REACTION TO Led Zeppelin - Carouselambra (TOO LONG? NO!!)
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Lol...I thought you would like this!! I think this is a JPJ composed song too. It was MAGNIFICENT hearing this in 1979...I was 19! I love the song!! I also love I'm Gonna Crawl!!
JPJ basically arranged this whole album.
@@toddmcclellan979 He definitely flys under the radar among these four rock titans. a massively talented musical genius!
This tune ROCKS HARD, and I'm Gonna Crawl rips as well. Love it.
I remember getting this album at the PX (dad was in the military), and this song absolutely blew my 12 year old head up. Stil listening and finding new things about it :)
Presence was a better album though.
People always mention the keyboards, but that bass is insane.
I adore this song; it is emotional, intense and I consider to be Zep's most prog rock. The vocals are a bit buried under the instrumentation, but the lyrics describe the entire arc of Led Zeppelin to that point and Robert's anger over the lack of support he felt after his son passed. Everything was basically milk and honey when they started ("all was joy and hands were raised towards the sun as love in the halls of plenty overrun"). It described how strong and powerful the group was ("and everything is soon, no sooner thought than deed but no one seemed to question anyway"). However, devastation was lurking ("How keen the storied hunter's eye prevails upon the land to seek the unsuspecting and the weak"). After the tragedy ("Who cares to dry the cheeks of those who saddened stand") the band had to figure out what to do ("...and make the 'status plan'") would Plant want to continue? What was going to happen? In the slowed down middle, part of the lyrics are "Where was your word, where did you go?" and "Where was your helping, where was your bow?" These parts are believed to be addressing Peter Grant and Jimmy specifically as Robert felt "Adrift on a sea of futile speech". From earlier songs, the cracks were already there but I think it was the aftermath of Karac's death that completed Robert's inner break with Zeppelin ("Release the grip, throw down the key") even if, outwardly, he was still in the band. At one point near the end, Robert yells "They had to stay!" I think the lyric is there because out of the group only Bonzo went back with Robert and was present at the funeral. Why? Some say the rest of the band didn't want to add to the already media frenzy during such a difficult time, some say they should have done *something*. Later in the mid-90s, when Jimmy and Robert reunited for Unledded, they would perform In The Evening but during the middle, work in the middle lyrics of Carouselambra but changed, so instead of "Where was your word, where did you go?" etc., you might hear "Where did you come from, where did you go? Strong was your armor, dark was your bow." You should read the full lyrics of the original song; their private story is almost painful to hear out loud. Thank you for your indulgence for this long post.
My previous post.
I will read anything if yours, Henrietta, no matter how long, about Zeppelin.
@@tektoniks_architects hi E!
@@helenespaulding7562 Hello, H.
Excellent summation, thanks. The greatest impediment to a Led Zeppelin reunion tour has been Plant's wish to chart his own music course. The band was Page's brainchild and he dominated its direction. He was the soul of Zeppelin. To follow paths Plant and even Jones wanted take would have taken away that soul and this song reflects that. It is not a Led Zeppelin song in my view. It is a Genesis song and that Peter Gabriel was suggested as a Bonham replacement reinforces that. Plant's solo albums have not worn well, so often embracing current musical trends when Zeppelin once started them. It was not until Plant moved back to his roots that his greatness as a singer again came to the fore. Jones continued down the prog path and I am not aware of any of his own work that matches what he achieved with Zeppelin. Unable to assemble the same depth of talent he had with Zeppelin, Page has drifted rudderless since 1980. The Coverdale and Page project made the right noises but it wasn't anywhere as good as Zeppelin. Neither was Walking into Clarkesdale. Rejoice in the sensational 10 years we got from Zeppelin but the band was dying in 1979 when this track was laid down . Bonzo's death avoided it dragging into the 1980s as a follower of fashion.
This song and album are looked on as ordinary by so many people but I think that it’s a brilliant album and song and while it’s not their best album it’s still miles better than most other bands albums 👏👏👏
If ever there was a Zeppelin song with a hidden message to be decoded which leads to a secret treasure, I would venture it to be this song. They definitely touched on the musical changes that would usher in the 80’s. Great stuff.
The lyrics are certainly intriguing, I call it the Led Zeppelin manifesto!
Page’s 12-string riff is one of the greatest ever, so clean and bright.
This was always my favorite song from this album! And yes, it DID blow my mind!
I've said this for years, at 7:27 when Jimmy Page starts playing those notes, he conjures up one of the greatest guitar tones I've ever heard. Listen to it again and think about it.
As someone who actually bought this album in 1979, it just cemented the fact that Zeppelin was/still is one if the greatest rock bands ever.
Truly timeless
3 songs in 1!
I love the overall feel of this song, it just keeps rising and rising for the first 4 minutes; like riding around on a carousel while the excitement keeps building. Then they break it down for a 3 minute soulful, contemplative section with, dare I say it, shades of Lakeside Park by Rush. And yup, I'm gonna call it; those last 3 and a half minutes are pure disco. Just when you thought Zep wouldn't go there, you've got people skating to this at the roller rink. And the lyrics? Yeah, I have no idea either.
The lyrics are about the band's behaviour and their isolation from the real world without a sense of what was to hit them in the future. Some of it was rather critical of Jimmy Page for failing to support Robert Plant when his son died suddenly while they were on tour. From what Robert Plant said at a later time, the person this is about did not realise at the time of the song.
('Who cares to dry the cheeks of those who saddened stand ( reference to Robert?)
Adrift upon a sea of futile speech? ( reference to Robert?)
And to fall to fate and make the 'status plan'
And the Lord there in heaven would never preach.
I'm singin',
Ah, ah, ah, ah.
Where was your word, where did you go? ( reference to Jimmy?)
Where was your helping, where was your bow? Bow.' ) ( reference to Jimmy?)
I heard the word; I couldn't stay. Oh. ( reference to Robert getting news about his son?)
I couldn't stand it another day, another day, (reference to Robert's reaction to the news?)
Another day-ay, day-ay, another day, another day.
@@heliotropezzz333 Thanks Helen!
Bonzo going absolutely BANANAS on the outro!
this song kicks ass!
I dare say, that more times than not, this is my Favorite Zeppelin song. The interplay and musicianship are unmatched and those lyrics are beyond amazing.
The vocals, like in many Zep songs, plays the part of another instrument.
The bass line here is phenomenal and almost dance-like, the drums are killer and in the pocket as always and those simple but effective added chords from Page make this song nothing short of a Masterpiece. Straight Up!
So great seeing people discover Zeppelin, this song is a hidden treasure ,Prog without being up it's own behind,the outro is probablymy most rewind moment in any song ,the aggressive guitar keeps you wanting it to go on and on. Again Zeppelin were pioneering without even knowing it.The 80s rock and pop were dominated by keyboards ,Van Halens most popular song Jump ,keyboard led, yet Zeppelin were just plotting their own course before everyone else. Still my favourite band of all time because the sheer scope and landscape of so many genres in their music keeps me interested as it did in 1981 when first discovered them, yes bad timing when you consider the passing of Bonzo the year before. When people say Stones or Beatles I aways reply Led Zeppelin.. Thankfully I saw all the solo tours from 1983 to last month and I was lucky enough to be at the Zeppelin reunion show in 2007 ,it blew my mind with John Bonhams son on drums. Kashmir that night was singularly the best live moment at any gig I've been too and that's since 1982.
I'm glad you appreciate their music ,I feel envious of people discovering them for the 1st time now as back in 81 I was the same ,literally the min I heard Whole Lotta Love my music world changed . For me the greatest band in popular music history 👏🤘
I was in my early twenties when this LP was released. I could feel the shifting tides musically, with Punk and Disco invading the airwaves, and rock bands trying to stave off the onslaught. But Led Zeppelin were always there to provide the much needed foundation.
It was so refreshing when Zeppelin dropped new tunes into the mix, just like the proverbial Hammer of the Gods laying down the musical direction for the future.
Yes, there was always great anticipation when new Zeppelin music was going to be released. You made sure you knew the hours of your local record store so you could line up for the precious product!
The anticipation, so true, then you'd listen to it over and over again, in different states of being I might add :)
@@Ledzepnut 😂
I bought this album on the day of it's release. I was 20 years old. This track was a big surprise, but never a let down. A few months later I was sitting in a field in Knebworth achieving a long-held ambition to see Led Zeppelin play live. That wasn't a let-down either....I went back the following week to see them again!
JPJ and Plant took more of a lead on the musical direction during recording In Through the Out Door as Page and Bonzo were struggling with their addictions and sometimes were no shows or late to sessions. JPJ was a musical genius and often overlooked for all his many contributions and this track is his opus. Robert was mourning the death of his son and he is more contemplative in his lyrics on a few tracks on this album.
I really enjoy Carouselambra and only wish I could hear Plant more.
"Held now within the knowing, rest now within the beat, take of the fruit, but guard the seed"
That's my favorite part of this song, there was a time after cd's had been invented that I had this 1 song on repeat for months. I had recorded all Zeppelin on VHS-HiFi back then and I would let it play while me and a lot of friends were outside hanging out, it was always good. We could of course hear it clearly half a block away.
Yes the stero systems back then with gigantic speakers, we were in heaven :)
I consider this song Zeppelin's swan song, their final great epic.
Lyrically the song is about the history of the band, its early success and then problems later, particularly Plant's problems with PAge and Peter Grant.
Plant was hurt when only Bonham showed real sympathy for his son's death
Please stop.
@@kevinbrady6075 stop what? It’s true
@@helenespaulding7562 Is that a bad joke?It better be,Page hurt Robert so bad,the no reuionons?opps! O2?Oh, and tell me dear lady anout Peter Grant,Go on,....
@@kevinbrady6075 Helene here. what’s up, Kevin?? You told gar y to “please stop”….In common usage that normally means that you disagree with what is being said. ! I know the history very well, and since gar y is correct, I was asking YOU why you disagreed with his statement. And yet It turns out that you rather passionately agree with him, as I do myself. So you and I agree. So I’m wondering why you said “please stop” if you agree? Miscommunication?
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 HI Geoffry,
Did you read what I wrote?Or the Davis's book HOTG nonsense?
Wikipedia and Rolling Stone waffle on about the synth sounds... Don't they hear what a frigging awesome sound the bass and the drums are making AS EVER... the synths as just a cherry on the top as far a I am concerned...!!
Bought the album in 1979 when it was released, put the needle on the record and mind blown. Nothing else bring played then sounded like this. Most people (in Australia) were into disco at the time. My peers thought I was a freak because I was into Led Zeppelin.
You said after the Zep albums you'd get into some documentaries, interviews, cover and tribute songs. I'd wager that most of your audience is more interested in you exploring more music by the various band members ( solo acts, page and plant, etc ) than they are in covers and whatnot.
Totally agree, more music, documentaries would be boring
The closest I ever came to seeing Led Zeppelin was the Page/Plant Tour in 1995. I was 13 when In Through the Out Door was released and was being heard on the radio, all of my love, in the evening, and fool in the rain were all widely played. I really miss my youth, simple times, great friends, and great music. Thanks for the reaction sir, anticipating your reaction to i'm gonna crawl, the last track.
I saw the Page and Plant tour twice. Normally, It featured one set with just the regular band and the second set added an orchestra. One show I was at, the orchestra was stuck in traffic so Pagey and plant had to play an extra 45 minutes with the regular band while we waited. Crazy setlist.
And you have to do Led Zeppelin's last reunion concert in 2007 the 02 gig! They're all in their 60s and still kicking ass! Jason Bonham John Bonham's son played the drums for this concert!
An absolutely amazing song ..
and John Bohnham passed soon after this, from what i remember, definitely music of my life in early 80s
I like that you are so in tune with the small details that are over looked and really bring quality to a song
I was a freshman in college in '79, and would open my dorm room door on the hall and blast this on my Lloyd's stereo.
Love your channel. What a drag the Zeppelin reactions are over. I was really enjoying them. Great job! 👍❤️🎸
I wouldn't say this song was a surprise. The 60's and 70's had a lot of great bands playing with different sounds. If anything I would say we came to expect it, especially from certain groups.
THIS is where it's at. I was obsessed with this song when the album came out.....easily my favorite song on "In Through The Out Door".
EDIT: Yeah, I was one of those 15 year olds in 1979 who had their minds blown, play after play after play. :-)
Same,,,,💥💥💥👍😎
I was also 15 in 1979 and this album never left my turntable
A song ahead of its time!! Thank you for reacting to this song!!!!!
I love ALL of Led Zeppelins albums.
I love this entire album as well. Very much.
Takes me back to my teenage and early 20's years.
Nice job bro.
I love this song, I love the lyrics in this song, and this is the song I thought of when I first heard you describe the type of music you like back in the beginning of you’re Led Zeppelin journey!!!
Funny after all these years I remember just how this goes- infectious- I am gonna dig out my LP!✨
The lyrics are amazing. REALLY makes you think of the esoteric meaning regards the nature of reality
This tune is a journey like no other!
Probably my fave song on this album!
Once again, I forgot how good this song is
You should check out No Quarter album by Page and Plant when you finish with Coda. They do some amazing arrangements of Zeppelin songs and recorded a couple of new ones. After that you could hit their Walking Into Clarksdale album of all new material.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a reactor hit those before but since a good portion of your following are diehard Zeppelin fans you'd be perfect for it bruv
Their solo work as well
Soul train Bro did No Quarter tour but it might be blocked on UA-cam. You can check
Yes,,,,I was 14 when this came out and yes it blew my mind. Zeppelin was God,,,,,glad you like them. 💥💥💥👍😎
I'd kinda forgotten how good this song was. I don't visit this album very often, except for the extraordinarily beautiful "All of My Love". Thanks for the reminder.
It's one of my favorites, because I also love keyboards, and it is 3 songs in one. Beginning, middle and end can be separated into 3 songs.
Masterpiece in my opinion. I was 12 when this released, we were all so excited that we would finally get to see Zeppelin for the first time on their upcoming USA tour. Then one day in late September the local DJ came on and broke our hearts.
I remember,,,,,😭😭😭😭👎
Nice reaction...if i may make a suggestion once you finish Coda you have to consider two other albums of Page and Plant even though they don't feature John Paul Jones and John Bonham, they're still something to listen too. One is Walking into Clarkesdale a studio album with all new songs, with a Grammy Award winning song "Most High" for Best Hard Rock Performance. The other is a live album "No Quarter:Page and Plant Unledded" where they reworked old songs and some new, which included an Egyptian Orchestra and a Moroccan string section, Kashmir was taken to another level. A must listen you wont regret it.
Even Coverdale Page has some great tracks. I saw Robert and Jimmy play one of them in Philly....the crowd was stunned, the assumption at the time was that Plant would never sing that.
@@BenWillyums you're right there are a few good songs...i think you're referring to Shake My Tree where robert and jimmy did it live in 1995...nice guitar in that song
Page is playing more of the Fender on this album. That has a lot of influence on his playing and style. This sound is 5 years later in his band “ The Firm “. He used the brown Telecaster.
I Was 17 and purchased this album the first day it came out
“You can’t take me all the way up there and bring me down like this”
Oh, they can, they will and they just did.
That’s why they’re Led Zeppelin…The Greatest Band Of All Time🤘🏼
💯
I saw Plant and Page on tour together in the 90s. The closest they ever got to a reunion tour besides their Celebration Day concert. John Paul Jones was not invited to participate . They actually incorporated one of the middle sections of this song into the middle of "In The Evening". Led Zep often would combine small parts of a song into another.
What I remember about this album besides the great music,if I’m correct is that there were 3 different album covers made for this release but it was packaged in a brown paper sack so the buyer didn’t know which album cover they were going to get until it was opened after purchasing,just like the music they produced you never knew which way the song was going to progress with the incredible talent these 4 musicians possessed as a combined group.
The bass is sick.
with coda, make sure you look up travelling riverside blues. an unreleased song that was added to coda for a remaster.
"The Girl I Love She Got Long Black Wavy Hair" as well
There's a lot of Page and Plant live videos out there with orchestras, very nice to watch.
"I heard the word,.. couldn't stand another day" A true cry from Robert about the loss of his son.
They were so damn good! My gosh!!!!!!!!!!
ITTOD is a departure from the guitar laiden Presence album in that Page uses the power chords very constructively, especially in Carouselambra. John Paul Jones was front and center so this is a more keyboard based album plus it was recorded at ABBA's Polar Studios and it lends that distinctive Polar sound so it's a perfect match. Genesis also recorded the Duke album there shortly after Led Zeppelin finished up and it also has the same type of atmosphere in its recording delivery, very clean, crisp but dynamic studio quality and I love the way it sounds, it's different from any other Zepp release for those reasons. I was 19 at this time and a Zepp fan for 10 years and they just kept evolving and it kept whatever they did fresh and there was still room to grow and expand as a band. They had no peak studio related yet. Page already had ideas for a guitar based album for the next release but that never happened.
Thanks for bringing back my early teens
In 79' I was 26. I saw them twice in the early 70s. The albums "In through the out door" " Presence" and "" Physical graffiti" took me awhile to accept but I eventually did. 😄
Perfect title for this song.I could see this being played at an amusement park while the carousel horses are going fast in circles.
Had my Sony Walkman with the head phones and would crank this while I was on the carnival ride. The swings. When the ride would get faster the more the swings would get pulled out. Round and round. That's how this song made me feel. Good morning to all and God Bless
For sure need lyrics for this song. I luv it bro!! And hey, NEVER apologize for going back to hear more Zeppelin, it’s totally understandable. Rock on!!¡
This reminds me of when we were out cruzing as teenagers it was great as the song was long and just awesome
All of my Love is one of my favorites, it's written by Robert Plant and dedicated his son who passed away at age 5 while they were on tour. I was 14 when It came out and I first heard it. Such a cool song while driving
When a band creates so many iconic songs, the set lists for a live performance write themselves.
I was 16 when this album came out, and it blew my mind to bits. Really sparked a lot of arguing among the fanbase, too. I especially loved that Zep-goes-Kraftwerk last section, as I'd just discovered Kraftwerk's music a year earlier. The band apparently worked out a live version for the Celebration Day show, but didn't do it.
Actually Robert Plant's solo career, his music extremely underrated. No one has reacted to yet. I would highly suggest delving into that. Zepp fans would love it ! 👍
The last three minutes or so gives you a pretty good idea of what JPJ’s music was going to be like In his solo work…especially Zuma.
Yes!!!!... Great song
This and Physical Graffiti are my favorite Albums. I love this song. So cool and different, but you never knew what to expect from Zep! That's what make them so good. They get labeled Hard Rock, but that is only one aspect of their diverse music. You should listen to a few more solo songs by Plant and Page's The Firm and Coverdale Page. Also check out Sea of Love by the Honeydrippers (Robert singing with a lot of talented artists including Brian Setzer, Jeff beck, Nile Rogers, and Page).
the bassline just banger
The bass is so underrated in this
Beautiful song by L.Z. is Thank You !
Arguably their most prog song. Hints of Yes and Rush in there but totally Zeppelin at the same time. JPJ doing his thing! Great track! :)
bought this album in '79 at 15 yrs old.. every track top-notch.. Zepp is def a fusion of blues, hard, progressive, folk, funk.. and more.. all mixed up with unheralded depth.
Page and Plant tour Salvo!! Remember to listen to THAT version of Kashmir (Irvine Meadows) JPJ showing out on this one no doubt. Finishes pretty progressive. Just more Zeppelin greatness ho hum! RIP and Love Bonham! Led Zeppelin A to Z is good and must watch The song remains the same!!!
Love This Song... The bands true Swan Song.
Make sure you include Travelin Riverside Blues. It wasn't released on an album but it's in the box set. I'm sure it's on here. It was supposed to go on III, but they yanked it and put The Lemon Song on there instead. It's easy to see where The Lemon Song draws it's inspiration.
i love this song, it's LZ showing the new wave coming.
SalvoG - You metiontion that you can't imagine what this must have sounded like iwhen it was released in 1979.... The problem with the 70's is that just about all the big bands around were "redefining the sound of music".... Once the Beatles had opened the floodgates then it all poured out... Damn I was lucky to be in my 20's in the 70's....!!!
Zeppelin was a smorgasbord of music genres, and they mastered all that came before them. People call them rip off's, but 1 : They played versions of other peoples music as a tribute to them. 2: They made it their own, rather than completely copy the original songs and or styles. 3: Lets be honest, every style they attempted they made far better versions of.
Amazing song, only Led Zeppelin could make a song such as this AND the rest of the songs on the album.
underrated gem this
The next song is so touching…..listen to the lyrics. I wonder how you can survive the death of a child…….Robert was going to become a teacher, but was persuaded to return to music (and Zeppelin) by his best friend, Bonzo, who saw him through the worst of his grief. All of My Love is Robert’s message to his beloved little boy.
I sometimes wonder, if Zeppelin had ceased to be in 1977, after Karacs death, if John Bonham would have been able to get his drinking under control and might still be with us. He drank so much on the day he died because he was dreading the tour to the US that was planned. He hated being away from his family. In “saving” Robert, it’s as though he lost himself.
another underrated Zep song, its almost great
Carouselambra was the Zep song that made me think that they might have been checking out YES and Genesis.. Although Zep were never catagorized as progressive rock, they had been flirting with it for years with odd time signatures and eclectic instrumentation.
"Take of the fruit, but guard the seed.."
That sounds like a phrase right out of the YES files. And is it just me or does the opening track Behind the Lines from Duke, the Genesis album relessed that same year have a similar vibe?
To me, this song is fabulous but also very sad because any cracks in their relationships were widening, mostly due to the interplay of their individual personal struggles. Glad you'll be reacting to Coda. Some great songs on it that didn't make the cut as far back as album 1. Would also like to hear your reaction to the rest of their 2007 concert (you reacted to Kashmir from it), as well as perhaps entire concerts and/or albums, their individual music careers after LZ, documentaries, interviews, etc.
Edit: Not so interested in covers by other bands. As good as other musicians might be, none can play LZ music with the same kind of magic. ;)
The second part reminds me of SNES video game music.
under-rated Zeppelin album for sure
I believe the lyrics are about the band's behaviour and their isolation from the real world without a sense of what was to hit them in the future. Some of it was rather critical of Jimmy Page for failing to support Robert Plant when his son died suddenly while they were on tour. From what Robert Plant said at a later time, the person this is about did not realise at the time of the song.
('Who cares to dry the cheeks of those who saddened stand ( reference to Robert?)
Adrift upon a sea of futile speech? ( reference to Robert?)
And to fall to fate and make the 'status plan' (Reference to Jimmy making a status plan?)
And the Lord there in heaven would never preach.
I'm singin',
Ah, ah, ah, ah.
Where was your word, where did you go? ( reference to Jimmy?)
Where was your helping, where was your bow? Bow.' ) ( reference to Jimmy?)
I heard the word; I couldn't stay. Oh. ( reference to Robert getting news about his son?)
I couldn't stand it another day, another day, (reference to Robert's reaction to the news?)
Another day-ay, day-ay, another day, another day.
@@tektoniks_architects Both posts are listed as 1 hour ago and I did not see yours before I was writing and posted mine. In fact I first wrote mine 2 hours ago and posted it in response to someone saying they didn't know what the lyrics were about. I then posted it (again) separately, 1 hour ago, as I wasn't sure whether the reviewer would see it otherwise. He was also wondering what the lyrics were about.
@@tektoniks_architects Aw, well, I've not seen Michael Noland's page. I knew this info from my own research on what Robert Page had said about it and from my guessing which lines applied to whom.
@@tektoniks_architects Good day.
Sal….you’re looking for other classic rock bands to visit, yes? Since you love synth, a few you might consider are Moody Blues, Yes and ELP.
I am sure you will LOVE tomorrows song 😂😂😂🙏🙏👌
You got a like just on the introduction alone...!
when youve done coda you really should dive into live gigs, thats a whole other world!!!
this song was only played when the DJ had to use the mens room
You’re closing in on 10000 subs Sal. If you want to grow like hell, start reacting Nightwish. They have an army of fans and are currently touring in the US
The truth behind the song and the revealing lyrics was Robert's growing disenchantment with the band and their circus lifestyle, and the growing emotional wedge between him and Jimmy Page.
06:15 I'll tell you what! I was 15y in 1979 and would smoke a joint and then lay on my back on the floor with my head between 2 Zenith Allegro speakers.
The only dissapointment is that they never played it in front of a live audience.
It would have been awesome if they played it at the O2 concert.
Live performances, documentaries and interviews, yes! But cover songs? Why? I have very little interest in hearing random covers of Led Zeppelin music. You have 40+ years of post-Zep material from the original band members you could review -- why would you want to hear others perform LZ songs instead of following what these guys have done after LZ?
Yeah I said the same thing, check out Outrider, Now & Zen, Manic Nirvana, Page & Plant, The Firm, Coverdale/Page....