day we'll get through that as well.
Oh god yes, the immutability and every bit of software being sandboxed with no real side-effects to other software or the OS are the only things I'm excited about
I think an AI assistant could be useful as exactly that, an assistant. My biggest concern is that it could become the primary or only method of doing certain things. I'm no expert but I generally prefer to use somewhat-bare-bones-ish software where I can more easily see what failed, rather than something that holds my hand and doesn't make it easy to see what went wrong, or at what stage the task failed to execute. Also I'm not a big fan of seemingly unnecessary network connections / sign ins. Sure the whole world is online but if I want my computer to do something that it can definitely do by itself, I'd really rather not create an account and send data to some company to do it on their servers instead. It's not very resourceful and has a negative environmental impact (and often subscription fees) and regardless of steps taken to keep things safe, sending data to a server is inherently less secure than just doing the calculation locally and always will be.
as a regular AI user, i can see that most jobs won't be replaced by AI. They will be assistant at best. They might become good at one task, but it's usually too precise to be good. For example, stable diffusion can generate really beautiful drawings. But it's not that easy to tell him what to do (try to make 2 different people, it's not possible. Some make it with controlnet, but honestly this addon just scare me how i just don't understand how to use it), and if you trying to make something that he doesn't have that many data of, he is completely lost (less than 100 images on danbooru is usually not enough). And in those domain, the AI can't really progress. It would just be baby steps, unoticeable. For stable diffusion the only progress to made is for beauty, and we are starting to hit a big wall, were some images are as good as big artist. Also, for the AI necessiting network, it will be mandatory. The models like chatgpt or llama ones are around 80GB. Only professionnal video card have that much vram. You can technically use ram (if you even have 80GB of ram) or storage, but it would be much, much slower (some reports 30 seconds per words). Stable diffusion models are around 2GB, so most video card can support them. And even if they can't, you have a mode who can put it in ram. But again, it's slower) Cortana worked locally, because it was a small model. And as you can see, it's pretty bad.
They will certainly make it the main way of doing things. I loathe search searching Internet first and local files as an afterthought and when it is searching files it is still beaten by Bob, why they invented NTFS and don't use it? So I keep using Everything Search
Time to go to a brand of Linux =) But you are right. 3:35 good xp, bad vista, good 7, bad 8, good 10.... I dont know about 11 except on my work laptop which I didn't like but I do like the feature "search for Wireless monitor" in Win11. But you know what? Win10 imports modules from Win7.. You can tell because the window is the same but the TEXT is Smaller in those windows. But I am not sure if Win11 does that because I dont use it now.
They'll probably remove all the things that are sooo much better in control panel and move it to settings where half the functionality will go away. They'll force some advertising popup that will no doubt annoy you unless you log in to turn it off. THey'll disable the ability to set up a new copy of windows without using an email account. Printers and network properties are where I spend most of my support time so I imagine they'll find some way to make those almost impossible to get to in the next version of Windows. I believe there is some worthless middle management people who say let's make f'n change for the sake of change but we'll tell people it is an improvement. I know changing your printer network property required 3 clicks to get to now - instead we'll make you open up powershell (elevated of course because it is nearly useless otherwise) then just write this small 18 line script to change the IP address and reboot - isn't that easier? Don't worry we have a KB article on how to do it but in no way will we give you and idea of what is a variable and what is a part of the command by showing it with a real world example and screenshot - that would be to obvious.
Yeah I'm pretty much done with this Powershell shit. Microsoft has spent 30+ years trying to get AWAY from the command line (MSDOS) and now they're leaning hard into Powershell, which is a million times more complicated and confusing than MSDOS ever was. The reason why people don't like Linux is because of all the terminal bullshit. If Microsoft does the same thing then there really is no advantage to Linux. Linux has ironically been moving away from the terminal while Microsoft is now running face-first into it. I get that Powershell can be a useful tool for admins and power users but that should be an OPTION not a requirement. If Microsoft invented the Group Policy Editor today I guarantee you it would be added to Powershell and there would be no UI. I like the UI. It's inefficient for doing repetitive tasks with many steps but in 99% of cases it's better.
@@thelbtlover Having just switched to linux from windows, I have to say I think it's moving towards the best of both worlds honestly. Linux is getting more user friendly for casual users while having a very mature community around the command line which can make an initially intimidating task much easier to get a grip on. Before last week, I hadn't touched command line computing since a few cursory attempts back at my first job. Now I'm getting comfortably SSHing into the multiple raspberry pis I have on my home network and altering all sorts of settings. Biggest problem I had was slamming my head into the wall setting up duel boot for windows, since I may still have use cases for Win10 when I need software or games that can't run on linux. And that had more to do with not writing the GRUB.config file thoroughly and missing an important command.
I wish I had switched to linux sooner. I haven't worried about any of this since I did. There is no drama, there is no hoping a terrible company will make a good decision in spite of itself. There are some rough edges and weird bugs, but things are always getting better, and nothing ever gets worse. Updates aren't mandatory. Settings don't go back to their defaults. Anything can be uninstalled. In fewer words, I'm treated like I own the computer. I'm upset that I didn't demand that respect sooner, it was always mine for the taking. I just thought it would be too hard to switch, and I was totally wrong.
What's dumb is that at least in Windows 10, it does have transparency but it's so close to opaque with no options to change it that you barely even see it.
They won't. At least not with the same texture as Windows 7. Windows is undoubtedly heading in a very flat and minimalist direction, so even if they were to bring back aero, it would be just some milky/dark blur customizable in the same way as the accent colors for the taskbar and other UI elements
My last version of windows was 7. I think that was the best version as it did not have the telemetry (ms spying) and it was very stable. I am happily on Linux these days and ms will have to do something special for me to go back to windows (very unlikely it would seem).
Yeh I’m going to install Linux on my older PC here at some point so I can use my older computer where as my latest build is basically a games console lol I hate windows 11 so I’m still on 10 and I hate it I loved windows 7 and I’m certainly not trusting Microsoft any longer and hopefully Linux just improves which it has done over time 👍
I have tried to daily drive linux but always met a buggy experience that does not help the fact that i have been using windows for almost a decade now and do not know much about linux.
I own a Windows 11 laptop as my main computer as well as an Ubuntu ThinkPad. After college, I think I’ll switch over to daily driving Linux, possibly Arch. I’m really just done with Microsoft’s shenanigans.
As a Linux/Windows Person, i really hope that the ai stuff doesn't happen because it would really bloat the system and make it harder to use for normal users. I also just hope it gets a ui update and brings back a transparent theme (such as aero), but also keeps the taskbar idea the same; differing from "next valley" where everything changes.
We need like a classic theme for like aero/luna/classic, and maybe like a theme maker (like WindowBlinds) in which anyone can make custom themes for Windows.
Windows 11 doesn't support my taskbar on the left, quick access links were deleted and the start menu tiles were gone. So I switched back to Windows 10 after about an hour trying to fix these things. I think W11 is not meant to be for people who want to be productive it's just a skin change with many important features not yet supported.
@@CuriousConnor No it can't. You can't put the taskbar on the left side of the screen. He's not referring to the icons on the taskbar but to the taskbar itself.
Your mistake is trying to be productive. You're supposed to be feeding Windows your data so it can train its AI to be productive, and then Microsoft can sell it to you as a service once you rely on it for productivity.
Sticking to win10 as long as there are security updates. AI could be great for some, but as a developer I do know what I want and how to do it. I do not want my actions monitored, my speech recorded, my finger movements analyzed all the time.
I believe it; the last snapshot of windows 11 in the Canary Channel has provided an odd experience with the dimensions and playback times of pictures, videos, and music are removed from the Navigation Pane jn file explorer. It feels more like a beta build of Windows 11.1 or higher instead. Also, earlier this year they added the additional parameters for the OS to take more advantage of the chip you needed to run windows 11, but only directly after sunsetting support for Windows 10. They didn’t want to Develop Windows 10 to have more parameters to take advantage of the security of the Chip outside of the most basic of features, or do the bug fixes on those parameters for the older OS.
I've been a happy Linux user ever since Windows 10 came out. I miss Windows Media Center, but now Kodi works better than MC ever did. Can't say Disney Plus blinking/flashing/rotating in the Start menu is a feature I want either.
Nice! I wish more people gave Linux a shot. A lot of people still think it looks like it did 10 or 15 years ago and have no idea it's just as usable for everyday tasks as Windows is. But people are lazy and scared of change. I guess they can still run Spyware 10 or 11 or 12 if it comes out, its their choice.
@@Cavi587 the problem with Linux is that there's too many options, a fractured community arguing the benefits of their favourite distro, and being open source/freeware means that support or development can drop overnight. If there was ONE "go to" version of Linux that was a direct replacement for Windows Pro and Windows Server, and that didn't require trawling through forums or command lines to get the basics done then Linux could absolutely take off. I would love this myself as each version of Windows since 7 has gotten progressively more invasive and bloat filled. But until then Linux remain an enthusiast/niche option unfortunately.
@@img00 Yeah, I can't argue with that. I'm gonna say that it's gotten a lot better nowadays, people mostly recommend newbies like 3-4 distros, mostly based on debian/ubuntu. And I think command line isn't as scary as people make it to be, it's not even as necessary as it once was. I installed Zorin OS on my cousins PC and he's been running it for more than a year now, playing all video games he wanted to play and he never had to launch the terminal. Now, it's true that I did go into his command line when I was there, but it wasn't anything serious or critical, just made it easier for me to do some maitenance for him that he could do from the GUI as well.
@@Cavi587 oh look its another linux cultist making lies about windows and linux who does not know the different between telemetry and spyware. Plus not to mention that people don't want to spend ten hours on installing simple apps
I've read that MS is planning to make 11 & 12 only usable via cloud computing. Also, we'll have to see how much bloatware MS decides to "grace" us with.
@@servissop151 99% of the userbase is dumb as shit, they can areley use a smartphone, do you think the average user has any idea what cloud computing mean?
I was pretty happy with Win 11 at the outset. I loved the apps that ran on the desktop in Vista, I had this large 24 hour analog clock but I was eventually compelled to remove it to be “more secure”.
what I'd love to see: - proper audio routing and controls supporting mixes for different output channels (onboard, slotted or ext) - AI console: loose syntax, but deep access (although...nah, can't see anything go wrong with that at all...) - multicore support, esp. for native 1 core processes (make a 8C/16T look like the beefiest 1C/1T if needed), distribute load more evenly over all cores
I hope you're right about everything you've talked about. I am sticking with 10 for as long as possible--hopefully skipping 11 on every computer I can.
What you said about the possibility of how AI integration into W12 sounds interesting, but it also raises a lot of concern. If we could just ask AI to change settings on our machines, eventually somebody would have the idea of "let's stop putting settings where user can interact with directly", so everything would have to go through AI. As Windows users since 3.0, we know that Microsoft always hide a lot of settings from their users. Some are even necessary setting for troubleshooting or performance optimization (i.e. turning off things that MS made that make the machine run slow). Then those who need access to settings would have to pay to become "authorized trouvleshooter", just like what many corps have been trying to do with the whole issue about Rights to Repair. And if the AI is inferencing from the cloud, with so many windows users, how much compute power would their servers require? there.. the whole "energy saving" and "go green" issue 🤣 On the other hand, if the AI is inferencing locally, how big the installation would be? And if technology keep going toward what people have been predicting, i.e. game with AI NPCs, then gamers would need a lot of computing power, which would have to be shared with windows' AI. Then we'd have to find ways to turn off the AI LOL. I remember back in early 2020s, I saw that there were about 6 or 8 instances of Edge sitting on my VRAM (and I don't even use Edge) and it took me quite a while to find out how to make them stay on RAM, because I needed as much VRAM as possible to play games and do machine learning. Lastly, there's some issue about learning. We learned what we learned because there were times when we couldn't find somebody to ask, so we had to do some trial and error, but in the end we learned something. If we always have AI over our shoulder to ask/tell what to do with our machines, I think future generations would be lacking in terms of learning experience. Please note that I'm not against AI, I'm against irresponsible use of technology, AI or otherwise 🙂
In my opinion regarding settings, all they had to do was a well working search in the system settings and a half-organized structure for these settings. They failed to do both of them (as a whole, some sections work well). Starting with Win Vista up to Win 10 they just progressively kept moving settings from the old system settings (which still exists) to PC settings for no reason. Now they expect it to be better with AI. I doubt it, it will be the same thing as a search, just with a button appearing in chat instead of the search results. Especially all those ancient dialogs (which are burried in some minimalistic light grey text appearing on the side) will be impossible to properly be indexed in any way unless they redo them in the new style.
Yeah, that's what I'm worrying about, if Microsoft pushing their AI to us just like what they did with Cortana. Cortana brought more problem than it solved. Once in an online meeting, the speaker is a computer illiterate, snd in the middle of the talk, Cortana kept answering him, it took quite a while with the help from the audience to guide him how to turn it off. What a waste of time. At least I hope if Microsoft introduced the AI, they'd give the option not to install it during the installation stage.
Microsoft has been limiting what you can do with Windows for YEARS now, AI is not needed, they were already spying on you and collecting your data. AI will only allow them to do that more efficiently. AI can be a great tool when used well, but I don't trust Microsoft one bit. Just ditch the Spyware OS and come to the Linux side, we have freedom here and every feature of our OS can be bent to our will. You don't like a feature? You can cut it from the OS. You want an additional feature? You can add it.
I'd like to see an operating system that's so solid it doesn't need monthly updates. I have to question if the UI changes are really an improvement, or just there to keep programmers employed.
As someone who works in the industry, I have to say the UI changes are far from an improvement. Visually - yeah, they look nicer. Functionality-wise, it's hot garbage.
@@Finger112 I realize that's what we've come to expect - but does it have to be that way? How about coding in a language that does a better job of checking the inputs and preventing buffer overflow? It seems like many fixes are "same problem, different module".
I think it won't end at 2025, they will definitely extend it by at least 2 years just because so many people are still on windows 10. I think the 2025 date is to get people to switch.
I just want a real start menu and right click functionality without getting 3rd party apps or registry edits. 11’s biggest sin, at least in my book, was trying to streamline their UI too much across all versions. Why wouldn’t the Pro version have expanded UI elements as at least an option?
I'd be sticking to win 10 untill I know that I can still have control in a newer version of windows like disabling telemetry and control around what and when system updates get applied. And no advertising in the OS either. In the scenario that its not obtainable anymore and win 10 becomes too much of a security risk, I would probably just give in and switch to linux instead.
@@CPUGaming No, you can't. If you have the "home" or "professional" version of Windows it always sends "required" telemetry. No matter what you do. Editing the registry doesn't help (which is what 3rd party tools often do). Using the GPE doesn't do anything either. There is a setting in the GPE that seemingly allows you to disable telemetry and so it gives you the false impression that it can be done. But it doesn't work. Windows doesn't respect this setting unless you have the "enterprise" version.
I've quit windows almost entirely and switched to linux; now I never have to worry about my hardware becoming to old or my OS becoming completely unsupported since I am on an arch based distro called garuda linux. Been really smooht sailing, hardly any issues and I like that updates for software and the OS are all in 1 place
Switching to Linux is the best decision I've made. It certainly isn't for everyone yet but considering most people just use a web browser on their pc I think it's not as much of a problem
I've had hardly any issues with gaming on Linux, most my steam games work and Minecraft works just fine. **Only** thing I still use Windows for (for now) is VR.
My gut feeling is that the slow adoption rate for Win11 is the hardware requirements. I use Windows 10 for gaming and my over 5 year old PC can handle most of the stuff I want to play. Including the few VR games I grew to like. Meanwhile Windows 11 tells me I need new motherboard, new CPU and that means I also need new RAM. With these 3 combined, it's only sane to get a new PSU and cooling. All that for what? I've been using Vista in the past, bugs are never the problem, those can always be patched. But with silicon prices and scalping being the new industry norm, Microsoft can blow me.
"My gut feeling is that the slow adoption rate for Win11 is the hardware requirements" It could be this OR the fact that people are highly hesitant to the GUI / GUX changes in an OS they have little-to-no use.
I would have updated, but the compatibility check says I my PC doesn't meet requirements, yet it runs everything in Windows 10 smoothly. I am not spending extra to upgrade this when I'm primarily a Mac user now anyway and only log in rarely now (mainly to do updates and try to work through old files to decide what to keep).
@@Nemesis_Stormheart Look, I'm not gonna upgrade to W11 with some roundabout hacky solution just to have the PC brick on me after one of the updates Microsoft will roll out. And they're really good at rolling out PC brickable updates.
@@Mario583a My own theory (which I probably have because it's my own reasoning) is that there just hasn't been enough time since the release of Windows 10. I would imagine that most people just stick with whatever their computer came with and only "update" when they get a new computer with the newer operating system. (Again, that seems to be how it goes for me. I did look at the new features in Windows 11, nothing stood out as a must have, and while I wasn't aware of any issues with Windows 11 at the time, I didn't see a need to update a system that basically already does exactly what I want it to.)
Due to certain older software that I still must use, I have a windows XP and a windows 7 computer besides my two main windows 10 computers. At the moment, I see no reason to stop using windows 10. I also still run Office 2003. It does all I need it to do.
Glad to see your post! I have Windows 7 running on an HP, XP on an oooollllldddd Dell and a version of Windows 7 for a Mac. I've tried 365 and nearly tossed my laptop out of the window because it really caused a lot of issues in a document I was working on. Not migrating over to 11 or 12 (11 at work-Nope) if I can help it. I have 2019 Office on my MacBook Pro.
i use win7 on my work PC and it's fine. sure chrome complains every day that it can't update but meh. unless you want to play new games or use new hardware its still fine.
We really need Windows 12 to make automatic updates optional. This is why the computer I'm using is running Windows 7. Also they need to cut out overprotective security measures like robot detection. I like the codename Hudson Valley because i live there and that is what HV in my username stands for
I love how you asked if we were going to stick with Windows TEN until the very end, instead of ELEVEN. My company just went to 10 a short time ago! We are just starting to think about Windows 11, but the programs we use from some MAJOR companies break on Windows 11 and they have no timeline for when it will be ready to run on Windows 11. Bwahahaha!
It will be interesting how well the modularity of Windows 12 will work. With the rise of the Steam Deck they could have modules specifically for handheld gaming. They did also have a hackathon where they made Windows more suitable for handheld gaming device.
I'm willing to update if I can customize the install to a minimum core OS features similar to what Win7 had. No app store, no MS account, no ads in the Start menu, etc...
@@MoeAji so far you will need Microsoft account for Windows 11 (but possible to bypass) so I doubt they will go back on that. But it could be cool if bare bones was an option, then the need for doing it yourself or 3rd party tools won’t be necessary, which might bring security issue.
i hope to see new item in "file menu " called "compare." where user can select second file and the command will split the screen between the two files.
I really hope this is gonna be useful in fixing problems. Imagine not having to google for half an hour to find out you have to change that particular line in the settings file or some registry entry to fix a crash/problem. Just tell Copilot to do that for you and bam. It has the working solution served for you on the sidebar, or perhaps could even implement it by itself.
I'm finally all set for the next Windows. I bought a giant enterprise hard drive to back up all of my data on all of my various drives to, and then when Win 10 is killed off I'm gonna swap over to Fedora full time. I've already been using it on my laptop for months. The data collection and background services on Windows have gotten out of control, I already primarily use GIMP for image editing which is native on Linux, and every game I actually want to play has been pretty seamless with that laptop so far. It's come a long way in the past several years.
Exactly ! I switched to Linux years ago and Fedora is my current favourite. It does everything I want without the adware, spyware, annoying updates, settings being changed for me against my will etc etc.
@@fotografm Thank you for the sympathy. Windows is just a steaming bag of shit. The CAD and CAM software is amazing. Blender is supposedly suitable for some CAD but that still leaves CAM which is locked into Windows. I am hoping some Linux comes along.
@@JohnHoranzy With the speeding rate that people are leaving after Win10 is done with support, I'm sure someone, since Linux is open-source, will make a very good version for us users of Win10. Mint is already supposed to be close, but implementing some of the other good stuff from Win10 would be great, and I hope more games become available for Linux
I had this in the background and you caught my attention with the floating task bar and the corner icons. You reference this to Mac OS type things, but I'm pretty sure Windows has been mooching ideas off of KDE, or other Linux desktops and window managers. The top bar seems to take a lot away from something called waybar, or eww. These type of bars are mostly added or suplemented to tiling window managers like i3, sway, hyprland, awesome and such. (Love tiling styles). Windows 11's task bar actually have me a deepin vibe. Or a launcher dock type that GNome 3 used. On that note, I'm missing the close and maximize buttons. Which is a common theme in tiling window managers. Since you mostly control navigation and window placement through keyboard usage. Kinda like Windows' snap feature. Closing the windows doesn't always close the application if it can and wants to run in the background. Steam also used to kill itself off completely until they patched it with the new UI. Anyway, maybe the UI redesign is taking the different approach from the classic way to control 'windows'. There has been an increase in desktop usage with Linux since the steam deck (without counting the steam deck systems), and maybe partially thanks to it. While you still might need a few alternatives to application (mainly adobe or office, which people need to stop dying on a hill for), Linux has become quite user friendly to use. And a lot of new users have noted it wasn't as scary as it seemed, or that it's changed to being more friendly by leaps. I've been using it for years and at moments, I didn't even realize how much easier stuff had gotten. I really don't have hope for Windows anymore. And I think there are a lot more people who are skeptical of it improving. If they switch to Linux, all I can say is, try to catch Chris Titus Tech channel. Picking a distro really doesn't matter. There's Debian for stability, Arch and NixOS for the more advanced tinkerers and Linux Mint for the beginners. Red Hat started to lose it's way, but Nobara is probably the best one aimed for gamers. It's a Red Hat dev that has been actively releasing patched and improved versions of wine and proton. It's a fedora fork made for gamers. Most else is an unnecessary reskin of the before mentioned distros. There's rarely a distro that breaks out with their own thing.
@@markm0000 No one is forcing you to update, so I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I have personally used Ubuntu for 5 years before i switched back to Windows as I kept having to fix dumb shit that just wasn’t an issue in Windows, which I have never, ever had a problem with. So if this is what you are implying (that Windows update “break” the system) then I would have to disagree as my experience (and literally everyone I know) was different.
I really really like the start menu of windows 10 so i hope they bring that back. I know a lot of people don't even acknowledge its existence but i personally really like it.
@@MAGAMANThe only complaint I have about it is how buggy and unoptimized it is, but that isn't really the fault of the start menu itself, more so its implementation.
Same here, though I have the same complaints regarding it's implementation. I remember when having the wrong date and time would render the start menu completely unusable. I hate Win 11's start menu.
Windows 10's start menu is great. You can make it any size you want and it's a fantastic and organized shortcut if you put in a little work to clean it up.
I did have to laugh a little when you showed the "Good - Bad - Good - Bad" on the different versions. That is exactly how I feel about the whole thing too.
Except for the fact it isn't true. Windows has been trash since 8, and it never stopped. At the end of the Windows 7 era, Microsoft dumped almost their entire QA department and instead shifted validation and testing to Windows Insiders, which was and still is an absolute disaster. The worst part about Windows Insiders, is that anyone can be one. QA staff is trained on the product and has protocols and procedures for working with engineers and programmers to get everything working smoothly. Bugs are documented and researched and fixed. Windows Insiders can be wimpy p. jones from skid row on 15 year old broken hardware providing information that is completely nonsense and worthless. The entirety of the Windows 10 lifecycle has shown this, Windows was in the headlines multiple times a month going back to when it was first released for all of the horrible problems it had. Microsoft had to entirely roll back large feature releases multiple times for wiping out users machines and causing severe bugs and headaches. Microsoft went from a company that released polished products to releasing a perpetual cycle of prototype and alpha quality software. You can no longer trust them when they describe functions and features that will exist in their software, because the status quo can literally change from day to day based on their whims. They've shown they're not at all capable of releasing quality software that has advertised features anymore. With Windows 10, it has actually lost significant amounts of functionality over its lifetime, as they've released updates to remove large numbers of features over time.
4:05 That's the same stuff used for Windows 10X, Windows Polaris and Andromeda, all cancelled projects that Microsoft made in the late 2010s. CorePC is basically gonna overhaul Windows, for example Explorer won't be used for the shell anymore, but rather a separate shell program.
(🌻) Windows 12 will always be the shadow of Windows! I won't ever wash my windows... No wait- I won't ever install Windows... No wait- I won't ever install Windows 12... No wait- Windows.
Ive already started a transition to linux, i used to use linux as a dual boot a while back but when support for windows 10, i will no longer be on a windows based operating system. Have a dual boot running currently but will remove windows when it is no longer supported
Definitely sticking with Windows 10 for now. I do have a couple of spare desktops running Windows 11 Insider versions (Beta and Release Preview) so I'll know when/if 11 improves enough to merit replacing 10. But it doesn't look very promising so far. Maybe 12 will be the answer.
I doubt they will change control panel and main problem for me at the moment is how unusable it is, if not for that I could live with the rest of inconveniences (in win10 I scroll and by the shape of text could easily find what I'm looking for in win11 with all that tiles everything looks the same, no matter how much I'm using it I still get lost and not only cause of tiles... everything is hidden even deeper than in win10, ah yes and new task manager that wastes much space or leaves you with unintuitive icons, though it seems that new task manager isn't on all devices, maybe they will go back to more reasonable design)
I run (win 10) and I like it. What happen in my life was so convenient. My tablet broke, and I use it a lot. So I need to get some kind of replacement. And, lo, Galaxy book is a PC that folds back into a tablet. And it is huge. I wanna go that direction. And it comes with win 11. So, now I get to "see" what all the hype is about. I am not gonna upgrade this computer until win 12. Win 11 is not as bad as they say. But it sure don't have anything I want to upgrade away from (win 10) for. I doubt (win 12) will either. EXCEPT, I think it is going to be mandatory in order to do any commerce at all. Shopping or Banking or anything that involves finance. I gotta get a new main-board and processor to install (win 11). So (win 12) will most likely be even more stringent. I'll upgrade then. There is ddr5 ram I'll get to taste. My computer is old. A revamp will be well desired.
switched to Linux in 2003, never looked back. I check videos like these at times as I am still called by friends to help with their computer woes. Recently done a fresh install of W11 on one of those, it wanted the user to have a microsoft account in order to use and log into their computer. Then I installed W10 on it and everything seems to work without the need for a microsoft account.
While it may take quite a bit of code/change, I would love if MS utilized some of the same strategy they did for XP to allow users to use layouts/themes they preferred from prior OSs. Many points would go to MS if we could see options that state ; Win 7/Win 10 themes based on taskbar etc..(not just the look) verses many buying third party software that is also a risk to do the things they are comfortable with. Heck, I even heard this is the prime reason from MS that Control Panel will not change as for this exact reason for businesses!! lol :)
being able to theme my system after older operating systems like windows 7 and vista more easily is why i downgraded from windows 11 to 10. it’s such a niche demand i doubt they’d ever actually acknowledge it though 😔
what i want to see is ironclad settings for changing the browser, turning off the AI stuff, and major privacy things, ones where windows won't hassle or nag you to change them. that and they also better let us choose what style of the Start Menu that we want, because windows 10's style with the icons there to select from is just the best. if these aren't in windows 12, i'm not upgrading from 10 which i have currently, and if they force me to upgrade, well, off to Linux.
I believe tech media outlets have looked at this back when 11 was announced. I believe they found that the "this is the last Windows" statement was never actually made by a MS rep, it was a mistranslation/incorrect paraphrase? I'll see if I can find it.
I believe OEMs like Dell and HP cried to Microsoft to create hype for their $500 best buy PCs. Feature / build version wasn't enough. Hype hype hype. Mania!
I liked the idea of 10 being the LAST windows...as Micro$oft originally planned. No 11 for me, the verdict is out on 12, most likely Linux is next on my PC @ 10's EOL.
Still doing my best to keep 10. Use XP as a VM Sandbox as well. Liked 7, but it used too much resources for use as a VM. Really thinking about biting the bullet and going Ubuntu; time will tell. I really like 10 and wish µ$ would continue to support 10. As for my old PC, it cannot even upgrade without going through hoops. My new PC keeps asking me to do so every other month and I deny the update. lol :)
Pin to desktop needs to have already been in Windows 7, 8, 10, and 11. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I have thought about throwing my laptop out of my window because I can't put things on my desktop. I hate having to find workarounds for this. Just make it a button already.
I hope that they give you a windows theme changer in this one so you can use the themes and desktop layouts of older versions of windows. Or give you the option to make it your own and share it with other users.
MS has intentionally crippled themeing and made even themeing hacks very difficult since windows 10 2004, so I doubt that, at best it'd be a colour picker.
Not possible. Microsoft would rather tell you that you like what they give you and could not possibly want to change it, because they know what you want better than you do.
Winodws 11 is another version of Vista in regards of hardware compatibility. It wasn’t the Vista OS that was the issue, it was the hardware companies not wanting to update their devices to be compatible with it. Hence, came Windows 7 which was skin of Vista with some fixes. The OS’s since have been mostly different skins of Vista with added features and some features removed.
Well, the new logo has a huge benefit: to store it as an image, 1x1 resolution will be enough
Windows 13 logo will be just a straight line😀
@@CZpersi No, this way it's more complicated
a single window pixel
windows 13 is just one red subpixel
Rather than resizing locally, it will be shipped with the logo rendered in every common resolution.
One thing I for sure hope is that Windows 12 wont just be a second layer of paint to what is pretty much Windows 10
I can see some VR stuff baked in now that they’re trying to compete with Apple.
Exactly.. Plus they will remove more useful features and make it even more difficult to use any browser other than Edge. Win 11 was Win 10 with Less freedom and features
yeah and im here before this gets famous
@@that_scene_kid3 yeah
Wasn't Win 10 a skin on Win 7? And Win 7 a skin of Win Vista? And Vista a complete rework of Windows XP?
The main thing I hope that AI feature has is an "off" setting.
It has a good chance of being the Clippy of this generation. At least you could turn Clippy off.
I would assume if they actually made Windows more modular that the more basic installs would be lacking the AI entirely.
@@Ozymandias1 I'm pretty sure someone will find a way to get rid of it, just like all the spying microsoft does.
Hehe Borg assimilate. Human to off.
With about 17 registry changes it will be no problem to turn AI off, until the next update….
Good on you for including subtitles, many creators skip this part. Thanks!
@hawky2k215 agreed. Many of the creators I am subscribed to are good about making sure their content has captions enabled (but I did come across one that looked interesting but NONE of her videos are captioned! Grr). I think the worst are those who repost clips from TV shows and movies!
I personally wish they would switch to a 5-year major release model, with 3 years of feature updates, and 10 years of security and bug fix updates. This would give them more time to polish their new releases, rather than releasing them in an incomplete and buggy state. We all remember how the first release of Windows 10 and Windows 11 worked out. Even now, Windows 11 is getting updates that break things.
this is so true. I would either want this, or a completely revamped rolling release system, kinda like what you see with a lot of linux distros (e.g. arch, gentoo, void, etc.) -- so you would never have to deal with all the stress of a **new, maybe completely different and scary update** (i cant get markdown syntax to work...?) :)
Yeah, there must be a written rules that all desktop operating system must be supported for at least 10 years.
We don't want a perfectly capable computers to ended up in e-waste bin so quick because of short software support (just like the Chromebooks that only has 5-7 year support, and become completely unusable after the EOL date)
Don't remind me of windows 10 at launch, holy damn...
@@sihamhamda47nothing stopping the system from being updated 99% of the time
@@sihamhamda47 Nah, that's fine by me. Makes for lots of cheap second hand hardware that I can run Linux on.
Windows 12? Wow, It's been 2 years with Windows 11, and Windows 12 is already shown there
only 1 year with windows 11 thats actually stable.
@@NepTuneLuis wow so funny this joke has not been said a billion times
ffs can you guys stop being like "bUt mIcrOsoFt sAid 10 iS tHe LasT"
they should release it renamed as Gates 😅
@@alternatedenzyea with that they said logic, Windows is just a window manager app for ms-dos
@@matkalinsamsungnews its usable right now but still some features from 10 i want back.
anyone remember when they said 10 will be the last number and everything else will be built on top of it. I am not even ready for 11 so 12 is too far away for me.
Retail releases of Windows are similar to Windows server. Windows 7=Server 2008 then theres Server 2012 and Windows 8/8.1. Next came Windows 10=Server 2016 then theres Server 2019 and Windows 10 S. Next came Windows 11=Server 2022. See the trend here?
@@the_expidition427Server 2022 is not based on 11
same, i have no plans currently to switch to windows 11, i just really like windows 10
@@GARTZ09 Liking it is a bit much, I can live with it, but would prefer Win7.
I will just take and keep Microsoft at its word. Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ... I will use or support for my family, if I can't use or support it anymore, I'll switch to Linux.
Bill Gates talks a lot of sh1t.
I think my "oh boy gotta have that new Windows" stopped after Windows 7 and now it's just "Damn do I really have to download new Windows"
Personally, I'll probably stick to Windows 10 as long as possible. If or when I switch to Windows 12, I will be turning off as much AI features as possible. I like Windows to be lean and as bloat free as possible. I don't want AI second guessing everything you do and hogging resources, not to mention the likelihood that telemetry will get even more invasive.
Good luck with that. It's probably going to be forced down your throat, just like automatic web searches every time you search something local.
I will just take and keep Microsoft at its word. Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows ... I will use or support for my family, if I can't use or support it anymore, I'll switch to Linux.
@@GerardMenvussa there's always a way to turn things off
@@CasperGamess And then there are OSs that don't even have those things to begin with.
Well... not that long from now: "Supported until October 14, 2025"
I have the strong feeling Microsoft will make the brave choice to move on from their good bad good pattern to good bad worse
If anyone can manage it, it's Microsoft.
But to fool you, they'll make it zig-zag downwards.
@Anthony-ku2bb 10 wasn't horrible, although there are a ton of things I wish it hadn't had. The only thing I can still say is "at least it isn't Mac or Ubuntu", but that's probably going to mean nothing soon.
True. I don't like Windows 10, I wouldn't call it 'good', maybe it's 'good' compared to 8(.1) but it's not an improvement over 7
I can't say windows 11 was a bad release. It always seemed like the first real step forwards after Windows 7. Aesthetically and functionally.
Yes, what we definitely need is an AI scrubbing through our files and sending the data to Microsoft. I'm sticking to Windows 10 and probably finally switching to linux after that since gaming finally starts to be viable.
Yes, they definitely need to somehow encrypt you AI usage data to make sure that didn’t happen. I am also sticking to windows 10 since I know it so well and I don’t like how overly simple windows 11 is.
@@ddylan4catsYeah same. I hate how windows 11 looks.
I'll also consider switching to Linux but I wonder how well most apps support it?
I’m switching to pop os as soon as multiplayer support gets better
Linux gaming is looking better and better recently. Thanks, Valve!
I used to be a great fan of Windows with version 7 being my favorite. Then I was forced to "upgrade" to version 10 because MS dropped support for 7. I worked hard to strip away Cortana, Edge (I use Firefox), and other bloatware from Win 10, but they periodically came back via updates that were forced upon me. I became so fed up that a few months ago I switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon, and I couldn't be happier. I am really amazed how Windows-like this Linux distro is, but in a really good way. No spyware, no adware, no forced upgrades, and it is free and open source. Instead of MS Office, I am using LibreOffice which reads and write files in MS Office format. It too is free and open source. There are also free equivalents for several Adobe products like Photoshop. My only regret is that I didn't switch sooner. The nice thing about Linux distros is that you can boot from a USB flash drive and run it without installing so you can decide if you like it or not before doing an installation.
Thank you for a great overview of what is coming - that said - I have been working with and monitoring Microsoft since 1983, yes DOS days and like - One thing I noticed is, always as HW is beefed up it follows with OS that less robust and less optimized; as time pass and OS evolves, the developers began to focus on look-n-feel rather than performance and optimization until today as you can see.
What we should expect in this 21st Century is, a smart OS (in today's words) an AI OS that can heal itself, that can generate a logical prediction by giving facts to determine who is logged in, what they need to access, and to achieve it seamlessly. additionally, an OS analyzes its environment (HW capability, SW process demands, network resources present) to provide its user with all needed resources; likewise, the OS will know its network capacity and shortcoming, and establish maximum transfer channels between storage, internet, and streaming.
So you see, all these bells and whistles make no sense when it comes to productivity; we haven't seen anything like that, and that is because they are short-sighted in this area.
Being told what you need is different than what you actually need.
Gone are the days of slow but groundbreaking developments, where the primary focus was the user experience rather than rushing to meet release schedules. The emotional connection that users formed with Windows XP and the satisfaction of thoroughly exploring an operating system at their own pace.The longer gaps between releases allow for a more polished and groundbreaking outcome. As a developer, I feel that this shift may prioritize refinement over revolutionary leaps.There was a time when companies seemed to have a genuine passion for creating exceptional experiences for their users and the progress wasn't solely driven by monetary motives.
lets be real windows 7 was all we ever really needed. seems like an ubuntu future now tho. microsoft can go to hell
Every decision made by Windows division executives is about building a profile and profiting off that profile with telemetry and data mining.
My fear is that Windows becomes like android and you end up with lots of machines that can't run the latest version making you buy a new one
that's not a great marketing scheme for Microsoft, more will just switch to Linux, that can be ran in almost any machine
@@2k7u That's not something most normies know how to do, or even are aware of. Tech-capable people like us would probably switch, but few others. It's not like you're gonna see Ubuntu or Mint on store shelves.
No TPM, no windows 11. Would be easy to replace that with some other piece of hardware of inflated importance.
@@TheBcoolGuyI actually think you may be able to find Ubuntu discs online iirc
I really don’t hope they do that
Windows 10 is pushing 8 years old now. I get a feeling that it may end up being the "next XP" in terms of users holding on to the OS. I now completely understand why so many people refused to move on from XP....as someone born in 2005, I've used Windows 10 for the better three-quarters of my computer experience. I've gotten comfy and used to the way Windows 10 works and looks, and moving will take some time.
I still miss XP. I have had windows 10 for years, but never been comfortable with it. A simple, basic windows OS is all i want, and i don't really know what to do now.
Businesses such as large corporations loved that about Windows 10, as they are still using it.
move to Linux MInt LOL. i've used it since 2015 and haven't needed windows since. Some windows software that you might want to run on it will require some tricky configurations, but the linux community is quite helpful for things such as that.
XP was just better, and I used most Windows OS 😂
@@daomingjin "the linux community is quite helpful for things such as that" Uh, not really, no. Linux community has anything but the end-user in mind when creating software. Most apps I had to install on Linux distros (mostly RHEL-based and Debian-based) for over 15 years of my career as an IT Admin (Linux included) weren't as easy as in Windows (i.e. double-click the binary and then next, next, finish), but required a lot of googling (software manuals weren't enough), a lot of asking on StackOverflow, ServerFault etc. and often it was a dead-end (i.e. it didn't work for some reason and no one was able to figure out why). On top of that, a lot of installations either broke other previously installed software or the OS itself. IMO the container idea (Docker, LXC etc.) came just from that (i.e. the idea was to minimize the damage on the OS by a simple app installation).
how did this guy go from troll to actual good content... i haven't been watching this channel for 10 years but still impressive!
I'm still weary every single time I watch these videos since he did almost get me once or twice back then
what were his contents back then ?
@@newdiary6978 videos telling you to remove system32 to make your pc faster or tutorials how to make. 2 GB stick a 4gb stick or to download more ram etc
@@newdiary6978like really click bait thumbs teaching us to do what we already now. It was a really bad channel. But out of nothing he just started doing actually good content in a interesting way
"Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows" I don't trust a single thing MSFT says 😂
Me either.
@@Xnoob545 "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows" -Jerry Nixon, Microsoft
@@BaronOfDaker im sticking to that word so im using it on my old decade asus laptop for as long as i can
It is truly the last version, most people are still on Windows 10 and maybe they will stay on it forever looking at the Windows 11 offering and that screenshot of MacOS wannabe that may be from Windows 12 😂
@@BaronOfDaker its one fucking interviewer, it doesnt represent the entirety of microsoft, does it?
I feel like Win10 just finally got stable enough for day-to-day work and commercial applications. I also cannot imagine my company suddenly switching over to Win12 (they never even bothered with Win11 anyways) so... yeah probably gonna hang onto WIn10 for as long as I can.
IT support here. Microsoft stops releasing security updates for end of life (EOL) Windows. This forces companies to switch to latest Windows version. I have supported Windows OS switch from XP to 7. Currently, 7 to 10. Requires more memory. Soon, 10 to 11. Required Intel 8th generation or later processor. Windows 10 EOL on October 14, 2025.
@@cronostvg not if you keep using the out of date version. That is what I have been doing and my school
@@cronostvg Most companies, some are still using XP
Win 10 EoL is 2025….Win 12 coming in 2024 might be perfect to skip Win 11 😂
@@cronostvg I regularly use an XP machine because 64-bit Excel still is not capable of correctly running some 32-bit VBA plugins. It's behind a firewall that blocks anything to and from the internet, so it's probably the most secure machine in the office. If Microsoft can't be bothered to fix security issues before they EOL an operating system, it is very unlikely that their next version is magically free of security issues. I would even be surprised if "supported" versions have fewer security issues than EOL'ed versions.
I've been running classic shell since 7 because I don't really like what Microsoft are doing with their UI. It would be nice to have that level of customisation built in and accessible
precisely this, all i want is for windows to let me customize it to my liking. W10 with classic shell is great, and the radical changes to the UI in 11 (and probably onwards) is a major turn-off.
Linux is easily customizable
@@czech_ring I guess that depends what desktop environment you're running. I don't have a great deal of experience there tbh to be able to comment - I mainly just use Ubuntu with GNOME when I have to Linux for work. I have to use MacOS frequently too but find Windows is still my default go-to. Classic Shell and PowerToys gets you where you want to be quite intuitively, just a shame you have to rely on additional tools to get there.
@@ojmbvids Precisely the point: you have a choice of desktop environments.
@@czech_ring People are generally not going to do that.
Also at 7:33, notice the window for Teams doesn’t have the Minimize/Maximize/Close button at the top-right but instead a “…” button.
I would like to see more PowerToys features integrated into windows.
lolz
I want to see PowerToys Run baked into Windows and API exposed. Would be nice for plugin extendibility.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that knows about PowerToys. I don’t use all of them.
I often end up installing power toys because they often had one or two killer features that I loved. Fancy Zones is the killer app for me when it comes to Win 10.
This is literally the history of Vista to Windows 7 repeating all over again.
if what your saying is true i might just explode and get hyped for windows 12
but not nothing beats windows 7 i love it
@@justarandomskyfan Windows 7 still da best. No telemetry, no metro crap, no bloatware, an actual good appearance in Aero, and very easy to use.
That's crazy, they didn't even finish Windows 10, not even gonna mention 11, and are already moving onto Windows 12? Wow.
they did finish win 10 tho, didn't they stop updating it?
@@witha1 Beginning work on something and then ending work on it means it's finished? Man, I've made so many video games and I didn't even realise it!
Some people rather travel in the rain, than to fix holes in the roof at home
@@TheBcoolGuy fair point
How would you even "finish" Windows 10?
Oh! An idea for Windows 12: Customizable buttons that take you to certain web pages, or activate certain things that you want the custom button to do.
Like the comment so more people can see the idea, maybe even Microsoft.
edit: i wrote this so long ago i was a noob at computers before lol
tha would create more malware oppurtunities
Ever heard of shortcuts?
They could add more customizable things yea
If Microsoft makes it so that clicking on them forces you to use edge instead of chrome then am switching to linux.
Windows 12, You better be good.
I’m guessing you’re not old enough to remember keyboards that had dedicated buttons to take you to a media player, your email and web browser and other buttons that could be programmed to take you to websites. That was circa the early 2000’s
They could also remove the need for an account.
It's not like Microsoft would actually do something like this that for once wouldn't piss their users off, but you know... one can dream, right?
They won't because Windows is spyware and it doesn't care about the user, only your data that can help them make money off of you. Come to Linux, no need for online accounts here.
And if not, there will be always a bypassing method
@@AntiGrieferGames But there is no bypassing intrusive and spyware closed source code deep in Windows.
Now that they're baking in AI assistant? They're gonna double down on Microsoft accounts
To me, the only noticeable difference between win10 and win11 was the crippled start menu in 11. So I sincerely hope that win12 will bring in some actual new features, not extra hadicaps to the existing functionality.
Win11 is terrible though. It runs like shit even with Edge being used, every little news thing is auto set to on and it takes forever just to shut the bullshit off, and most games can't even run on the damn thing
@Anthony-ku2bb The hilarious thing is that, apparently, the stripped out version of Windows 10 that's just the barebones to run software, is apparently pretty great for gaming.
I hope they fix their shit. I ultimately gave in 2 weeks ago and installed the free upgrade to windows 11 from 10 and it would crash my system every 5 minutes. Apparently a fairly common BSOD error with windows 11 looking at the Mircosoft help forum. Their expert on the forum asks me for my system logs and says there is something physically wrong with my RAM even though there were 0 issues before windows 11. I revert back to Windows 10 from the settings and lo everything's fine again.
@@lancevance6346 always interesting to read such different experiences. Everyone i know had 0 problems with W11 and in the comments here, i read about a plethora of crashes and issues
That and I can't have long buttons on the taskbar, just garbage icons. I have 3 folders open I gotta click the stupid icon and THEN click on the folder I want. I can't have their names and the long bars there anymore. Such a stupid thing to do, no need to remove it but they did. I CAN'T use it that way, haven't upgraded that because of this stupid issue.
Windows REALLY needs a revamp. Windows is extremely frankensteined right now im actually surprised that it even works.
The issue is backwards compatibility. A good chunk of what's already in Windows cannot be removed because of that. Which is unfortunate.
@@FreeDownloadHere Right, but since CoreOS is modular, they could add a downloadable "legacy module" which contains stuff required for backwards compatibility. And if you don't need to run programs made for Windows XP, you would just not download that and have more free space & less bloat :)
It absolutely does need a revamp, but the problem is that major changes to an operating system take years to turn into a usable system. This is the real reason behind the "every second windows is good" phenomenon.
@@FreeDownloadHere The real issue is the spyware and all the bloatware running forever in the background. I have Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite and with all that backwards compatibility I can bring its RAM usage down to 0.7 GB if I run the TIW11 script and Memreduct cleaning RAM every single 10 minutes (extremely lightweight in conparison to other Windows processes). Still very much in comparison to most Linux distros, but at some point the standard Windows 10 comes to use 2.7 GB on startup.
Most of the compatibility stuff is just dormant and stays unused, thus only taking space on the disk.
@@bastoscc While Microsoft COULD do this in theory, in practice, this move would piss a lot of clients in the business sector who needs their old programs to work and can't be assed to figure out just what is going on.
Also, retro gamers.
Actually, the insisting of MS to upgrade to Win11, and also Win 11 insisting to not start operating until it calls home, plus insisting on downloading and installing updates whenever the OS wants... It was just too much insisting on unnecessary things, and in the end, it all forced me into finding a better solution, so after over a decade and a half of just wanting to, I finally switched to Linux about nine months ago. And I probably should've done this like 9 or 10 years ago.
And I recommend everyone doing the same. I recommend Linux Mint which in my opinion is one of if not THE best choice for Windows users. It may take some time, but it's easy, and definitely pays off.
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What I'd like to see is a lot more privacy.
Read the end user license agreement sometime.
microsoft will probably add more trackers tbh :/
I’m most interested in the rumored immutable variant of Windows next.
I’ve recently spent a month exclusively running desktop Linux, and Silverblue was one of the very few “oh gosh I wish Windows had that” moment. (other moments are swupd and routing features) It’s reassuring knowing that whatever stupidity I’m about to pull, I’m not going to leave some nasty mess deep inside my OS. (I’m a bit of a clean freak when it comes to computers, and recently after uninstalling a program I had to pull out 10+ registry keys left all over the Windows Registry)
As for the AI stuff, I’m not sold. Hope they make it an optional Windows feature so it can be disabled.
it will most likely be an opt-out but don't expect it to be easy on home editions at least
I wish more OSes took inspiration from functional-programming, where most actions have minimal side-effects, and we can easily undo anything
@@pettycrimesandmisdemeanors its probably going to be non disable
Linux us great. I recommend switching full time. Back in the day it required many sacrifices, but these days you can do almost everything you could on Windows. Hell, you can even play games because Valve are amazing and invested a lot into proton and vulkan. Only games with intricate anti-cheat are still problematic, but I think one day we'll get through that as well.
Oh god yes, the immutability and every bit of software being sandboxed with no real side-effects to other software or the OS are the only things I'm excited about
I think an AI assistant could be useful as exactly that, an assistant. My biggest concern is that it could become the primary or only method of doing certain things. I'm no expert but I generally prefer to use somewhat-bare-bones-ish software where I can more easily see what failed, rather than something that holds my hand and doesn't make it easy to see what went wrong, or at what stage the task failed to execute.
Also I'm not a big fan of seemingly unnecessary network connections / sign ins. Sure the whole world is online but if I want my computer to do something that it can definitely do by itself, I'd really rather not create an account and send data to some company to do it on their servers instead. It's not very resourceful and has a negative environmental impact (and often subscription fees) and regardless of steps taken to keep things safe, sending data to a server is inherently less secure than just doing the calculation locally and always will be.
They have supposed to be an ai assistant though, and that’s the trashy cortana.
as a regular AI user, i can see that most jobs won't be replaced by AI. They will be assistant at best. They might become good at one task, but it's usually too precise to be good. For example, stable diffusion can generate really beautiful drawings. But it's not that easy to tell him what to do (try to make 2 different people, it's not possible. Some make it with controlnet, but honestly this addon just scare me how i just don't understand how to use it), and if you trying to make something that he doesn't have that many data of, he is completely lost (less than 100 images on danbooru is usually not enough). And in those domain, the AI can't really progress. It would just be baby steps, unoticeable. For stable diffusion the only progress to made is for beauty, and we are starting to hit a big wall, were some images are as good as big artist.
Also, for the AI necessiting network, it will be mandatory. The models like chatgpt or llama ones are around 80GB. Only professionnal video card have that much vram. You can technically use ram (if you even have 80GB of ram) or storage, but it would be much, much slower (some reports 30 seconds per words). Stable diffusion models are around 2GB, so most video card can support them. And even if they can't, you have a mode who can put it in ram. But again, it's slower)
Cortana worked locally, because it was a small model. And as you can see, it's pretty bad.
They will certainly make it the main way of doing things.
I loathe search searching Internet first and local files as an afterthought and when it is searching files it is still beaten by Bob, why they invented NTFS and don't use it? So I keep using Everything Search
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Time to go to a brand of Linux =) But you are right. 3:35 good xp, bad vista, good 7, bad 8, good 10.... I dont know about 11 except on my work laptop which I didn't like but I do like the feature "search for Wireless monitor" in Win11. But you know what? Win10 imports modules from Win7.. You can tell because the window is the same but the TEXT is Smaller in those windows. But I am not sure if Win11 does that because I dont use it now.
They'll probably remove all the things that are sooo much better in control panel and move it to settings where half the functionality will go away. They'll force some advertising popup that will no doubt annoy you unless you log in to turn it off. THey'll disable the ability to set up a new copy of windows without using an email account. Printers and network properties are where I spend most of my support time so I imagine they'll find some way to make those almost impossible to get to in the next version of Windows. I believe there is some worthless middle management people who say let's make f'n change for the sake of change but we'll tell people it is an improvement. I know changing your printer network property required 3 clicks to get to now - instead we'll make you open up powershell (elevated of course because it is nearly useless otherwise) then just write this small 18 line script to change the IP address and reboot - isn't that easier? Don't worry we have a KB article on how to do it but in no way will we give you and idea of what is a variable and what is a part of the command by showing it with a real world example and screenshot - that would be to obvious.
Yeah I'm pretty much done with this Powershell shit. Microsoft has spent 30+ years trying to get AWAY from the command line (MSDOS) and now they're leaning hard into Powershell, which is a million times more complicated and confusing than MSDOS ever was. The reason why people don't like Linux is because of all the terminal bullshit. If Microsoft does the same thing then there really is no advantage to Linux. Linux has ironically been moving away from the terminal while Microsoft is now running face-first into it. I get that Powershell can be a useful tool for admins and power users but that should be an OPTION not a requirement. If Microsoft invented the Group Policy Editor today I guarantee you it would be added to Powershell and there would be no UI. I like the UI. It's inefficient for doing repetitive tasks with many steps but in 99% of cases it's better.
@@thelbtlover Having just switched to linux from windows, I have to say I think it's moving towards the best of both worlds honestly. Linux is getting more user friendly for casual users while having a very mature community around the command line which can make an initially intimidating task much easier to get a grip on.
Before last week, I hadn't touched command line computing since a few cursory attempts back at my first job. Now I'm getting comfortably SSHing into the multiple raspberry pis I have on my home network and altering all sorts of settings.
Biggest problem I had was slamming my head into the wall setting up duel boot for windows, since I may still have use cases for Win10 when I need software or games that can't run on linux. And that had more to do with not writing the GRUB.config file thoroughly and missing an important command.
I wish I had switched to linux sooner. I haven't worried about any of this since I did. There is no drama, there is no hoping a terrible company will make a good decision in spite of itself. There are some rough edges and weird bugs, but things are always getting better, and nothing ever gets worse. Updates aren't mandatory. Settings don't go back to their defaults. Anything can be uninstalled.
In fewer words, I'm treated like I own the computer. I'm upset that I didn't demand that respect sooner, it was always mine for the taking. I just thought it would be too hard to switch, and I was totally wrong.
I hope they bring back Aero like in windows 7, i always preferred the windows 7 style over the modern ones.
Can I give like a dozen thumbs-up? Using Aero was a step back to the stone age of GUIs.
I love the Aero theme
It's not gonna happen, but it'd be awesome. 7 is still definitely my favourite version.
What's dumb is that at least in Windows 10, it does have transparency but it's so close to opaque with no options to change it that you barely even see it.
They won't. At least not with the same texture as Windows 7. Windows is undoubtedly heading in a very flat and minimalist direction, so even if they were to bring back aero, it would be just some milky/dark blur customizable in the same way as the accent colors for the taskbar and other UI elements
I miss you windows XP. The days of napster and megaupload were the glory days of the internet
Nice to see that Windows 11 has even more things in common with Windows Vista
Windows 11 has nothing in common with Windows Vista, they are two completely different operating systems.
@@simonkormendy849 somebody clearly didn't get the joke
In that they're both underrated and overhated.
My last version of windows was 7. I think that was the best version as it did not have the telemetry (ms spying) and it was very stable. I am happily on Linux these days and ms will have to do something special for me to go back to windows (very unlikely it would seem).
Yeh I’m going to install Linux on my older PC here at some point so I can use my older computer where as my latest build is basically a games console lol I hate windows 11 so I’m still on 10 and I hate it I loved windows 7 and I’m certainly not trusting Microsoft any longer and hopefully Linux just improves which it has done over time 👍
Just out of curiosity, which distro do you use?
I have tried to daily drive linux but always met a buggy experience that does not help the fact that i have been using windows for almost a decade now and do not know much about linux.
I own a Windows 11 laptop as my main computer as well as an Ubuntu ThinkPad. After college, I think I’ll switch over to daily driving Linux, possibly Arch. I’m really just done with Microsoft’s shenanigans.
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As a Linux/Windows Person, i really hope that the ai stuff doesn't happen because it would really bloat the system and make it harder to use for normal users. I also just hope it gets a ui update and brings back a transparent theme (such as aero), but also keeps the taskbar idea the same; differing from "next valley" where everything changes.
While Windows Aero is no more, the Mica title bars in Windows 11 to me make up for the removal of Windows Aero.
We need like a classic theme for like aero/luna/classic, and maybe like a theme maker (like WindowBlinds) in which anyone can make custom themes for Windows.
@@dead_channel_lol somehow I feel like those themes would look outdated on Windows 11
I'll be looking forward to your video on how to disable any "AI" BS in Windows 12.
Windows 11 doesn't support my taskbar on the left, quick access links were deleted and the start menu tiles were gone.
So I switched back to Windows 10 after about an hour trying to fix these things. I think W11 is not meant to be for people who want to be productive it's just a skin change with many important features not yet supported.
W11 can support left-aligned taskbars, but live tiles are gone which is sad
Startallback/Startisback is great. Been using it since 8.1
@@CuriousConnor No it can't. You can't put the taskbar on the left side of the screen. He's not referring to the icons on the taskbar but to the taskbar itself.
@@sandrodeciantis Natively you can't, but there are some third party tools for that (if you can't control your OCD that much :))
Your mistake is trying to be productive. You're supposed to be feeding Windows your data so it can train its AI to be productive, and then Microsoft can sell it to you as a service once you rely on it for productivity.
Sticking to win10 as long as there are security updates. AI could be great for some, but as a developer I do know what I want and how to do it. I do not want my actions monitored, my speech recorded, my finger movements analyzed all the time.
Doesn't the updates end by the end of 2024 for Windows 10? Pretty forced to upgrade
Edit: After searching, it ends on October 2025
Probably will switch to mac os. Like the blend of unix based without the minor problems with linux.
I believe "Do not fix what isn't broken" and Win 11 is the exactly opposite of that. So I'm sticking to Windows 10 as long as I can.
So glad they finally are making people switch to linux
@lizardnotfoundorigin2979 No, he doesn't
Honestly when windows 11 support ends I’ll be switching to Linux.
I believe it; the last snapshot of windows 11 in the Canary Channel has provided an odd experience with the dimensions and playback times of pictures, videos, and music are removed from the Navigation Pane jn file explorer. It feels more like a beta build of Windows 11.1 or higher instead.
Also, earlier this year they added the additional parameters for the OS to take more advantage of the chip you needed to run windows 11, but only directly after sunsetting support for Windows 10. They didn’t want to Develop Windows 10 to have more parameters to take advantage of the security of the Chip outside of the most basic of features, or do the bug fixes on those parameters for the older OS.
I've been a happy Linux user ever since Windows 10 came out. I miss Windows Media Center, but now Kodi works better than MC ever did. Can't say Disney Plus blinking/flashing/rotating in the Start menu is a feature I want either.
I dumped pre-installed 11 for mx Linux.
Nice! I wish more people gave Linux a shot. A lot of people still think it looks like it did 10 or 15 years ago and have no idea it's just as usable for everyday tasks as Windows is. But people are lazy and scared of change. I guess they can still run Spyware 10 or 11 or 12 if it comes out, its their choice.
@@Cavi587 the problem with Linux is that there's too many options, a fractured community arguing the benefits of their favourite distro, and being open source/freeware means that support or development can drop overnight.
If there was ONE "go to" version of Linux that was a direct replacement for Windows Pro and Windows Server, and that didn't require trawling through forums or command lines to get the basics done then Linux could absolutely take off. I would love this myself as each version of Windows since 7 has gotten progressively more invasive and bloat filled.
But until then Linux remain an enthusiast/niche option unfortunately.
@@img00 Yeah, I can't argue with that. I'm gonna say that it's gotten a lot better nowadays, people mostly recommend newbies like 3-4 distros, mostly based on debian/ubuntu. And I think command line isn't as scary as people make it to be, it's not even as necessary as it once was. I installed Zorin OS on my cousins PC and he's been running it for more than a year now, playing all video games he wanted to play and he never had to launch the terminal. Now, it's true that I did go into his command line when I was there, but it wasn't anything serious or critical, just made it easier for me to do some maitenance for him that he could do from the GUI as well.
@@Cavi587 oh look its another linux cultist making lies about windows and linux who does not know the different between telemetry and spyware. Plus not to mention that people don't want to spend ten hours on installing simple apps
I've read that MS is planning to make 11 & 12 only usable via cloud computing. Also, we'll have to see how much bloatware MS decides to "grace" us with.
They know that if they do that they'll lose like 99% of their user base
@@servissop151 and where the %99 users base gonna go Linux ain’t gonna help the user base
@@Ghostlynotme445 Why not? Depending on the distro, Linux can do just about everything that Windows can.
@@servissop151 99% of the userbase is dumb as shit, they can areley use a smartphone, do you think the average user has any idea what cloud computing mean?
@@JackOfAllRAIDs it doesn’t mean Linux easy as windows.
I was pretty happy with Win 11 at the outset.
I loved the apps that ran on the desktop in Vista, I had this large 24 hour analog clock but I was eventually compelled to remove it to be “more secure”.
what I'd love to see:
- proper audio routing and controls supporting mixes for different output channels (onboard, slotted or ext)
- AI console: loose syntax, but deep access (although...nah, can't see anything go wrong with that at all...)
- multicore support, esp. for native 1 core processes (make a 8C/16T look like the beefiest 1C/1T if needed), distribute load more evenly over all cores
I hope you're right about everything you've talked about. I am sticking with 10 for as long as possible--hopefully skipping 11 on every computer I can.
As somebody going with intel 13th gen... 11 improves performance so i kinda need to stay on it
Windows 11 isn't even bad.
@@vectoralphaSec i use it and i liked the look of 10 more but 11 does have features i love
I don't get this at all. Windows 11 is great. I've not only had zero issues but I'm seeing improved performance and stability.
@@ForeverMasterless same
What you said about the possibility of how AI integration into W12 sounds interesting, but it also raises a lot of concern.
If we could just ask AI to change settings on our machines, eventually somebody would have the idea of "let's stop putting settings where user can interact with directly", so everything would have to go through AI.
As Windows users since 3.0, we know that Microsoft always hide a lot of settings from their users. Some are even necessary setting for troubleshooting or performance optimization (i.e. turning off things that MS made that make the machine run slow).
Then those who need access to settings would have to pay to become "authorized trouvleshooter", just like what many corps have been trying to do with the whole issue about Rights to Repair.
And if the AI is inferencing from the cloud, with so many windows users, how much compute power would their servers require? there.. the whole "energy saving" and "go green" issue 🤣
On the other hand, if the AI is inferencing locally, how big the installation would be?
And if technology keep going toward what people have been predicting, i.e. game with AI NPCs, then gamers would need a lot of computing power, which would have to be shared with windows' AI.
Then we'd have to find ways to turn off the AI LOL.
I remember back in early 2020s, I saw that there were about 6 or 8 instances of Edge sitting on my VRAM (and I don't even use Edge) and it took me quite a while to find out how to make them stay on RAM, because I needed as much VRAM as possible to play games and do machine learning.
Lastly, there's some issue about learning.
We learned what we learned because there were times when we couldn't find somebody to ask, so we had to do some trial and error, but in the end we learned something.
If we always have AI over our shoulder to ask/tell what to do with our machines, I think future generations would be lacking in terms of learning experience.
Please note that I'm not against AI, I'm against irresponsible use of technology, AI or otherwise 🙂
In my opinion regarding settings, all they had to do was a well working search in the system settings and a half-organized structure for these settings. They failed to do both of them (as a whole, some sections work well). Starting with Win Vista up to Win 10 they just progressively kept moving settings from the old system settings (which still exists) to PC settings for no reason. Now they expect it to be better with AI. I doubt it, it will be the same thing as a search, just with a button appearing in chat instead of the search results. Especially all those ancient dialogs (which are burried in some minimalistic light grey text appearing on the side) will be impossible to properly be indexed in any way unless they redo them in the new style.
Yeah, remember Cortana? Doesn't make sense to integrate AI into the OS.
Yeah, that's what I'm worrying about, if Microsoft pushing their AI to us just like what they did with Cortana.
Cortana brought more problem than it solved.
Once in an online meeting, the speaker is a computer illiterate, snd in the middle of the talk, Cortana kept answering him, it took quite a while with the help from the audience to guide him how to turn it off. What a waste of time.
At least I hope if Microsoft introduced the AI, they'd give the option not to install it during the installation stage.
Yeah, AI baked into my OS his a big hell to the no.
Microsoft has been limiting what you can do with Windows for YEARS now, AI is not needed, they were already spying on you and collecting your data. AI will only allow them to do that more efficiently. AI can be a great tool when used well, but I don't trust Microsoft one bit. Just ditch the Spyware OS and come to the Linux side, we have freedom here and every feature of our OS can be bent to our will. You don't like a feature? You can cut it from the OS. You want an additional feature? You can add it.
honestly I used to be excited over AI before the whole craze about it, now anywhere I see AI mentioned as a selling point I just look the other way
To quote Randal Munroe, it's not 'AI' I worry about, it's the people misusing AI.
Yeah. AI now is just ChatGPT over and over again.
Sooo if they increase the Windows version by 1 every 3 years, we're gonna see Win95 in 2273. I can't wait!
I'd like to see an operating system that's so solid it doesn't need monthly updates. I have to question if the UI changes are really an improvement, or just there to keep programmers employed.
They have to keep the OS updated with security fixes for the OS, if monthly updates stopped, you would be vulnerable to viruses and malware.
As someone who works in the industry, I have to say the UI changes are far from an improvement. Visually - yeah, they look nicer. Functionality-wise, it's hot garbage.
You want an unprofitable operating system from a commercial vendor?
@@Finger112 I realize that's what we've come to expect - but does it have to be that way? How about coding in a language that does a better job of checking the inputs and preventing buffer overflow? It seems like many fixes are "same problem, different module".
@@jwstolk Updates are the key to profitability? How?
Better disk management utilities, better networking utilities, I have been waiting for these for over 30 years.
Yes, they still cant seem to know the difference between SSD and HDD, and i want to set them each separatedly.
SSD 24/7, HDD into sleep mode.
You get all that with Linux. Windoze has a total shit file system.
These companies don't want you to manage or fix anything.
I'll just stick with Windows 10 as long as it works...
You do something great. If something works, dont touched.
Oh boy, it won't work in 2025.
@@ayten-linux I mean it probably will, it's just gonna be less secure due to lack of security updates, which is all 10 is getting atm anyway
@@ayten-linux Some versions of Windows 10 are getting guaranteed security updates until 2032, but I guess that means it won't work?
I think it won't end at 2025, they will definitely extend it by at least 2 years just because so many people are still on windows 10. I think the 2025 date is to get people to switch.
Remeber when microsoft said that windows 10 is the last version of windows. it will keep getting updates forever
I just want a real start menu and right click functionality without getting 3rd party apps or registry edits. 11’s biggest sin, at least in my book, was trying to streamline their UI too much across all versions. Why wouldn’t the Pro version have expanded UI elements as at least an option?
Spongebob: “Hey Patrick, what am I?” ⬜️
Patrick: “Uhh… Stupid?”
Spongebob: “No… I’m Windows 12”
Patrick: “Haha, What’s the difference?” 😂
🤣🤣🤣
I'd be sticking to win 10 untill I know that I can still have control in a newer version of windows like disabling telemetry and control around what and when system updates get applied. And no advertising in the OS either. In the scenario that its not obtainable anymore and win 10 becomes too much of a security risk, I would probably just give in and switch to linux instead.
You can't disable telemetry in Windows 10 though. Not if you use the "Home" or "Professional" versions.
You can already disable telemetry in 11
@@CPUGaming No, you can't.
@@driedmelon Yes, you can. You can do it through 3rd party tools or through GPE. You are just wrong.
@@CPUGaming No, you can't. If you have the "home" or "professional" version of Windows it always sends "required" telemetry. No matter what you do. Editing the registry doesn't help (which is what 3rd party tools often do). Using the GPE doesn't do anything either.
There is a setting in the GPE that seemingly allows you to disable telemetry and so it gives you the false impression that it can be done. But it doesn't work. Windows doesn't respect this setting unless you have the "enterprise" version.
1:43 ppl probably think its a bit fast bc no one used windows 8, loads of ppl skipped it
I've quit windows almost entirely and switched to linux; now I never have to worry about my hardware becoming to old or my OS becoming completely unsupported since I am on an arch based distro called garuda linux. Been really smooht sailing, hardly any issues and I like that updates for software and the OS are all in 1 place
Switching to Linux is the best decision I've made. It certainly isn't for everyone yet but considering most people just use a web browser on their pc I think it's not as much of a problem
Good luck with gaming if it even works correctly lmao
@@RedgraveVT yeah gaming is kinda ass lol. That's why I either virtualize windows through kvm or I just go outside
The Steam Deck is Linux-based. It seems to be doing quite well, judging from Microsoft’s attempt to fight back with this “Handheld Mode” vapourware.
I've had hardly any issues with gaming on Linux, most my steam games work and Minecraft works just fine. **Only** thing I still use Windows for (for now) is VR.
My gut feeling is that the slow adoption rate for Win11 is the hardware requirements. I use Windows 10 for gaming and my over 5 year old PC can handle most of the stuff I want to play. Including the few VR games I grew to like. Meanwhile Windows 11 tells me I need new motherboard, new CPU and that means I also need new RAM. With these 3 combined, it's only sane to get a new PSU and cooling. All that for what? I've been using Vista in the past, bugs are never the problem, those can always be patched. But with silicon prices and scalping being the new industry norm, Microsoft can blow me.
"My gut feeling is that the slow adoption rate for Win11 is the hardware requirements"
It could be this OR the fact that people are highly hesitant to the GUI / GUX changes in an OS they have little-to-no use.
I would have updated, but the compatibility check says I my PC doesn't meet requirements, yet it runs everything in Windows 10 smoothly. I am not spending extra to upgrade this when I'm primarily a Mac user now anyway and only log in rarely now (mainly to do updates and try to work through old files to decide what to keep).
Burn the W11 iso with rufus, it disables all the hardware checks
@@Nemesis_Stormheart Look, I'm not gonna upgrade to W11 with some roundabout hacky solution just to have the PC brick on me after one of the updates Microsoft will roll out. And they're really good at rolling out PC brickable updates.
@@Mario583a My own theory (which I probably have because it's my own reasoning) is that there just hasn't been enough time since the release of Windows 10. I would imagine that most people just stick with whatever their computer came with and only "update" when they get a new computer with the newer operating system. (Again, that seems to be how it goes for me. I did look at the new features in Windows 11, nothing stood out as a must have, and while I wasn't aware of any issues with Windows 11 at the time, I didn't see a need to update a system that basically already does exactly what I want it to.)
*Exciting News:* DiD yOu KnOw WiNdOwS 12?
either windows 12 is the best version ever released or in 2025 i’m switching to linux
I think I'll stick with Linux but it is interesting to see the Windows world evolve.
same here. I fully switched to Linux Mint in 2015, haven't needed windows since.
I am moving to linux using MX Linux andf GhostBSD on my second workstation, keeping windows for the games.
Yeah, the same here. On Linux and Debian now since 2019. No Windows ever again, but good to know what's going on.
Drag and sort tabs on the taskbar. The ability to ungroup apps like in the WIN7 Taskbar, but have it native to the OS.
I hoped microsoft would stick to its original statement that Windows 10 was the "last" version of Windows and it'll get updated regularly.
Windows 12 = the most improved spyware ever.
Pfft. Windows 12?
It’s just a 2D Square…
Is that your idea of a Window?
Must be the Security Update!
Due to certain older software that I still must use, I have a windows XP and a windows 7 computer besides my two main windows 10 computers. At the moment, I see no reason to stop using windows 10. I also still run Office 2003. It does all I need it to do.
Glad to see your post! I have Windows 7 running on an HP, XP on an oooollllldddd Dell and a version of Windows 7 for a Mac. I've tried 365 and nearly tossed my laptop out of the window because it really caused a lot of issues in a document I was working on. Not migrating over to 11 or 12 (11 at work-Nope) if I can help it. I have 2019 Office on my MacBook Pro.
If Office 2003 does everything you need, then why not switch to LibreOffice? It's foss and light
i use win7 on my work PC and it's fine. sure chrome complains every day that it can't update but meh. unless you want to play new games or use new hardware its still fine.
@@Tubeytimerobably because he's using that windows xp computer. (Even though it's not his mian computer)
We really need Windows 12 to make automatic updates optional. This is why the computer I'm using is running Windows 7. Also they need to cut out overprotective security measures like robot detection. I like the codename Hudson Valley because i live there and that is what HV in my username stands for
Im not ready, im hyped to what it might be.
This one should be the good cycle swing this time
I love how you asked if we were going to stick with Windows TEN until the very end, instead of ELEVEN. My company just went to 10 a short time ago! We are just starting to think about Windows 11, but the programs we use from some MAJOR companies break on Windows 11 and they have no timeline for when it will be ready to run on Windows 11. Bwahahaha!
It will be interesting how well the modularity of Windows 12 will work. With the rise of the Steam Deck they could have modules specifically for handheld gaming. They did also have a hackathon where they made Windows more suitable for handheld gaming device.
I'm willing to update if I can customize the install to a minimum core OS features similar to what Win7 had. No app store, no MS account, no ads in the Start menu, etc...
@@MoeAji so far you will need Microsoft account for Windows 11 (but possible to bypass) so I doubt they will go back on that. But it could be cool if bare bones was an option, then the need for doing it yourself or 3rd party tools won’t be necessary, which might bring security issue.
sigh... this is what windows 12 will be in 2024?
I imagine the window has now become windowed
i hope to see new item in "file menu " called "compare." where user can select second file and the command will split the screen between the two files.
Windows has finally become Squaredows! ^-^
I really hope this is gonna be useful in fixing problems.
Imagine not having to google for half an hour to find out you have to change that particular line in the settings file or some registry entry to fix a crash/problem.
Just tell Copilot to do that for you and bam. It has the working solution served for you on the sidebar, or perhaps could even implement it by itself.
And Santa will be good to you this year too. 😂
I'm finally all set for the next Windows. I bought a giant enterprise hard drive to back up all of my data on all of my various drives to, and then when Win 10 is killed off I'm gonna swap over to Fedora full time. I've already been using it on my laptop for months.
The data collection and background services on Windows have gotten out of control, I already primarily use GIMP for image editing which is native on Linux, and every game I actually want to play has been pretty seamless with that laptop so far. It's come a long way in the past several years.
All usable CAD and CAM works only on Windows.
Exactly ! I switched to Linux years ago and Fedora is my current favourite. It does everything I want without the adware, spyware, annoying updates, settings being changed for me against my will etc etc.
@@JohnHoranzy poor you !
@@fotografm Thank you for the sympathy. Windows is just a steaming bag of shit. The CAD and CAM software is amazing. Blender is supposedly suitable for some CAD but that still leaves CAM which is locked into Windows. I am hoping some Linux comes along.
@@JohnHoranzy With the speeding rate that people are leaving after Win10 is done with support, I'm sure someone, since Linux is open-source, will make a very good version for us users of Win10. Mint is already supposed to be close, but implementing some of the other good stuff from Win10 would be great, and I hope more games become available for Linux
I had this in the background and you caught my attention with the floating task bar and the corner icons. You reference this to Mac OS type things, but I'm pretty sure Windows has been mooching ideas off of KDE, or other Linux desktops and window managers. The top bar seems to take a lot away from something called waybar, or eww. These type of bars are mostly added or suplemented to tiling window managers like i3, sway, hyprland, awesome and such. (Love tiling styles). Windows 11's task bar actually have me a deepin vibe. Or a launcher dock type that GNome 3 used.
On that note, I'm missing the close and maximize buttons. Which is a common theme in tiling window managers. Since you mostly control navigation and window placement through keyboard usage. Kinda like Windows' snap feature. Closing the windows doesn't always close the application if it can and wants to run in the background. Steam also used to kill itself off completely until they patched it with the new UI. Anyway, maybe the UI redesign is taking the different approach from the classic way to control 'windows'.
There has been an increase in desktop usage with Linux since the steam deck (without counting the steam deck systems), and maybe partially thanks to it. While you still might need a few alternatives to application (mainly adobe or office, which people need to stop dying on a hill for), Linux has become quite user friendly to use. And a lot of new users have noted it wasn't as scary as it seemed, or that it's changed to being more friendly by leaps. I've been using it for years and at moments, I didn't even realize how much easier stuff had gotten.
I really don't have hope for Windows anymore. And I think there are a lot more people who are skeptical of it improving. If they switch to Linux, all I can say is, try to catch Chris Titus Tech channel. Picking a distro really doesn't matter. There's Debian for stability, Arch and NixOS for the more advanced tinkerers and Linux Mint for the beginners. Red Hat started to lose it's way, but Nobara is probably the best one aimed for gamers. It's a Red Hat dev that has been actively releasing patched and improved versions of wine and proton. It's a fedora fork made for gamers. Most else is an unnecessary reskin of the before mentioned distros. There's rarely a distro that breaks out with their own thing.
Totally agree. I laugh when people say linux is copying Windows without realizing KDE had it and more features years ago :D
If they do that I’m not going to use windows anymore
I switched to Ubuntu a year ago and it’s so nice to not get cold sweats from a update notification.
@@markm0000 No one is forcing you to update, so I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
I have personally used Ubuntu for 5 years before i switched back to Windows as I kept having to fix dumb shit that just wasn’t an issue in Windows, which I have never, ever had a problem with. So if this is what you are implying (that Windows update “break” the system) then I would have to disagree as my experience (and literally everyone I know) was different.
Do what?
Elaborate, there were multiple topics in this video.
Do what
I really really like the start menu of windows 10 so i hope they bring that back. I know a lot of people don't even acknowledge its existence but i personally really like it.
Windows 10 start menu is complete trash. It's so bad that it opened up a whole new industry of start menu replacements.
@@MAGAMANThe only complaint I have about it is how buggy and unoptimized it is,
but that isn't really the fault of the start menu itself, more so its implementation.
Same here, though I have the same complaints regarding it's implementation. I remember when having the wrong date and time would render the start menu completely unusable. I hate Win 11's start menu.
Windows 10's start menu is great. You can make it any size you want and it's a fantastic and organized shortcut if you put in a little work to clean it up.
Just disable the bing search, my Win 10 start menu went so fast.
I did have to laugh a little when you showed the "Good - Bad - Good - Bad" on the different versions. That is exactly how I feel about the whole thing too.
Except for the fact it isn't true. Windows has been trash since 8, and it never stopped. At the end of the Windows 7 era, Microsoft dumped almost their entire QA department and instead shifted validation and testing to Windows Insiders, which was and still is an absolute disaster. The worst part about Windows Insiders, is that anyone can be one. QA staff is trained on the product and has protocols and procedures for working with engineers and programmers to get everything working smoothly. Bugs are documented and researched and fixed. Windows Insiders can be wimpy p. jones from skid row on 15 year old broken hardware providing information that is completely nonsense and worthless.
The entirety of the Windows 10 lifecycle has shown this, Windows was in the headlines multiple times a month going back to when it was first released for all of the horrible problems it had. Microsoft had to entirely roll back large feature releases multiple times for wiping out users machines and causing severe bugs and headaches.
Microsoft went from a company that released polished products to releasing a perpetual cycle of prototype and alpha quality software. You can no longer trust them when they describe functions and features that will exist in their software, because the status quo can literally change from day to day based on their whims. They've shown they're not at all capable of releasing quality software that has advertised features anymore. With Windows 10, it has actually lost significant amounts of functionality over its lifetime, as they've released updates to remove large numbers of features over time.
@@GGigabiteM rose tinted glasses
@@UnrealOG137 if those are rose tinted glasses, i've got a pair too
4:05
That's the same stuff used for Windows 10X, Windows Polaris and Andromeda, all cancelled projects that Microsoft made in the late 2010s.
CorePC is basically gonna overhaul Windows, for example Explorer won't be used for the shell anymore, but rather a separate shell program.
(🌻) Windows 12 will always be the shadow of Windows!
I won't ever wash my windows... No wait-
I won't ever install Windows...
No wait- I won't ever install
Windows 12... No wait-
Windows.
Ive already started a transition to linux, i used to use linux as a dual boot a while back but when support for windows 10, i will no longer be on a windows based operating system. Have a dual boot running currently but will remove windows when it is no longer supported
Definitely sticking with Windows 10 for now. I do have a couple of spare desktops running Windows 11 Insider versions (Beta and Release Preview) so I'll know when/if 11 improves enough to merit replacing 10. But it doesn't look very promising so far. Maybe 12 will be the answer.
I doubt they will change control panel and main problem for me at the moment is how unusable it is, if not for that I could live with the rest of inconveniences
(in win10 I scroll and by the shape of text could easily find what I'm looking for in win11 with all that tiles everything looks the same, no matter how much I'm using it I still get lost and not only cause of tiles... everything is hidden even deeper than in win10, ah yes and new task manager that wastes much space or leaves you with unintuitive icons, though it seems that new task manager isn't on all devices, maybe they will go back to more reasonable design)
I run (win 10) and I like it. What happen in my life was so convenient. My tablet broke, and I use it a lot. So I need to get some kind of replacement. And, lo, Galaxy book is a PC that folds back into a tablet. And it is huge. I wanna go that direction. And it comes with win 11. So, now I get to "see" what all the hype is about. I am not gonna upgrade this computer until win 12. Win 11 is not as bad as they say. But it sure don't have anything I want to upgrade away from (win 10) for. I doubt (win 12) will either. EXCEPT, I think it is going to be mandatory in order to do any commerce at all. Shopping or Banking or anything that involves finance. I gotta get a new main-board and processor to install (win 11). So (win 12) will most likely be even more stringent. I'll upgrade then. There is ddr5 ram I'll get to taste. My computer is old. A revamp will be well desired.
switched to Linux in 2003, never looked back. I check videos like these at times as I am still called by friends to help with their computer woes. Recently done a fresh install of W11 on one of those, it wanted the user to have a microsoft account in order to use and log into their computer. Then I installed W10 on it and everything seems to work without the need for a microsoft account.
While it may take quite a bit of code/change, I would love if MS utilized some of the same strategy they did for XP to allow users to use layouts/themes they preferred from prior OSs. Many points would go to MS if we could see options that state ; Win 7/Win 10 themes based on taskbar etc..(not just the look) verses many buying third party software that is also a risk to do the things they are comfortable with. Heck, I even heard this is the prime reason from MS that Control Panel will not change as for this exact reason for businesses!! lol :)
being able to theme my system after older operating systems like windows 7 and vista more easily is why i downgraded from windows 11 to 10.
it’s such a niche demand i doubt they’d ever actually acknowledge it though 😔
what i want to see is ironclad settings for changing the browser, turning off the AI stuff, and major privacy things, ones where windows won't hassle or nag you to change them. that and they also better let us choose what style of the Start Menu that we want, because windows 10's style with the icons there to select from is just the best. if these aren't in windows 12, i'm not upgrading from 10 which i have currently, and if they force me to upgrade, well, off to Linux.
What happened to their plan to have one operating system with just getting upgrades as needed? Wasn't that supposed to be a thing they were going for?
Yes that was Windows 10. The 'last' windows operating system.
I believe tech media outlets have looked at this back when 11 was announced. I believe they found that the "this is the last Windows" statement was never actually made by a MS rep, it was a mistranslation/incorrect paraphrase? I'll see if I can find it.
@@benjaminoechsli1941 I always wondered how that was going to work as a business model! I guess I was correct in my assumption.
I believe OEMs like Dell and HP cried to Microsoft to create hype for their $500 best buy PCs. Feature / build version wasn't enough. Hype hype hype. Mania!
@@Feed9Will That sounds about right!
All I want is a built in frosted glass theme for windows apps, taskbar, and start menu (especially file explorer)
I liked the idea of 10 being the LAST windows...as Micro$oft originally planned. No 11 for me, the verdict is out on 12, most likely Linux is next on my PC @ 10's EOL.
the classic 'every year is the linux desktop year'
@@natix1_ i have seen so many people say "im switching to linux"
But it has never actually translated to increase in linus user numbers
@@RugerTooWavy It actually has, Linux has just hit 3% desktop market share in June.
they actually never said that 10 was going to be the final version of Windows, that was just a rumor
@@natix1_ 2 more years 🤣
Still doing my best to keep 10. Use XP as a VM Sandbox as well. Liked 7, but it used too much resources for use as a VM. Really thinking about biting the bullet and going Ubuntu; time will tell. I really like 10 and wish µ$ would continue to support 10. As for my old PC, it cannot even upgrade without going through hoops. My new PC keeps asking me to do so every other month and I deny the update. lol
:)
Ubuntu is pretty mediocre, Linux Mint would probably be a better distro to try.
@@MultiCool55 I'll keep that in mind; heard good stuff about Mint as well. :)
OMG! Who closed My Windows?!
Microsoft: ⬜️
Pin to desktop needs to have already been in Windows 7, 8, 10, and 11. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I have thought about throwing my laptop out of my window because I can't put things on my desktop. I hate having to find workarounds for this. Just make it a button already.
⬜️ If this is Windows 12.
⬛️ I’m Windows 13! 😑
if this is windows 13: ⬛️
then this might be windows 14:
Windows 1-
@@Ausar_The_Vile windows 15: 🔵
it's getting complexity again, yay.
I hope that they give you a windows theme changer in this one so you can use the themes and desktop layouts of older versions of windows. Or give you the option to make it your own and share it with other users.
I highly doubt the majority of user will even bat an eyes at its mear existence.
MS has intentionally crippled themeing and made even themeing hacks very difficult since windows 10 2004, so I doubt that, at best it'd be a colour picker.
Not possible. Microsoft would rather tell you that you like what they give you and could not possibly want to change it, because they know what you want better than you do.
@@thelakeman2538 Windows 10 didn't even come out in 2004.
@@trolledyouso1307 it's the build number
Winodws 11 is another version of Vista in regards of hardware compatibility. It wasn’t the Vista OS that was the issue, it was the hardware companies not wanting to update their devices to be compatible with it. Hence, came Windows 7 which was skin of Vista with some fixes. The OS’s since have been mostly different skins of Vista with added features and some features removed.
Dude I’ve been using windows 8.1 my whole life I’m never switching