As a 30 year retired law enforcement officer who spent most of her career supervising investigations, I am appalled at how this investigation was conducted. I have heard nothing so far that these investigators did correctly. One would think when they call in the big guns (MA State Police), the investigations would be done properly, but it appears their ineptness was as poor as the Canton Police. I would be ashamed to call this an investigation and I would hide my head in shame if I were them. We expect better from professionals. I had hoped law enforcement had moved past "the good ole days" when "the good ole boys" were in charge.
Thank you for your service. Respectfully, it is important to clearly note how the Defense is painting(!) the investigation in their cross-examination and how Lally sets the record straight in his redirect. Therein lies the truth. We must not be fooled by the very slick Defense tactics in this case. I’ll give several examples: The use of red solo cups and a leaf blower was blasted by Defense but testimony revealed that: the Canton police had never investigated a homicide for lack of resources etc. but had always turned over such investigations to the State Police; the State Police could not get there for hours bc of a historic blizzard; the Canton police had NO appropriate evidence containers for samples of snow w blood so they improvised; the leaf blower would gently uncover levels of additional snow fallen since murder; if they did not collect blood evidence then it would melt &be gone forever bc rain began to fall; they operated on the principle of ‘something is better than nothing’ AND there was never a question that the blood was that of the victim O’Keefe; all the improvised evidence gathering in brutal blizzard conditions was video recorded by them. I could give numerous other instances. We need to pay very careful attention and note facts only(!), not innuendo etc., that is later debunked by Lally on redirect. Every time the Defense attacks the integrity of the investigation and insinuates something, Lally comes back to show facts, truth, context, etc., and how, by implication, many (not all) of the smears of the Defense are groundless. I am not on “either side”. I just see these things.
On Friday, Brian Higgins tried to deny he dumped his phone on military base. He said “that’s not correct” but actually it was true and he admitted it Tuesday. He’s a lying, slimy, snake. These people are soooo dodgy. Wouldn’t trust any of them!
An ATF agent who committed a federal crime then destroyed his phone and we’re supposed to believe he has nothing to hide. All these cops are too used to being believed the first time
I think it’s illegal to drop garbage at a military base. I mean there’s all kind of national security issues wrapped up in just that fact. Much less a federal agent throwing out evidence.
I really like that you provide a detailed summarization without playing trial clips for hours. I watch parts of the direct & cross examinations on another other channel, but always come to your channel to hear your take each day.
I got a call from my son which on my recent calls, shows 13 sec. I had my headphones on as I was listening to audiobook. Siri announced, [firstname lastname] call, do you want to answer it? Me: yes but it didn’t answer so I have to manually take my phone from my legging’s pocket and press the phone button to answer. My son: wait for me mum, I’m right here. Me: what? Where are you? Son: right here, turn around. Me: oh ok, can see you. 13 seconds for all of the above. Then I thought of this case and the 22 seconds call at 2:22am. That’s plenty of time to talk during those butt dials 😂
As a former military and a federal agent, he would know better than anyone(esp being ATF) that taking anything on a federal base to dump in their trash is illegal.
❤ That testimony Brian Higgins talked about was a "proffer" agreement in a FBI interview about his and others involvement/actions in the murder investigation. But they didn't get to mention that, and because he changed/denied some of his testimony ,he now can be in trouble due to his "proffer". He is also put on administrative leave, because of an internal investigation, which is on hold as long as the FBI is doing the criminal investigation... I really hope that the FBI is able to get the information they need to solve this, because the MA PD has definitely not been doing their job, to give justice for John O'Keefe and Karen Read and their families.........
Lally did not rehabilitate him, because he changed and lied about his actions, and the FBI has his real truthfully answers in his "proffer" agreement...😂😅 I hope that they will drag him back and decline the "proffer" and prosecutes him.....
Higgins told the agent's that he called back, but no one was saying anything for 22 seconds in the other end, in his FBI testimony. In his first testimony (to the grand jury) they both denied that they had called each other at all..........
Do these cops in Kenton have nothing better to do than go out together to local bars and drink lots of beer? If they get drunk, something is likely to happen.
My worry would be if there was some large emergency in the town, half or all the police are under the influence of alcohol!!!! Terrifying when you think of it from that point.
As soon as I heard that I assumed she was calling the phone in order to find it after it was lost during the time he was being killed, and not by Karen Read!
My daughter is going to apply for medicine school and after watching this doc I think they would accept her(hopefully)I told her just answer interview questions with a straight and strong tone!!!!😊
I love your nightly recaps - Thank you for keeping us informed. can only assume that the defense will ask for dismissal when Lally fails to prove his case...will Bev allow it? Is this probable? What then?
Your enthusiasm for analyzing this trial is the only reason I have any interest in it at all, especially after 2½ weeks of testimony but nothing to show the defendant was the k*ller. Yannetti crushed the cross examination of Brian Higgins! Lally? I don't think he has ever tried a really challenging case before. He hasn't gone under for the third time... yet! I read somewhere that he has more than 30 witnesses left! Sincerely hoping he doesn't call them all! Fortunately for me, there is your channel which has reignited my interest every single day! Thank you!
How biased is the judge that she would sigh and grunt against the defense but for the prosecution she’s willing to go to great lengths and have everyone suffer in heat bcus Mr lally doesn’t have the balls to speak up .
Even if the NADH was high, it is possible, she had a few drinks after she returned home from dropping him off. She did call and leave a message on John's phone at around 2am.
It is quite possible KR drank over the hours she was home which renders the blood alcohol results inaccurate. As well the time was measured from when the accident is thought to have occurred not based on when KR had her last drink. Without those variables being accounted for, as the witness reported, the results are useless. I appreciate your objective takes each day-thanks.
I don’t see how drinking at 1am is not relevant. If she had 2 glasses of wine at 1pm that was after she allegedly hit JO. It would definitely impact the calculation.
I interpreted the real deal response as Higgins wanted the real deal in his love life. He didn't say I want a real deal with you (Karen). When you meet someone you talk about what you are looking for in a relationship, not necessarily with the person you are talking to, in general.
I have lived in many places and they all had either a community dumpster or some sort of trash pickup. Who lives somewhere that doesn’t have either of those? Or is there a place where that doesn’t happen?
Higgins said he didn’t know about an order. But then he ditches the phone immediately after the order is denied. So if you didn’t know the order ever existed until the FED hearing, how did you know it was then denied a month later?! None of what he says makes sense. This man is a slime ball and a liar.
And how do you know what the minor O’Keefe children testified to when there was a strict court order prohibiting the children’s testimony from being seen by the public? Are court orders held so cheaply?
@@TRACE317Being told the relationship is over is not a good sign, John telling Karen to move out, to leave the house and her refusal to do so, also not symptomatic of a healthy relationship.
2:30 I never believe anything anyone says unless it's in writing. You're a fool if you do. being told by the prosecutor, something, especially this prosecutor, is completely unreliable.
I have heard the FBI is investigating Proctor. Is this concerning just this case ? Will the guilty person if not KR ever be arrested. Surely Karen cant be the "end" of this investigation with all these sketchy findings.
Who is Melissa? Did Melissa say to KR,'hey,BH is crushing on you,and I'll give you his digits.' We only have BH's word on that. Even with how did you...he seems to play naive with KR
Agreed, I believe she hit him in a drunk rage probably not intened to kill, went home drank more, when he didn't show up, started making calls and trying to cover while still intoxicated possibly in a black out. Shameful investigation does leave doubt, unfortunately.
One of the kids said yesterday that karen didn't mention any possibility of hitting John until she was on the phone to JEN. Jen put the idea in her head from get go. Jen states Karen was the one who said to go to Fairview. Kerry said it was Jen who instigated that. It's time to open yourself up to the possibility you are also being gaslit into believing a narrative
Higgins holds the key to free KR. He obviously was hurt by KR’s ignoring him. KR and JO were lovey doveys on the night and he probably knew that his chance is gone.
@@SalingerNYC guilty people do odd things and one thing is that butt dials and destroying evidence makes all of them looks worse than guilt. So logic? I’ll follow the track if I were you.
@@SalingerNYC she said “Did I hit him or could I have hit him “ however, evidence shows, she couldn’t have hit him. BH didn’t see a body when he left. He drives a Jeep which he parked facing the flagpole, 6 ft man in a white layered snow. At this stage, a body would have been still visible and not yet snowed over. Anyway, 22 sec is a lot of time to talk. See my comment below.
@@SalingerNYC The car had snow and still driving away? 😂 anyway, you have your opinion and that’s ok but you have to listen to every word that was presented at court. That’s what convicts or exonerates people. So far, nothing has been presented to convict. I studied criminology so just analysing what was presented at court.
@@SalingerNYC I'm having a hard time believing that someone actually really believes that those were legitimate "butt dials." 3 different witnesses with suspicious butt dials to each other in a span of a couple of hours. Additionally, it was not the phone calls he was destroying with the phone. It was the texts that he selectively chose not to provide to the state. The accusation is not that he is the murderer but that he was disillusioned enough to tamper with evidence to assist his friends and not the lady that closed the door to a possible relationship.
As a 30 year retired law enforcement officer who spent most of her career supervising investigations, I am appalled at how this investigation was conducted. I have heard nothing so far that these investigators did correctly. One would think when they call in the big guns (MA State Police), the investigations would be done properly, but it appears their ineptness was as poor as the Canton Police. I would be ashamed to call this an investigation and I would hide my head in shame if I were them. We expect better from professionals. I had hoped law enforcement had moved past "the good ole days" when "the good ole boys" were in charge.
Thank you for your service. Respectfully, it is important to clearly note how the Defense is painting(!) the investigation in their cross-examination and how Lally sets the record straight in his redirect. Therein lies the truth. We must not be fooled by the very slick Defense tactics in this case. I’ll give several examples: The use of red solo cups and a leaf blower was blasted by Defense but testimony revealed that: the Canton police had never investigated a homicide for lack of resources etc. but had always turned over such investigations to the State Police; the State Police could not get there for hours bc of a historic blizzard; the Canton police had NO appropriate evidence containers for samples of snow w blood so they improvised; the leaf blower would gently uncover levels of additional snow fallen since murder; if they did not collect blood evidence then it would melt &be gone forever bc rain began to fall; they operated on the principle of ‘something is better than nothing’ AND there was never a question that the blood was that of the victim O’Keefe; all the improvised evidence gathering in brutal blizzard conditions was video recorded by them. I could give numerous other instances. We need to pay very careful attention and note facts only(!), not innuendo etc., that is later debunked by Lally on redirect. Every time the Defense attacks the integrity of the investigation and insinuates something, Lally comes back to show facts, truth, context, etc., and how, by implication, many (not all) of the smears of the Defense are groundless. I am not on “either side”. I just see these things.
Do you agree with this statement? Corruption and ineptitude in law enforcement is a national crisis.
On Friday, Brian Higgins tried to deny he dumped his phone on military base. He said “that’s not correct” but actually it was true and he admitted it Tuesday. He’s a lying, slimy, snake. These people are soooo dodgy. Wouldn’t trust any of them!
An ATF agent who committed a federal crime then destroyed his phone and we’re supposed to believe he has nothing to hide. All these cops are too used to being believed the first time
I think it’s illegal to drop garbage at a military base. I mean there’s all kind of national security issues wrapped up in just that fact. Much less a federal agent throwing out evidence.
@@Kknightstarit’s against military regulations for sure
I really like that you provide a detailed summarization without playing trial clips for hours.
I watch parts of the direct & cross examinations on another other channel, but always come to your channel to hear your take each day.
I got a call from my son which on my recent calls, shows 13 sec. I had my headphones on as I was listening to audiobook. Siri announced, [firstname lastname] call, do you want to answer it? Me: yes but it didn’t answer so I have to manually take my phone from my legging’s pocket and press the phone button to answer. My son: wait for me mum, I’m right here. Me: what? Where are you? Son: right here, turn around. Me: oh ok, can see you. 13 seconds for all of the above. Then I thought of this case and the 22 seconds call at 2:22am. That’s plenty of time to talk during those butt dials 😂
That destroying of phone and Sim card.....guilty as hell
Using the military base to dispose of personal garbage would also be a federal offense, right?
My iPhone doesn’t count the seconds until it’s answered either by voicemail or a person. That was not accurate.
As a former military and a federal agent, he would know better than anyone(esp being ATF) that taking anything on a federal base to dump in their trash is illegal.
❤ That testimony Brian Higgins talked about was a "proffer" agreement in a FBI interview about his and others involvement/actions in the murder investigation. But they didn't get to mention that, and because he changed/denied some of his testimony ,he now can be in trouble due to his "proffer". He is also put on administrative leave, because of an internal investigation, which is on hold as long as the FBI is doing the criminal investigation... I really hope that the FBI is able to get the information they need to solve this, because the MA PD has definitely not been doing their job, to give justice for John O'Keefe and Karen Read and their families.........
Lally did not rehabilitate him, because he changed and lied about his actions, and the FBI has his real truthfully answers in his "proffer" agreement...😂😅 I hope that they will drag him back and decline the "proffer" and prosecutes him.....
Higgins told the agent's that he called back, but no one was saying anything for 22 seconds in the other end, in his FBI testimony.
In his first testimony (to the grand jury) they both denied that they had called each other at all..........
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Do these cops in Kenton have nothing better to do than go out together to local bars and drink lots of beer? If they get drunk, something is likely to happen.
Something is likely to happen 🤔
My worry would be if there was some large emergency in the town, half or all the police are under the influence of alcohol!!!! Terrifying when you think of it from that point.
I really wanna know why Jen stopped texting John every 3 minutes that nite.
As soon as I heard that I assumed she was calling the phone in order to find it after it was lost during the time he was being killed, and not by Karen Read!
She probably thought he went home and decided to focus on her friends inside the house instead.
@@soniaf6156then why did she call him 7 times after the texts?
Yay. Let's roll.
Dueling Butt Dials!!
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Trying to keep an open mind which is challenging when the way the investigation and testimony is full of holes like a Swiss cheese.
You still have hope for the prosecution?
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@@littlesmith5005 LOL 😊
I too enjoy your recaps. I rehear the trial thru your interpretations I must of missed or didn’t understand. ❤
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Either Lally or Helena Rafferty alerted Brian Albert and Brian Higgins about the preservation order. Or Michael Proctor. And who told Michael Proctor?
That ER doctor was odd - seemed very out of it and sniffing all the time.
My daughter is going to apply for medicine school and after watching this doc I think they would accept her(hopefully)I told her just answer interview questions with a straight and strong tone!!!!😊
I love your nightly recaps - Thank you for keeping us informed. can only assume that the defense will ask for dismissal when Lally fails to prove his case...will Bev allow it? Is this probable? What then?
Hilarious that no substantial conversation can happen in 22sec but HIS lawyer can have a conversation in 10 sec. 😅😅😮😂
It wasn’t near a military base. It was on the military base. The town he had property at has trash pickup.
Your enthusiasm for analyzing this trial is the only reason I have any interest in it at all, especially after 2½ weeks of testimony but nothing to show the defendant was the k*ller.
Yannetti crushed the cross examination of Brian Higgins!
Lally? I don't think he has ever tried a really challenging case before. He hasn't gone under for the third time... yet! I read somewhere that he has more than 30 witnesses left! Sincerely hoping he doesn't call them all!
Fortunately for me, there is your channel which has reignited my interest every single day! Thank you!
How biased is the judge that she would sigh and grunt against the defense but for the prosecution she’s willing to go to great lengths and have everyone suffer in heat bcus Mr lally doesn’t have the balls to speak up .
All Lally does is say objection after everything the defence says. Geez go back to school
Even if the NADH was high, it is possible, she had a few drinks after she returned home from dropping him off. She did call and leave a message on John's phone at around 2am.
It is quite possible KR drank over the hours she was home which renders the blood alcohol results inaccurate. As well the time was measured from when the accident is thought to have occurred not based on when KR had her last drink. Without those variables being accounted for, as the witness reported, the results are useless. I appreciate your objective takes each day-thanks.
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I don’t see how drinking at 1am is not relevant. If she had 2 glasses of wine at 1pm that was after she allegedly hit JO. It would definitely impact the calculation.
I interpreted the real deal response as Higgins wanted the real deal in his love life. He didn't say I want a real deal with you (Karen). When you meet someone you talk about what you are looking for in a relationship, not necessarily with the person you are talking to, in general.
Are you writing directly to Karen herself? Lol. It's easy to infer from their messages that he wanted her/the real deal (relationship).
What do we have to do to get a brother council, Melanie little Mark Bederow panel?
Ask them! :)
I have lived in many places and they all had either a community dumpster or some sort of trash pickup. Who lives somewhere that doesn’t have either of those? Or is there a place where that doesn’t happen?
Turtle boy was in the Courtroom, he took notes.
Hi martin! would you say that the fact that the order to preserve the phone was resinded isn't so great for the defense?
Higgins said he didn’t know about an order. But then he ditches the phone immediately after the order is denied. So if you didn’t know the order ever existed until the FED hearing, how did you know it was then denied a month later?! None of what he says makes sense. This man is a slime ball and a liar.
No because that didn't happen until October 5th. He destroyed it September 29 and the letter arrived in the 30th.
@@kristenpino4635 didn't Prosecution tell him the order to preserve the phone was withdrawn so he kept his phone for a while?
It was a good day for CW, Johns children testimony was very damaging to Karen's character.
That's not what i heard. Sounds like Jen has been coaching the kids the last couple of weeks...
No DV in the relationship..the sometimes she yells a little isn't bad for her. We all argue. No hitting or extremes
And how do you know what the minor O’Keefe children testified to when there was a strict court order prohibiting the children’s testimony from being seen by the public? Are court orders held so cheaply?
Reporters were allowed to take notes . Reports of what the teenagers said are available.
@@TRACE317Being told the relationship is over is not a good sign, John telling Karen to move out, to leave the house and her refusal to do so, also not symptomatic of a healthy relationship.
I cannot name or notice one great point the defense does 😂sorry but they are absolutely disgusting
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Are you paying attention? The defence is the only one putting on the case. Lally just bores the entire jury and stream watchers.
Are breaks and delays typically in favor of the defense or prosecution ? Is there any data on this?
2:30 I never believe anything anyone says unless it's in writing. You're a fool if you do. being told by the prosecutor, something, especially this prosecutor, is completely unreliable.
I have heard the FBI is investigating Proctor. Is this concerning just this case ? Will the guilty person if not KR ever be arrested. Surely Karen cant be the "end" of this investigation with all these sketchy findings.
Who is Melissa? Did Melissa say to KR,'hey,BH is crushing on you,and I'll give you his digits.' We only have BH's word on that. Even with how did you...he seems to play naive with KR
Jackson did the cross on Higgins.
Yanetti did the second part today, AJ is out of town
@@djjc4007 Oh! Thank you for the correction!
Your ringing theory is incorrect
All actions by these actors show they are protecting someone they know killed John and is not Karen
Karen struck John with her SUV in a blackout, she admitted not remembering much. All of Canton isn't out to get poor Karen.
Were his injuries consistent with that?
No, i dont think that's what's happened. Due, especially, to the evidence that is exactly what didn't happen.
No evidence pointing to that. Jen gaslighting her from the jump isn't proof.
Agreed, I believe she hit him in a drunk rage probably not intened to kill, went home drank more, when he didn't show up, started making calls and trying to cover while still intoxicated possibly in a black out. Shameful investigation does leave doubt, unfortunately.
One of the kids said yesterday that karen didn't mention any possibility of hitting John until she was on the phone to JEN. Jen put the idea in her head from get go. Jen states Karen was the one who said to go to Fairview. Kerry said it was Jen who instigated that. It's time to open yourself up to the possibility you are also being gaslit into believing a narrative
Higgins holds the key to free KR. He obviously was hurt by KR’s ignoring him. KR and JO were lovey doveys on the night and he probably knew that his chance is gone.
@@SalingerNYC guilty people do odd things and one thing is that butt dials and destroying evidence makes all of them looks worse than guilt. So logic? I’ll follow the track if I were you.
@@SalingerNYC phone interactions. C’mon don’t speak as if you’re confused. 🫤
@@SalingerNYC she said “Did I hit him or could I have hit him “ however, evidence shows, she couldn’t have hit him. BH didn’t see a body when he left. He drives a Jeep which he parked facing the flagpole, 6 ft man in a white layered snow. At this stage, a body would have been still visible and not yet snowed over. Anyway, 22 sec is a lot of time to talk. See my comment below.
@@SalingerNYC The car had snow and still driving away? 😂 anyway, you have your opinion and that’s ok but you have to listen to every word that was presented at court. That’s what convicts or exonerates people. So far, nothing has been presented to convict. I studied criminology so just analysing what was presented at court.
@@SalingerNYC I'm having a hard time believing that someone actually really believes that those were legitimate "butt dials." 3 different witnesses with suspicious butt dials to each other in a span of a couple of hours. Additionally, it was not the phone calls he was destroying with the phone. It was the texts that he selectively chose not to provide to the state. The accusation is not that he is the murderer but that he was disillusioned enough to tamper with evidence to assist his friends and not the lady that closed the door to a possible relationship.