Dapol took the Level, gave it a training montage and raised it up to a brand new heights. I've got mine in Maunsell Green and my god it is amazing. If you are a keen collector, this model is a must have.
These locos held up the entire SECR Network along with the L1 Class for the majority of the Steam Era. I'm hoping Dapol decides to model the other two SECR 4-4-0s in the future as well. Got one in BR Black and SR Green but both work fantastically! Pulls roughly 9 coaches with magnets enabled. Very accurate to the prototype!
@@vectorbrony3473 Very Interesting Choice. I could see Bachmann taking on a B4 since they currently hold the market on LBSCR RTR Locos. I'd prefer the B4X Version myself since it made it to BR and most of my models are BR Era outside of my SECR Stuff. I heard a rumor Bachmann might be doing a LBSCR K Class in the future but I don't know whether it's true or not. Wouldn't surprise me though.
I remember seeing the last D1s and similar E1s in the late 50s (I think the final ones went in 1961). They look good in Southern green, though the lined BR black suited them when clean!
Credit to Dapol and Rails for bringing the D1 to Ready to run. It's wonderful that some manufacturers are looking beyond the big 4-6-2 / 4-6-0 locos and filling gaps. I got all 5 liveries, I did the same with the D as I'm hoping to model east Kent.
A lined black D1 and a set of three SECR birdcage coaches (Bachmann?) would very nicely represent a local stopping train in pre-electrification Kent...
Excellent review. I "missed" the segment about snapping-in/assembling the cab doors?? I felt the highly visible boiler seam, "dragging" tender wheels, handrail finish, and gray paint drip through the window glazing area being visible in the cab, were quality issues warranting a somewhat lower rating. Any thought about securing an electronic push/pull force gauge in contrast to the highly subjective "finger=gauge" method? I wish more reviews in the states were as detailed and as informative as your reviews. I always appreciate the unpacking as well as the disassembly for maintenance segments.
Sam, a bit of SECR trivia: The "air pump" is actually a power reverse of all things! SECR seemingly adopted them on many of their locos, including the D and H class, and afaik they were even retained for the entirety of their lives? But yes, steam power reverse which is pretty unique to the SECR to my knowledge.
Hi Sam. One recommendation for the ratings you give. Instead of listing how many coaches or wagons it can haul, list the pulling power in Newtons, a slash, then the weight in grams. Anyone who wants to can then calculate the power to weight ratio if they’re so inclined. The problem (with your rating) is the loco can probably pull more of the small wagons, than it can the longer (and heavier) coaches. Either that, or list how many coaches the prototype could pull, so the modeler knows if the performance was on par with the actual thing, or if the performance is caused by problems with the mechanism or maybe the weight distribution over the driving wheels.
Love Sam's reviews, but I do find his power rating fairly nonsensical. I want to know if this lightweight engine can haul 4 or 5 coaches on his layout, not a mythical 14 on straight and level track in a vacuum!
Splendid model, worth the price. Dapol had put the little dishes into the great ones with this model, everything is spot on. They show us they can do high quality, as they did on their last models, Mogul, Manor and Prairie tank. We are close from German territory here (especially when it comes to the price !). Only down for me, the lack of flywheel. And the stuck tender wheels, but you can fiddle with that if you want But the dynamic qualities are right, unless you want to run an express train with 25 coaches (which the prototype did not do anyway). For the D class, Dapol bought the same motor as Hornby for their S15 ? I had this kind of problems only with SR locomotives (Oxford Rail Adams Radial, replaced by ...the Hornby model ! And the S15, plus the coupling rods of one of my Q1 that unscrew themselves while running, and zero spare parts available, wheels and coupling rods, to cure the problem !), seems there might be some curse here...
I have a couple of rails exclusive items in my collection and those are the 18000 gas turbine and I currently have on order is the 18100 gas turbine, while exclusives may be high in price at least they give us the opportunity to own models that would likely never be made by other manufacturers, good review overall Sam, I have already seen a couple of other peoples review of this D1 in the grey livery and from the looks of it it’s quite a good model.
The basic design and finishes are one of the positive features on this train. As the saying goes - "Less is more." BTW I once worked for a Les Moore - he was NOT a fan of me making fun of it DAILY. Thanks for the 'no holds barred' review.
Good old Rails Of Sheffield... still gouging the average punter with their Hornby and Bachmann pricing strategy. I won't purchase from them. I live in Oz and (like a few other establishments) they refuse to deduct VAT from their extortionate prices!!! 😅 Great review as always mukka. Cheers. Gaz
This new Dapol D1 4-4-0 American locomotive is a fantastic model. It is the 1st model from Dapol to have both the boiler and the running board made out of die cast metal together. Even though the model is a Rails Of Sheffield exclusive but it is money well spent because you get what you had paid for Sam.
At first, I wasn't too impressed by the class because I've seen the real D Class in the NRM this April and while it does look a lot better cosmetically this locomotive reminds me of one of my favourite locomotives: the S&DJR 2P and after a closer look I gotta admit it looks amazing. Now I understand why you're so impressed by it. One I will definitely consider buying. Dapol did a great job with this one. Much, much better than I expected. Great review, Sam 👍👍
The resemblance of SECR / SR 4-4-0s with Belpaire fireboxes (D1 / E1 / L1) to the MR 483 class and later LMS 2Ps has always struck me too. Hard to tell them apart in a blurry b&w photo. The fact that James Clayton was Chief Draughtsman and later Mausell's assistant must surely have something to do with it as he'd been Assistant Chief Draughtsman on the Midland before this, where he is credited with much of the work on the SDJR 7F.
I've got the olive Southern green one. I ran it for the very first time yesterday evening around my Club's continuous run layout. It performed impeccably on its own just like yours. However, then a club mate attached it to his quite long goods train. It just sat there wheels spinning. He kept taking wagons off until it ran, but even when it was reduced down to a train only about 3' 6" long, it still slipped a bit over points on the end curves 😢. I need to find some space in the body to add some lead.
I like the purposeful industrial look of all locos and diesel locos simple paint and numbering IMO looks the best. It's good to have all metal drive wheels, that way you can double head different loco manufactures without stripping gears in gearboxes and burning out motors. 👍
It is genuinely interesting to see the achievements of Dapol in 00 gauge steam locos. Their N gauge steam offerings have been saddled with a controversial mechanism design for years (tender engines anyway), and are mixed reviews at best. Their next new tooling is due to change all this so I hope they start improving like they have in 00.
haha yeah - some of Dapol's OO stuff have had terrible mechanical issues too, but those have been disappearing over recent years, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have two of their steamers in N (Britannia class and 9F) bought recently, less than six month, and they seems to be OK anyway. I have heard about the 9F having problems, I have to run mine more often to see if I'm lucky or not.
@@OlivierGabin I do think it’s a little of the old “you never hear about the good ones”, but at the same time the design choice to use a drive shaft from tender to loco is a little questionable, for some anyway.
@@adamwilliams192 Roco does this on their BR 50 in HO scale. I have one that is correctly running, but I agree that this is a little bit circonvoluted. For the moment, I have no issues with both models, my Roco and the 9F. I will see by use if it's a source of troubles or not, but I would have preferred, for both models, a simpler solution, either the drive in the engine or in the tender, but not this combination of both. It seem to me pointlessly complicated.
I got mine on Thursday I have the southern green one The lining is fantastic A really good review thanks Sam Your reviews are so much better than everyone else’s 👍🏻
After turning on this video straight up I knew that this would be great model. I’m thinking on getting one in the Southern Railway livery. Thanks Sam for posting this excellently explained review!
Everyone always assumes the SECR's steam reverser is an air pump for Westinghouse brakes. Even a member of loco crew once told me that the steam reverser on a P Class was a Westinghouse pump that wasn't connected up as they run on vaccuum brakes! It was the LBSCR who used Westinghouse air brakes. Both the SECR and the LSWR used vaccuum brakes, which became the SR standard. The SECR steam reverser generally wasn't used on SR locomotives, though the Q Class is the exception to that
Thank you Sam I enjoy the way you do these videos personally I can’t see how you could do a better job. It’s a very nice relaxing watch/listen. Keep up the good work take care
Sam - may I ask a question? Re tenders: some of us have our locomotives on static display when not running, and it's alway good to see the interior of the tender coal spaces. Would it be possible for you to remove the coal 'slab' in your reviews so we can see the details. Memories of the Hornby Gresley GN and 1924 Pacific tenders that had the rings in the coal space for the tender bodies to be lifted when in works - a wonderful touch probably missed by those who never think to remove the coal loads ;-)
Hi Sam, love this new D1 have three D classes. Sadly seems no full Secr fully lined version, unless I missed that on pre order. I am a little perplexed over the wartime grey livery. As Maunsell never started the Conversion until 1921 three years after ww1 and the last 11 conversion ending in 1927 12 years before ww2 even during ww2 I thought locos were blacked not grey, unless of course you know better, cheers for the video, Paul ,Sandling Junction
Not perfect but hopefully the motor is better this time. Minor negative points included the spoilt handrail, the dragging tender pick-ups and the front bogie that appears to show up inconsistencies in your track by lifting up times. I do like the clip in cab doors. Overall, I think I would go for a more colourful livery but that is a matter of opinion and choice. Please keep up the good work Sam!
It does seem a lot better this time, though that's all I can say for now. Yeah that's fair - they have you covered if you want more colour - the greens look lovely! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
When you show the ratings, you should use a brighter color instead of blue (coaches, score and grade). Blue on grey backgroud never works... I would suggest yellow or neon green. Just a suggestion... Keep up the good work. Been a fan for 3 years now... Cheers!
I had a super basic toy based on this when I was very little. I think it was a pull and go, no tender, maybe it made sound? I’m from the US and I remember they were always at all of the boardwalk stores at the beach. Does anyone else remember them?
Not a Westinghouse Air Pump, Sam! As I've pointed out to you before, SECR used steam reversing gear, that is the cylinder for reversing. I got two as one of the BR liveried versions is a loco my Father Drove. Possibly the best two cylinder 4-4-0 ever, before anyone else jumps in I know the Class V was better but that had three cylinders.
Quite impressive Sam and we are amazed how good steam locos in grey can actually look. Evidently, the price also reflects supporting Rails but to be quite candid, we would be quite cross seeing an axle of the tender stuck and the paint issue on one of the handrails. Perhaps the camera is showing the latter harshly though so we don't know how serious it would show in the real. The very flimsy and rather mediocre pickup design aren't matching the price and evidently also plays up. Bit of a mixed bag this one. I think we would have returned it but not sure how serious the paint issue actually looks and how easy the stuck axle is resolved. On the other hand, our tolerance for any quality issue is zero but that's us. Looks great overall. Cheerio.
Yes that's true - the design of the tender pickups is quite poor in my opinion, though to be fair I didn't notice it until the editing process. The pickups themselves are fine though, no issues with flimsiness that I noticed, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Agree, a lovely purposeful locomotive. Purchased the late BR Black liveried version, as 10 were transferred to the Western Division at Nine Elms in there latter years to deputise for recently withdrawn ex-LSWR T9’s. Sadly, mine is going to have to be returned to Dapol as the magnetic coupling between the loco and tender is faulty. Won’t even haul one wagon without separating, never mind three ex-SECR Birdcage Coaches. Anyone else have this problem? Adrian.
I nearly bought on of these but when it popped up on my feed that TMC had a Accurascale Class 37 in stock I had to make one hard choice and the 37 won so hopefully these are still in stock when I get paid again...
Dapol knocking it out of the park again loving their work and prices for the amount of features and love the gray shame about the tender wheels the manor has the same issue maybe that would help with the pulling power on track but apart from that another amazing model!!
I’ve been wanting to get the original basis for all the engines from Thomas, however there is no furness railway k2. So this will have to do for Edward for now. I also believe it was used for hornby’s Edward.
Could be wrong but I suspect pricing relates to the number manufactured and specification, with the result a smaller run number in an exclusive for one supplier will result in a higher price.
Hello Sam! I love your videos and your very in depth reviews of locomotives. I’ve been wanting to purchase the Accurascale manor class and I wanted to wait for you to do a review on it first. Is this locomotive on your list to be reviewed in the near future?
We're talking £500+ Roco territory here (or even Fulgurex!) I'd just love to see Sam's face when given a bill for half-a-grand or more for a small 4-4-0 ;-)
@@paulcaswell2813 lol, to be fair i do think manufactures are missing a trick with not making a 'fine scale' OO series. There's more money to be made with budget and premium rather than half way house
11:52 you should see Broadway Limited's brass hybrid steam locomotives - lots of weight, a hefty price tag, and - traction tires! They do pull like no other though.
That thing on the side of the boiler is not a Westinghouse pump Sam - the SECR was a vacuumed braked Railway not an air braked one like the neighbouring Brighton company (who therefore did need Westinghouse pumps on their locos, No, what you have on this loco… and the D class… and the H class…. and the C class… and the P class is steam powered reverser mechanism thus avoiding the need for huge levers or large wheels which needed many turns to change the settings of the valve gear - a flick of the wrist was all that was needed for crews. As such it’s something pretty much ALL SECR built locos are going to have - as they all need to be able to move at varying speeds forward and reverse.
Hi Sam, what a fine looking loco. I'm sold on the livery and finish., certainly some finesse. Does it pull a prototypical load? Pricey, but nice. Cheers as always.
It has something to do with the position of the internal main drive rods. Why they're positioned as such, I have no idea. Maybe it has an effect on acceleration...?
They will be correct - the main weight doesn't come from the coupling rods, but rather the rest of the valve gear, which we can't see on this model! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I noticed you caught the tender wheels not rolling, this will cause traction issues with the locomotive. You might try using Bachmann’s pickup lube ( I hope I got the name right) it may help with the dragging wheels. The model is very nice, but I do have a question, does the drive rods and valve gear work?
Yeah pick-up lube might help, but the trouble is you’d have to put it on the edge of the flange… so it’d inevitably get deposited onto the track, which would make a mess… just don’t know why they designed it like that really!
Hi Sam, I don't think there was a out one out, but I did see the LMS compound, GWR City class, s&djr 2p, Gwr Dukedog, and the great central d11. Hopefully I got all those right. Cheers Jasper & Willow
The L1 was slightly bigger than the D1 (and E1) but otherwise looked very similar. Often the 3 classes would be used turn and turnabout on a lot of secondary duties.
The reference to cab doors in the manual is a carry over from the D class document. In real life the D1locos did NOT have cab doors and the tooling plus actual accessories reflect that truth.
Are those casting marks on the chimney and dome? Vertical on the chimney, horizontal on the dome. Nice review, I'm honestly always surprised how well they run without a flywheel, little disappointed though as flywheels are pretty mainstream, even in n scale steam. I suppose it's a compromise between using a small motor with or a more robust without. Good photography as always. Bit depressing the D1 performance degrading after only a couple of years... makes things like quality axle bearings a bit superfluous if the rest of it wears out that quickly
Sorry for the n00b question. But being french I know all about Heusinger valve gear. Even a bit about Allan’s. But how on earth that thing drive power to the main wheels ? (Real one of course)
Here in Australia our rtr steam locos are $450 to 795.95 that’s 236.85 pounds to 417.82 pounds this is for no n dcc fitted steamers edit $295 is the cheapest 155.27pounds but very basic no lights no tender pick ups and such
Excellent review, Sam. Would get one if I didn’t have a D class of my own. I’m rather sorry to see that it apparently never wore the SECR green. The D1 is not as elegant as the original D class imo, would love to have seen how it would’ve pulled it off. If anyone dabbles in Photoshop and wants to take this on, feel free to let me know. “There’s no such thing as an ugly South Eastern engine, especially in this livery.” -The Unlucky Tug
Generally they're just available until the batch has sold out... and then if they choose, another batch will be made after that! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What slightly confuses me, and its not a criticism of the model at all, is that from the manual blurb (and I double checked), the Ds were converted to D1s from 1921 to 1927. This would be just within the SECRs timescale, given as they were grouped in 1923, however, wartime grey? Was this livery continued by the SECR until grouping? Otherwise, a locomotive that didn't exist until 1921 carrying a livery worn by SECR locomotives from 1914 to 1918/1919 would seem...off. I am an LNWR/LMS man myself so, the SECR is rather alien to me. Can anyone confirm, correct etc?
A beautiful model, though not a prototype I have much interest in for my own collection. Well done, Dapol. Side note, I find it odd that you put GWR coaches behind the LMS Compound in the sidings.
While this was a good model, I do think you were a little generous with the score. The detail is amazing, so you definitely can’t knock that down. I do however think that it should have been knocked down somewhere for not being very heavy, as other 4-4-0s tend to have more, and this one is not exactly small. I also think it should have maybe lost a bit for the motor. While the motor has not solved problems in this case, it has caused issues with the terriers and D Classes, and it also caused a lack of torch in most of Dapol’s GWR locomotives. I also think the value score was generous, as while it was slightly better than the D Class, it wasn’t enough of an improvement in my opinion to make it worth the price. In all honesty too, a €200 a model that runs perfectly and looks amazing is really the bare minimum, so I would have personally given it two stars instead of three. Overall though, this is a great model, and while I personally won’t be picking one up due to the silly price, it does seem to be a fairly good model.
The original reason for shops charging £9.99 was so that shop assitants would have to open the till to break a £10 note, and so record the sale, and not be able to simply pocket the tenner. But to charge £199.99 for something bought on line is not only unecessary, it's really patronising - be honest, it's £200, or do they think I'm an idiot?
Not great that there appears to be the ghost of a BR shed plate on the smokebox door! Not something you'd expect on a 2023 model, especially for a £200 premium. Also a shame that etchings are not included for the cast cabside plates. Another feature you'd expect of a main range Dapol GWR release.
The join between the bottom and top of the rear part of the boiler really stands out, and round the other side the fit is even worse. Halfway cast lines down the chimnley and also on the whistle look pants as well. So I can save 200 quid and buy something else! Oh and the coupling hook on the front buffer beam been made of plastic looks naff.
Dapol took the Level, gave it a training montage and raised it up to a brand new heights. I've got mine in Maunsell Green and my god it is amazing. If you are a keen collector, this model is a must have.
They certainly did - wonderful things aren't they? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
These locos held up the entire SECR Network along with the L1 Class for the majority of the Steam Era. I'm hoping Dapol decides to model the other two SECR 4-4-0s in the future as well.
Got one in BR Black and SR Green but both work fantastically! Pulls roughly 9 coaches with magnets enabled. Very accurate to the prototype!
@@zerosen1972 One of the 4-4-0s I'd like to see a model of is the LB&SCR B4 and it's rebuild the B4X. It's a very elegant looking locomotive
@@vectorbrony3473 Very Interesting Choice. I could see Bachmann taking on a B4 since they currently hold the market on LBSCR RTR Locos. I'd prefer the B4X Version myself since it made it to BR and most of my models are BR Era outside of my SECR Stuff.
I heard a rumor Bachmann might be doing a LBSCR K Class in the future but I don't know whether it's true or not. Wouldn't surprise me though.
A stunning model! It almost glides across the tracks and looks stunning in that grey livery! (Those are my favorite paint schemes) Great review Sam!
I remember seeing the last D1s and similar E1s in the late 50s (I think the final ones went in 1961). They look good in Southern green, though the lined BR black suited them when clean!
Credit to Dapol and Rails for bringing the D1 to Ready to run. It's wonderful that some manufacturers are looking beyond the big 4-6-2 / 4-6-0 locos and filling gaps. I got all 5 liveries, I did the same with the D as I'm hoping to model east Kent.
A lined black D1 and a set of three SECR birdcage coaches (Bachmann?) would very nicely represent a local stopping train in pre-electrification Kent...
Excellent review. I "missed" the segment about snapping-in/assembling the cab doors?? I felt the highly visible boiler seam, "dragging" tender wheels, handrail finish, and gray paint drip through the window glazing area being visible in the cab, were quality issues warranting a somewhat lower rating. Any thought about securing an electronic push/pull force gauge in contrast to the highly subjective "finger=gauge" method? I wish more reviews in the states were as detailed and as informative as your reviews. I always appreciate the unpacking as well as the disassembly for maintenance segments.
Sam, a bit of SECR trivia:
The "air pump" is actually a power reverse of all things! SECR seemingly adopted them on many of their locos, including the D and H class, and afaik they were even retained for the entirety of their lives? But yes, steam power reverse which is pretty unique to the SECR to my knowledge.
Yes, it actually goes back to the James Stirling era on the South Eastern Railway, c. 1879 onwards. It worked!
Ahh duly noted - I stand corrected, many thanks!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Didn't the Bulleid Pacific's have power assisted reversers as well?
I like the gray livery on this 4-4-0 locomotive, love the design on it!
I do too - such a great livery! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. One recommendation for the ratings you give. Instead of listing how many coaches or wagons it can haul, list the pulling power in Newtons, a slash, then the weight in grams. Anyone who wants to can then calculate the power to weight ratio if they’re so inclined. The problem (with your rating) is the loco can probably pull more of the small wagons, than it can the longer (and heavier) coaches. Either that, or list how many coaches the prototype could pull, so the modeler knows if the performance was on par with the actual thing, or if the performance is caused by problems with the mechanism or maybe the weight distribution over the driving wheels.
Love Sam's reviews, but I do find his power rating fairly nonsensical. I want to know if this lightweight engine can haul 4 or 5 coaches on his layout, not a mythical 14 on straight and level track in a vacuum!
Splendid model, worth the price. Dapol had put the little dishes into the great ones with this model, everything is spot on. They show us they can do high quality, as they did on their last models, Mogul, Manor and Prairie tank. We are close from German territory here (especially when it comes to the price !). Only down for me, the lack of flywheel. And the stuck tender wheels, but you can fiddle with that if you want But the dynamic qualities are right, unless you want to run an express train with 25 coaches (which the prototype did not do anyway).
For the D class, Dapol bought the same motor as Hornby for their S15 ? I had this kind of problems only with SR locomotives (Oxford Rail Adams Radial, replaced by ...the Hornby model ! And the S15, plus the coupling rods of one of my Q1 that unscrew themselves while running, and zero spare parts available, wheels and coupling rods, to cure the problem !), seems there might be some curse here...
I have a couple of rails exclusive items in my collection and those are the 18000 gas turbine and I currently have on order is the 18100 gas turbine, while exclusives may be high in price at least they give us the opportunity to own models that would likely never be made by other manufacturers, good review overall Sam, I have already seen a couple of other peoples review of this D1 in the grey livery and from the looks of it it’s quite a good model.
Yeah that's right - it is cool to own those models, for sure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The basic design and finishes are one of the positive features on this train. As the saying goes - "Less is more."
BTW I once worked for a Les Moore - he was NOT a fan of me making fun of it DAILY.
Thanks for the 'no holds barred' review.
Good old Rails Of Sheffield... still gouging the average punter with their Hornby and Bachmann pricing strategy.
I won't purchase from them. I live in Oz and (like a few other establishments) they refuse to deduct VAT from their extortionate prices!!! 😅
Great review as always mukka.
Cheers. Gaz
This new Dapol D1 4-4-0 American locomotive is a fantastic model. It is the 1st model from Dapol to have both the boiler and the running board made out of die cast metal together. Even though the model is a Rails Of Sheffield exclusive but it is money well spent because you get what you had paid for Sam.
It sure is fantastic - though the running board still isn't metal as far as I can tell,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I see.
Very nice. I still don't have a D class, and I don't have enough money to get all the SECR locos I want...
At first, I wasn't too impressed by the class because I've seen the real D Class in the NRM this April and while it does look a lot better cosmetically this locomotive reminds me of one of my favourite locomotives: the S&DJR 2P and after a closer look I gotta admit it looks amazing. Now I understand why you're so impressed by it. One I will definitely consider buying. Dapol did a great job with this one. Much, much better than I expected. Great review, Sam 👍👍
The resemblance of SECR / SR 4-4-0s with Belpaire fireboxes (D1 / E1 / L1) to the MR 483 class and later LMS 2Ps has always struck me too. Hard to tell them apart in a blurry b&w photo. The fact that James Clayton was Chief Draughtsman and later Mausell's assistant must surely have something to do with it as he'd been Assistant Chief Draughtsman on the Midland before this, where he is credited with much of the work on the SDJR 7F.
I've got the olive Southern green one. I ran it for the very first time yesterday evening around my Club's continuous run layout. It performed impeccably on its own just like yours. However, then a club mate attached it to his quite long goods train. It just sat there wheels spinning. He kept taking wagons off until it ran, but even when it was reduced down to a train only about 3' 6" long, it still slipped a bit over points on the end curves 😢. I need to find some space in the body to add some lead.
The SECR L1 is one of my favorite locomotives now
I like the purposeful industrial look of all locos and diesel locos simple paint and numbering IMO looks the best. It's good to have all metal drive wheels, that way you can double head different loco manufactures without stripping gears in gearboxes and burning out motors. 👍
I really do too - really makes it in my opinion! It sure is a good quality mechanism too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It is genuinely interesting to see the achievements of Dapol in 00 gauge steam locos.
Their N gauge steam offerings have been saddled with a controversial mechanism design for years (tender engines anyway), and are mixed reviews at best.
Their next new tooling is due to change all this so I hope they start improving like they have in 00.
haha yeah - some of Dapol's OO stuff have had terrible mechanical issues too, but those have been disappearing over recent years,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have two of their steamers in N (Britannia class and 9F) bought recently, less than six month, and they seems to be OK anyway. I have heard about the 9F having problems, I have to run mine more often to see if I'm lucky or not.
@@OlivierGabin I do think it’s a little of the old “you never hear about the good ones”, but at the same time the design choice to use a drive shaft from tender to loco is a little questionable, for some anyway.
@@adamwilliams192 Roco does this on their BR 50 in HO scale. I have one that is correctly running, but I agree that this is a little bit circonvoluted. For the moment, I have no issues with both models, my Roco and the 9F. I will see by use if it's a source of troubles or not, but I would have preferred, for both models, a simpler solution, either the drive in the engine or in the tender, but not this combination of both. It seem to me pointlessly complicated.
Hi sam loving this little loco and received my 2 sets of rocket wagons today very happy with them thank you
It's a pleasure Peter, glad you're pleased! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got mine on Thursday
I have the southern green one
The lining is fantastic
A really good review thanks Sam
Your reviews are so much better than everyone else’s 👍🏻
Great to hear that - the SR green one looks tremendous too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
After turning on this video straight up I knew that this would be great model. I’m thinking on getting one in the Southern Railway livery. Thanks Sam for posting this excellently explained review!
Everyone always assumes the SECR's steam reverser is an air pump for Westinghouse brakes. Even a member of loco crew once told me that the steam reverser on a P Class was a Westinghouse pump that wasn't connected up as they run on vaccuum brakes! It was the LBSCR who used Westinghouse air brakes. Both the SECR and the LSWR used vaccuum brakes, which became the SR standard. The SECR steam reverser generally wasn't used on SR locomotives, though the Q Class is the exception to that
Stunning. The grey looks spectacular. I’m not a southern fan but this is very tempting!
"...but it's still quite a light loco at two hundred pounds" chortle chortle. It is a lovely loco; Dapol does it again.
Thanks Sam George
Thank you Sam I enjoy the way you do these videos personally I can’t see how you could do a better job. It’s a very nice relaxing watch/listen. Keep up the good work take care
Sam - may I ask a question? Re tenders: some of us have our locomotives on static display when not running, and it's alway good to see the interior of the tender coal spaces. Would it be possible for you to remove the coal 'slab' in your reviews so we can see the details. Memories of the Hornby Gresley GN and 1924 Pacific tenders that had the rings in the coal space for the tender bodies to be lifted when in works - a wonderful touch probably missed by those who never think to remove the coal loads ;-)
Hi Sam, love this new D1 have three D classes. Sadly seems no full Secr fully lined version, unless I missed that on pre order. I am a little perplexed over the wartime grey livery. As Maunsell never started the Conversion until 1921 three years after ww1 and the last 11 conversion ending in 1927 12 years before ww2 even during ww2 I thought locos were blacked not grey, unless of course you know better, cheers for the video, Paul ,Sandling Junction
Not perfect but hopefully the motor is better this time.
Minor negative points included the spoilt handrail, the dragging tender pick-ups and the front bogie that appears to show up inconsistencies in your track by lifting up times.
I do like the clip in cab doors.
Overall, I think I would go for a more colourful livery but that is a matter of opinion and choice.
Please keep up the good work Sam!
It does seem a lot better this time, though that's all I can say for now. Yeah that's fair - they have you covered if you want more colour - the greens look lovely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I know. Had this been Hornby Sam would have slated it to high heaven...
When you show the ratings, you should use a brighter color instead of blue (coaches, score and grade). Blue on grey backgroud never works... I would suggest yellow or neon green.
Just a suggestion...
Keep up the good work.
Been a fan for 3 years now... Cheers!
Thanks a lot for the suggestion, I appreciate it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I had a super basic toy based on this when I was very little. I think it was a pull and go, no tender, maybe it made sound? I’m from the US and I remember they were always at all of the boardwalk stores at the beach. Does anyone else remember them?
Not a Westinghouse Air Pump, Sam! As I've pointed out to you before, SECR used steam reversing gear, that is the cylinder for reversing. I got two as one of the BR liveried versions is a loco my Father Drove. Possibly the best two cylinder 4-4-0 ever, before anyone else jumps in I know the Class V was better but that had three cylinders.
The Class V (Schools) was quite simply the finest 4-4-0 ever designed - in any country.
Quite impressive Sam and we are amazed how good steam locos in grey can actually look. Evidently, the price also reflects supporting Rails but to be quite candid, we would be quite cross seeing an axle of the tender stuck and the paint issue on one of the handrails. Perhaps the camera is showing the latter harshly though so we don't know how serious it would show in the real. The very flimsy and rather mediocre pickup design aren't matching the price and evidently also plays up. Bit of a mixed bag this one. I think we would have returned it but not sure how serious the paint issue actually looks and how easy the stuck axle is resolved. On the other hand, our tolerance for any quality issue is zero but that's us. Looks great overall. Cheerio.
Yes that's true - the design of the tender pickups is quite poor in my opinion, though to be fair I didn't notice it until the editing process. The pickups themselves are fine though, no issues with flimsiness that I noticed,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Had it been Hornby I shudder to think of what Sam would have said ;-)
Hi Sam,
Agree, a lovely purposeful locomotive. Purchased the late BR Black liveried version, as 10 were transferred to the Western Division at Nine Elms in there latter years to deputise for recently withdrawn ex-LSWR T9’s.
Sadly, mine is going to have to be returned to Dapol as the magnetic coupling between the loco and tender is faulty. Won’t even haul one wagon without separating, never mind three ex-SECR Birdcage Coaches.
Anyone else have this problem?
Adrian.
I nearly bought on of these but when it popped up on my feed that TMC had a Accurascale Class 37 in stock I had to make one hard choice and the 37 won so hopefully these are still in stock when I get paid again...
Hi Sam I just got my first N scale model train layout do you have any recommendations for expansion packs?
Dapol knocking it out of the park again loving their work and prices for the amount of features and love the gray shame about the tender wheels the manor has the same issue maybe that would help with the pulling power on track but apart from that another amazing model!!
How is your Dapol Manor after a year? Still performing well? I bought one based on your review. Still happy but I don’t run it that much
I’ve been wanting to get the original basis for all the engines from Thomas, however there is no furness railway k2. So this will have to do for Edward for now. I also believe it was used for hornby’s Edward.
Could be wrong but I suspect pricing relates to the number manufactured and specification, with the result a smaller run number in an exclusive for one supplier will result in a higher price.
I love some models of Dapol. I’d love to buy all there trains as they are local to me but too many disappointments. However this is a real beauty!
Perfect for a spare Edward for the Awdry layout.
Hello Sam! I love your videos and your very in depth reviews of locomotives. I’ve been wanting to purchase the Accurascale manor class and I wanted to wait for you to do a review on it first. Is this locomotive on your list to be reviewed in the near future?
The d1 will make another fine addition to my collection.
Coming from N gauge, it surprises me that kinematic couplers are a standard feature on so much OO gauge rolling stock. It's nice :)
I’ll have to watch your Hornby Q1 video again for haulage section. This is a more realistic model loco I’ve seen in years.
When you say “backwards” do you mean reversing, or turning the loco to run anticlockwise?
I absolutely love this model Sam. I'll be getting one very soon, I'll probably go for the southern olive green one.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That sounds great - the olive green looks gorgeous too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
nice loco. for me, i want to see working internal motion. i know this will prove a challenge but we're talking premium pricing anyway
We're talking £500+ Roco territory here (or even Fulgurex!) I'd just love to see Sam's face when given a bill for half-a-grand or more for a small 4-4-0 ;-)
@@paulcaswell2813 lol, to be fair i do think manufactures are missing a trick with not making a 'fine scale' OO series. There's more money to be made with budget and premium rather than half way house
I what you mean, I love that gray finish too.
Yeah totally - amazing isn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
11:52 you should see Broadway Limited's brass hybrid steam locomotives - lots of weight, a hefty price tag, and - traction tires! They do pull like no other though.
That sounds amazing - yeah I've always wanted to try one! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
LSWR T9 and the D1 were almost going the same speed. Can't wait for the update of the new and hopefully improved D1 compared to the failed brother.
That thing on the side of the boiler is not a Westinghouse pump Sam - the SECR was a vacuumed braked Railway not an air braked one like the neighbouring Brighton company (who therefore did need Westinghouse pumps on their locos,
No, what you have on this loco… and the D class… and the H class…. and the C class… and the P class is steam powered reverser mechanism thus avoiding the need for huge levers or large wheels which needed many turns to change the settings of the valve gear - a flick of the wrist was all that was needed for crews.
As such it’s something pretty much ALL SECR built locos are going to have - as they all need to be able to move at varying speeds forward and reverse.
Just a dumb question, is Edward from Thomas and Friends inspired from the D1 class? Just with smaller wheels?
Hi Sam, what a fine looking loco. I'm sold on the livery and finish., certainly some finesse. Does it pull a prototypical load? Pricey, but nice. Cheers as always.
If you go for the Hawthorns 0-4-0T watch out it has a smokebox hinge on the side you inserted the tool.
Good stuff! Oddly, not the biggest fan of the grey, which I unusual as I love non standard liveries, but it’s growing on me. It’s an impressive loco!
Are the counter weights on the driving wheels wrong? I thought they were always opposite the coupling rods. Not an expert!
I believe they are correct
It has something to do with the position of the internal main drive rods. Why they're positioned as such, I have no idea. Maybe it has an effect on acceleration...?
They will be correct - the main weight doesn't come from the coupling rods, but rather the rest of the valve gear, which we can't see on this model!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Would a little extra weight in the tender help to stop the wheels from draging?
Hey Sam. Just got my Accurascale class 37. Are you doing a review on it?
I noticed you caught the tender wheels not rolling, this will cause traction issues with the locomotive. You might try using Bachmann’s pickup lube ( I hope I got the name right) it may help with the dragging wheels. The model is very nice, but I do have a question, does the drive rods and valve gear work?
Yeah pick-up lube might help, but the trouble is you’d have to put it on the edge of the flange… so it’d inevitably get deposited onto the track, which would make a mess… just don’t know why they designed it like that really!
Found the odd one out of all the other locos! The Midland Compound is the only 4-4-0 with outside cyclinders, everything else has inside cyclinders
I’m wondering if the firebox flicker is meant to flicker like that at lower speeds, to emulate the lesser draw on the fire? Could be wrong
Hi Sam, I don't think there was a out one out, but I did see the LMS compound, GWR City class, s&djr 2p, Gwr Dukedog, and the great central d11. Hopefully I got all those right.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Very well spotted! Great train spotting :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've noticed Sam that the D1 almost looks like the L1.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yes it does actually - that's a very good point!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The L1 was slightly bigger than the D1 (and E1) but otherwise looked very similar. Often the 3 classes would be used turn and turnabout on a lot of secondary duties.
I bought the same colour, although I do like the green versions too
Yeah me too - the greens look lovely!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The reference to cab doors in the manual is a carry over from the D class document. In real life the D1locos did NOT have cab doors and the tooling plus actual accessories reflect that truth.
Are those casting marks on the chimney and dome? Vertical on the chimney, horizontal on the dome. Nice review, I'm honestly always surprised how well they run without a flywheel, little disappointed though as flywheels are pretty mainstream, even in n scale steam. I suppose it's a compromise between using a small motor with or a more robust without.
Good photography as always.
Bit depressing the D1 performance degrading after only a couple of years... makes things like quality axle bearings a bit superfluous if the rest of it wears out that quickly
Not sure about the chimney, but the line on the dome is prototypical. Really glad you liked the video!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Sorry for the n00b question. But being french I know all about Heusinger valve gear. Even a bit about Allan’s.
But how on earth that thing drive power to the main wheels ? (Real one of course)
Here in Australia our rtr steam locos are $450 to 795.95 that’s 236.85 pounds to 417.82 pounds this is for no n dcc fitted steamers edit $295 is the cheapest 155.27pounds but very basic no lights no tender pick ups and such
Excellent video, well done.
A very beautiful loco. When it´s on low speed not all tender wheels are rolling.
Hey Sam, do you intend to review the TMC exclusive G5? :D
That would make a nice custom Edward
Why the Rebuilt SECR Class D1 looks so similar to the LMS Fowler Class 2P?
Excellent review, Sam. Would get one if I didn’t have a D class of my own.
I’m rather sorry to see that it apparently never wore the SECR green. The D1 is not as elegant as the original D class imo, would love to have seen how it would’ve pulled it off.
If anyone dabbles in Photoshop and wants to take this on, feel free to let me know.
“There’s no such thing as an ugly South Eastern engine, especially in this livery.” -The Unlucky Tug
Thanks very much! Yeah an SECR green version would have been great wouldn't it? Bet they would have sold anyway tbf!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Nice review ,Yes could be a winner, nice lines, (I've run out of birthdays 😊) All the best Brian 😃
Thanks so much Brian - hahaha never mind!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Cool looking model also are you gonna get back to making any Thomas content anytime soon just asking😋
What's all this nonsense about Thomas garbage. Sam reviews models of genuine engines, not the dreams of a daydreaming clergyman.
I oove your vids!
Always keeps me entertained!
Cheers Mate!
Thank you so much that's lovely to hear! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam I have 1 question. How long do manufacturers make some models available for?
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Generally they're just available until the batch has sold out... and then if they choose, another batch will be made after that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
What slightly confuses me, and its not a criticism of the model at all, is that from the manual blurb (and I double checked), the Ds were converted to D1s from 1921 to 1927.
This would be just within the SECRs timescale, given as they were grouped in 1923, however, wartime grey? Was this livery continued by the SECR until grouping? Otherwise, a locomotive that didn't exist until 1921 carrying a livery worn by SECR locomotives from 1914 to 1918/1919 would seem...off.
I am an LNWR/LMS man myself so, the SECR is rather alien to me. Can anyone confirm, correct etc?
".... as much as they possible can" 🤣🤣🤣
Fantastic video and loco, it looks lovely!
It sure does! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A beautiful model, though not a prototype I have much interest in for my own collection. Well done, Dapol.
Side note, I find it odd that you put GWR coaches behind the LMS Compound in the sidings.
The LMS Compound is on the siding behnd the GWR rake, and has maroon LMS/BR coaches. The GWR clerestories ars being hauled by the GWR 4-4-0...
Ahh no worries - still interesting to see hopefully! Yeah was gonna say... don't think i did that haha!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Your model has come with the wrong smokebox door for SECR. It has a BR shed plate moulded into it. 😮
A nice Loco - I like the 4-4-0's 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Wow Dapol finally got the Mechanism right. Very very nice. As shame about the price.
While this was a good model, I do think you were a little generous with the score. The detail is amazing, so you definitely can’t knock that down. I do however think that it should have been knocked down somewhere for not being very heavy, as other 4-4-0s tend to have more, and this one is not exactly small. I also think it should have maybe lost a bit for the motor. While the motor has not solved problems in this case, it has caused issues with the terriers and D Classes, and it also caused a lack of torch in most of Dapol’s GWR locomotives. I also think the value score was generous, as while it was slightly better than the D Class, it wasn’t enough of an improvement in my opinion to make it worth the price. In all honesty too, a €200 a model that runs perfectly and looks amazing is really the bare minimum, so I would have personally given it two stars instead of three. Overall though, this is a great model, and while I personally won’t be picking one up due to the silly price, it does seem to be a fairly good model.
This locomotive is looks like the SECR version of the Fowler’s 2P locomotive.
Lots of people seem to like the grey livery, but bear in mind (a) it was current for only a few years and (b) got dirty and weathered very quickly!
Man I wish it was easier to get this stuff over here it the states. 😔
A amazing model Sam!
I agree overall! :D
How many cars did the prototype handle?
The original reason for shops charging £9.99 was so that shop assitants would have to open the till to break a £10 note, and so record the sale, and not be able to simply pocket the tenner.
But to charge £199.99 for something bought on line is not only unecessary, it's really patronising - be honest, it's £200, or do they think I'm an idiot?
Alan Partridge called it "price rhetoric"! 😄
Not great that there appears to be the ghost of a BR shed plate on the smokebox door! Not something you'd expect on a 2023 model, especially for a £200 premium. Also a shame that etchings are not included for the cast cabside plates. Another feature you'd expect of a main range Dapol GWR release.
Nice looking loco👍😊🤩
Thank you Sam! :D
SECR running session?
The join between the bottom and top of the rear part of the boiler really stands out, and round the other side the fit is even worse. Halfway cast lines down the chimnley and also on the whistle look pants as well. So I can save 200 quid and buy something else! Oh and the coupling hook on the front buffer beam been made of plastic looks naff.
Amazing review sam
Thanks Justin! :D