It always makes me shake my head when a killer ends their own life when faced with the consequences. They can stand to take lives, but they can't stand sitting in a cell for the rest of theirs? They're lucky they actually get to breathe, unlike their victims. Incredibly cowardice.
there was this saying in the documentary film zero day, where a breif very short insight to why some would chose suicide too, perhaps to avoid jail with the horrible reputation it has, sunken social status, its better to leave with a bang and either suicide. Makes sence since they dont find their actions wrong. which is so incredibly stupid
Anyone who says this has probably killed 500 people without even realizing it because they were zoned out thinking about how stupid they were and wanted to portray how idiotic they are so they came up with this
@@xladder3972i understand that, but it's just so hypocritical and sick. Murderers have absolutely no remorse for anything they've done, and it shows. It's just such a disgusting way to go out. They think it's "showy" but really it's not. It's devastating and disgusting.
I don't know how the police didn't figure it out far sooner. All the deaths were obviously connected to him, surely after just the first few killings they would've noticed something suspicious? The police in our area are very lazy. I know it. I'm from Hyde and my grandparents know a lot of the family members of the victims as it's a small community, and a lot of the victims were parents of people they went to school with. There's a lot of crimes that go unpunished in our area because the coppers seem to not care unless it's something extreme.
I think there's something to be said about his victims all being elderly women who known for being very active and healthy for their ages. Maybe he resented them for being in good health when his mother died in pain from cancer and wanted to take that away from them since his mother didn't get to? not that it justifies it but might be something he convinced himself of, or maybe he just had a compulsion to make other women who reminded him of his mom die the same way she did
He seriously had the nickname “doctor death” because everyone noticed how many of his patients were dying, and it STILL took so long for police to actually get suspicious?
the fact that people still go to him after he was given the name dr. death, or let their families be attended by someone called as dr. death is kind of ridiculous, or may be he wasn't that famous before Grundy
doctors are around death all the time. Especially if you’re Gp treating older people. It’s the circumstantial evidence ie the routine home visits and then immediate death that’s the red flag
@@LeviJamesRE He started his career there, but there aren't any confirmed kills attributable to him there. So, with lack of any evidence to the contrary, we can only say that he began killing people while at Todmorden
@raerohan4241 Rubbish! There's no physical evidence in Todmorden either. None of the bodies were dug up there either due to the passage of time. They know the same from Todmorden as they do from Pontefract. Medical records! Death certificate signatures and also "no need to notify coroner" on the notes. Have you even read all of Dame Janet Smiths Report ?!! She said clearly he killed upto 15 in Pontefract and "possibly" more. So get your facts right before spouting nonsense! This is people's relatives your talking about. Dismissing them! Have some respect!
Getting away with doing the same thing over 200 times is so insane. Especially when basically everyone already knew what was going on in the early days.
Lucy Letby is innocent. The jury, prosecution, wider British justice system and public would rather send an innocent person away for the rest of their lives than say that the NHS is broken.
I live in Dukinfield about a 15 minute walk from hyde my dad's grandma so my great grandma was killed by Shipman what made it worse was that her 2 daughters were in the house when he killed her and he told them both it was natural causes that shed just fell asleep moments before and passed away in her sleep its honestly disgusting how friendly and trusted this murderer was I hope he Rots in hell
I'm from Hyde and my grandparents know a lot of members of the victims families because a lot of the victims were parents of people my grandparents went to school with.
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I am from Hyde where he worked. My granddad was possibly the last person to see one of the victims as he saw her just before she went to see Shipman. He saw her at the bus stop where the market is. She was the mother of one of a friend he went to school with. He also almost got an appointment with Shipman himself but it didn't end up happening, and it's likely that Shipman wouldn't bother killing him anyway as at the time my grandad was in his 40s and not in the usual age range shipman's victims usually were. Every time I go into town to go shopping I walk past where his surgery used to be. It's eery, and strange to think that the most prolific serial killer in modern history was active in such a small and quiet town such as Hyde.
I'd like to imagine his thought process "All right, Imma kill this lady, then forge a will stating she gives everything to me instead of her children shortly before her death" Then he went like "Yup, sounds like a solid plan, ship it"
It would have only been like this at the start, since it would have lasted a continuous streak for 215 at most, which such number would desensitize such impulse for even someone as deranged as him. So in the later numbers of the streak, chances are that he would have undergone the psychology very similar to that of what we all normally experience such as social media addiction, masturbation addiction, or similar accumalated habits that we've just grown to do automatically and subconsciously rather than being focused on the intent itself
It’s crazy how much status being a doctor gives you. If any plumber happened to always come across dead bodies lines start connecting. But, bc he’s a doctor, they just gave him a nick name. Like”boy isn’t it crazy that doctor seems to always have witnessed the death, come across the body, or recently met w them prior to their death. Man must have bad luck. It’s like he’s a doctor of death *laughs drunkenly*”
The thing is that with a doctor there often are other explanations. A doctor cares for sick people, so to a certain extend you would expect him to find people dead or have people die under his care. And as they said, it's not very clear up to which point you can explain it with stuff like having especially sick and old patients or bad luck and at what point you have to investigate. If you see it from that standpoint, it makes sense that it took a while until action was taken. People don't want to openly accuse someone when they still think there might be a different explanation. If you have a plumber, you don't have those explanations.
I love your straight to the point video style, other similiar channels have such long intros that you just wait to get to the actual story..very good editing and you have amazing voice!
It’s crazy that there was clear proof (in my opinion) that this guy was a murderer, yet they were still letting him walk free until they figured out a motive, I find that irrational. Have we not found murderers that just kill for the heck of it with no motive so why are we always tryna find a motive. I understand it helps with finding evidence in some cases, but if the evidence is there already, why is there a need to find the motive?
Because while those people exist it's EXTREMELY rare. So rare that general prosecution without motive would very likely lead to more innocent people in jail than people like him.
This guy either completely resented his mother or was still heart broken over her death and wanted to get rid of as many women as he could because of it. Maybe he felt her passing was unfair and felt justified in killing those women. Maybe that’s his logic. It’s not right, but I can’t think of any other reason for this smh
Yeah...she was either his first victim or he got jealous of all these daughters enjoying their older mothers being around while being sound of mind and physically active while he did not by the age of 21.
I always thought the victims were older than that. A lot of women in their 60s. Obviously it's prerequisite that these patients had health issues but even so, that doesn’t tend to be randomly dying in your sleep age.
@@stephanief5794it's ichy though. People who were in their 60s then are in their 90s now. People in their 60s now could've fit in the doctor's mo by just 30 years. It really is just bad rotten luck.
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A lot of killers have weird fascination with thier mothers , it is portrayed in movies often but it is not untrue and a stereotype for a reason His mothers death changed everything for him , disturbed before then maybe but a murderer no , he mustve seen her dead body or closely observed her decline and that trauma haunted him so much that he wanted to recreate it
In 2005, it came to light that Shipman may have stolen jewellery from his victims. In 1998, police had seized over £10,000 worth of jewellery they found in his garage. In March 2005, when Primrose asked for its return, police wrote to the families of Shipman's victims asking them to identify the jewellery. His wife did receive some back, she sounded vile and his kids.
The name todmorden is kind of ironic. Both are german words that mean death (tod) and murdering (morden, a different form of the word mord wich means murder)
if deaths are 'expected' and 'explainable', no autopsy is performed. Referral for an autopsy is often done by the doctor, so Shipman must have been writing the death certificates to say that the deaths were expected and not recommending an autopsy. Families can also request one, but likely trusted the family doctor and didn't think it was necessary.
I believe a heart attack caused by heart rate slowing drugs is hard to see in a physical postmortem (or at least distinguish from other heart attack causes), no? Like if I took enough illicit white powder to undergo cardiac arrest, I think they’d have to do a blood test to see it, I believe. I may be wrong though so please do correct me.
If you see a doctor within 2 weeks of death , an autopsy need not be called for , but should have been in this case , with the number of deaths , two in his surgery , almost unknown , in general practice
Amazing vid!! The quality is astounding. This case always makes my blood boil though, to think that he killed so many people only to basically get away with it is absolutely disgusting 😞
I just sorta discovered and binged watched your channel today, i really appreciate the effort behind your content. I love that it’s narrated by a feminine-presenting voice too
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Omg it absolutely makes my evening when I see that you guys uploaded. I love the wording and the narrators voice and verbal demeanor is just so satisfying to listen to and the video is well edited too
I’m from Oldham I grew up hearing about the moors murders and shipman, he was my friends mums doctor and pretty sure he worked in Hyde at one point , which is where Myra hindley once lived
Just wanted to comment and say that I really admire the respect here. I’ve seen some true crime content that trivializes the events that played out and overall just be very frivolous with the whole thing. I commend you for being respectful about the case and its victims. You are a gem in the true crime world. 👏
I can see why his colleagues might be hesitant to report him, especially since they worked in a private practice. All of the instances very well could have been coincidences. His patients were elderly, and he made a lot of home visits randomly which would open up more opportunities to come across dying or deceased patients. He probably would have kept at it for god knows how long if he hadn’t (thankfully) been an idiot. Who leaves the entirety of their will to their GP instead of their family?! Thankfully his greed got the best of him in the end. I just wish he could have lived the rest of his life incarcerated and paying for all of the lives he took.
There also is a story about a serial killer in my home town in the netherlands. frans hooijmaers who worked in kerkrade at the luckerheijde kliniek was suspect of 259 suspicious dies at his work he confessed to 15. I dont know his sentence but i think it was life behind bars and tbs (then called tbr)
After the Letby case, I wonder if there will be some interesting comparisons or insights that we might draw between Shipman and Letby. Although I think Letby seemed to be doing it for attention, whereas Shipman...difficult to ascertain, but @theresanoelle makes some interesting speculative points. It would interesting to know how Shipman interacted with the bereaved..."I lost my mother too, no one can replace your mother, I know how you must feel....etc. etc." further trying to add to a 'saint like martyr' type rhetoric, whilst getting some sick satisfaction from watching them suffer. Perhaps not so different from Letby afterall.
Katherine Ramsland asserts that most doctors that kill or maim will do so to play the hero or play god or, in some cases, out of mercy. Nurses do so out of spite or anger, for revenge, or for attention.
@@southcoast80 Interesting. I think 'playing God' can mean spite/ anger/ wrath/ revenge, alongside mercy/ compassion/ kindness, so it's maybe somewhat similar. The drive in both cases seems to be human narcissistic traits playing up... So...playing God/ hero/ victim/ saviour/ antihero...they're all roles that people play when they are wanting social status or attention, I guess? I wonder if gender roles also factors in here, although I would not want to assume that. It seems we miss female psychopaths and murderers far more often than males. They are slower to get caught at least - but that's probably an issue with stereotyping and profiling techniques.
Seriously amazing content as usual. I’m glad that your channel is starting to blow up. This is one of my favorite true crime/mystery channels on the utubes.
My Manchester step mother, had an appointment with Shipman at his peak, as fate would have it, it was changed so she never saw him and fortunately moved on to another regular GP , 😮 cheers 🍻 from Australia 😊 thanks also for a great video ❤ 😊
i absolutely love this channel because there is something so interisting about the narrators voice making the contents of the videos easy to follow and more fascinating
Dude definetly had an interesting personality, i Wonder what really was going trough his mind killing all those defenseless inoccent elderly womans inside their own house
There is an episode of law and order criminal intent based off this guy. I had to stop the video to say this because so many details are the same. I can't believe that episode was based on a real person.
"at the time, this position was called a 'general practitioner'" - is that not still what they're called? not that anyone says that, everyone says GP. At least, that's what the 'normal' doctors you'd go to at a 'GP surgery' (as opposed to a hospital) are called where I've lived in Wales and New Zealand and the English people I've known call them GPs too.
Its so good to see how you guy's channel is growing, i remember a bit back when you were only in the double digits. Congratulations on tbe recognition of the finely produced videos.
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It always makes me shake my head when a killer ends their own life when faced with the consequences. They can stand to take lives, but they can't stand sitting in a cell for the rest of theirs? They're lucky they actually get to breathe, unlike their victims. Incredibly cowardice.
Lol if it’s so easy why don’t you do it? Incredibly cunty.
there was this saying in the documentary film zero day, where a breif very short insight to why some would chose suicide too, perhaps to avoid jail with the horrible reputation it has, sunken social status, its better to leave with a bang and either suicide. Makes sence since they dont find their actions wrong. which is so incredibly stupid
Biggest losers in the world. Makes me angry ! Lol
Anyone who says this has probably killed 500 people without even realizing it because they were zoned out thinking about how stupid they were and wanted to portray how idiotic they are so they came up with this
@@xladder3972i understand that, but it's just so hypocritical and sick. Murderers have absolutely no remorse for anything they've done, and it shows. It's just such a disgusting way to go out. They think it's "showy" but really it's not. It's devastating and disgusting.
215 victims in 20 years would make an average of 1 murder per month. Horrible.
I don't know how the police didn't figure it out far sooner. All the deaths were obviously connected to him, surely after just the first few killings they would've noticed something suspicious? The police in our area are very lazy. I know it. I'm from Hyde and my grandparents know a lot of the family members of the victims as it's a small community, and a lot of the victims were parents of people they went to school with. There's a lot of crimes that go unpunished in our area because the coppers seem to not care unless it's something extreme.
@@bobettepancakesBecause he's a doctor. Sickly dying patients isn't uncommon.
@@missdaisy2051except they weren’t sickly which is why it was suspicious 😭 did you even watch the video
@@maxchilton1967 Like the guy said 1 per month, he probably had hundreds of patients who didn't die, plus most were old people
@@missdaisy2051from the same doctor nicknamed doctor death and shows up at the crime scenes?
I think there's something to be said about his victims all being elderly women who known for being very active and healthy for their ages. Maybe he resented them for being in good health when his mother died in pain from cancer and wanted to take that away from them since his mother didn't get to? not that it justifies it but might be something he convinced himself of, or maybe he just had a compulsion to make other women who reminded him of his mom die the same way she did
Very possible since he couldn't see his mother growning older and living her life to the fullest
Or his mother was his first victim
He resented them because of misogyny
It is not that deep
@@ManiyaVinasthat’s why OP said maybe, it’s of course still misogyny even if their scenario is true, but it gives a different possible reason.
@@ManiyaVinasYou don't know that so pipe down.
He seriously had the nickname “doctor death” because everyone noticed how many of his patients were dying, and it STILL took so long for police to actually get suspicious?
Can u imagine how many killers on the loose today
Sick people dying does not raise suspicion.
Doctors take an oath to heal people, it's often unfathomable to think a Doctor is purposefully killing patients.
@redrob6026 And that's why people shouldn't blindly trust authorities
AND THE WILL??
How does no one figure out that a guy who kept being on scene when people were dying with the nickname
DOCTOR DEATH is a killer?
People didn't realise hannibal is a cannibal even though his name rhymed😂
because hes white
@@Jo-ph9zoIn England that's not really much of a defence
the fact that people still go to him after he was given the name dr. death, or let their families be attended by someone called as dr. death is kind of ridiculous, or may be he wasn't that famous before Grundy
doctors are around death all the time. Especially if you’re Gp treating older people. It’s the circumstantial evidence ie the routine home visits and then immediate death that’s the red flag
At one point, Shipman was my dad's doctor... Thankfully, my dad didn't fit into Shipman's demographic. My dad says he was "very friendly".😮
Ewww
Holyyy shiiiit. That’s chilling.
@@h0rriphic BRO IKR
That’s lowkey crazy
Damn!
Diamorphine is the "proper" term for heroin in case anyone wanted to know. He was injecting his patients with heroin.
@@lean.2366wtf man
Count me in
@@lean.2366 You're disgusting. This isn't something to joke about.
@@frankmuscular This is not something to joke about.
@@lean.2366 may sound like it but ODs from heroin are pretty nasty,its quick but those seconds before you pass out are awful
So weird how he started out in Todmorden. In German, „Tod“ is the word for death and „morden“ means to kill. Very fitting indeed…
i was thinking the same thing!!
He didn't start in Todmorden this is inaccurate. He started when he was training as a doctor at Pontefract General Infimary !
@@LeviJamesRE He started his career there, but there aren't any confirmed kills attributable to him there. So, with lack of any evidence to the contrary, we can only say that he began killing people while at Todmorden
@raerohan4241 Rubbish! There's no physical evidence in Todmorden either. None of the bodies were dug up there either due to the passage of time. They know the same from Todmorden as they do from Pontefract. Medical records! Death certificate signatures and also "no need to notify coroner" on the notes. Have you even read all of Dame Janet Smiths Report ?!! She said clearly he killed upto 15 in Pontefract and "possibly" more. So get your facts right before spouting nonsense! This is people's relatives your talking about. Dismissing them! Have some respect!
that's wild
Getting away with doing the same thing over 200 times is so insane. Especially when basically everyone already knew what was going on in the early days.
Shipman is a big name here. Recently, a nurse was imprisoned for killing multiple children, drawing a lot of Shipman comparisons in the UK press.
Lucy Letby?
@@penny4urthots125yes i guess
would love to see this channel cover the lucy letby case
Lucy Letby is innocent. The jury, prosecution, wider British justice system and public would rather send an innocent person away for the rest of their lives than say that the NHS is broken.
@@Owfore1?
I live in Dukinfield about a 15 minute walk from hyde my dad's grandma so my great grandma was killed by Shipman what made it worse was that her 2 daughters were in the house when he killed her and he told them both it was natural causes that shed just fell asleep moments before and passed away in her sleep its honestly disgusting how friendly and trusted this murderer was I hope he Rots in hell
I'm from Hyde and my grandparents know a lot of members of the victims families because a lot of the victims were parents of people my grandparents went to school with.
Damn. I can't imagine.
i ABSOLUTELY love this channel; there is something so great about the narrator's voice and how the team sort the information to make the videos acessible, informative and interesting. thank you, Unpredictable
agreed!
@@mirtiloofor sure i love her voice
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I am from Hyde where he worked. My granddad was possibly the last person to see one of the victims as he saw her just before she went to see Shipman. He saw her at the bus stop where the market is. She was the mother of one of a friend he went to school with. He also almost got an appointment with Shipman himself but it didn't end up happening, and it's likely that Shipman wouldn't bother killing him anyway as at the time my grandad was in his 40s and not in the usual age range shipman's victims usually were. Every time I go into town to go shopping I walk past where his surgery used to be. It's eery, and strange to think that the most prolific serial killer in modern history was active in such a small and quiet town such as Hyde.
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@cloddy4 cuz it’s not that good
@@eliassanchez420wakenbakeIt's almost on the same level with Lemmino
I'd like to imagine his thought process
"All right, Imma kill this lady, then forge a will stating she gives everything to me instead of her children shortly before her death"
Then he went like "Yup, sounds like a solid plan, ship it"
It would have only been like this at the start, since it would have lasted a continuous streak for 215 at most, which such number would desensitize such impulse for even someone as deranged as him. So in the later numbers of the streak, chances are that he would have undergone the psychology very similar to that of what we all normally experience such as social media addiction, masturbation addiction, or similar accumalated habits that we've just grown to do automatically and subconsciously rather than being focused on the intent itself
@@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKoreaHe probably felt like god. Ich.
@@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKoreaAnd he used his typewriter. That's not a call to get caught. That's arrogance.
this is literally from my tiny town in england. we reckon he killed our great grandma but it was never prove.
Really? I am so sorry...we watch these videos but dont ever take the time to think it could be us or our loved ones or friends.
@@treasurehunter3369That town in England is not tiny
@@UlsterLoyalist70 it's pretty small and unknown, why u tryna explain my own town to me?
@@treasurehunter3369 Yeah, I go to the doctors office that was across the road from shipmans.
@@beeft999 Hatersly does not count as Hyde
If a doctor gets a nickname like doctor death, maybe you should investigate them asap
Yup!!
This was in England... Yk how those cops and detectives are in that country.
Notice it took another doctor to finally notice the pattern
"at the time this position was called a general practitioner" it still is
He watched his mum dying, and it flipped a trigger in his mind. Then, he got greedy and it hung him.
It’s crazy how much status being a doctor gives you. If any plumber happened to always come across dead bodies lines start connecting. But, bc he’s a doctor, they just gave him a nick name. Like”boy isn’t it crazy that doctor seems to always have witnessed the death, come across the body, or recently met w them prior to their death. Man must have bad luck. It’s like he’s a doctor of death *laughs drunkenly*”
The thing is that with a doctor there often are other explanations. A doctor cares for sick people, so to a certain extend you would expect him to find people dead or have people die under his care. And as they said, it's not very clear up to which point you can explain it with stuff like having especially sick and old patients or bad luck and at what point you have to investigate. If you see it from that standpoint, it makes sense that it took a while until action was taken. People don't want to openly accuse someone when they still think there might be a different explanation. If you have a plumber, you don't have those explanations.
not a very good comparison
I love your straight to the point video style, other similiar channels have such long intros that you just wait to get to the actual story..very good editing and you have amazing voice!
It’s crazy that there was clear proof (in my opinion) that this guy was a murderer, yet they were still letting him walk free until they figured out a motive, I find that irrational. Have we not found murderers that just kill for the heck of it with no motive so why are we always tryna find a motive. I understand it helps with finding evidence in some cases, but if the evidence is there already, why is there a need to find the motive?
Because while those people exist it's EXTREMELY rare.
So rare that general prosecution without motive would very likely lead to more innocent people in jail than people like him.
215 confirmed victims is absolutely insane 😵💫 found your channel just this week and I'm obsessed, your videos are amazing
This guy either completely resented his mother or was still heart broken over her death and wanted to get rid of as many women as he could because of it. Maybe he felt her passing was unfair and felt justified in killing those women. Maybe that’s his logic. It’s not right, but I can’t think of any other reason for this smh
Yeah...she was either his first victim or he got jealous of all these daughters enjoying their older mothers being around while being sound of mind and physically active while he did not by the age of 21.
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I always thought the victims were older than that. A lot of women in their 60s. Obviously it's prerequisite that these patients had health issues but even so, that doesn’t tend to be randomly dying in your sleep age.
fr my parents are in their 60s. it’s not all that old lol
@@stephanief5794it's ichy though. People who were in their 60s then are in their 90s now. People in their 60s now could've fit in the doctor's mo by just 30 years. It really is just bad rotten luck.
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I live In Hyde where his surgery was and ironically it’s now a pharmacy lol
A lot of killers have weird fascination with thier mothers , it is portrayed in movies often but it is not untrue and a stereotype for a reason
His mothers death changed everything for him , disturbed before then maybe but a murderer no , he mustve seen her dead body or closely observed her decline and that trauma haunted him so much that he wanted to recreate it
He is a misogynist and most likely killed his mom.
It is madonna hoar complex again
And freud can't be right again
In 2005, it came to light that Shipman may have stolen jewellery from his victims. In 1998, police had seized over £10,000 worth of jewellery they found in his garage. In March 2005, when Primrose asked for its return, police wrote to the families of Shipman's victims asking them to identify the jewellery. His wife did receive some back, she sounded vile and his kids.
How did he get away with this for so long? So sad so much life was taken.
The name todmorden is kind of ironic. Both are german words that mean death (tod) and murdering (morden, a different form of the word mord wich means murder)
Ja Servus!
Nobody talking bout Him living in Hyde, as the very trusted Dr Jekyll
How did none of the autopsy’s not see that these were not heart attacks?
if deaths are 'expected' and 'explainable', no autopsy is performed. Referral for an autopsy is often done by the doctor, so Shipman must have been writing the death certificates to say that the deaths were expected and not recommending an autopsy. Families can also request one, but likely trusted the family doctor and didn't think it was necessary.
I believe a heart attack caused by heart rate slowing drugs is hard to see in a physical postmortem (or at least distinguish from other heart attack causes), no? Like if I took enough illicit white powder to undergo cardiac arrest, I think they’d have to do a blood test to see it, I believe. I may be wrong though so please do correct me.
If you see a doctor within 2 weeks of death , an autopsy need not be called for , but should have been in this case , with the number of deaths , two in his surgery , almost unknown , in general practice
A doctor literally being present as you die is probably the least likely scenario to result in an autopsy
I think, as a public, we should know a doctor's record of saves and deaths, like we know a boxer's record of wins and losses
Amazing vid!! The quality is astounding. This case always makes my blood boil though, to think that he killed so many people only to basically get away with it is absolutely disgusting 😞
I just sorta discovered and binged watched your channel today, i really appreciate the effort behind your content. I love that it’s narrated by a feminine-presenting voice too
@@abby5533feminine presenting oops i misspoke
@@abby5533nobody said its a bad word, jeef was just being respectful cus they dont know if the narrator is a woman or not.
Dude, I‘m a bio-woman with a gruff voice. No one would tell me my voice sounds „feminine“. OP was respectful.
@@abby5533 you have no idea that the narrator IS a woman. whats your problem weirdo
@@abby5533God terfs like you are so annoying. This is such casual language. Please go out and touch some grass.
I’m from Nottingham and I didn’t know Shipman was from here. Scary how these mentalists can be so close to us geographically
I’m halfway throughout the video and I noticed most of the victims are elderly women 😢, may they rest in peace.
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wow such a tough man killing elderly women in their home. rest in peace to those victims
Has a drug addiction problem but it allowed yo administer his patients. Ah the seventies...
Drug problems is pretty common with medical practitioners even today
This channel is truly underrated. The content and presentation are top shelf, and I always look forward to updates. Great music selection as well.
Keep up the awesome content!
Omg it absolutely makes my evening when I see that you guys uploaded. I love the wording and the narrators voice and verbal demeanor is just so satisfying to listen to and the video is well edited too
so happy you guys are getting sponsors!!! Hope this helps the channel grow even more
the thumbnail for this, that place he is standing is just down the road from me, that is scary
as a retired health care worker, I can't understand this man.
Good, it means you aren't a psychopath.
I’m from Oldham I grew up hearing about the moors murders and shipman, he was my friends mums doctor and pretty sure he worked in Hyde at one point , which is where Myra hindley once lived
He lived just a few minutes away from my house, absolutely terrible that he went on for so long
Just wanted to comment and say that I really admire the respect here. I’ve seen some true crime content that trivializes the events that played out and overall just be very frivolous with the whole thing. I commend you for being respectful about the case and its victims. You are a gem in the true crime world. 👏
I really love the way u narrate these cases. Ive subscribed to. Can I please request a video about the case of the "Hathora Group" 🙏
he went to the same college as me, my teacher told me about how he walked the same halls just many years before
Love how fast you go to get into the story. Love, love, love it
A family doctor is still called a general practitioner.
Pcp
Though I've long since muted UA-cam notifications, this is the only channel worth keeping the bell on for 👍
They still are called general practitioners GPs
The videos are so similar to Lemmino he must be a great inspiration, fantastic videos!
THESE VIDEOS ARE MY GUILTY PLEASURE UGHH thank you for the uploads!!!
audibly cheered when i saw you finally got sponsor! congratulations!
One content a month is still worth waiting for. Thanks for creating these videos master story teller! 🔥🔥🔥
So if he hadn’t tried to take that lady’s inheritance he would’ve probably gotten away with it
I can see why his colleagues might be hesitant to report him, especially since they worked in a private practice. All of the instances very well could have been coincidences. His patients were elderly, and he made a lot of home visits randomly which would open up more opportunities to come across dying or deceased patients. He probably would have kept at it for god knows how long if he hadn’t (thankfully) been an idiot. Who leaves the entirety of their will to their GP instead of their family?! Thankfully his greed got the best of him in the end. I just wish he could have lived the rest of his life incarcerated and paying for all of the lives he took.
Yeah but....the doubts keep ticking and pilling up...
There also is a story about a serial killer in my home town in the netherlands. frans hooijmaers who worked in kerkrade at the luckerheijde kliniek was suspect of 259 suspicious dies at his work he confessed to 15. I dont know his sentence but i think it was life behind bars and tbs (then called tbr)
Doctors: Modern day necromancers.
After the Letby case, I wonder if there will be some interesting comparisons or insights that we might draw between Shipman and Letby. Although I think Letby seemed to be doing it for attention, whereas Shipman...difficult to ascertain, but @theresanoelle makes some interesting speculative points. It would interesting to know how Shipman interacted with the bereaved..."I lost my mother too, no one can replace your mother, I know how you must feel....etc. etc." further trying to add to a 'saint like martyr' type rhetoric, whilst getting some sick satisfaction from watching them suffer. Perhaps not so different from Letby afterall.
Katherine Ramsland asserts that most doctors that kill or maim will do so to play the hero or play god or, in some cases, out of mercy. Nurses do so out of spite or anger, for revenge, or for attention.
@@southcoast80 Interesting. I think 'playing God' can mean spite/ anger/ wrath/ revenge, alongside mercy/ compassion/ kindness, so it's maybe somewhat similar. The drive in both cases seems to be human narcissistic traits playing up...
So...playing God/ hero/ victim/ saviour/ antihero...they're all roles that people play when they are wanting social status or attention, I guess? I wonder if gender roles also factors in here, although I would not want to assume that. It seems we miss female psychopaths and murderers far more often than males. They are slower to get caught at least - but that's probably an issue with stereotyping and profiling techniques.
Seriously amazing content as usual. I’m glad that your channel is starting to blow up. This is one of my favorite true crime/mystery channels on the utubes.
64… that’s so young my dad is like 6 years away from that and i’d lose my life without my dad
quite similar to the Lucy Letby case that's happening now
i thought serial killers where a thing of the past and fantasys as a kid.but to think reality often goes beyond emagination....
06:00 Todmorden is German and litterally means Deathkilling
My Manchester step mother, had an appointment with Shipman at his peak, as fate would have it, it was changed so she never saw him and fortunately moved on to another regular GP , 😮 cheers 🍻 from Australia 😊 thanks also for a great video ❤ 😊
Dr. Jeckyl's medical practice was in Hyde, UK ... 🤯
i absolutely love this channel because there is something so interisting about the narrators voice making the contents of the videos easy to follow and more fascinating
i really love the soundtrack in this video so much where can i find all these sick ambient tunes??
When all of the ads arent enough, theres always the sponsered ads as well
i LOVEEEEE ur guys' work and effort u put into this channel, yall are next up in the video essay/true crime scene. MUCH LOVE
he killed my ma's neighbours a year before he was caught, so sad
I am so hyped for the growth of this channel!
Well paced, narrated and edited video. Great job, thank you
Dude definetly had an interesting personality, i Wonder what really was going trough his mind killing all those defenseless inoccent elderly womans inside their own house
He took the coward's way out. Awful awful human being. I am speechless.
He was so high he wrote a will (his death sentence) for himself
Unpredictable is literally my weekly thriller
You know its gonna be a good day when unpredicatble uploads
“Nobody noticed” in thumbnail, but called “Doctor Death” by entire neighborhood 😂
There is an episode of law and order criminal intent based off this guy. I had to stop the video to say this because so many details are the same. I can't believe that episode was based on a real person.
Honestly your videos are incredibly well-made.
Huge fan of your channel. The work you put into your videos is greatly appreciated. Keep it up guys!
"at the time, this position was called a 'general practitioner'" - is that not still what they're called? not that anyone says that, everyone says GP. At least, that's what the 'normal' doctors you'd go to at a 'GP surgery' (as opposed to a hospital) are called where I've lived in Wales and New Zealand and the English people I've known call them GPs too.
We call them General Practitioner here in the United States
I absolutely love your account and can’t get enough of your videos thanks so much for making them ♡
Imagine being the family members of these people trusting someone with a loved one
Sadly, here in Colombia was a serial killer who killed about 300 people, most of them being children. His name was Garavito💀💀💀
That guy made alot of shit up tho
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Soooo he was fired for stealing narcotics and overdosing, and they let him keep his license and even work with drugs?!
Its so good to see how you guy's channel is growing, i remember a bit back when you were only in the double digits. Congratulations on tbe recognition of the finely produced videos.
Big thing to preface this with: autopsies are NOT routine in the UK. US rate is 9%, the UK is 0.69%.
I know about almost all your subjects, and still enjoy watching your videos. You have a different way, you don’t sound sensationnalizong
Fitting end to a reprobate mind.
May the Judge of judges judge him according to his works
This is what happens when a mixture of a desire to be loved is equally met with a love of death.
That was a great video and really interesting. I like the visuals and the voiceover.
i love u guys so much. i can guarantee i will learn something new every single video you two upload. i thank you greatly for sharing your research with us, and please continue what you do and have fun with it. editing and video creation is truly an art especially when it comes to this channel.