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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2018
- Trevor responds to a letter from French ambassador Gérard Araud criticizing him for congratulating Africa on France’s World Cup victory.
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“I am a Germany when we win, I am an immigrant when we lose”
- Mesut Özil
Besides the "Erdogan Affair", don't forget that he just performed very bad during the WC (he was one of the worst players). Everyone loved him before he went to Arsenal, thats when his career went downhill. This has nothing to do with racism ( except for some actual Neo-Nazis maybe)
Those two statuses aren't mutually exclusive. He is an immigrant who also represents Germany* and is paid for this - just like dozens of trainers, sponsors and other members of the whole system who put their hard work and expertise into the results and into making him the best athlete he can be.
If he's also German - because an immigrant can become a German both as a citizen or as a member of the nation** - either through process of cultural adoption or naturalisation or being born to a (partially) german family abroad - although unfortunately many people of turkish origin don't consider themselves german and even despise german culture (it's not like I disagree in that regard lol) creating large colonies which are often considered by their inhabitants to be actual turkish land, so it is understandable that he might not be accepted as a member of the group by certain people who don't know anything about him BUT that he represents Germany - which is the important part for them.
*even if he's not considered to be german by himself, members of the group, nor doesn't present objective qualities allowing for attributing him to that it, he still is there to represent Germany - not himself, Turks, his family or immigrants. I know, it's hard to accept that someone from an outgroup could represent the ingroup but we do it all the time - ever heard of outsourcing? :v And even then it's not really outsourcing since he belongs to the whole system, this unholy machine needed for large enterprises (such as a national representation at a major sports event) to be succesful
**as considered by others/represented by certain beliefs he holds and cultural frame he fits into/as felt by himself
Nick Hasan hold on, because I addressed his performance its racist? Are you a troll, or did you forget to take your medicine?😂
Lukaku said exactly the same thing
"In my heard I am always a Turk when I play. Long life Erdogan!!!"
- Mesut Özil
If they can be both then I congratulate Africa for winning NBA every year.
@Fabreena Why do you think that the French are backwards?
4:57
I sort of agree but don't because unless all the NBA players families have directed migrated from Africa then its different because that would mean that they have been here for centuries/ generations.
@@ceciliamata6339 They all raised in France unlike their parents or grandparents
Or is there some DNA issues by your reasoning?
@@timcosa9885 I just mean that they were raised by Africans so they can be both they are clearly french but they were raised the at home the same way Africans were. DNA?
Trevor: Calls out the French for their colonialism
Me: *sweats in British*
That's funny.
I am an Indian and thanks for the laugh! 😅
😂😂😂😂😂
All is fine now just dont go complaining about why theres black people in the U.K
😂😂😂
"France colonalism" as someone who's from a country that has been colonised by france i was so GLAD he made that point clear.
Yes !
True...the fact that he reads it with the French accent is hilarious😁
What’s your country?
Yeah that right !!
even if there were no colonialism , African are still going to immigrate in France because of the high life style
Whenever my son misbehaves, my wife refers to him as "your son". When he does something good, she says "our son".
Well my mum goes to my dad in joking manner obviously "my daughter" when I do something good
I thought “her son”
I'm sorry about that, I hope it works out best for everyone involved x
Communism intensives
That's a pretty toxic thing to do i think
There is an old saying in my mothertongue that goes (a loose translation) A successful child belongs to the father but a bad child brings shame to its mother.
Yup. Even I have also heard about this saying in my country.
@Lesley NC, are you Nigerian?
Hello. No, I am Kenyan.
In my country there is the same thing
Lesley NC my mom told us the exact same thing when we were growing up in India so #inmycountrytoo
"I am German when we win, but an immigrant when we lose.” Mesut Özil
he will be never a german tho.
The same thing in French
Racism in another flavor
@@othellox1064 lol he is german tho hahahah
Thats why he left
@@othellox1064 He was born in Germany, like what??? Don't modern nations take in that sort of thing, you ancestory does not matter, only birth and citizenship.
"When he was on the ground he was African " so powerful
indeedddddddddddddddd
Except that he wasn't granted French citizenship until he saved the child and as a reward for doing so. Anyone seeking citizenship of another country is not a citizen of that country until the moment that country gives them citizenship. Powerful, yet at the same time common sense. At the top of the building, the man's had a potentially life altering moment. He was now something that he wasn't before. @@Edbashir
"When I score I am Romelu Lukaku, the Belgian striker. When I don't score I am Romelu Lukaku, the Belgian striker with Congolese descent."
- Romelu Lukaku.
🤣🤣
That’s when I don’t agree with lukaku, he is still the Belgian striker with Congolese descent even when he scores. You might not be born there but don’t forget get your heritage when you succeed. You wouldn’t have been there if it weren’t for you descendents
Rayn Manning you’re misunderstanding him. What he’s saying is this is how people consider him. When he’s doing great things, they claim him as Belgian and only Belgian in order to enjoy his achievements. But when he fails he’s not truly Belgian anymore. It’s not how he views himself, it’s how Belgian society views him.
Melody Headburn oooh I see, it’s people see him when he succeeds and when he doesn’t. Like what they do with Ozil
@@raynmanning2893 yes exactly how they do with Ozil, and how they did Balotelli in 2012
His way Of Talking And Selection of words Is So damn Accurate and Charming.
@@mustafainulhaque9508 Ellipses on so many sentences in a single paragraph when it's unnecessary. "Not in comment section" isn't correct English, there must be an article. You use words like "fucktard" and accuse others of "fucking English". Well, do you mind?
@@danielliang9266 isnt he just being sarcastic?
@@danielliang9266 the ellipses were for a dramatic effect. And as far as the word fucktard is concerned, lol wtf bro? You need to understand the word 'sarcasm' Mr. Grammar Nazi. Not to mention its unbelievable that you're defending the idiot who wrote the comment in the first place. 😑
@@fatewinder true, I am. Lol, tell him
He is so intelligent..!
"If I Score, I'm French. If I Don't, I'm Arab?" (Karim Benzema).
What I find interestin about the US is that there are African Americans, Asian Americans, Indian Americans, even Native Americans; but when it comes to refearing to white people we don't say European Americans, we just say Americans. Because they feel like they're the ones that ARE Americans in its esence (big lie, they have a European origin, all of them). I don't know, I'm not a US citicent, so I don't really understand. If somebody could explain it to me (respectfully), I'd be glad to listen
Not really true. We have Irish Americans and Italian Americans that have very proud cultural organizations, parades, festivals, etc. In Chicago there's a Ukrainian American society and a Polish American one. The odd difference is that America tends to lump people more broadly from non-European places. You'll hear Asian-American more often than you'll hear Japanese American or Korean American. You'll hear African American before Senegalese American. It's not always true. Mexican-Americans are Mexican Americans whereas a Chilean American will more likely get labeled Latin or Hispanic. Anyone from the Middle East is just Middle Eastern not Syrian, etc. I'm not sure I understand why really. Maybe we see more specifically the cultural differences among white people and have a slightly racist inclination to think of non-white people as coming from the same or similar places. Obviously there are rich cultural differences and even troubled histories between Chinese and Japanese people but often when they are both in America they are just Asian-Americans. A group identity that wouldn't exist outside of our country.
@@missolympiabinewski thank you🥰 I appreciate the explanation. It's a very interesting situation, as I'm from the Basque Country and this does not happen the same way in here.
@@maialendch4001 I appreciate the question! It's funny the things you don't think about because they just get normalized. Takes someone from outside to jar you into thinking about it!
@@missolympiabinewski yes hahaha I guess😅 we need a lot of thinking before we can start to change the world
@@maialendch4001 Just a second thought. White Americans lumping people together based on race might have an organizing effect. Asian Americans and African Americans wind up having a lot in common based on how they are treated which forms cross-national bonds. So Nigerian and Ethiopian Americans are united in a group identity based upon similar racist treatment. It creates solidarity. White people don't do that to other white people which means you get these more specific ethnic and national identities. You can be a Greek-American and not just a European American.
Man, this guy speaks so well.
@@igorslagalo2378 you have a right to your opinion. I can respect that :))
He is the best. Always clear arguments
Mustafain ul Haque dude he mite become a president one day
@@user-ui1iv9db7u Yea man, the guy has a crazy amount of influence.
@@igorslagalo2378 you jealous much lol
Trevor: gets into trouble.
Also Trevor : Mocks their accents when telling the story 😂😂😂
Mocking and imitating is different bud. Mocking is malice in the FORM of imutating.
nice amount of like you have
@@lofinyzosma4281 ~nice~
@@aceofspades58 it's an exaggeration of the french stereotype, so I'd rather say it's mocking
@@stefvnbrssl8601 The accent is definitely not exaggerated, I've been to france. It's slightly different but he's not french so he's allowed space for derivation.
The only problem is there aren't many" in between the scenes " on UA-cam, that's the problem
I was expecting Trevor to tweet again tonight but too bad we missed this time.
They’re French citizens of African descent. Done and done.
They're also citizens of their various African countries
@@victorgodwin4458 For all of them but two, no. 21 out of 23 team members were born and trained in France. Even the players say they are and feel French. So France did win the world cup, not any country of Africa.
@The505Guys hey, most of them aren't African at all and I'm curious what you see when you think of a French person. French is a nationality, not a color.
@The505Guys "French ethnic group" There is no french ethnic group ... You are trying to read france with ur american glasses and it doesn't work sorry.
@The505Guys Sorry but i repeat myself there is no french ethnicity.
"The modern French are the descendants of mixtures including Romans, Celts, Iberians, Ligurians and Greeks in southern France, Germanic peoples arriving at the end of the Roman Empire such as the Franks and the Burgundians, and some Vikings who mixed with the Normans and settled mostly in Normandy in the 9th century."
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people#Nationality,_citizenship,_ethnicity
"Thirdly, sub-Saharan Africans with French passports are not and will never be French" Yes, they are sorry if u have such racist views..
Being French and African i can firmly assert that no lie was detected . The accuracy is crazy from start to finish and I love how articulate he is! Keep it up Trevor 🙌🏾
@ML8593wy stfu white warrior. France committed horrible atrocities in Africa and they have to apologise by helping the Africans live a better life.
@@shafinhanif8802 and africans sold there own people to USA. And lets not forget that Egipt had the most slaves in the world
But still nowhere close to the arabic slavery and slaughter
Who else read this(or tried to) in a French accent?
Though I think Trevor is right in the end, I can see where the strong French response was coming from. Right wing, anti-immigration nationalism is on the rise in Europe and their supporters were using the same lines and memes durint the world cup. Trevor is right that it's different when he says it, but I can see why the rather liberal French establishment's first reaction was to reject the kind of lines they are used to from the xenophobic European far right.
You can't be both french and african, you're either french or african.
"France does not refer to its citizens based on their religion" that didnt age well.
😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
what ?
@@alex_vrla they forbid women from wearing headscarfs
Exactly. The hypocrisy of France.
It's called secularism
No words! He perfectly summarised and explained the issue in the best way possible 🤐🙇🌟👏 enlightened guy to the roots
yeah cause making fun of the French accent was so enlightened....He has no idea what he is talking about. And I'm a Frenchman of mixed background....France had black members of parliament in the 18th century!
@@croulantroulant3082 take it easy French making jokes of the African accent all the time learn to not be racist and respect the others colonialism time is over
so you want respect....and call me racist? when was I racist? Let me remind you arab countries colonized too, so maybe study your own history. Also I just said I'm not white and "ethnic french". So maybe you learn to read?
@@croulantroulant3082 first of all, I'm not calling you racist my words were to the racist french government secondly, I'm not an arab btw but it would be an honor to be one and please remind me which country arabs colonized because I think you don't even know the meaning of colonisation it's started about year 1500 following the European discoveries so remind me please and finally, for defining yourself as ethnic french well the french government has other opinion on this you either 100 percent french or leave to your mama and papa's home land
You want an exemple? Ever heard of Al-Andalus? Conquest and colonization of Spain, for 700 YEARS. Colonisation does not apply only to the Americas, where did you get that idea? Man I'm done here, educate yourself. Au revoir.
This man's intelligence is inspiring.
Trevor has exceeded my expectations.
This guy is a idiot
@@tbone020998 Fuck off
tbone020998 is that jealousy talking Mr?
Exceeding someone's expectations is a compliment. The glass must remain half full on this journey people. ☺much love!
Talk about putting things into perspective - Trevor never disappoints
1111stunna1111 Against who? He's mixed race.
He doesn't have to be against anybody in order to put something "into perspective" also despite being of mixed descent you should read up on his childhood.
Yep, that was brilliant.
REAL TALK W. EMA STAR 🎆🎆🎆😘😘😘😘
grand theft audio Some guy claimed he was a racist but apparently deleted his comment.
When you use English to describe something French you can only miss the point. Both points of view represent inclusiveness one is based on having one universal identity the other is based on having multiple identities. They are deep seated differences between both cultures and languages. However, these differences enable us to learn about ourselves and others as being human.
it’s just a misunderstanding - France is trying to validate the players as French and Trevor is trying to celebrate the players’ roots. Neither side is wrong! Both ideas should go hand in hand for a better world
In my opinion they’re both wrong. Noah was clearly hoping for such a response, he was egging them on and knew the answer would be so.
Ambassador is also wrong for taking the bait and getting so noticeably offended
I don't think so. Many of the players emphasized that they feel "French" in interviews after the win.
It's really weird that Trevor ascribes them a identity ("African") because of the color of their skin and there parent's heritage, that they not even subscribe to themselves.
Where is the difference to right-wing-idiots saying: "Your black, so you're not French, but African!"?
@@finnibat and that’s fine, if the players want to be only identified as French. But if they’d like to connect with their roots and ancestries who are we to stop them? why must we put people in boxes and label them?
@@sugoiheart Ähm yes, this is exactly my argument. If they don't call themselves "african", not even when explicitly asked in interviews, who are you, who is Trevor, to assign them this label?
The French side is wrong bc if the same African players did something wrong they would call them African instead of French
" I'm not trying to be an asshole but I think that its more a reflection of france's colonialism", Damn this guy is a real adult. Great words Mr Noah. Saludos desde sur America.
No, that was gross and ignorant from him.
The idea that there is a lot of europeans of non european descent because of colonialism is completely wrong.
Germany didn’t colonize Turkey, but they have millions of turks. Netherlands didn’t colonize Morocco, but they have millions of moroccans.
No, it’s much more because of a shortage of workers in Western Europe in the 70s/80s, the easiness of getting citizenship, and the laws allowing workers to bring in their wives and families.
Plus there is nothing wrong about colonialism, history is made of conquests.
@@59DGO59
That makes me cringe
yeah there is nothing intresequaly wrong with colonialisum
however in most cases there has been a point where it went wrong
Adrien Roy Yes I agree
Like atrocities in the state of Congo and herero genocide
@@59DGO59 Sony Ber Wooow no, love how you could only mention the turks and moroccan who where "temporary" cheap labour replacement (and "millions of Moroccans" is a stretch) + there is a LOT wrong about people being oppressed.
@@59DGO59 Moroccans barely numberr 2% of netherlands population. Dont be so ignorant and back your statement with facts
The thing is, France won in 1998 the World Cup too and then a famous racist politician in France said France didn’t win, that he didn’t see any French players in the team and that he couldn’t recognize his country in that team. It was a huge deal back then, as those players were born and raised in France and it was a disgrace someone would imply they re not French, every Frenchman felt like he had to show his support to the team being French. Now Trevor made the same remark, years later, funnily enough from the opposite side... I’m just giving background info on why France reacted, they had too... you can’t only react when it’s a racist who says it, but not when someone else says it.
You're perfectly right. Also, Trevor say exactly the same thing that the letter : you can be both and have an "administrative nationality", wich is obviously french and not african for those players (if not they wouldn't be allowed by the fifa to play in the french team), and a "roots nationality", wich mean a lot things (cities, countries, langages). But yeah, it feel strange to hear an american teaching "racial lesson" with a moking accent and then say "you people are so pretentious"... 🙄
@@TheLugdunum69 Trevor is South African.
@@darrynllee well... that's not so much better on those questions, don't you think ?
@CORONA IS BUSINESS French people are people from France. It’s got nothing to do with skin colour.
@@nikiarr8104 Yeah, to put this in context, what he said was already said by right wings extremists bigots here in France... Something like : "This team isn't French", "they don't look French", ""african team,"i support germany, at least they are white", etc... What Trevor said may have sounded normal for americans or south africans, but sounded racist to me. For example, as a french, i find the idea a "black college" VERY racist, and i couldn't imagine that in France. Helping people because they are poor is normal, helping them because of their race seems wrong to me. Just giving you an idea of how most French people are thinking. :-)
What Trevor misses is France has a different concept of secularism to much of the Western world. That needs to be taken into account.
Yeah national identity before racial or ethnic identity and it,s better then being placed in to categories like americans.
@@ryanhuntrajput474 yet allows dual nationality
@@ryanhuntrajput474 it's a LIES! Your national identity is places before ethnic or racial OFFICIALLY. In reality regular everyday French people do not percieve you as French if you speak with a foreign accent, being born out of France or not White.
France has very similar concepts of economic colonialism though!
As a black French woman i confirm!!! France has a problem with the plurality of identity within the French identity! You've summed it up and articulated it perfectly
Immigrants everywhere unite 😭💗
Even if plurality is welcomed, it still doesn't justify saying that some other country won the world cup just because some of the players originated from there. And frankly, Trevor knew exactly what he was saying when he said what he said. He knew French people would not like it, but he said it anyway.
Karthik Ongole thank you !
He says why can't they be both ? Nobody will deny their origins, and I understand the ambassdor saying trevor is denying their frenchness. Trevor knows exactly what he's doings, and I hate him for that. You can feel the audience ready to jump at exactly what they're criticizing about the french people just when he reads "unlike the united states..."
its pathetic and completely useless
@@alexandrevrla9675 Yes! "Unlike in the US" part was totally useless but it is the response of the French ambassador! So i don't get your point😅
My girlfriend is French and believe me I've learnt that you are not allowed to make fun of the French 😂😂😂
Gfkphh hi hi👄
But France is the gift that keeps on giving. ( lived there for 7 years)
Then propose to her and when she says yes, say I WAS JOKING. 🤣🤣🤣
You are sûre she is not swiss ? French except vanessa paradis do not date english speakers including americans .
Eh, because they surrender so fast you wouldn't have enough time to tell the joke?
As a French, I wasn't offended by the original joke, because that's the point : it was a joke. It wasn't funny because it's a running gag everyone already knows about and the speech was pretty lame to be honest, but it was still a joke. I took it as such since it was stated by a comedian on a satirical talk-show (context, like Trevor says). Also, it's well known the French have much trouble laughing about themselves. We're great to tease others but we don't like being teased, especially on the question of race which is a rather big deal here: the word "race" itself is racist, when in America, everything revolves around this idea. It's just two cultures who had a misunderstanding, I didn't see anything more to it.
Now, I'm still glad Trevor came back on it and explained himself. I believe the duality and nuance he's speaking of here (players being both French and of African descent) is what was missing in his original joke, so it's good that he made it clear this time. What people have to understand is that the USA and France were built upon two opposite principles. America was built upon the idea that individual freedom should prevail, but in France, society is everything. You're part of a social group that identities itself as French before you're an individual with different origins. This is why it's easier in the US for people to claim their descent: African American is an expression that doesn't shock most people, but in France, if you call someone an African French, there's a good chance you're a supporter of the alt-right party, because only them uses this argument. But don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine to talk about someone's origin or background in France. I am of Armenian descent, people get curious, they ask questions, they want to know who in my family was born in Armenia, when and why they came to France, etc. It's all good and fun unless I suddenly identify myself as Armenian, or even Armenian French. Then they'd ask why, because it wouldn't make sense to them. Suddenly I would be distancing myself from the social group and you shouldn't do that in France.
This is who we are, culturally speaking, this is the value we share. If you're French, you must identify yourself as such. It's ok to talk about origins, it's ok to say you love your country of origin. It's just no quite ok to say you feel less French because of it.
So when an anglosaxon points the finger at our national team for being composed by players of African descent, and when this aspect is what he highlights instead of their "Frenchness", we fly off the handle a little. I think people don't have to reach common ground, but it would be nice if both countries could open their minds and understand that what's wrong to them isn't necessarily wrong to someone else, and that this is ok...
Cheers from France!
melanielandon96 That’s the best comment I’ve read so far. I really think you wrote with a clear mind.
Tres beau discour !
Spot on commentary about how the French love a satire over anyone except themselves, I had this exact same thought when I went to France. Plus you're correct with the race thing, USA focus a lot in race in their speeches, there's always something separating them from being one nation. France has its racists but for you guys it's more important to identify yourselves as a country than as sub-groups withing the country, and that's pretty awesome in my opinion.
melanielandon96 Such a clear and well-spoken, benign explanation. Thank you very much for sharing it. It does help me understand much better.
You should have the Ambassador's job.
"why can't they be both?"
I felt that. I'm a Namibian of German descent (my mother comes from a German Jewish trading family that left for Namibia about a 120 years ago and my dad comes from West-Berlin) and in my teenage years, I struggled a bit with my national identity, since I also have a German passport. Later, I came to realise that you're not one or the other, you are both. Also, I came to realise that national identities are not shared, so you're not only half German and half Namibian but you're a full German and a full Namibian.
Also, to the thing about their french-africaness: When I lived in France and told them I came from Namibia (they were first like where? And then I said it's next to SA then it went ohhh, but that aside) there was always some confusion like: then why are you not black? When that came on, I just decided that I wanted nothing to do with ignorant people like that. These are probably also the people that think that Europeans are only white or that you have to look like an European to come from Europe. So, it kinda goes both ways with people from African and European descent.
No, it doesn't. There is a huge "colonialism - different" . Especially white ppl in Namibia or SA should know this. Pls dt fool urself.
@@ahossi3837 sorry, but I don't have anything to do anymore with the colonisers. Despite what you may think, being African is part of my identity, regardless of my heritage. I was born and raised in Namibia and don't really have much to do with German culture anymore. Sure, I speak German and I think a part of me will always be German, but I don't know and love Germany the way I know and love Namibia. Identity cannot only be reduced to genetics and origin, it is also a formed identity, and I identify as Namibian AND German.
@@helene8854 u wrote u dt have to do anything with the colonizer "anymore" (?) this alone say a lot...
Ur heritage is social spoken (not just genetically) a white heritage, ur family had the privilege to move from Europe to Africa in an epoch full of bloody colonialism and genozides. And I m pretty sure ur family never ever served any Black family whatsoever. (rather the other way around?) who gave white ppl land etc after arriving in Namibia or SA? (rethorical question)
I mean I know what u r talking about and I do understand ur feelings as an individual person. But those feelings r based on ur expierences as a white person socialized in a bloody german colony.
But maybe ur family belonged at least to movements of resistance against the German colonizers and killers.
@@helene8854 and actually almost all white descendents in ALL colonized territories say simultaneously: "We have such a beautiful country and we love this country" .
They say it way more and with deeper passion then white Europeans. I believe they feel the need and urge to convince others and themself that it's really "their" country. Regardless the indigenous people and their cost who where mostly seen and used as servant and or slaves in their own country!!
@@ahossi3837 It was supposed to mean that I am not a coloniser, and that my generation has nothing in common anymore with the generation of colonisers. That era has long since passed.
I had to rewatch this after the World Cup.
This time Europe won vs Africa
@@muslimcel4581 what are you talking about Argentina(America) wons a 90% African team hh
@@MED96147 and most of argentina squad is european
@@MED96147 you are mentally ill its France
@@MED96147 Vargentina is most from spain and Italy
Seriously I need this guy to run for some type of office.
He has more direct influence doing this. And more control of his content, imo.
Michael Ross I agree
I agree
Very smart indeed
@Michelle Goodrow of which country?
Comedians are some of the most intelligent people alive, Trevor is way too intelligent too.
Dr Squats
So africa won nba ?
Well that is because a good sense of humour shows high intelligence, it takes a lot of brains to make good jokes.
@@dentuborg1 Yes, even if you ask players they will tell you that we are African Americans
They are jesters
People with Jester personalities are deep af
Lmao
This man is very intelligent. I like the way he handled that criticism.
You're easily pleased ...
@@Unborn-Stillborn So you've tried?
@@BaSsGaZ would help if you made sense or even finished one sentence.
Man, I wish had Trevor's ability to convey an idea so eloquently. I really admire people who posses that skill.
Said quite eloquently
Linford Christie a famous sprinter famously said: When I win I'm Britishm when I lost I'm Jamaican!
It's that same for us Irish. When we win or achieve something, they call us British, tho we're not. When we fail or get in the way, we're paddys.
Well said
lukaku said the same "when i perform well or win something i am from Belgium but when i loose i am a Belgium man with African roots" its sad but true
Who are these 'they'? I personally don't change my mind on any of these black players, boxers etc. AJ is a british boxer. He recently lost. He is still the best British heavyweight. Prince Naseem was just a muslim. When we won, I didn't accept him, when he lost it was still the same.
@@BigManJay69 And what is your criteria for accepting someone Big Man, enlighten us
So africa won nba ?
Lmfaoo now you see why this is wrong
Dr Squats i think 🤔
Dr Squats i'm jocking 😋
Yes you could make that joke.
Ze Be Did European-Americans win the NHL then....?
ua-cam.com/video/LEhACMnttJ8/v-deo.html
Trevor's joke would be considered racism in France. The ambassador was only defending them and in no way denying their possible dual citizenship or immigrant background. He actually even mentioned their background.
As a random french dude, I find this topic really interesting. I cannot totally side next to Trevor Noah, but I think I understand his point of view. It's interesting.
He is looking at it from an American/British lens of what ''race'' is. To French (and Spain/Portugal) & their ex-colonies, the concept of ''race'' is seen as a construct. Funny, the Anglophone world are obsessed with race.
@@vicnad92 "races" seems to be so important in usa :/ everyday
@@helo2729 Same with the UK and all of the British ex-colonies.
Which part of his argument do you disagree with?
@@preciousmoletsane8845 Are you asking this to me ? ^^
Yeah you understood the situation very Well. I'm born in France, grew up there, north african origins... "in order to be french you have To erase everything that is african "..exactly, for some people you have to choose l. And by the way, the hypocrite ambassador said "we don't judge them by races " lol ..but if they were not football players who won the cup but some criminal people they will be the first to expose there origins... Hypocrisy. Sorry for my English btw.
It's not necessarily racism in the original sense, it's differentism. France eradicated regional languages like Breton, and giving your kid a regional name can still be a pain. Other Europeans countries are more open to diversity even within their borders.
No we are not talking about the same thing.
jay dee How so?
Yea, being a North African myself I can assure you that in order to be French you need not only to cut off your African roots and throw’em in the garbage can, but you need to offer to the country what the average high-born French cannot offer.
You’ll get to live as a French, but in their eyes you remain African.
Nonetheless, the French people are so nice it is some times overwhelming and of course you’ll run into a racist every now and then, but thus far they only represent the minority.
jay dee I'm a French white man and you are right, the big flaw of the French system is like you said: magically, french identity erases everything and we are all equal. Except, in every day life, people are still discriminated for their origins. That's because the system is ideological (jacobinism) and not pragmatical.
But aren't you like me, when you hear someone says: "It's not France who won, it's Africa", it doesn't sound right: as a Frenchman, I only hear far-right, racist cunts say it. It's a matter of culture: in USA, people are proud to say they are "African-American", in France it sounds discriminatory if someone would say: "he's a Maghrebin-French". What do you think?
They’re not African they’re French.
Why can’t they be both??
That hurts, having to give up your heritage feels like ereasing part of your identity.
French ambassador said “roots are an individual reality”, you and Trevor apparently don’t understand English ? You can be both but it is a personal feeling, French black people may feel African and French, they may also feel only French, or they may feel French and Nigerian but not African. Trevor is saying they are black so they are African, French ambassador just reply NO you cannot say that because they may not feel that way. Being black DO NOT make you African. Having the French nationality make you French not your color.
@@ameliemelo92 Wait, what is your argument?
Cause it seems that you're merging both points in this conversation. The ambassador was (and I'm paraphrasing here correctly, I hope): "hey, please don't say they're african because we don't want to feed nazis with faulty arguments, so we're saying the team is fully french".
And Trevor was like: "No, you should accept them as french and african, you have to empower everyting that they are, everything that forms part of them"
At least that is how I understood their points.
Abraham martinez perez wrong, Trevor mention the nazis, the ambassador did not talk about them at all
I agree, it does feel like ripping myself apart 'cuz I'm of mixed heritage but I have to conform to only one and disregard the other which is unfair.
ChocoHolix what does feel like that ? Can you please explain? Because the French ambassador did not say that in any way in his letter. So feel that way if you want but you cannot blame the ambassador for that
I love his thoughtfulness so much!
This feels so weird to me, honestly maybe it's a case of cultural divide between America and the rest of the world. You guys have such an easy time grouping people together based on skin color rather than nationality or cultural heritage, it makes no sense to me. I know Trevor obviously didn't mean anything bad with this comment but it just feels weird to me, and probably to a lot of Europeans based on the reaction.
To me, saying "Africa won the World Cup" is as weird as like Spain winning and going "Europe won the World Cup". In my mind, Spaniards are Spaniards, Italians are Italians and Frenchmen are Frenchmen. Grouping together based on continent is just crazy to me, outside of neighbouring countries I don't think I have anything more in common with another European person than I do any other person in the world.
Also, for a lot of people it's not that they want to erase the fact that their family is from another part of the world, it's simply that they have no cultural connection to that continent/country so applying a label to them is unnecessary.
Sure
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Well for one the Africans on the French team don’t come from one country in Africa! 2. Wasn’t European who grouped people based on color? I know I’m reminded by their every day racism that I’m black, so 🤷🏿♀️
@@qn7403 no actually its not the same in France as it is in the us , People came much later from africa and a lot of them know which country they come from, if you listen to a french with african descent he may say his family is from congo or from morocco... he will never say from africa
@@qn7403 also they decided to come willingly usually for economic reasons so it s different from the us
@@qn7403 They don't, most likely they'd identify as Senegalese or whichever country they or their parents were from originally, rather than just straight up "African", if they don't just identify as French.
Also yes, the entire concept of racial groups is a European invention but I'm not so much talking about things like Caucasian or blanket ethnic groupings, but more like an ethnic identity. I understand why this differs from descendants of slaves in America, most African-Americans today probably couldn't even find out which part of Africa their ancestors were from. When they came to America as slaves, they were often forced to give up their religion, culture and even their own names, their entire cultural heritage was more or less wiped out.
This is very different from former French colonies. While colonization is without a doubt rooted in exploitation and robbing countries of their natural resources, @geronimo0o92 is right that many African descendants in France today come from people who immigrated there willingly. Often well off citizens in French colonies had the opportunity to move to France and at that time, France did not have the same apartheid system that the US did at the same time. Racism obviously exists in France too and I'm sure French people of African descent have a wildly different experience than "white" French people, but essentially the historical bagage is completely different.
Why is it that in the united states, white Americans aren't referred to as European Americans but all other Americans are put in a group?..why do they get to be just Americans and others have to be African Americans, Asian Americans, Latin Americans, Arab Americans.. I never understood that concept...I feel like its a subtle way of discrimination and a way for white Americans to fulfill their sense of entitlement.. Even natives aren't just Americans.. They are put in a box too..🙍🙍
Very good point. It becomes funny if you try to include all of a person's background in the first section of the hyphenation. That makes me an "English Irish German Norman French Polish - American" Hmm. Better just stick to "European - American." And I agree that if we're going to hyphenate anyone's identity, we should do so for everyone.
Many white people do call themselves by their national origin, especially if their family recently migrated to the United States. If you are in Chicago, many people refer to themselves as Polish-American. If you are in Jersey, many people refer to themselves as Italian-American. If you are in Boston, many people refer to themselves as Irish-American. In all honesty, the individual giving himself/herself the label is the only one that can say who they truly are and how they want to be identified.
I think to Trevor's point, people have the option to be both in the US. This is not the same case in France.
because wasicun gotta feel like they're the best folk in the universe, and heaven help you if you make them feel otherwise
True. I feel like the US constently refering to people as different ethnic background is very detrimental for the non-white citizen. There are enough discrimination for the states to add one more. French authorities are right not taking into consideration ethnicities. You can't have an equal society when you reduce people to their origin.
Its because whites fought for that place and won it.....
They are literally letting you live there giving you the same amount of respect and rights as they have and I think that's commendable
You should respect that
“So... what had happened was!”
That’s how you know this story is going to be good!!
No how you know it's good is if its Trevor saying the story
The world will surely miss your insight Trevor
Why?
Is Macghon going to assassinate him?
Nah
Trevor Noah is a clown!
People still remember Stewart. This guy will be forgotten in 3 years.
@@TheMrPeteChannel
Racist
The best explanation ever. Thank you, Trevor!
❤️from Austria 🇦🇹
That ambassador has a lot of time on his hands.
Been talking to too many amerikkkans!
Callie Masters a lot of VERY FRENCH time though, nothing else :P
Callie Masters the current administration isn't really down with international diplomacy... you can either hang with congressman, empty champagne bottles in the toilet of Trump Hotels DC to crank up the highest possible bill or write editorial critics to people you're certain can concentrate long enough to read a page or two.
But i like how the ambassador still had time for it. As i feel like it is an issue worth discussing. Maybe not on a talk show but yknow.. context Cx
All Ambassadors do. Except the Chinese ones, they are too busy policing Chinese students abroad.
As a son of an immigrant family living in germany, i can say that trevor is speaking from my heart. i don't get why i have to choose one side when i am perfectly happy being on both.
Karl Ificator ... sadly we are still hardwired to tribalism. I am certain we will overcome that one day, but for now most people still need those dividing lines to function. For me ... I am German, I have a German father and a Polish mother, yet the only thing I feel is being human, I dont care for either nationality, and I am quite confident one day most people will feel alike and we can finally do away with nations and borders and be united as humans.
Karl Ificator but France is different ...Germany is not France....Afro culture is all around TV... street...school... FRANCE is different...
Karl Ificator I'm French so I really don't know, but are you actually forbidden to express whatever identity you want to express ? Or are you just whining that other people aren't forced to go out of their way to make you comfortable ?
Karl Ificator sprechen sie deutsch???
Jean Roch i totally agree. you're french and you really don't know.
6:53 "We live in a world, where nuance is something that is in short supply." What a beautiful sentence
This guy although saying simple things has a stroke of a genius! The way he delivers complicated subjects in such a comprehensive and relatable manner is just inspiring!
Trevor is a genius. He is extremely eloquent at conveying ideas as well as being witty
Seeing as you're a female, I'm not shocked you need things dumbed down for you
Point taken, Trevor. but do remember to congratulate Africa for winning all these Olympic medals for the USA
Also valid though I personally felt he addressed your point as well. Especially 4:12 and on.
DealBreakerz Of course freedom goes everywhere except to USA
BURN!!! THAT SHOULD BE A TOP COMMENT!
@@Ainokea2 never heard anyone in the US say thank you Africa for our athletes.. I think that would be scandal... I'm curious to see what concervatives has to say about that
African Americans are always celebrating their blackness and pointing out their black sport,science and entertainment heros
On a much less serious note this reminds me of the jokes we have in the UK about Andy Murray the Scottish tennis player. When he loses he’s the Scottish tennis player when he wins he’s the British tennis player.
Andy likes to be Scottish, he even backed the Scottish referendum.
He's not a tennis player from any country anymore
@@Shankar-Bhaskar Yet he happily carried the British flag into the London Olympics stadium and took British sports money. Which I support, obviously. 🇬🇧
he had a good run🙏🏼
Being a person of color is bigger issue than that ,and it's not comparable
This is a masterpiece.
U nailed it .
Every world cup we remember this episode..
Europe vs Africa in worldcup
2018=Africa won😁
2022=Europe won😁
@@muslimcel4581
Argentina is in Europe?
Thought it was South America no?
@@Seopymajority players have european descent. therefore, europe won
@@mint8648 Argentina= Little Italy.
@@vijaydanushkodi4980 thats right italy actually won 5 world cups and africa won 1
They're Africans and proud to be AFRICANS, with French citizenships.
Scottish athletes are always referred to as British when they win and Scottish when they don't win ! Been going on for ever !
I live in Korea and many Scotts and Welsh are so angry because there isn't a name for each country(except during Football), so they call them all Brittish and don't know what Scotland and Wales is.
@@pijafinocchio they can just say theyre from scotland or wales rather than just saying 영국(the UK)
@@lemontea9735 The problem is people don't know where that is...there is a TV show where foreigners come to Korea to visit and there were some welsh people last time and they wrote 처음이지 영국 and someone must've complained because after a few episodes they changed U.K. to Wales lol
@@pijafinocchio shame but technically wales is a part of the UK just not that specific of a word
@@lemontea9735 but people from wales like to be called welsh.
They did to Zidane as well... As soon as he head butted the racist Italian in world cup final, he became an Algerian.
Hahaha totally agree before that he was the amazing French player, suddenly after that accident he became Algerian 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@amalbentaleb7608 absolutely not
Avinash Kumar exactly. They even made a status to "celebrate" him and it was reflecting that incident. He got so mad as he should !
n'importe quoi, l'affaire du coup de boule lui a fait gagner en popularité en France
Apart from the fact that this event made him gain sympathy and support and he remained one of the most popular people in the country... I mean WTF ? We were collectively madder at Trézéguet and Materazzi than anyone ever was at Zidane.
Off-field, Zidane has a quiet, reserved personality, but he's always been known to be impulsive and hot-tempered whenever a game has high stakes, and he's got quite a record when it comes to being excluded because of angry moves like the infamous Coup de boule (which was NOT his first headbutt in an international competition).
But he's not unreasonable, and he's a beloved figure known for his generosity and his dedication to the game, so people assumed Materazzi had gone over the line and there was a nationwide "quest for the truth", with every possible media outlet trying to figure out what Materazzi had said to make the introverted Zidane snap.
After it had been found out what Materazzi had said, Zidane was ever more relatable (it was amazing, like a total redemption, it felt like people would have given him martyr status for having been insulted), and Materazzi was Public Enemy #1.
There was even a mega summer hit entitled "Coup de boule" ("Headbutt"), and youngsters danced to it all year. That doesn't strike me as the nationwide rejection you seem to imply.
I don't know what meme or hashtag you guys saw online, but it was definitely not reflective of the way Zidane was perceived in the country.
In 2018, he's still ranking #6 in the "most beloved celebrity in France" list, of which he's been #1 for six years, and always in the top 10 in the last 15 years...
fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnalit%C3%A9_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9e_des_Fran%C3%A7ais
Sooo essentially he made a racist joke/comment, the Ambassador defended the players speaking proudly of how everyone is French regardless of skin color, and he gets mocked for it in a racist accent. Very progressive this show.
Yeah I like Trevor but this time around he should have taken the time when he received that letter to check/Assert the situation instead of taking time to find a way to play it smart.
Anyone who followed the news about the whole "African team" stuff would know that Trevor is wrong. The thing is, it's football, it's on another continent, so 99,9% of americans didn't follow and were convinced by Trevor's words.
Africa scored 1st goal for France 🇫🇷 against England 🇬🇧 in the 2022 quarter-finals.😊
This dude is a Genius. I live in France and I'm african as well... I see no lie
sorry not sorry dis moi en quoi il a raison?
@@bobbech6180 tout
sorry not sorry Donc pour toi ce sont des afriquains pour la plupart qui ont gagné?
Quand notre ambassadeur dit que ça reflete la diversité de la France, lui parle d’un reflet du colonialisme? T’es d’accord la aussi?
Quand il se met à parler chinois à la fin aussi? « Je comprends ce que dit l’ambassadeur blabla notre alt-right utilise les mêmes arguments que les miens blabla context is every things blabla »
sorry not sorry « And if french people saying that can not be both, I think they have a problem, not me » il est au courant que ça existe la double nationalité en France?
C’est juste un gros retournement de veste, le gars a voulu vanner en disant « Africa won the world cup Africa won the world cup », « regardez ces gars la, c’est pas avec le soleil du sud de la France qu’ils ont eu ces couleurs la » puis il finit par dire « pk ils peuvent pas être les deux français/afriquains » à aucun moment il dit que ce sont des français la première fois 🤔
so you are not french
I’m french and trevor can’t be so true when he’s saying everything he said. When it’s a crime, on tv they say french and his origine is from marocco or congo etc etc.... but when they do good things as the world cup, it’s only french....
Thats so hypocrism from their part (government) and it’s a shame
mibwill1 arrête ta victimisation
@@EzolyHD Arrête d'être ignorant.
J'imagine que tu es un français issu de l'immigration car tu dis la vérité (ou du moins, tu la vois la vérité).
Joel Kotto chaque pays fait ça pas que la France
Si t’es pas content du traitement de la France à ton égard tu dégages et n’oublie pas que le RSA c’est pas partout en Europe mais en France uniquement
@@EzolyHD Je ne suis pas français, je suis un étudiant étranger en France et je vis grâce à l'argent que mes parents m'envoient. Donc, mets ton RSA dans tes fesses car il ne m'a jamais nourri, de près ou de loin.
One thing I like about the U.S. is parades. In San Francisco (and other places in California) St. Patrick's day parades (for example) have Irish dancers and music, Chinese Lion dancers, Mexican folklorico dancers, etc. Etc because that's where the fun is.
Trevor’s authenticity is refreshing!
"I don't take their frenchness away from them" Except that's exactly what he, Trevor Novah did. Even if it was a joke that was just what he did. He was saying that it wasn't a french victory, it was an african victory, like.... how can that be interpreted any other way? This gives off a very "holier than thou"-vibe. Something that is lacking a a lot is any sort of credit to the french ambassador for standing up for his people. And if you should be able to say the n-word than anyone should be able to, otherwise we're just differentiating people based on their skin. again.
They are a team of French Africans. Why is this such a hard concept for French people? The point he makes is that the forcefulness of making them 'French' in fact robs them of their heritage and origins, which less we forget is steeped in Colonialism. The reason the joke is funny is BECAUSE it is a given they are French, and ironically African, when they are a minority representing the majority. Again not a hard concept.
HE SAID THAT AFRICA WON AS A JOKE HE WAS JUST DEFENDING HIMSELF SAYING THEY CAN BE BOTH AND CAN IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, HE WASNT DEFENDING THE POINT THAT AFRICA WON, THAT WAS A JOKE.
Tithe Proven Lmao have you ever seen even one video of the french team behind the scenes? They've never ever hidden their african roots and nobody asked them to. You can be french and african, but it's not because you're african that you have to forget you're french as well. That's just basic etiquette for french people.
And this Noah dude did exactly the contrary, he dismissed the FRENCHNESS in the French players to basically reduce their identity as African people only, he downplayed the achievement of a french team.
Trevor identified them a French Africans. (I already explained that when I explained the joke that seems to fly over French peoples heads...that it is a given that they are French etc. etc....There is also a level to the joke b/c Trevor the Black guy FROM Africa is the one saying makes also ironic) The are both, b/c that is what they should be able to be if they want. To me it comes across as France being super defensive not out of respect or defense of the players. But more about their Ego in winning a FRENCH world cup. To me it comes across at trying to white wash the culture and history of the players.
It is worth pointing out that many "people of African origin" are often washed of WHERE in Africa they come from b/c long histories colonialism. While not the whole case with this particular team as they can and DO have the ability to know just what country in Africa they are from; It does not negate the fact that for those who can't they are a representative of the whole. Trevor even goes specifically into this by say the whole of Africa rejoiced are the French victory b/c to them it was as if they also won. African culture as a whole continent is very much a thing. Large in part due to the continent as a whole being raped by mostly European nations. The problem with being so insistent that they are French first is that is just comes across as France trying really hard to not have to admit that these men ALSO have Origins outside France and those Origins involves the French being historical monsters. America knows we where monsters when we where slave traders; Europe always comes across like they wish to sweep it under the rug.
You have the wrong point of view here. It's the point of view of an outsider. You should be warry of one thing: racism in the USA isn't of the same nature than racism in European white countries.
Listen, don't trust your Noah dude on this one because he views French society in a completly wrong manner.
I have both nationalities : French and Algerian. My country did a genocide in my country.
I can never forget this, and I can never forget the culture I have that comes from my Algerian roots.
BUT Seeing me as an Algerian BEFORE being French basically means to me that I'm less French than white french who have been living here from hundreds of years ago: I'm as french as them and it is not the right of my co-citizens to dismiss/downplay the work/achievements I do in France, for France JUST because I'm Algerian.
That's where we come from by saying Mr. Noah popularized and used a joke with an argument used by far-right movements, Nazis and racist people in France: those person don't see the french in me, they only see the African me. I'm not french to them, I'm African, and I'll never ever be french. And then they tell us "Go back to your country!"
Trevor said "Congrats Africa... don't tell me they're French? That's impossible!" blablabla : he only saw the African in them, just like how the racists here do.
That's why when we have a successful multicultural team like the one we currently have, we strongly want to make the point that "They're french!" to show them racists that skin colour doesn't matter when we hit it big for France. That multiculturalism is a good thing for France. That even if they're black and of African descent, nobody now can tell them they're not french, because they did the biggest deed they could.
If we claim them as french SO MUCH it's because we need successful POCs like them as examples of integration, so french POC won't need to prove their frenchness forever.
France as a nation is working hard against racism and inclusion. And people like Mr. Noah should respect that and our ambassador for standing up for us, french POC.
"If he dropped the baby: 'The African dropped the baby.''"
That line 😊
Lol
So true
Yeah frenchs are so jealous about the sucess of migrants
😂😂😂😂
See Trevor, you got it right _after_ you explained that, by saying they are African, you were referring to their _origins_ , *not* their nationalities.
But before you explained your loose usage of terms, you were semantically wrong. Indeed, when you throw away the archaic, discriminating concept of race (and the French Constitution does just that), you can only say that someone is African because they are a national of an African country. If they do not hold a citizenship in at least one African country, they are not African as per this definition.
Yes, in France the only people who claim that the football team that's won the World Cup is 'African', are the racists. They actually say *word for word* what you said: "Africa won the World Cup." - Which BTW is twice racist as only a *country* can win the World Cup, and assimilating again the diverse continent that is Africa to one single country really gets old, even in a joke, and it has the side-effect of comforting ignorant people in their cognitive biases. Sure, ignorant people are not your audience base, I give you that. But still; considering the appalling knowledge of the average U.S. citizen in geography, you should be more careful with your choice of words.
Let me be clear: not recognizing 'race' as an official concept (that favors racism and communautarianism as we've all seen it recently with the U.S. police's racist behaviors for instance) is not the same as denying people's origins, neither their right to express them. Hence, people can definitely be of *African **_descent_* (like you clearly stated... _eventually_ ) and sing and tattoo it all over if they want, no one denies it; but in the eyes of the Law, any citizen is simply French, without any (official) discrimination. This system, while far from flawless, is still the best any State has found so far to genuinely integrate new people as equals, and brothers.
Huh, I know some Muslims who would disagree
@@redx12ae33 I know many who don't. And fortunately, most Muslims in France don't.
If you're referring to the caricatures of Mahomet and what has followed, my very opinion is that these drawings were somewhat stupid; it didn't say anything constructive, it was just attacking religions without any argument. Regardless, it shouldn't have been a big deal, it was just a satirical paper.
I don't know if you're American but if so, remember how it was for Muslims in your country late 2001... And a bit later, for people named "Sadaam".
Such idiot behaviors have no ground in France, because people are more used to live with each other, to _know_ each other, and to mingle.
The French assimilative model has shown to limit people's extreme behaviors; actually the extreme acts of violence are perpetrated by people living in communities (like they would do in the Anglo-Saxon model), people who circle-feed each other with the same hate speech everyday and get utterly narrow-minded. You practically don't find white supremacists showing their ugly head in France, because whites, i.e. the ethnical majority, don't find themselves living in closed communities.
That said, it doesn't mean everything's right, far from it, and racism is a big, disgusting problem in France too. But it's a much broader problem that deals heavily with education (and that unfortunately impacts almost all places in the world).
@@EcoAku I agree with you, the cartoons were quite pathetic and that We Muslims could have handled it better- though none of us support that the guy be killed for it- nevertheless, the guy was Killed.
However I have no issue with the french people, Only your government and it's policies, especially Macron.
Though it isn't anything new, We're quite used to this sort of attitude from people.
It was a joke! Which didn't sit well with some people as he said. He explains because he sees that some people didn't understand it. But some people did
I'm confused. His joke was that France didn't win the world cup, Africa did. He isn't saying both won. He IS saying that the players are more so African than French, not that they're both.
That’s not what he said and meant
@@francisindinibotwey840 He said "africa won the world cup" and "they might say they're french, but you don't get this kind of tan from the south of France" he is saying that the players are more African than French. Now he can retroactively say that he he implied that they're both. But his joke didn't. And so the french ambassadors comment are valid and right. I know I would feel offended if the same thing happened to me.
The joke he said was real dumb especially when the players are as African as a iPhone is Californian
@@nikarshadsulaiman9614 technically ur being dumb . because he explained it . if ur iPhone breaks down , ur gonna probably call it Chinese or Californian since parts of the phone is made there ... same point lol
@@francisindinibotwey840 you don’t understand my analogy do you
Here in Norway, if you're a successful, famous person, Norwegians will refer to you as Norwegian. EVEN if you were not born or raised in this country from the very beginning.
But if you are someone who got the spotlight by something negative, they will refer to you as Norwegian WITH ethnic background. You are telling me what I've been feeling all these years.
Don't you worry, that's exactly how it is in most european countries.
@@jackuid4474 Yeah, I guess it it.
Regardless of the level of success....how much of the opportunity to be successful is owed to the country in which that successful person resides? Let's think about that for a second and then ask yourself again if it's really that strange that the country would then also claim some of the success......
lanna intajak But they have every right to do so. They took them in, gave them opportunities and if they succeed they are of course not going to attribute that success to the country they came from.
I am a Norwegian myself and what you’re saying is just not true. How would you even say it? “Afrikansk Nordmann”? That doesn’t sound right.
Sven Eylander
Norway is the most racist country in the world.
Once again Trevor proves why he belongs in that chair. Well spoken my brother, now I'm gonna go get me some Freedom Fries.
Star Brand he literally never said anything funny. I think the rating proovd this.
He's great mind
@@MyHelpWanted Hater he's speaking facts bruh
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@MyHelpWanted I never said or implied that Trevor said anything funny. When I said that Trevor deserves to be in that chair, it was actually because of his intelligence. To be on The Daily Show requires more than just humor. You need a sharp mind, quick wit, and your finger on the pulse of the world. Yes, you are right, Trevor didn't say anything funny, because... he didn't need to.
The guy that became French by rescuing a child. You can mock the reward but it has greater monetary value as it affords the guy greater life opportunities than giving him a proxy medal.
It also creates a narrative about what it means to be French. This guy was brave and therefore he must be French. Hey what, he isn’t French. Well he is now.
I admire the ambassador for explaining Fr's postition, challenging stereotypes & opening healthy debate.
It didn't seem like he was opening any debate and more just airing his grievance with what Trevor had to say. Trevor was the one opening a debate.
Is that really what it looked like? It just seemed that France wanted to once again reflect its arrogance on the world and find a way to bring in the USA into it
@@peachcobblercake3968 trevor was being a typival right-wing racist
Btw what you define as African refers only to a part of Africa, the Sub-saharan one. What about Zidain Zidan? He was as African.... meaning of African descent because his parents were from Algeria... but how many people here would consider him African, since he's not black? Africa is a continent, a very diverse one, not a skin color.
mimmi brontola sorry but as a fan it hurts me .. it is Zinédine Zidane ahah
lol that was funny HAHA
Titouan Riot
I do apologise! My bad... I've never been very good with names. He was great anyway!
Good point
mimmi brontola ahah no problem my friend that was funny
I love trevor and watch his show almost every day. But in my opinion he tried to change the story in order to strengthen his arguments on this one. In his first comments he never said that the players were „french-africans“. He said Africans. And now that the ambassador just used the word french it‘s a problem? Come on trevor how is it different than what you did?
Thanks to see it, a french.
Really gonna miss this guy when he leaves the show... Such an intelligent and insightful person.
Thanks he left. We need more and new talented people.
But maybe looking at it from the French cultural point of view might provide a different angle. France has had a different experience than the US, by being a colonial power in a truer sense than the US has ever been. Some of its overseas territories were and still are treated as "departments" or administrative districts of the motherland, as ACTUALLY physically part of France despite being overseas. And France's extremely secular and nationalistic system takes the "melting pot" to another level, in that once becoming a citizen it is expected that all other identity be lost into the "French identity". France accepts people from all over but wants them to basically cease being whatever they were before once they become French. And France doesn't identify its citizens by race etc, it's all just French.
It's a different concept from the way the US and Americans look at ethnicity and belonging, not better or worse, just different.
I love the way you put it. I totally agree. It's also not better or worse than the way the US does it. Just different.
I agree. The world views race in an anglo-centric/germanic lens (partly due to US's huge influence in the world). In France, Spain, Portugal, no doubt there is ''visible'' differences in appearance, the racism is more ''cultural'' and their colonies did not have ''segregation policies'' unlike the Americans, British, Dutch, etc (i.e. South Africa apartheid, Jim crow, British India, etc).
@@vicnad92 you live in a white fantasy ! segregation was in france colonie like the other european country !
It's interesting you say that France basically wants your original identity to cease to exist. As a Camerooniam from the Bamileke tribe, the French carried out a genocide against my people partly because part of our resistance to French colonialism was the resistance to the french policy of "Assimilation" which essentially meant you ought to cease being African in order to become a model citizen of the French overseas territory. 'Til this day, we hate the french people for the havoc they wreaked on people who resisted this assimilation policy. You cannot "wipe off" somebody's origin because you want them to be more like you. Makes no sense. Some french parliamentarian recently wanted a law passed; a law that would stop people dancing at council halls during wedding ceremonies. This is definitely anti-American and outright racist as we, Africans, celebrate weddings with a lot of dancing. In my country, some mayors even dance with the couple as they enter the council hall to tie the knot
You must not know much about France... or the French.
Africa wins the NBA again.
dave somers - a succinct rebuttal.
don't forget the Superbowl!
Africa wins tennis Olympics
dave somers Always 😁
African American ;)
I'm french and I understand both the government and Trevor on this one. What you need to understand is that in France, we do not embrace communitarianism as well as other countries such as the US and the UK. That is why the French government reacted the way they did (that + the fact that the argument of "they are African" is always used by the racists). And, as we do not embrace communitarianism, we always refuse to identify the players by they roots. The only people that do that are the racists, that's all. You'll never hear a French speak about someone using their origin or skin color. Hence, where in the US you can refer to someone as "African American" in France you can't do that, as that would be considered rude.
stoooooopid
@@frederikhollenner3307 Actually, this refusal of communitarianism comes from the Revolutionary (as in the 1789 French Revolution) idea that we are all men are equal, whereas communitarianism is seperating citizens in different categories. Some suggest that such communitarianism could be a breeding ground for terrorists, as it's easier to radicalise someone when they feel that the group they share a religion with is being mistreated.
@@paulh.9526 If that's so then is it wrong for Trevor to say these things, isn't communitarianism somewhat inevitable because people who have similarities tend to identify themselves together just like the gay community. No matter what racists will blame your background so isn't it just better to accept your roots and understand people can be different and differences are alright?
nuance is everything. I live in the Netherlands and there are jokes and memes going around the French football team 20 years ago (all white) and now (all black). I think the reaction of the French government was a statement based on domestic issues and hoping to gain some media attention (which Trevor provided) I see no bad guys here;)
@@rinopw4262 Merci.
Problem is that a lot of racists said the same about french soccer squad… not only in France but all over the world.
The identity issue in the US forces you to mention African American or Asian American or Native American, etc. Well at least not in France were people earned the right to be called just “french” as they are without mentioning a racially profiled adjective referring to their ancestors origin…
The fact that Trevor mentions that the French squad is being named “french” instead of “African” is exactly what french society is trying to avoid NOT with the purpose to deny french past colonialism history or players origin BUT with the purpose to help with the process of integrating better immigration and fight racism.
Those players earned the right to be named french without any mention to their origin or past or being victims of past french colonialism… let’s be fair and understand those basic differences between US and French cultures at naming foreign people origins (except native people of course).
Its weird but i didn't hear this guy yell ''africa won de world cup!'' When the USA won their umpteenth basketball gold medals. However, the skin color of these players does not come from the tan of the americain beaches 🤔
The Akan (ancestors of Black Americans for the most part) stopped being shipped to the Americas around the 1690's with the formation of the Kingdom of Ashanti. Most Black American slaves were born in the United States and their culture developed from the 18th century until now. Are you seriously comparing that with descendts of Immigrants?
@@rolandorodriguez4504 Still genetically Africans... I doubt Mbappe has ever even been to africa... How about trevor calling south africa cricket team europe
These are the children of immigrants whom their parents came to France and still have African names , you cannot compare the two!
@@ediththamae1211 so what? most of them probably never even stepped foot in africa. literally over 90% of the squad was born and raised in france and the only 2 guys who were born in africa migrated to france before they could talk properly
as an african living in Europe, i understand where France is coming from...i personally think France handles their "diversity" better than a lot of places. it's not perfect but it could be better. i had to unfortunately argue with lots of racists who were shitting on those world cup players because they were of African descent...and France does things like this to protect them. In France, you cannot even get statistics of racial population because it's unconstitutional.
World always ask France to understand that secularism is different in other country, so are human right. But France couldn't ask a single us citizen to try to adopt for a moment another point of view to see the whole landscape. I guess racists are all the same, regardless their nationality.
whattolivefor !! if France was handling the racial diversity as u are suggesting then all those black and Arab footballers would be working in mainstream jobs,its hard for blacks and Arabs to get mainstream jobs that's why they end up being musicians and athletes.
patrick kazinja. Yeah. I guess I'll pass the message to all my friends whose ascendants were born in Africa. They'll be glad you defend their rights to work in Banking, IT, research, education, or as civil servant. Ouch. They already do.
And, yes, you're right : France has a lot to do to ne effectively the nation of Human Rights.
whattolivefor !! My parents are Italian but i was born and raised in Denmark. I stick to my background coz thats were i came from!!!. Im not ashamed unlike you. Be proud of your origins.
Completely agree.
I am of Congolese decent but I grow up in Cape Town South Africa. My parents fled the war in the late 90s in Congo and fled South Africa because of the xenophobia attacks in 2009. I now
live in France with my family as French citizens. The sad part is here, there is racism like everywhere but this country and it’s citizens made me and my family feel more part of the French society then when o grow up in South Africa. Unlike when I was in Cape Town, I have the same equal rights as the “real French” as you say... here we don’t look at the color of your skin to determine you nationality... that is why France is so beautiful, we are a melting pot... we are never going to deny our African roots but we are also French. You people are always the first ones to scream “fight for equality” but when there is equality you bring division. 👎🏾
Je pense qu'il ne connaît pas les particularités culturelles de la France avec les deux visions qui s'y opposent : ceux qui voient la francité comme une citoyenneté accordée à tous sans distinction de couleur, de religion et d'orientation sexuelle par opposition à ceux qui la voient comme une ethnicité (qui impliquerait donc qu'il y aurait des français plus français que d'autres). Par conséquent, il n'a pas anticipé que son commentaire pouvait laisser croire qu'il soutient cette deuxième vision.
Ce qui est dommage c'est qu'il se présente comme un "insider" : il est lui aussi une "person of colour" donc il a le droit de chambrer les joueurs de l'équipe de France. Sauf qu'il oublie qu'il est aussi un "outsider" qui ne connaît pas les références culturelles françaises et comment certains de ses commentaires peuvent être pris chez nous.
Thank you stranger. All together against those "funny" people and their "funny joke".
Sheda Benitha who are "you people"?
Sheda Benitha cool story bro
Yeah, i know a lot of people that say the "melting pot" you speak of has ruined French culture forever (they are French). The only people I consider French are those who founded the country and their descendants. Here in the states we have been "forced" to call blacks African Americans. So I have extended the curiosity to call all blacks Africans no matter what country they are in.
I feel what you’re saying Trevor, I am french by nationality, mixed races genetically and when people ask me where I am from I say that I am European because I studied in two countries, worked in three, speaks 3 almost 4 languages and can about with an extra one. Many french people I meet through life do not understand it and for them I am french, I feel more like I am a citizen of the world and within every ones we are what we want to be. It is not a question of pride or nationalism, I don’t rub it on everyone faces but when asked that is my answer.
After 4 years. France 🇫🇷 vs Morocco🇲🇦 is considered by many Africans as an African final in this World Cup
Puerto Ricans are Americans. I think this is a very important issue because a lot of people don’t view them as US citizens.
Michelle D Yeah, that was a bad example.
They are, but I think he meant it more in the way of identity and culture. The ones that celebrate Saint Patrick day are the descendants of the Irish that came years ago (mostly) and formed the big community that it is now in the U.S (what I’m trying to say is that many of them are Americans). Maybe he meant it that way?
Via the same colonialism that the African that can't be because he's French. Also, most Puerto Ricans are African too. IJS
Puerto Rico is a US territory, but Puerto Ricans, while technically citizens, are still deprived of many rights that citizens in the mainland US get to enjoy (they can't vote for president, for example). So yeah, there's still a pretty big difference, not to mention the issues of identity and culture that Nat brought up.
Puerto Ricans are US citizens, but they do have a very unique culture different from the United States’ mainstream culture which is what I think Trevor was referring to. Puerto Rico would still have their unique culture even if the US had never claimed it as a territory.
It’s why Puerto Rican Day is celebrated all over the mainland by people of Puerto Rican descent, and there’s a concept of a person being of Puerto Rican descent or descent of any of the other US territories. The same concept doesn’t apply for US states. They are Americans with their own unique culture independent of America.
You are right. I am Moroccan and live in Belgium. But I feel am I am Belgian and Moroccan at the same time. You have no idea how racist SOME European can be. Look at the election. It's said everything!
Yes I'm kurdish and from Germany and Europe ist getting racist asf
As a (white) Belgian, I agree. If you're useful you can stay; otherwise get out. Effing bullshit.
It’s getting worst bro sooner Africans have to make their way back to the continent they won’t be welcome in Europe anymore
@ensayofr u have no idea, brahh
@ensayofr so u know the nsu in germany and the ku klux klan in america. Are u know a member of them too, just bcoz u are white?
"when I score I'm french, when I don't score, I'm arab" - karim benzema
Benzema isnt Arab but ok
I think ozil said that... benzema is most likely a Berber
@@NubiansNapata north african arab he is mixed he even said it
If they want to be only french, isn't that fine? I think it's just as bad forcing duality on someone who doesn't want it or haven't asked for it 🤔
They're forced, whatever they want.
He's is stating straight facts. And he's so involved in that duality it touches him.
Why doesn't he call South African teams Europe??
why don't we ever take into account what the players involved say ? identity is a personal matter
answer the question. When South Africa won the rugby world cup in 2007, no one said Europe won it. There was like 24 white players and 3 black players in that rugby world cup in 2007. These players were born in France so they are French. Period. You don't like it then tough luck
@Leila H there is a difference between the general ethnicity 'Africans' and citizens whom hold the 'south Africa' nationality.
@Leila H But most of the players were born in France, not Africa...
I have been watching the recent comments on this world cup from a distance and never thought I would participate in this debate. I feel obliged to say a little word because I do watch this show and have a lot of respect for Trevor Noah's work. I feel that people, including Noah, countless times refer to these players as "Africans". This is in itself either insulting, or a display of total ignorance of the fact that Africa is NOT a country. It seems like people are equating France (as a country) to Africa (as a continent). You rather speak of the players' respective nationality if you really feel obliged NOT TO say they are French. It is like saying Michel Platini is European-French (when we know his ancestors are Italian), or say Youri Djorkaeff is European-French (instead of its Russian origin). Strangely Zidane was/is never referred to as an African (but at worst as an Algerian). Hugo Lloris who was the captain of this winning team is never referred to as a European (to speak of his non-French nationality), nor even as a Spanish (his parents are Spanish), but as French. So the question is, why do this (African) origin thing only come up when the person is of a "different" skin color.
Trevor, why can't they be French without necessarily being of "something" origin? I would take your "defense" seriously if you do the same work you did on "Africans" in the French team on other people who are also not "originally" from France, but who are not noticeable by their "color". We will see how that sounds... It probably won't sell!
"no matter their religion"
that aged like milk
Well sent Mr Noah, BRAVO ! I am particularly touched by your words which say exactly what "we" (in this "we" I put all black French : those who have been French for several generations because they came from the enslavement during centuries of free Africans who live more particularly in some Caribbean islands (French Guiana, Martinique, Guadeloupe which are on average 8000km from the mother country) (the oldest black French are part of
those that generally the whole world know under the name of "Creole" if that speaks to you more, and the more recent black French resulting from the immigration "voluntary" from Africa, lol.
Yes we say like you that it is pure hypocrisy, that our national media have always said about us that we are French with each victory, trophy, prize in science / art / literature ... won by their blacks. But if we lose during these same competitions or a black has committed a crime then we are no longer French but "The Martinican", The Guadeloupéen "," The Guyanese "," The Cameroonian ", The Senegalese, etc. like we're not french anymore to lost or committed such crime.
It is a politically correct way of saying "black" without saying it, just by saying which region of France this person or his ancestors comes from ! Vicious isn't it ? And thanks to your show I see that our government is doing it too behind our back (i mean out of France, pfffff).
Congratulations Trevor for being elected as US President!
(2030)
Good to know, humble being from the future.
He can never be president of USA. He is not born in USA
Congrats on knocking out a sitting president during a midterm election Trevor
You mean press secretary for President Jon Stewart
@@akashpandya6718 that's why it's 2030, by then that requirement will be abolished
Im a swede. If you live here in sweden and if you pay taxes, you are a swede. Thats how it works for me.
Toujours rafraîchissant à regarder surtout en cette période de la coupe du monde
Thanks for addressing that situation. And the way you’re trying to explain why the ambassador got so mad in his letter is pretty accurate. However French people got mad to these jokes because the national soccer team got to deal with the bs of everyone who weren’t happy about their victory. And it would go from saying that the entire team doesn’t look they were born in France (same issue they could have an African descent but not being French, apparently) to straight racism, and in France it’s a big deal. That situation is really bad. It’s probably due to the common opinion nowadays, and in the way the US fight racism, the public opinion in France will try to copy that, but it’ll be tasteless and hysterical. In my childhood we were all together, it was a generation that we use to call “black, blanc, beur” (black people, white people, and beur referring to northern African people), and we would just live our life side by side, our chances were the same, same path, same life pretty much, there weren’t issues about a “race” being privilege more than an other one. We were all proud to be French and still enjoy our origins and descent.
Oui les USA ont une culture plus communautaire et parlant explicitement des "races". ça a déteint sur la France.
I love Trevor but the problem here is, by saying 'you don't get this tan by hanging out in the South of France', Trevor basically said they don't have the 'right color' to be looked at as French. Whereas the other White players in the team have descents from other countries too, but no one questions their nationality. The best thing to do here is to ask the players themselves what they think. It appears they were offended by Trevor's joke.
MissFunkyJuice
He not saying that at all. He's saying take pride in being French but just because you're French doesn't mean you can't take pride in your ancestry roots. And there is nothing wrong with that.
MissFunkyJuice so firstly I don't think the players are offended, their celebrations and dances are so African why would it offend them? I'm waiting for a player to come out and say they're offended. And like he pointed out, they are French and African. Nothing wrong with that
twitter.com/benmendy23/status/1019269986282598403
MissFunkyJuice if they don't claim African they can f off
He meant it in the sense that their blackness comes from Africa
Same thing happening to özil( german footballer)....when he won world cup he is german....when he lost last year he is turkish....so sad
True word why though
He is the best when they won but as they lost urban turkish
Oezil was taking pictures with the racist and islamist Turkish president, calling him „my president“, while the latter was jailing thousands of journalists and undermined Turkish democracy and kemalist principles. So you can’t really make a comparison.
@@LOLERXPracism is bad, i get it. Buy why being an islamist is a bad thing?
@@LOLERXP your comment is bullshit. Kemalism is nondemocratic and racist in the beginning, so erdogan is just following the states priniciples. Except that he is muslim, now europe ia freaking out because of their islamophobia. but when the kemalism did massacres to the armenian and kurds they kissed turkeys ass
Trevor I will miss you for this
Lol
I love how Trevor comes to the point without beating about the bush..