Full length yeah but when he commentates on a few of the clips I think it's good because it adds insight on some stuff that otherwise the viewers might not have known
@@CPskipper21344 I've seen seven or eight of them in different compilations over the last couple of weeks. Could be just a coincidence, but as someone who frequently watches his streams, he doesn't EVER get tilted nowadays.
One is an actual strategy, bodyblocking baby dva can stagger and cause the team to lose lots of time and is even used in stuff suck as OWL, leaving is just showing they can’t handle the possibility to be staggered if demeched
@@GeneratedPerson but its not because its not a part of the actual game, bodyblocking is in the game and the physics engine made it possible to do that, but leaving and joining is abusing their own internet speed to join back. one is fair and intended, the other is abusing how the game runs, against the developers intentions
Skyph2048 lol have you seen all the tricks Hammond can do? They weren’t the developers intentions either and it’s acceptable to hook a wall and rebound off it and triple boop instantkilling someone. I’m sure nano blade wasn’t an intention either to be so powerful. You get punished for leaving by having your ult charge reset and all your stats, as well as your SR. If the player finds that the strategy works and seems good to them, they’ll do it. Also rejoining is based on hardware, my internet is terrible and I load in in 2 seconds, internet speed just loads in character models
He said in the beginning he added a few high-IQ plays to reach the 10-minute mark. I agree he should be more clear which clips are high-IQ and which are abusing mechanics.
staggering isnt toxic tho, its part of the game, and is a big brain play. If it didnt have benefit, then yeah it would be toxic, i agree....but it helps your team delay the next team fight....so its not really toxic lol.
Delaying player regroup is fair enough of a tactic. Stalling baby D'Vas, who neither receive any ult charge for attacking the stallers nor have the slightest chance to counter-play with damage, is bullshit, and I will take no part in that abuse. I'm content to first warn my teammates that I'm refusing to stall with baby D'Va, in case they actually don't get why I think that way, and then discuss afterwards if they want. (Edit:) My teammates deserve to understand why I feel that way.
It’s unfortunate that the only pieces of ‘tech’ in this game are game breaking ones. I wish there was more stuff like the sphere jump and less stuff like the spawn exploits
It's a legitimate strategy. Preventing dva from meching reduces the enemy team's damage output and basically puts them down a player. Sure it's obnoxious, but it's a start. Just like mcree, doom, mei, and sigma's stun mechanics are pretty aids. They're obnoxious, but they are using a game mechanic against you. Leaving and joining back is just generally scummy.
I'll repost this, I suppose. Delaying player regroup is fair enough of a tactic. Stalling baby D'Vas, who neither receive any ult charge for attacking the stallers nor have the slightest chance to counter-play with damage, is bullshit, and I won't take any part in it. I'm content to first warn my teammates that I'm refusing to stall with baby D'Va, in case they actually don't get why I think that way, and then discuss afterwards if they want.
@@Brandon-1996 I’m not saying you’re wrong, but not staggering can lose games. In competitive most teams regroup before going again and making someone stall for more than just their respawn is better than just killing
at 5:44 ish, ball wasn't doing 180s to reset his boops. He was using a script to emulate an xbox controller being held at a precise joystick angle to hold his speed on the exact line of fireball, then spam tapping s to lower the speed and reset it quickly. With fast spamming enough spamming you could effectively one shot every hero in the game
yooooooo man your voice is fine and everyone enjoys it much more than the robot!! your voice is actually really nice and i hope that some comments dont actually effect what you enjoy making, keep up this really good content aswell
@@Sus-di3jt i think triple and over boops are patched. I haven't seen one in a while, and it's pretty easy to do. There was also an exploit where you could do like 40 boops in half a second, it was pretty easy to do too. That was luckily patch in the next few days.
ml7 acting confused when some points out that he is an abuser for some reason pisses me off. Like if you are so blatantly abusing the game dont turn around and play the victim card.
It's not toxic. It's obnoxious for the dva, but staggering her reduces a team's overall dps and basically puts them down a player. It's the dvas fault. She could have shot at them and either fed ult or gotten mech back.
im slighty sus that some of these clips were people actually rage quitting and then quickly joining again to not get penalized, but didn't actually try to do the faster respawn thingy to start with xd
@@AydinTiras shit like that always gets patched, might as well use it while it's up. And it only works on the last points of defence, you can't use it the whole game
@@ss-nu3qf Why should the devs patch this? Or any "bugs", for that matter? It's obvious that "unfair" is worth something, but how thin are you willing to stretch that line? Is hacking immoral if you can get away with it? What about that typing into chat to lag the server? It can be funny to watch under some circumstances, sure. Next level down might be the teleporting tire glitch.
personally i dont think double booping is abusing its in their mechanics like mercy super jump unlike actually fast resetting their abilities or respawn
they should just have it so if you switch off a champ the cooldown remains so switching back just puts you back on a 12-second cooldown or whatever its supposed to be. Its a better way of dealing with it. A lot of these bugs should be bannable though because it is bug abuse
By going in the Hero select screen, they would see the entrance of the other team's spawn as you see in the end of the clip the enemy team rolling out.
I don't want to sound like the bad guy, but the guy who started to write while ulting with D.va should be reported, you are making every other player lagging, that's really bad...
The guy's whole team worked together to do it. I think it can be funny under certain conditions, (Idk what kind of Custom Game this was,) but if they're chancing irritating everyone, yeah, report them in case they try it again.
I guess this is my inner glitch abuser showing but what's wrong with abusing game mechanics it's not really that bad but I guess I come from games like Fallout or Elder Scrolls were abusing game mechanics is a playstyle more than anything. However, I think as long as it's nothing external aka outside the game like wall hacks or aim bot it's not cheating.
@@patrikkralik3610 Understandable, have a nice day! And also okay I understand not using them in tournaments or comp. And it's been a month since this comment and I don't know what I was thinking of comparing this to single-player games. When I should compare it to the old days of Tf2 where everyone and their mother used in-game exploits to win or troll people on a daily basis.
D.va leaving and rejoining to stop staggers is actually good. Staggering d.va is really annoying and ruins a person's fun, so I don't really see an issue with it. It isn't like a glitch.
It's unfair under other circumstances, but I have no issue with baby D'Vas doing it. I'd like it if there was some way for D'Va to helicopter back to respawn just for that issue, but I can't imagine a way that wouldn't cause several issues in its place.
dont actually do the leaving thing, you lose sr. pretty sure the text spam thing is patched out. As for the low settings thing, render scale doesnt affect it so use that to make the game pretty instead.pretty sure hero swap and spawn spying(busan) is out too.and ball double boop
can someone explain why swapping heroes to reset cooldowns is “cringe” or “exploiting”? to me, it seems like a skillful display of game knowledge and fast reactions.
if youre talking about the dva clip, apparently if you spam in chat as a team the game gets laggy, making it harder to escape and react to the dva bomb
@@heliolux6904 It's pretty scummy actually. You're using unintended bugs to gain an unfair advantage. There s a difference between a bug and a tech. That ball move was a tech. Here is an example from a different game. In rainbow six siege, there was an event that was meant for people to have fun in a more casual environment. There was a bug that would turn you completely invisible and invincible. People made the game unplayable and the devs had to remove the mode and extend how long the event lasted. Seems pretty scummy, right?
@@voidfatal6605 Only sometimes. Most tech in games are bugs. Street fighter combos came from a buffer system bug, but that has come to define a large part of fighting games. A lot of times, if they don’t completely break a game, ‘bugs’ can add more options and skill to a game. Sometimes they can ruin a game, but that’s not the case of any of these clips really. I don’t think there have ever been major enough bugs in OW comp that I would call ‘scummy’ other than maybe out of bounds sym turrets sometimes. But most competitive games involve players doing things the developers never intended or thought of.
Then, what's the difference between hacking and cheating? Is cheating the umbrella that covers hacking and scripting? (I forgot the difference between those two anyway.)
@@joellandaverde8011 the fact that you had to edit your simple sentence and you can't understand mine must mean your missing some sort of basic education.
When you press H in spawn to swap heroes, you can see other parts of the map. On busan, the part of the map you can see is the other teams spawn, so they could see what the other team was running from their own spawn
So when "Pros" do it, its ok, but when others do it, its reportable.... Guy in the chat complaining about the D.Va lag in chat was right... Such idiots, beaing good means taht you dont need to do that
6:44
*guy spamming 358 immortality fields*
person in chat: abuser..
guy: *?*
Lmao
@@genesisosuna
ITS YOU AGAIN
@@kp5602 what do you mean "me again"?
@@genesisosuna
I see you everywhere
I saw you on another video about pre-season rankings for ow teams
@@kp5602 really?
5:56 he couldn't post the clip with sound cuz of copyright, so he recorded the shooting sounds
What a genius
Bro I didn’t even notice that-
Your voice was fine, but the full length commentary is the problem I believe for most ppl, even though the intention is good :D
Yeah some of the clips on other videos have commentary that's not totally necessary
Full length yeah but when he commentates on a few of the clips I think it's good because it adds insight on some stuff that otherwise the viewers might not have known
Completely agree, he has a nice accent to listen to.
*Abuses a bug*
Person in chat: wow abuser
Abuser acts surprised for some reason
It’s so stupid lmaao.
I think its really hard to get everyone happy, so do it the way you're more confortable with ( I personally prefer your own voice)
It's really off-putting hearing Sleepy back before he became so chill. He used to be so angy, and now he's so nice.
its just one clip of him being tilted
@@CPskipper21344 I've seen seven or eight of them in different compilations over the last couple of weeks. Could be just a coincidence, but as someone who frequently watches his streams, he doesn't EVER get tilted nowadays.
@@Pherna_1 oh well. thats what overwatch does to a man. lol
I think indifferent is more like it
Bring back the facecam
The audacity, stall D.va into oblivion and then call it toxic when she logs out, lol
One is an actual strategy, bodyblocking baby dva can stagger and cause the team to lose lots of time and is even used in stuff suck as OWL, leaving is just showing they can’t handle the possibility to be staggered if demeched
@@user-sd3oo8ub9j All's fair in love and war
Sam Smith but with that logic, leaving and rejoining is *also* a strategy as it gets you back in the fight
@@GeneratedPerson but its not because its not a part of the actual game, bodyblocking is in the game and the physics engine made it possible to do that, but leaving and joining is abusing their own internet speed to join back. one is fair and intended, the other is abusing how the game runs, against the developers intentions
Skyph2048 lol have you seen all the tricks Hammond can do? They weren’t the developers intentions either and it’s acceptable to hook a wall and rebound off it and triple boop instantkilling someone. I’m sure nano blade wasn’t an intention either to be so powerful. You get punished for leaving by having your ult charge reset and all your stats, as well as your SR. If the player finds that the strategy works and seems good to them, they’ll do it.
Also rejoining is based on hardware, my internet is terrible and I load in in 2 seconds, internet speed just loads in character models
the tele-tire i dont think is "abusing", i mean, the TELEPORTER...TELEPORTED an object, like how symmetra's turrets can be tele'd
He said in the beginning he added a few high-IQ plays to reach the 10-minute mark. I agree he should be more clear which clips are high-IQ and which are abusing mechanics.
@@kenmenpiano And the Sigma tech on Hanamura is also not abusing I'd say.
player: /is being toxic/
person: leaves game
player: that’s toxic
staggering isnt toxic tho, its part of the game, and is a big brain play. If it didnt have benefit, then yeah it would be toxic, i agree....but it helps your team delay the next team fight....so its not really toxic lol.
@@Llopside yeah it is
@@Llopside it totally is, leaving and rejoining is abusing a game mechanic when staggering is an actual strategy that every ow player should know.
Delaying player regroup is a tactic
Delaying player regroup is fair enough of a tactic. Stalling baby D'Vas, who neither receive any ult charge for attacking the stallers nor have the slightest chance to counter-play with damage, is bullshit, and I will take no part in that abuse.
I'm content to first warn my teammates that I'm refusing to stall with baby D'Va, in case they actually don't get why I think that way, and then discuss afterwards if they want. (Edit:) My teammates deserve to understand why I feel that way.
2:13 wait what happened here? Did they lag the game with spamming?
I think so
lagged the server with spam, its fuckin scummy
iHarrySB Someones angry
BOB JOE
Well it is a scummy thing to do tbh
Rita uhhhhh?? Look at the top, it’s comp/tournament. Still a scummy thing to do In a competitive game
Abuser: *abuses game
Also Abuser: "?"
9:17 This makes me proud of being a Gladiators fan
How is that abusing?
@@artlu9039 high iq play
sleepy with facecam is rare
It’s unfortunate that the only pieces of ‘tech’ in this game are game breaking ones. I wish there was more stuff like the sphere jump and less stuff like the spawn exploits
Damn I miss dafran :(
Birdring and Choi’s use of tech is amazing ngl.
8:14 " that's toxic" and they literally are bullying baby dva hahaha
It's a legitimate strategy. Preventing dva from meching reduces the enemy team's damage output and basically puts them down a player. Sure it's obnoxious, but it's a start. Just like mcree, doom, mei, and sigma's stun mechanics are pretty aids. They're obnoxious, but they are using a game mechanic against you. Leaving and joining back is just generally scummy.
@@voidfatal6605 The fact that people still don't know about staggering in 2020, Is shocking.
I'll repost this, I suppose. Delaying player regroup is fair enough of a tactic. Stalling baby D'Vas, who neither receive any ult charge for attacking the stallers nor have the slightest chance to counter-play with damage, is bullshit, and I won't take any part in it.
I'm content to first warn my teammates that I'm refusing to stall with baby D'Va, in case they actually don't get why I think that way, and then discuss afterwards if they want.
@@Brandon-1996 I’m not saying you’re wrong, but not staggering can lose games. In competitive most teams regroup before going again and making someone stall for more than just their respawn is better than just killing
Dude Dafran said “abusing mechanics! Abusing mechanics!”
2:13 Man that's f'd up.
What happened
@@Astro-dm3cq they spammed in order to lag the server so that the other team couldnt reac
at 5:44 ish, ball wasn't doing 180s to reset his boops. He was using a script to emulate an xbox controller being held at a precise joystick angle to hold his speed on the exact line of fireball, then spam tapping s to lower the speed and reset it quickly. With fast spamming enough spamming you could effectively one shot every hero in the game
yooooooo man your voice is fine and everyone enjoys it much more than the robot!! your voice is actually really nice and i hope that some comments dont actually effect what you enjoy making, keep up this really good content aswell
Just wanted to let u know ur voice sounds fine and quite relaxing.Keep up the good content
Ball double boop is hard to do, I have respect for that
at 5:28 ball was scripting and posting it so it would get attention and then be patched out
4:25 is not abusive. It's a legit tactic as hammond
Is it removed? Because I remember them saying that double bop isn’t a exploit but triple and over is
@@Sus-di3jt i think triple and over boops are patched. I haven't seen one in a while, and it's pretty easy to do. There was also an exploit where you could do like 40 boops in half a second, it was pretty easy to do too. That was luckily patch in the next few days.
ml7 acting confused when some points out that he is an abuser for some reason pisses me off. Like if you are so blatantly abusing the game dont turn around and play the victim card.
the only reason to put ? in chat is to piss someone off lol
@@lodi1235 I'm sorry I don't understand what your trying to say
@@kactus8325 He put a ''?'' in chat only to make the enemy angry
@@lodi1235 enemy angry. This isn't some sort of war it's a game of overwatch
@@kactus8325 ?
AFAIK the sleep thing has been patched, when you swap characters the enemy wakes up i didn't know about rez though that's cool to know
Bro Choi at the start just changed my brain
A simple fix for the ability spawn abuse is to keep cooldowns over change
Lol staggering as dva is the most disrespectful thing you can do. Player leaves and joins back, wow that's toxic.
It's not toxic. It's obnoxious for the dva, but staggering her reduces a team's overall dps and basically puts them down a player. It's the dvas fault. She could have shot at them and either fed ult or gotten mech back.
Dafran talking about abusing bugs when he left and rejoined to spawn faster
Hypocritical
i dont understand what happens at 2:30
The D.va spams the chat which causes the enemy team’s game to lag which makes it harder to avoid the bomb
6:41 famous support btw
2:04 I laughed so fucking hard
im slighty sus that some of these clips were people actually rage quitting and then quickly joining again to not get penalized, but didn't actually try to do the faster respawn thingy to start with xd
What happened at 6:57 ?
Mate, I like your commentary, and your voice. No problems with me. Keep up your high quality content
Aye Ja Wid back at it again with the fire upload
My view point on this: If it’s possible by original game design, I have no problem about it
Your real voice is so much better
I mean Majority of doomfist being useful is abusing map bugs lmao
the ball double triple bob needs to be patched asap
how do people switch heroes so fast, it takes 5 seconds of black screen to my pc to change hero ahah
How was choihyobin doing the sigma jump on hanamura ABUSING game mechanics?
Watch 0:12
4:10 my man is salty over the bap using his 200 iq smh
@@AydinTiras shit like that always gets patched, might as well use it while it's up. And it only works on the last points of defence, you can't use it the whole game
@@ss-nu3qf
Why should the devs patch this? Or any "bugs", for that matter? It's obvious that "unfair" is worth something, but how thin are you willing to stretch that line? Is hacking immoral if you can get away with it? What about that typing into chat to lag the server? It can be funny to watch under some circumstances, sure. Next level down might be the teleporting tire glitch.
Loved your voice
personally i dont think double booping is abusing its in their mechanics like mercy super jump unlike actually fast resetting their abilities or respawn
I think they should make super jump cannon, like add it in with a two-button combination or something, or at least make it much easier to do.
I dont understand the buh at jjonak 7.14
Lmao the first bap immortality field clip on hanamura, the person doing it is actually Hoshizora and that's their alt! :D it's cool to see them
they should just have it so if you switch off a champ the cooldown remains so switching back just puts you back on a 12-second cooldown or whatever its supposed to be. Its a better way of dealing with it. A lot of these bugs should be bannable though because it is bug abuse
2:43 can somebody explain what happened there
By going in the Hero select screen, they would see the entrance of the other team's spawn as you see in the end of the clip the enemy team rolling out.
can anyone tell me which bugs are fixed
5:40 except he didn’t do that manually. I’m pretty sure he scripted it on a controller or something like that
How was the Glads plays abusing anything?
5:40 that guy is in gold/sliver
If you die leave the game then join back, faster respawn
Thanks for repeating the video
hamster double boop is removed :c
We need another one :D
I actually prefer ur voice it's easier for me to recognize u
The audacity to swap to reset cooldown 4 times then type a fucking question mark in chat when someone says abuser. Hate these kinds of people
I use the double mercy res all the time! Lmfaooo
I don't want to sound like the bad guy, but the guy who started to write while ulting with D.va should be reported, you are making every other player lagging, that's really bad...
Nah you absolutely right
At least it was in a custom game
The guy's whole team worked together to do it. I think it can be funny under certain conditions, (Idk what kind of Custom Game this was,) but if they're chancing irritating everyone, yeah, report them in case they try it again.
Is abusing bannable?
Not unless you get reported a lot
I guess this is my inner glitch abuser showing but what's wrong with abusing game mechanics it's not really that bad but I guess I come from games like Fallout or Elder Scrolls were abusing game mechanics is a playstyle more than anything. However, I think as long as it's nothing external aka outside the game like wall hacks or aim bot it's not cheating.
Shut up... Its a form of cheating, and it should be allowed.... Fallout or Elder Scrolls arent competetive FPS games.... You are a child
@@patrikkralik3610 Understandable, have a nice day! And also okay I understand not using them in tournaments or comp. And it's been a month since this comment and I don't know what I was thinking of comparing this to single-player games. When I should compare it to the old days of Tf2 where everyone and their mother used in-game exploits to win or troll people on a daily basis.
D.va leaving and rejoining to stop staggers is actually good. Staggering d.va is really annoying and ruins a person's fun, so I don't really see an issue with it. It isn't like a glitch.
It's unfair under other circumstances, but I have no issue with baby D'Vas doing it.
I'd like it if there was some way for D'Va to helicopter back to respawn just for that issue, but I can't imagine a way that wouldn't cause several issues in its place.
Ball just really good it’s really hard
I love your voice :(
dont actually do the leaving thing, you lose sr. pretty sure the text spam thing is patched out. As for the low settings thing, render scale doesnt affect it so use that to make the game pretty instead.pretty sure hero swap and spawn spying(busan) is out too.and ball double boop
So If someone dcs Mid game and comes Back in a minute they lose sr Even If they win The game?
Idk but i use subtitles in-game to know what characters the attackers are runinng is that big brain or cheating ?
How is that cheating? No, dude
can someone explain why swapping heroes to reset cooldowns is “cringe” or “exploiting”? to me, it seems like a skillful display of game knowledge and fast reactions.
Studio Verrou did you see that bap how is that skillful
@@Astro-dm3cq Clicking fast on the buttons id say
says it's toxic, plays Mei. :DDDD bruh
not brian weirdchamp
“Abusing” lol
Lol a lot of these top streamers have double standards
Can someone explain 2:10?
he left the game so jay3 and the ana wouldn't kill him
if youre talking about the dva clip, apparently if you spam in chat as a team the game gets laggy, making it harder to escape and react to the dva bomb
He also left to respawn instantly
Is the Dva bomb chat spam trick still present in the game?
abusing bugs is scummy af but its not cheating, he's using features the game has
Exactly, not cheating at all
It’s not really scummy either
@@heliolux6904 It's pretty scummy actually. You're using unintended bugs to gain an unfair advantage. There s a difference between a bug and a tech. That ball move was a tech. Here is an example from a different game. In rainbow six siege, there was an event that was meant for people to have fun in a more casual environment. There was a bug that would turn you completely invisible and invincible. People made the game unplayable and the devs had to remove the mode and extend how long the event lasted. Seems pretty scummy, right?
@@voidfatal6605 Only sometimes. Most tech in games are bugs. Street fighter combos came from a buffer system bug, but that has come to define a large part of fighting games. A lot of times, if they don’t completely break a game, ‘bugs’ can add more options and skill to a game. Sometimes they can ruin a game, but that’s not the case of any of these clips really. I don’t think there have ever been major enough bugs in OW comp that I would call ‘scummy’ other than maybe out of bounds sym turrets sometimes. But most competitive games involve players doing things the developers never intended or thought of.
Then, what's the difference between hacking and cheating? Is cheating the umbrella that covers hacking and scripting? (I forgot the difference between those two anyway.)
Rip double boop :(
The respawn abuse is not ok and I'm disappointed that ml7 did that
I don’t get how it’s so bad
@@lagavr4693 how do you see infinite immortality fields and see that as not bad. They need to put a cool down on switching characters to combat this
The tp tire is not exactly abusing but ok
Real voice better it’s chill and feels human love your videos mate
I don’t think leaving and rejoining is cheating. It’s nasty, but fair. Also having a faster respawn rarely works
It Works in overtime very Well under certain circumstances, your respawn can last 18 seconds.
If you call ball tech abusing game mechanics just put one of balls streams on with the cue times cut
Old sleepy 🤔
I much prefer your voice, I love your videos.
8:34 when did sleepy become homosexual?
Like as in he isn't here
When did you become a crack addict?
This makes no sense
@@joellandaverde8011 the fact that you had to edit your simple sentence and you can't understand mine must mean your missing some sort of basic education.
2:51 I'm confused what's happening?
When you press H in spawn to swap heroes, you can see other parts of the map. On busan, the part of the map you can see is the other teams spawn, so they could see what the other team was running from their own spawn
???????? Who ever said that about his voice can't hear
I love the voice btw. Wanted to say it publicly as to not risk you feeling bad.
So when "Pros" do it, its ok, but when others do it, its reportable.... Guy in the chat complaining about the D.Va lag in chat was right... Such idiots, beaing good means taht you dont need to do that
I miss hearing your voice :(
also 69th like
Your voice is fine dude
Play lame, win game
so much shit wrong with this game
It's an 8 minute mark nowadays btw, though I'm not really complaining :)
damn bro, i love your voice, and i think that the tts is very annoying
What do u mean low settings
"graphics quality" settings.
lol @ people for being upset about dvas leaving to avoid a stagger as if staggering a baby dva isnt an abuse of game mechanics on its own
so many cringe pro players lol
Ml7Support is so cringe and this dude in in Envyus team 6:44 min
4:07 holy cope