Critiquing 3 Photographer's Printed Books

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  • @elbertasachelaru9845
    @elbertasachelaru9845 6 років тому +5

    I’m one of the viewers who actually like you, Lee. Ignore the haters. Loved this episode a lot, it’s probably the best I’ve seen so far!
    Mike is amazing and his presence is much appreciated. Please do more videos with Mike, we want to see him more often :)

  • @bbaum17
    @bbaum17 6 років тому +81

    Is it just me, or does Mike Kelly look like Patrick sprinkled with extra strength Miracle Grow?

    • @dougburgan1
      @dougburgan1 6 років тому

      Brian B. Got him!

    • @FStoppers
      @FStoppers  6 років тому +7

      lol

    • @phaskellhall
      @phaskellhall 6 років тому +27

      As Patrick, I take offense to this!

    • @bbaum17
      @bbaum17 6 років тому +6

      @Patrick Hall Just know that you are one of my Top 4 favorite Photographers on UA-cam and you've helped my abilities tremendously. It's all in love!

    • @jc6618
      @jc6618 6 років тому

      😂😂

  • @shanek7053
    @shanek7053 6 років тому +9

    This is definetly one of the best ads I've watched in a while.

  • @Rookz
    @Rookz 6 років тому +22

    I would buy Mike Kelley’s book just because the photos are absolutely gorgeous!

  • @poolboyinla
    @poolboyinla 6 років тому +19

    Critique the community is my favorite show on all of UA-cam.

    • @Stealther
      @Stealther 6 років тому +1

      And to balance it out, its my least favorite.

  • @sambochen2010
    @sambochen2010 6 років тому +7

    Great episode guys. Love the post mortem discussion about seeing thru the eyes of the client. Keep it up! 👍

  • @natfingerboard
    @natfingerboard 6 років тому +2

    This was really good and all those photographers are amazing, that senior portrait guy is definitely going a few extra miles to make his clients feel like super models. I love it. having said that all of them definitely fit their purpose.

  • @PierreBurnaugh
    @PierreBurnaugh 6 років тому +3

    The presentation box is a nice touch in both the commercial and the consumer books. Although, for an art buyer, art director or editor it would primarily serve as extra protection (some may not even want to take a second to remove it and just toss it on the pile), whereas a consumer would really appreciate it as part of the package. Also of note, the consumer ones are considered “albums”. Hence, no cover page and thicker stock that definitely work well as portfolios also (ones that display multiple clients, even more so). Consumer albums are probably never mailed to clients for review, but remain in the studio or are presented by the photographer in person.

  • @DavidLok
    @DavidLok 6 років тому +2

    Great video, thanks for the inspiration. Some points about Saal:
    - The free software Saal offers to create an album is great for people who do not want to spend money on album design software. That said, software like Fundy is even better.
    - 4:23 if you choose the linnen or leather cover, you will not be able to put your logo on the cover at all. You can't even choose a custom font. Compared to other suppliers I think the options for covers are really basic.
    - If you want the first/last page to be white, you pay for printed pages. Would be nice to have an options where you can add these extra pages at lower costs.
    - The Saal album has an ugly little barcode at the back, if you want to have it removed you pay €5,- (in the Netherlands) extra, feels a bit frustrating.
    - In the Netherlands, you can't message or call them. All communication is by e-mail tickets, I really like more direct and personal contact.
    That said, I ordered 10+ albums at Saal. The brides where happy. The discount they offer for resellers is nice, the 50%-off demo product is great. I definitely keep Saal as one of my suppliers.
    23:00 These Saal albums are more like between 100 and 250 depending on size/cover/box/pages.

  • @timrpbrown
    @timrpbrown 6 років тому +2

    I'm so glad I'm not a pro and so I get to take photos that I like (rather than ones that pay the bills). No that anyone would pay for my efforts anyway, but that's beside the point. Really helpful video. I've previously used Saal Digital to print a book for myself and I have to say the quality was just fantastic. I'm saving up to make a book 2....

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому

      Thanks for the kind words. We hope to live up to our previous performance and look forward to making any books that you may need, whether pro or not! ;)

  • @Tacticaldegree
    @Tacticaldegree 6 років тому +20

    Holy these pictures are insanely good

  • @keen99
    @keen99 5 років тому

    23:17 this is such a hugely important point that many photographers don't realize and i often need to remind of myself of that as well. Thanks Lee for bringing that up.

  • @sampacker6547
    @sampacker6547 6 років тому +19

    you obviously know where to point the camera

  • @romiemiller3093
    @romiemiller3093 3 роки тому

    The portrait book gave me a lot of good ideas. I'd already settled on a square format because both horizontal and vertical photos can be included without turning the book to view them.

  • @a.j.scalzitti1929
    @a.j.scalzitti1929 6 років тому +10

    iPad feels like someone just tossed some images on their tablet, a printed book tells me you put effort into putting your best in front of me. Second point, bring those books to a portfolio review - it's harsh but valuable

    • @abdurrahmanmoustapha
      @abdurrahmanmoustapha 6 років тому +2

      A.J. Scalzitti you are right, I use an iPad for presenting my work, and sometimes I use an Apple TV with clients that have huge screens in their meeting room to mirror my iPad, but a book is something different ! something from another world, it makes the client takes his time examining the images, jumping from page to another happily ! and you look more professional with a printed book !
      clients always, always, browse the iPad very fast ! you know what ? I'm going to print my work on a book again ! I will toss my iPad away !

  • @cinepravda
    @cinepravda 5 років тому +1

    Thats so true, its good to print our shots, you will see them "real" not just like something digital.

  • @Hassi1972
    @Hassi1972 6 років тому

    Thank you guys! Your thoughts and comments were really helpful.

  • @367Play
    @367Play 6 років тому +1

    Nice introduction and review of the actual product by Saal Digital,,,and even more great was the discussion about considerations to keep in mind when making a book depending on its end-purpose. As others suggested, would enjoy a refresher on the actual final steps in post-processing to address brightness adjustments needed for screen vs paper. Thanks Guys!

  • @MichelleCoxPhotography
    @MichelleCoxPhotography 6 років тому

    Love that you are comparing these portfolios.

  • @jgvbadv
    @jgvbadv 6 років тому +5

    13:20 Those pictures make me feel uneasy.. I wouldn't place them like that (first two)

  • @thomasbowan7864
    @thomasbowan7864 6 років тому

    Awesome video guy's!!!
    Everything you showed and discussed was spot on... I thank you.

  • @pMycoMar
    @pMycoMar 6 років тому +1

    I think you missed one of the most important part of portfolio books, how to prepare the Fotos that go in them. If you just drag Fotos in you will be very disappointed because they will look very dark because they are not backlit anymore. But it's true you find your groove after a couple of books.

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому +2

      That's a good point. It would great to see how ICC Profiles for soft proofing could be integrated into the process of the design...if you are looking for some for your portfolio book, we have ours in our professional zone: www.saal-digital.com/en-us/service/icc-profile/

  • @timmholl9238
    @timmholl9238 5 років тому +2

    28 Amateur photographers were jealous that either A. they didn't think of getting their own portfolio, or B. they don't want to spend that kind of money.

  • @dcallan812
    @dcallan812 6 років тому +1

    you should review photographers calendars

  • @FilipKrygsman
    @FilipKrygsman 6 років тому

    Thanks guys, great video, but I really missed a landscape in this mix.

  • @fredvig6740
    @fredvig6740 5 років тому

    Thanks for this video !
    When you send images for printing you have to send RGB or sRGB.
    Problem is when you have black and white pictures, if they are printed like book are usualy (offset) you can find big variations on the same pictures : parts of your pictures are cyan, parts are magenta.
    The reason is that they don't print black as they sould do : only in black ()... RGB is transformed in CMYK and grey is distributed on the different colors layers, but not in a homogeneous way.
    It should be only on the black (K) layer. It makes a weft effect, and it's impossible to use a book like this (as professionnal).
    It's important to check the way they print.
    Can we know wher the 3 book you show have been printed ?

  • @kenstav1
    @kenstav1 6 років тому +1

    Mike Kelly always rules

  • @churrovalentino3768
    @churrovalentino3768 5 років тому +2

    I thought that back cover said “shrek” 14:16

  • @Defiance151
    @Defiance151 6 років тому

    Love it!! Thank you so much for doing this video!

  • @LucaIacono
    @LucaIacono 6 років тому +1

    Excellent content. thank you!

  • @Sisco296
    @Sisco296 6 років тому

    Okay so I'm a new photographer and cinematographer! I want to be great like you! My question is: If I get the opportunity to shoot a wedding: How do I get myself into position to get that great shot? Do I take a bunch of photos and look at them when I get back to the office? Or should I have a natural eye for photography built in!???!

  • @JorgeRamirezPortela
    @JorgeRamirezPortela 5 років тому

    just adding my 2 cents here... the links to saal-digital are broken. you have to type the home address to access.

  • @bennyblanco1280
    @bennyblanco1280 5 років тому +1

    i like Zno but this company looks like it has good products as well

  • @PswACC
    @PswACC 6 років тому +1

    it is so impractical to mail the book out and expect your prospective client to make time to send it back. No Branding on Cover also sounds like a bad idea. Nice Pictures though. I like the Design of the Senior Portrait Album. He really expressed creativity.

    • @mikekelley
      @mikekelley 6 років тому +1

      you make sure they are okay with it first. it's pretty common. just make sure you include a return label and it takes 30 seconds to schedule a pickup

  • @constantinslotty5309
    @constantinslotty5309 5 років тому

    Great review, guys!

  • @ig33ku
    @ig33ku 6 років тому

    15:27 - Mike is love. LOL

  • @crollinsphoto
    @crollinsphoto 6 років тому

    Loved it. Lee, you did wedding photography for 12 years! That is great, I love it but have to quit due to health concerns, why did you quit after only 12 years? You probably was making a killing $, right? Love your work and this video.

    • @nmm190
      @nmm190 5 років тому

      12 years of weddings? Kudos, as I cant imagine dealing with all that drama, emotions, bitchy brides and criticism if the pix arent perfect

  • @rknapolean8101
    @rknapolean8101 6 років тому

    I agree with you Lee

  • @henryhjiang
    @henryhjiang 5 років тому

    “When you open up a 17 inch wide book, it’s almost 30 inches across”......right

  • @romiemiller3093
    @romiemiller3093 3 роки тому

    your link to saal.com doesn't work: "Page not found".

  • @unknownknowledge132
    @unknownknowledge132 6 років тому

    I would love you to Critique Sails Chong photos.

  • @rpvnwnkl
    @rpvnwnkl 6 років тому +1

    How do you ensure colour accuracy when you print these books (or anything) using a 3rd party printing service? I'm familiar with screen/printer calibration at home, but how does this work with printing shops?

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому +2

      That's an excellent question! Since you have a calibrated monitor, the best way to ensure that your images are perfectly matched (colorwise), we offer ICC Profiles. ICC Profiles are "a set of data that characterizes a color input or output device, or a color space, according to standards promulgated by the International Color Consortium (ICC)". Ref: Wikipedia. At Saal Digital, we offer ICC Profiles for every product and finish that is available to create your products with. Here is a link for you to check them out: www.saal-digital.com/en-us/service/icc-profile/ Enjoy!

  • @AndyMc1952
    @AndyMc1952 5 років тому

    If you know anything about architects and their creations then you should know they need to know the photography is all about them. Mike is right to leave himself out of the presentation.

  • @andyyoon7853
    @andyyoon7853 6 років тому

    wow Mike is moire king today haha

  • @JonahLorsung
    @JonahLorsung 6 років тому +2

    bless you. @ 22:59

    • @JonahLorsung
      @JonahLorsung 6 років тому

      ps would be rad to send in a zine for review. Future episode?

  • @ScottWebb27
    @ScottWebb27 6 років тому

    Curious if Mike sends to send the book for clients to look at and send back. Or is Mike doing this to land potential clients as clients?

    • @FStoppers
      @FStoppers  6 років тому

      Not sure I understand the question but generally Mike is sending his book to potential clients and then they send it back to him.

    • @ScottWebb27
      @ScottWebb27 6 років тому

      No worries. That is what I figured and what was mentioned later in the video. I asked because Mike kept saying that he sends it to his clients and not to potential clients. All good :)

  • @janreed99
    @janreed99 6 років тому

    Good video, interesting content.

  • @magrittedeau
    @magrittedeau 5 років тому

    Andres Iniesta in the house

  • @rawaliqbal5144
    @rawaliqbal5144 2 роки тому

    Album size

  • @steeccles3626
    @steeccles3626 6 років тому

    Is this a critique or an infomercial? I'm confused.

  • @becomingintermediate5390
    @becomingintermediate5390 6 років тому

    Mike is looking handsome af in this vid

  • @YumiFaeldo
    @YumiFaeldo 6 років тому

    Why did you cut that sneeze out?

  • @ScottWebb27
    @ScottWebb27 6 років тому

    Couldnt find if Saal Digital ships to Canada :(

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому +2

      Hey Scott. We haven't made it to Canada, yet. Hopefully, we will get there soon!

    • @ScottWebb27
      @ScottWebb27 6 років тому

      We are patiently waiting then! :)

  • @harrisonbarden6876
    @harrisonbarden6876 6 років тому +1

    Hey guys, at what point in your career would you start to invest in a nice printed portfolio like one of these? I am 21 and still very young in the sports/photojournalism industry, currently a student, but getting a good amount of work. I feel I have a solid portfolio built but at the same time I expect to keep adding to it, what would you guys, or any viewers reading this, suggest for someone like myself? Thanks!

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому

      Hey, Harrison. It's never too early nor too late to start investing in this. What might be good for you is to start off with something more 'simple' like a regular photobook with the minimum amount of pages. This could help you get an idea for how the images look in print. Once you have basis, you can expand on that. One thing that a lot of our photographers do (and as they mentioned in the video) is have others look at their book. Live feedback from a neutral party is usually the best. There are some pretty useful links in the description of this video that may help you get something started. ;)

  • @somedude4575
    @somedude4575 3 роки тому

    am I the only one who hates the photo going through the middle fold of the book?

  • @Pompnumber
    @Pompnumber 6 років тому

    I don't mind these guys Critiquing work, but what about their body of work..? It would be good to see their Printed Books because it's easy to point fingers, but are you any better..? Thoughts...

    • @sa-ew8wo
      @sa-ew8wo 5 років тому +2

      Are you serious? The first book is literally them critiquing Mike's book. Did you watch the video?

  • @GertSterner
    @GertSterner 6 років тому

    What size are the book's?

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому

      The books are of different sizes. We currently offer 7 different sizes from 7.5 x 7.5 up to 16.5 x 11

    • @GertSterner
      @GertSterner 6 років тому +1

      I would like to know the sizes of the three books in this review?

    • @SaalDigitalCorporation
      @SaalDigitalCorporation 6 років тому

      Sure. One is the 16.5 x 11 Photobook and the other two are 11 x 11 Photobooks.

    • @GertSterner
      @GertSterner 6 років тому +1

      Thanks!

  • @dollimelaine
    @dollimelaine 3 роки тому

    I thought the wedding fotos were awful. No magic at all. I like to feel some magic when I see a foto. Same with the Senior foto's...clever is fine but I would never hire these high cash guys for their services.

  • @dimaermolenko98
    @dimaermolenko98 4 роки тому

    nobody has real photographs these days...only analog photographers do.

  • @kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631
    @kikeheebchinkjigaboo6631 3 роки тому

    Lame photos. Forget expensive print jobs and make your own photo book

  • @4CardsMan
    @4CardsMan 6 років тому

    Photos should not go across the gutter.

  • @Stealther
    @Stealther 6 років тому

    Disappointed with your content lately, hope you change things up and find your stride again.

    • @poolboyinla
      @poolboyinla 6 років тому +2

      I am loving their new content.

    • @FStoppers
      @FStoppers  6 років тому +1

      "I wish Fstoppers would go back to the good old days in 2012, back when their content was better, shot at 720p, and released once a month!" -P

    • @Stealther
      @Stealther 6 років тому

      @@FStoppers My point is that you're currently running a high percentage of critique and psudo-review content which I personally find a lot less interesting/useful than your more technique/informative based videos which you do a lot better. Take it as constructive criticism, you dish it out on your videos but can you take it as well? Cheers!