The Keep (1983) - Deleted Scenes (Pictures and Clips)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Pictures and clips of some deleted scenes from Michael Mann's cult movie The Keep.
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Paramount, you fuckers, give me back 2 hour of deleted scenes!
Apparently they looked in 2004, for a Dvd Special Edition, but couldn't find the cut footage. Hopefully whoever looks for it next actually finds it.
I just discovered this film recently and while it was clearly compromised I think there’s enough left to exhibit this was a really compelling vision
It's pretty unique
Thank you for putting this together. It is a shame that the film was cut up so much - it ruined it.
I recently watched this film and I loved it! For some odd reason, I kind of got Highlander(1986) vibes. Maybe it was the music or the mystery of Glaeken himself. Like many others who have commented, I hope one day we get an extended cut/Director's Cut of the film. Mr. H Reviews mentioned a few months ago that The Keep will be remade. But, I'm not optimistic about the outcome...
eeeh I like Greg Nicataro, he's going to do something passionate with it.
Thanks for posting this. I never understood how the death of Wally Veevers could affect the movie so adversely. I think they even got ILM to composite some shots after he died. I think maybe Paramount saw it as a big money pit with limited commercial appeal and decided to cut their losses. I don't think Mann had enough clout to prevent the studio from interfering with it (in his pre-Miami Vice days), so they just cut any scenes requiring uncompleted special effects and dumped it out to the public. I think Mann knows it'll never be the same movie he wanted it to be and is no doubt still bitter over it, as any great artist would be.
Aint' that the sad truth. Good comment.
Actors weren't too happy about the studio fuckery, either. Paramount swiped post production out from under Mann, and shredded it for the sake of a buck. Can't blame Mann for staying away from it.
RW4X4X3006...Says who? Studios dont just dive in and fuck up a great film. They usually have a reason...mostly, thinking they have clunker of which they have to salvage with an edit or just to cut their losses. As much as im a fan of this film not for a second do i think there was some mythical cut that was wrestled from Manns grip.
@@philmellor4885 I do think so. It was missing special effects Paramount didn't want to pay for.
That's why the fanbase wants it published. Maybe they can be done easily with todays technology.
@@M0butu Sorry, I really do think that even if we got to see the unedited version the film would still be a mess regardless of the unfinished effects. A glorious mess granted. I have a huge soft spot for this film but I'm not blind to its many faults.
In other words, Paramount messed up the movie.
Yeah, they (Paramount) constantly interfered with production and swiped post production out from under Mann. Imagine trying to build a camp fire, and some assclown keeps walking over and tossing buckets of water on it. Just think of the great films these artists and film makers could come up with - If they were unleashed. That's why so many of the independent films over the past few decades, leave Hollywood in the dust.
As much as i hate the idea of a studio stepping in and fucking up a directors vision, sometimes you have to think...was it a complete clusterfuck and the studio had to step in to salvage something from the mess. They could have wanted a straight 90 minute version of the book only for Mann to deliver a 3 hour art house flick. As much as we all think Mann is a genius he aint perfect. Id just love to see the mythical longer cut just to put all these "they fucked up Manns masterpiece" theorys to bed.
great work very insigtful interesting...... dying to see all the unedited versions of the great era
I'm almost finished with the original masterpiece by Wilson . . I'll come back later. One of the most thrilling fantasies I've ever read.
If you liked "The Keep," you will enjoy Wilson's Repairman Jack series, starting with "The Tomb."
I think overall Mann was trying his best to stay close to F. Paul Wilson's book with a few exceptions. For one the background of both Glenn (real name is Glaeken) and Molasar (name later revealed by Glaeken as Rasalom, backwards spelling) was completely left out. It would have been nice to understand the world these two rivals came from and the war they had been fighting during First Age into the present. Glaeken was a reluctant soldier for the Forces of Light while Molasar was the Champion of Chaos, which thrives on misery, hate, and just about all the dark crap you can imagine to gain his strength. Neither of the two have a mirror reflection which adds more depth to their actual existence in our modern world. So this alone already tells the audience these two badasses are on a totally different level than mankind. And the whole vampire persona to Molasar's character was also removed and replaced by a DC comic book looking Darkseid.
But I digress. So nerd talk aside, in the end Mann's film was totally butchered and who knows what the three hour long version would have revealed. And lastly, even the ending was WRONG. Both Glaeken and Molasar were fighting on the tower of the keep before it collapsed under them causing both to fall into the abyss. The battle was epic and I would love to see that. So I really think a new version would be awesome if cooler heads ever prevail.
From what I've seen Mann didnt like the book.
Hollywood would never make a worthy version...they always fuck it up.
Gleaken was someone like Conan and Rasalom was someone like Toth-amon. Rasalom say to Gleaken: we meet again barbarian.
Certainly the reflection/no-reflection scenes speak to a closer book-faithful adaptation. I think what Mann DIDN'T like was the vampire-not-vampire fake-out; he wanted to present Glaeken + Rasalom as "energy beings of good and evil," which is also relatively close to the book, but perhaps without the sword-forged-by-elves, pretend-to-be-vampire stuff. The phrase "fairy tale" was constantly used when describing this adaptation; this seems to be what that means.
Still one of my all time favorites. Fantastic soundtrack by tangerine dream, my first experience hearing them that i remember. Spooky as hell, and a great cast. I swear when ian mckellan (Gandalf) gets cured and takes off his gloves, he looks so much like a young magneto from the late 80s and early 90s in the comic books. I still wonder if he was the inspiration for magnetos look. still a must watch movie at least once a year.
This film had so much potential but when studio execs butcher two solid hours of content and ignore the director's objections this is the result. Unfortunately, after nearly 40 years the deleted scenes will never be restored simply because it's not economically viable to satisfy a loyal, but small, cult fanbase. It's a pity.
In those days a 3 hour movie could not be released into cinemas. Theatre owners needed a certain number of "Showings" per day to recoup rental costs. It was ludicrous for anyone, even a director, to think it okay to make a 3 hour movie.
Movies are always edited multiple times anyway.
@Stefano Pavone And Aliens, Apocalypse Now and the UK version of The Shining all had severe cuts made to them.
Thankyou for posting this... I’d love to see the whole version...
I watched a hired VHS of The Keep way back in the day (1984 I think), can't remember if it was the full movie in it's entirety, but it was significantly longer than than version that's currently available. I remember that some of the dialogue was not in English and was subtitled, and many of the villagers turning on them selves once the entity was released. It also contained a scene in Molarsar's garishly coloured lair (or whatever place it was), it was a very long time ago and I was only about 14 - 15 at the time. That final photo of the 3 of them returning in the fishing boat looks very familiar too, so maybe the full vers did get a video released - I doubt that I'm the only one still around who saw it.
This is not the first time i hear about "longer VHS version" of The Keep. There were some other people and reports over the years who said they watched some longer version of the film, and after finding out about some deleted scenes from the film, i can confirm that lot of them could be telling the truth. It's possible that maybe it was one of the TV versions of the film, there were many rumors about those too, like how there were at least couple which had different scenes and endings, and again, based on what i know about deleted scenes from the film, this could also be true. Damn it, wish we could finally find out what the hell was up with all these different cuts of the film...
Very good, thank you. Love this film. In the book she finds him alive, they should have left it alone.
+Bigfrit Hallows
eeee..yeah. I spent several decades mulling over meaning of this film's ending. How or why it was that he had to leave as well.
Balance was the only conclusion I could come up with. Two entities that weighed so much, one so bad, one so good, could not exist in the world by themselves. All or nothing; forces of nature would simply not allow either one to run by themselves free.
But...alas...the book says something else. I really need to find the subsequent series - 'The Adversary Cycle.'
A cult classic like this should have been picked up, dusted off and restarted long ago. I think Michael Mann lost interest and became afraid after they took this classic from him being that it was his first movie. With these OLD money hungry Studio Heads these modern times, this classic may never get a remake from a Top Director or at least an uncut deleted scenes release of this classic. I just wish a Top Oscar type Director would pick it up an make a award winning classic. I have a suggestion, Pay me to direct this classic, give me all the resources i need, step back and i promise you every person in Hollywood would come calling, asking? who is this guy, can you put me in touch with him. Good Luck with this classic in the future. Johnny
i can see why the dogs blood was cut, jo bob brigs once said "you never kill a pet, people get upset"
I would love to see the whole movie cleaned up and release on blu ray or 4k, what a great movie.
There's a 1080p version out there, taken from a 35mm film print. There's supposedly a 4K version of the same restoration, but I haven't found it yet. The 1080p looks great, even with all it's imperfections
This movie has some of the most beautiful photography I have seen in film. To bad Scott didn't use this style for his Prometheus and such. It was what I was hoping for.
You sure? Prometheus's photographic style is very reminiscent of Alien (of course), which is something that can be said of the The Keep too, at least in its best moments. Strong, uncorrected HMI lights with lots of smoke and little fill are seen in both movies. If you look at the scene where a "complete" Molasar kills Gabriel Bryne and pay attention to the lighting, you'd see it's very Alien-like. The only difference is that the film is kept at the lights' color temperature...but the production stills from the same scene are tinted in blue (perhaps because the movie was meant to be printed like that - I wouldn't be surprised, the same thing happened with William Malone's "Titan Find \ Creature") and are very Alien-like. As a piece of trivia, the cinematographer on The Keep was the late, great Alex Thompson, who went on to shoot "Legend" for Ridley Scott himself and "Alien 3" (after Jordan Cronenweth, the DP on "Blade Runner", fell ill).
@@thermonuclearcollider4418
The alien mothership scenes in Close Encounters have a similar colour palete...
A movie like this will never be made today. I love the Keep and its music. Its like an acid trip. Of course no one understood Manns vision at the time. Its sad that this movie will prob never get a new master with the full runtime the way MM intended it to.
This is a great little movie great sound track, by Tangerine Dream
Great / thanks ... I first saw the keep decades ago - but I’ve only just read the book ... I’d definitely recommend it.
Michael Mann spoke in Brooklyn last week, and scoffed when asked about a redefined version of "The Keep." The footage and its arcane secrets will be lost to the ages because the SFX director died during filming.
If you were creating the masterpiece omelette, and some prick tossed it in the toilet before it was ready, would you try to resurrect it?
I dont buy all this horseshit about the effects wizard dying during production ruining the film. Its an excuse. We'd of ended up with Krull style SFX in a film not suited to that. For a film like this it would have been totally innapropriate.
@@RW4X4X3006 : What a stupid fckn comment..
@@RW4X4X3006 worse things have been done in Hollywood. 😆
@@philmellor4885 I am pretty sure the VFX man's death did play a role, but, yeah, I don't buy the "nobody had a clue about what he wanted to do" bit. I mean, this man was leading a team, he was not acting alone: it's impossible he never told anyone what they were doing, especially since VFX work is always pre-visualized via storyboards and whatnot. Also, even if VFX work was still more of an artisan's craft in the early-80s, how esoteric could this man's methods be that no colleague of his couldn't piece the material together? My two cents is that the studio simply didn't want to pump more money in a movie that was already over-budget and didn't look like the blockbuster hit they were hoping for, so they had the more elaborate parts (like the ending) re-shot and simplified to stop the bleeding and only paid for what was essential.
great movie........
paramount screwed up the movie. I wish WARNER released this movie steady.
Nk Matos...Nah...Mann screwed this movie up. Its a glorious screw up but dont dump the blame on Paramount.
@@Randomstuff33688 Course he screwed it up. You think Paramount are that stupid that they'd go and butcher a masterpiece. Mann had lost control (that not me speculating, thats the crew stating this), the effects were fucked and hed handed over something polar opposite to what the studio wanted.
#realeasetheManncut
Even though they still did a good job of editing, I consider this movie an sci fi / horror masterpiece.
I'd like to see the entire original making
Maybe why this is Mann didn't consider this a Good Work of his because the film wasn't released the way he intended it?
somewhere there must be an unedited copy . there has to be. I know if I made movies I would put up the entire movie. then make a copy for people to hack away at it .
Wow, very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Somewhere the 210 minute version exists, there were copies made that were shown to test audiences.
I think that only the two hour cut was shown to test audiences, but i wouldn't mind seeing even that cut of the film. Besides some deleted scenes it also had full uncut ending with Eva and Glaeken in the keep, and possibly even the final scene with them and her father on a boat.
The 210 minute cut would have been an assembly cut. The final cut would have been much shorter, but substantially longer than the 96 minutes we have.
That's mean , paramount fucked up.
Es una de las mejores películas que existen para mí gusto
With all the PC special effects wizards around these days, the scenes that were cut due to the fact they didn't want to spend any more money, could be done fairly easily and cheaply today. If only they find the footage.
Damn studios!
When I see the book and movie about it, it all ways give be theory that to me it could be a sequel by a show I like to watch do to that there's one final episode of season 1 (10th episode) where the main Character reflection doesn't show at the end. which gleaken reflection doesn't show too and I think always by saying, I think the show and movie are the same. I watch the all the episodes of the show I watched and watched the keep movie and the book and I think they Really are the same.
The Keep Extended Broadcast TV Ending: ua-cam.com/video/mLw9z0IZydQ/v-deo.html
Awesome! Thanks!!!!
AI might be able to cobble all the bits together.
Give mann his film back..crazy you have no control of his own film..3hr directors cut somewhere.
W o w.
I wonder if there were any deleted scenes from Lovely Bones. That were from a earlier cut screened to a test audience.
Wait...What?!
3:24 I like the alternate ending version where they both have the final battle (I hope this version ending is long because I want to see it) because it look like gleaken just stab molasor and feels like he is saying something to molasor I see it In my mind and I wish they also did the filming in the boat scene which I want to see if gleaken and Eva and also Eva dad something to each other in the movie.
Never quite understood who the two were when I was watching this all these years. At one point I even thought one might be Jesus or even one of the angels like Gabriel, and the baddie is Lucifer, but in their more primordial origins rather than the caricature of what religion has done to them. Also at another time I thought maybe ancient alien forces who used Earth as a prison for one of their own and one guard who through time was seen as Jesus. lol
Supernatural forces is all I can find about who they're supposed to be. Anyone know for certain?
The novel and graphic novel (the latter also by the book's original author, F Paul Wilson) have Glaeken explain to Eva (Magda in the book and GN) that he and Rasalom (Molasar's real name) are essentially metaphysical entities in human form, immortal personifications of human values and concepts as opposed to fully human beings - he also goes on tell her that they're not necessarily good and evil or light and dark, more like "inimical and indifferent" in G's words (one of them wants to rule the world, the other wants to try to live without much trouble).
A wasted masterpiece... Butcher studio 🤬
Great book, terrible movie
The movie was 3 hrs long orignally... cut down to 90 mins... it stood no chance... but there is at least the book which I must-read.
@@lordcthulhu627 I have read The Keep: rest assured, the movie was always going to be a much different journey as several elements (like what Molasar actually is) were changed from the very beginning. It's not really a matter of deleted footage: the novel is a horror story with nods to the Cthulhu Mythos that eventually steps into dark fantasy territory, Mann wanted to do something entirely different.