Riding the New York City Subway, 1980s

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  • @penguinpie5056
    @penguinpie5056 5 років тому +123

    you gotta admire the balls of someone bringing what was not a cheap or easily concealed video camera onto the new york subway during this time

  • @bohemoth1
    @bohemoth1 5 років тому +62

    I can remember the soda and candy machines in the Subway stations. I remember buying hotdogs and Knishes in the Subway. Getting haircuts and shoeshine in the Subway. Buying clothes at the 14 street station of the A train and Canarsie Line now the L train. It was the BMT. IRT AND IND Lines. No air horns just train whistles. One station even had a Modell's! I use to buy my clothes from there.

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 3 роки тому

      I remember those with air whistles were used mostly in rush hours in the 1960s NYC when I was a boy. As a New Yorker the last 1914 til 1918 ones with the small roof vents on the Stillwell roofs were retired in August 1969 on the Mrtle Ave. Line. Today's M line. They were called the BMT STANDARDS.

    • @MutedAds
      @MutedAds 2 роки тому +3

      Dang I want the 1980s nyc subway hotdog

    • @88ntil
      @88ntil 2 роки тому

      Someone actually just opened a coffee shop in the subway

  • @ci310
    @ci310 5 років тому +119

    as a native new yorker, i can say the stations didn't even changed that much in 40 years?? makes you think how effing dirty the stations are.

    • @michaelmorales1475
      @michaelmorales1475 5 років тому +18

      There are many stations that have been renovated in the past 20 years but there are many that need renovations, like on the (G), (J/Z), & (7) Lines.

    • @prodbychance
      @prodbychance 3 роки тому +8

      facts some of them still look like this

    • @nyctmtakid8358
      @nyctmtakid8358 3 роки тому +1

      @@michaelmorales1475Now that you mention the G and 7 lines, MTA is working on giving them new trains not modernizing their subway stations.

    • @DonGivani
      @DonGivani 2 роки тому +1

      Chambers Street on the 1,2,3 line 😣😫🤮

    • @PRHILL9696
      @PRHILL9696 2 роки тому +1

      ikr!

  • @williamlevi5051
    @williamlevi5051 4 роки тому +53

    Hard to beleive a lot of those same cars are still running on the lines today. Almost 40yrs later. A lot of them been running since the 70s

    • @EphemeralProductions
      @EphemeralProductions 3 роки тому +1

      Hopefully VERY well maintained and taken care of!

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 3 роки тому +3

      The oldest ones we see now is the R46 of 1975 to 1978 vintage. On the 6th and8th Ave. Subway.the subway car you see with a 500 series number board is from 1975.

    • @DonGivani
      @DonGivani 2 роки тому +1

      40 years is normal life expectancy for a train car

    • @PHLYogi
      @PHLYogi Рік тому +3

      i find it sad lol, these stations still look run down and the old trains are super uncomfortable. feels like they’ve made no progress. the city should really start renovating the stations at one point. (just to note, i take these same trains and ride to the same stops on a daily for work)

    • @williamlevi5051
      @williamlevi5051 Рік тому

      @@PHLYogi only way the subway gets better is if they privatize with city and state funding. Kind of like what they do with access a ride.

  • @iam.pomika
    @iam.pomika Рік тому +6

    0:24 is the "aw fuck" that we hear in B3

  • @lilylee5924
    @lilylee5924 Рік тому +1

    Wow! This brings back memories. Rode the subway for years for school and jobs and clubs back then. Using tokens. Good times!

  • @gantmj
    @gantmj 6 років тому +14

    So the faded, yellow-orange line further back from the platform edge has been there a lot longer than I would've thought.
    That's some impressive paint to not be touched up for so long, but still exist today.

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 4 роки тому

      right that's crazy nd I'm 28

    • @robroy6374
      @robroy6374 Рік тому

      the orange strip near the platform edge only dates back the 1970s. 49th Street Station (N,R & W) was one of the first (if not the first) to have it (1973 renovation).

  • @Mhel2023
    @Mhel2023 4 роки тому +19

    Please let me go back. I was a club kid in the 80's and rode the trains at 3pm or 3am, good times I miss the real NYC ❤️

    • @lsn0861
      @lsn0861 2 роки тому

      New york was bad in the 80s. It was poor, a lot of crimes, it was dirty, it was graffiti everywhere and it was many dr*g dealers

    • @PRHILL9696
      @PRHILL9696 2 роки тому +1

      I know right!

    • @Arthur_RobloxPlayz
      @Arthur_RobloxPlayz Рік тому

      the local trains used to have two letters and the express trains have one letter in rollsigns in 1980. Nowadays the local and express trains have one letter in rollsign

  • @barnesfam
    @barnesfam 9 років тому +72

    I wish it could say the exact year. This is pretty cool. I love looking into the past.

    • @bluebugaboo3344
      @bluebugaboo3344 9 років тому +21

      I know the exact year it's 1986 I saw part 1 of this video

  • @Ascertivon
    @Ascertivon 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you for uploading this awesome piece of history!

  • @WaterandFireTarot
    @WaterandFireTarot 6 років тому +53

    I miss the 80’s

  • @NeoTurboManiac78
    @NeoTurboManiac78 7 років тому +47

    Right off the bat this screams old school, when you see a sign for the "LL" train. I still remember the days of double letter routes on the subway.

    • @richiebee1984
      @richiebee1984 5 років тому +2

      Same here

    • @elenaa3408
      @elenaa3408 5 років тому +1

      me too!

    • @ThatGuy-te9wh
      @ThatGuy-te9wh 5 років тому +3

      The AA, CC, GG, LL, QB (used to be my favorite line because it was right by where I lived, rare, and weird) and RR. Those were the days. And the old brown R/Nassau RR was always an enigma to me.

  • @Fcong_1960
    @Fcong_1960 4 роки тому +7

    I lived in NY 80"s 179 -87 Jamaica Ave , now a live in Ca,

    • @Mhel2023
      @Mhel2023 4 роки тому

      I'm from Jamaica Queens used to shop on the Av all the time miss it now I'm in Texas

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 4 роки тому

      @@Mhel2023 you cute

  • @brooklynelite5428
    @brooklynelite5428 Рік тому +1

    Those trains look so nice I remember the ones that had the glass in the partitions.

  • @TheBassgurl
    @TheBassgurl 3 роки тому +3

    This brings back so many memories of being in NYC in the 1980s.

  • @wallflower15875
    @wallflower15875 8 років тому +92

    My left ear is lonely

    • @gusalthorp6138
      @gusalthorp6138 5 років тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @mikej6624
      @mikej6624 5 років тому +1

      I thought it was just me!!!!

    • @gusalthorp6138
      @gusalthorp6138 5 років тому

      @@mikej6624 😂😂😂

    • @ci310
      @ci310 5 років тому

      omg i got scared for a sec. thought i was the only one.

    • @supermarionathan1426
      @supermarionathan1426 5 років тому

      My left ear is like that too and I thought I was the only one

  • @鉄道とおこぷれ大好きチャンネル

    Very good New York City Subway 1980s video

  • @lavaxo6995
    @lavaxo6995 4 роки тому +9

    Wow you can actually comprehend what their saying on the intercom

  • @SeverinoSE
    @SeverinoSE 9 років тому +10

    Amazing footage, thanks!

  • @ruzzelladrian907
    @ruzzelladrian907 5 років тому +4

    I just immigrated from the Philippines, and I now live in Queens, I have to say that the stations in this video look exactly just like the stations from Elmhurst Avenue to Forest Hills; my station is Grand Ave Newtown Station. Nothing changed except everything is way more dirtier.

  • @r42fan15
    @r42fan15 8 років тому +2

    NICE CATCH OF THE R10'S & R44'S.

  • @thy-wounded
    @thy-wounded 6 років тому +2

    The last time I was on the train 1989, this bring back memories. .

  • @Jzrocks94
    @Jzrocks94 9 років тому +109

    only difference from then and now instead of everyone just sitting there reading there newspapers everyone is on there phones. Same trains different times.

  • @bruhmoment64
    @bruhmoment64 2 роки тому +1

    Surprisingly clean for the eighties? Thought we would see more subway art

  • @bluegillphil1427
    @bluegillphil1427 7 років тому +3

    I rode the subway everywhere in the 1960s fare was only a DIME back then

    • @Mhel2023
      @Mhel2023 4 роки тому

      My first subway fare remembrance is 35 cents

  • @FutureLaugh
    @FutureLaugh 7 років тому +87

    so grimey, reminds me of being a kid again. Life before cell phones, when somebody can stick you up and kill you and people just watched lol

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 4 роки тому +1

      DAMN

    • @FutureLaugh
      @FutureLaugh 4 роки тому +2

      @@quanbrooklynkid7776 people wonder why crime went down, it wasnt stop and frisk or broken window theory- it was cell phones. before phones, you just got to trust when you get shot, somebody else will run over to a payphone and call the police

    • @brianb7423
      @brianb7423 3 роки тому +3

      @@FutureLaugh yeah technology really is the reason why crime went down for sure

    • @Unknown-Ways
      @Unknown-Ways 3 роки тому

      @@brianb7423 true

    • @PRHILL9696
      @PRHILL9696 2 роки тому +1

      well those days are back!

  • @danielwrynn4707
    @danielwrynn4707 2 роки тому

    I remember the subway very well in the 1980s. The R46 cars were the newest. Now in 2022, they're the oldest. Back in the 1980s, the R10s were the oldest.

  • @michaelwakeham3404
    @michaelwakeham3404 5 місяців тому

    Gotta say the cameras on phones back then are a lot better then i thought they would be

  • @claudiahansen4938
    @claudiahansen4938 2 роки тому

    Lived there. I remember! Thanks.

  • @dominickcamry5247
    @dominickcamry5247 2 роки тому +3

    Great footage of NYC subway in the 1980s. I remember it well. This is back when those colorful R46 Pullman Standard cars were assigned to (E) train and were blue-striped and had different roster numbers before they were re-built in 90's. Glad you caught that old R10 graffiti train passing by, most likely the (C) train. This (E) 8 Ave local ride along this route between 14th & 7 Ave-53rd got some weird stations, especially 42nd St (with long-range off-set platforms and a secret lower level platform), 50th St (with upper & lower tracks) and 7Ave-53rd (also with upper & lower tracks) and the weird routing between the (B)(D) tracks and (E) tracks. Good times (of course I was a kid then), but the subways are much cleaner, newer, brighter and hi-techy today. Thanks for sharing! 😊🚇😊🚇😊🚇😊🚇😊

  • @Triblecobbs1992
    @Triblecobbs1992 6 років тому +8

    People always had cell phones since the 1600's.

  • @Sum67
    @Sum67 8 місяців тому +1

    My left ear enjoyed this

  • @8avexp
    @8avexp 6 років тому +1

    By the mid-80s, the R-46s had new trucks that replaced the problematic Rockwell trucks that kept cracking.

  • @r42fan15
    @r42fan15 8 років тому +4

    AND R42'S BEFORE THERE'S REBUILDMENT IN 1988 & 1989.

  • @nicolehj8416
    @nicolehj8416 6 років тому +2

    Summers were the worst waiting for the train.Hot humid muggy and stale.

    • @jtuggs9741
      @jtuggs9741 6 років тому +1

      LMAO Yeah its still like that lol, im from Michigan and rode the train for the first time last summer and I was like OMG! Its hot down here lol even clinical deodorant didnt help me that day LMAO

    • @nicolehj8416
      @nicolehj8416 6 років тому +1

      J Tuggs yea I know its still this way because Im still living here in nyc.But now alot of violent attacks are happening on the trains as well so I drive, bus it or cabby it everywhere🚍🚗🚖

    • @jtuggs9741
      @jtuggs9741 6 років тому

      Thats crazy I did not know that and I love NYC I always tell people its my second home away from home but I did not know it be a lot of attacks smh, I try not to ride it at night when im out there

    • @deethemusiqfiend718jr9
      @deethemusiqfiend718jr9 6 років тому

      Nicole HJ Nobody fucked with and I was riding the train after hours

  • @MJBYouTubeNetwork
    @MJBYouTubeNetwork 7 років тому +2

    Those overhauled R44s or 46s look shiny as fuck!

    • @robloxandtransit9626
      @robloxandtransit9626 7 років тому

      the r46 had rolling signs when did they change

    • @andreamerino9146
      @andreamerino9146 7 років тому

      Roblox and transit R46 trains were overhauled beginning in 89. They were all done in house.

  • @markhodgson2348
    @markhodgson2348 6 років тому +3

    Somebody has found the secret of visual time travel using high speed fibre optic the photon and the slit

  • @rizalukman7982
    @rizalukman7982 Рік тому

    Thank you for the video.This kind of video is the one that gives me imagination about how America is a developed nation

  • @prestonrodriguez8300
    @prestonrodriguez8300 4 роки тому +5

    The real New York City

  • @ianproduction2
    @ianproduction2 3 роки тому +1

    2:41 what is the music name?

  • @plutobills5359
    @plutobills5359 4 роки тому +2

    The good old days

  • @StrigoiVampire
    @StrigoiVampire 2 роки тому

    it reminded me of the subway stage of the game Final Fight

  • @jeaninelopez5236
    @jeaninelopez5236 6 років тому +5

    I miss the 80s 😔

  • @hornet6969
    @hornet6969 3 роки тому

    1980s ?...Reminds me of 2020-2021-2022 !

  • @xUzi786
    @xUzi786 4 роки тому +2

    I was minus nine years old when this was taken

  • @gli7utubeo
    @gli7utubeo 9 років тому +5

    Great vid. 'used to ride this line back in the 70s to school and work. Thanks!

  • @kennyvalentin4331
    @kennyvalentin4331 9 місяців тому

    Tremendos recuerdos bendiciones...

  • @ivanaguilar3289
    @ivanaguilar3289 4 роки тому +1

    VHS ??

  • @funnyvideos1030
    @funnyvideos1030 5 років тому

    Some things never change

  • @Dan-S-o2q
    @Dan-S-o2q 2 роки тому +1

    Different planet, all together.

  • @tonygamblesyt
    @tonygamblesyt 5 років тому +3

    The warriors...COME OUT TO PLAYYYY

    • @oochiewally2783
      @oochiewally2783 5 років тому

      Ummm that was the 70s not 80s

    • @tonygamblesyt
      @tonygamblesyt 5 років тому

      @@oochiewally2783 1979? That was pretty much the 80s, believe me I was there.

    • @oochiewally2783
      @oochiewally2783 5 років тому

      @@tonygamblesyt so your 60 yrs old?

    • @tonygamblesyt
      @tonygamblesyt 5 років тому

      @@oochiewally2783 Haha, No...I was 12 when I saw the warriors back in 79' I turned 50 last month.

    • @oochiewally2783
      @oochiewally2783 5 років тому

      @@tonygamblesyt oh aight im 42 my uncle was a housing cop in Brooklyn by coney island ..was pretty bad there

  • @antonbiohacking
    @antonbiohacking 8 років тому +25

    Almost nothing has changed over the last 40 years. It is just as hideous today. Any other subway system (Paris, London, Berlin) puts that of NY to shame.

    • @isunlloaoll
      @isunlloaoll 7 років тому +19

      Anton Chamkin Exactly. I'm native new yorker and son of immigrants. When I hear new immigrants say, "Oh the Shanghai subway is much cleaner, and modern", I get so triggered. Like... When NYC subway was built a century ago, when whatever city you're from didn't even know what a subway is. People all around the world know what new York subway look like. Countless movies are shot on nyc subways, and stations. God, it makes me mad why people don't appreciate how unique nyc subway system is.

    • @paulwilliams2024
      @paulwilliams2024 7 років тому +3

      Anton Chamkin expect NY subway is 24/7 !

    • @thegentleman5409
      @thegentleman5409 6 років тому

      They’re finally redoing the majority of subways which is something that should’ve happened 10 years ago but it least they system is getting updated

    • @3markaw
      @3markaw 6 років тому +1

      I would not exaggerate so much fan boy. Most of them don't run 24/7 nor do many have system wide free wifi. And to top it off many charge you more the farther you go. NYC transit does not and gives you free bus transfers to boot. Not a bad deal. @Vital Mark

    • @frankgrimesification
      @frankgrimesification 3 роки тому

      Best thing I ever did was move out of NY almost 30 years ago.

  • @ItsRich8303
    @ItsRich8303 3 роки тому

    There is a LL train. Please stand away from the platform edge. 0:00

  • @DatamasterCorporation
    @DatamasterCorporation 5 років тому +2

    I'm glad they cleaned up this shit.

  • @Savion947
    @Savion947 11 місяців тому

    0:01 what happened to the F bullet sign

    • @ZlingZlang99
      @ZlingZlang99 9 місяців тому

      That's a L train first of all. And second of all, they had double letter lines in the system in the mid 90s but disconnected in early 2000s

    • @harmonysugarmaple
      @harmonysugarmaple 8 місяців тому

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@ZlingZlang99the MTA has stopped using the double letter routes for their local services in the B division in May 1985, to reduce confusion and to simplify the subway system.

  • @oochiewally2783
    @oochiewally2783 5 років тому

    Missed those swinging yellow doors n tokens

  • @brandercolque6946
    @brandercolque6946 2 роки тому +1

    What Month and Date was in the 1980's?

    • @highburyhoops6074
      @highburyhoops6074 9 місяців тому +1

      1986

    • @brandercolque6946
      @brandercolque6946 8 місяців тому

      @highburyhoops6074 but what month and date was it part of 1986? Do you know?

    • @harmonysugarmaple
      @harmonysugarmaple 8 місяців тому +1

      @@brandercolque6946 the date in question was October 5, 1986. I got that information from a video from 5ninthavenueproject.

  • @fashred
    @fashred 8 років тому +2

    can i use this video clip for a project im making?

  • @cookfortune
    @cookfortune 4 роки тому

    its very cool in 80s here i am in the 2020's

  • @ThePandemonium
    @ThePandemonium Рік тому +1

    Milwaukee protocol anyone?

  • @raymanninja2194
    @raymanninja2194 6 років тому +2

    r46 nostalgia

  • @kevp9601
    @kevp9601 5 років тому +3

    Awesome!!!! :-D

  • @r42fan15
    @r42fan15 8 років тому

    Was That The R44 (A) Or (E) Train Before The R44's Rebuildment In 1994.
    Or Was That The R46 (E) Train Before The R46's Rebuildment In 1991.

    • @q21a27
      @q21a27 7 років тому +1

      R42 Fan No. Those were R46s. In those days, the E were exclusively R46s. The A were R38s and R44s.

  • @vipermjs
    @vipermjs 3 роки тому +2

    you could get robbed or killed at the drop of a hat in 1980s nyc

  • @stereo_stan
    @stereo_stan 2 роки тому

    Awesome

  • @Ascertivon
    @Ascertivon 3 роки тому +5

    I really wish that the subway cars' interiors and exteriors were still covered in graffiti like they were back then; I think that would be really cool. It'd add a bit of New York-esque pizazz to them, too.

  • @flushingrailfanner6391
    @flushingrailfanner6391 7 років тому +2

    Oh the 80s. Where trains still had double letters if they are local.
    But..wait...
    R44s ON THE L?!

  • @trainluvr
    @trainluvr 3 роки тому +1

    2:53 idiot running down the stairs shouts "hold that door".

    • @trainluvr
      @trainluvr 11 місяців тому

      Also near the beginning the woman or kid says the F word as the train leaves. That was me 1000 times.

  • @r42fan15
    @r42fan15 8 років тому +2

    Back In The Days The (L) Train Was Called The (LL) Train.

    • @MikeJ2023
      @MikeJ2023 8 років тому

      R42 Fan stands for lower level of hell

  • @Freighttrainsforever
    @Freighttrainsforever Рік тому

    The only way to get around in New York.

  • @PC-lu3zf
    @PC-lu3zf 3 роки тому +2

    It was more dangerous 40 years ago

  • @adrina911
    @adrina911 4 роки тому

    That look like the A line.

    • @alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2
      @alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 4 роки тому

      Hopefully the modern mta doesn’t get to have a severely rundown system,reverse conditions to 2010.

  • @janetmatthews7973
    @janetmatthews7973 2 роки тому

    Y’all know dang well those trains were not that clean

  • @skendersinanaj1947
    @skendersinanaj1947 Рік тому

    1:00 Sound Like A B Train Departing 145 Street

  • @imadeyoureadthis1500
    @imadeyoureadthis1500 5 років тому +1

    1980s gopro

  • @anacruz7077
    @anacruz7077 8 років тому

    why was the subway closed?

  • @sokunio241
    @sokunio241 4 роки тому

    wait this 1980 ohhhh I thought it was 2020

  • @romeo-santos8214
    @romeo-santos8214 3 роки тому +4

    Crazy , half of these people are either dead or old lol 😆

  • @brendathomas9633
    @brendathomas9633 2 роки тому +1

    0:32

  • @lsenghkawn
    @lsenghkawn 7 місяців тому

    JFK Express, 1978-1990

  • @TheIndependentLens
    @TheIndependentLens 6 років тому +1

    Hey Father! Can you help an older altar boy? I'm a Cat'lick!

  • @selenicdamsel
    @selenicdamsel 6 років тому +1

    I can tell no difference apart from some peoples outfits...

  • @lsenghkawn
    @lsenghkawn 7 місяців тому

    LL train, 1980s

  • @sgnmath1234
    @sgnmath1234 3 роки тому +1

    Where are the ripped jeans, the skin graffiti, the nails and pins drilled in the face, eye, nose ??

  • @bzzarre815
    @bzzarre815 7 років тому

    No knee on their phone

  • @frankwhiteiv831
    @frankwhiteiv831 5 років тому

    If this is the 80s where’s the graffiti??? Must be after 1990

  • @kenpoe3114
    @kenpoe3114 6 років тому

    from 86 oct nov..

  • @7trainproductionsmeets6tra25
    @7trainproductionsmeets6tra25 6 років тому +1

    WHAT THE THE LL?

  • @JoelGalvan-w6y
    @JoelGalvan-w6y 7 місяців тому

    Only the brave.

  • @EfrainSuarezII
    @EfrainSuarezII 6 років тому

    The LL 😮

  • @andykolb6502
    @andykolb6502 6 років тому

    I wonder how many of the people still live today!

    • @WhirlOmar
      @WhirlOmar 6 років тому +7

      Andy Kolb most of them.

    • @stevenasante8662
      @stevenasante8662 6 років тому +3

      Much older, but the 80s were only a little more then 30 years ago, it isn't as far back as it seems.

    • @toutchaynezzz4443
      @toutchaynezzz4443 3 роки тому

      Except the elders, nearly all of these ppl is still alive, this is not 1910

  • @Carlos-nq7up
    @Carlos-nq7up 6 років тому +2

    Looks too clean to be the 80's

  • @deltaorophiena9668
    @deltaorophiena9668 8 років тому +1

    I literally cringed when I saw the skirts women wore back then

    • @oochiewally2783
      @oochiewally2783 5 років тому

      Pleated skirts

    • @Mhel2023
      @Mhel2023 4 роки тому

      ... and I cringe when I see what is being worn today... 2lb. sausage in a 1lb. casing 😂

  • @electricmatusita4
    @electricmatusita4 8 днів тому

    撮影者は上手く隠し撮りをした様だね。恐らくこの時代のニューヨークの地下鉄じゃデカいビデオカメラなんか持って撮影してたらすぐトラブルになったからだろうな

  • @1dering11
    @1dering11 5 років тому +1

    it looks as crappy as today.. :/

  • @JVCHAMP
    @JVCHAMP 6 років тому

    Pet Rat New Yokk

  • @williamerazo1685
    @williamerazo1685 6 років тому

    ll

  • @jianwenli8058
    @jianwenli8058 6 років тому

    LoL an LL train

  • @laurenjamieson8411
    @laurenjamieson8411 6 років тому +1

    Third world standard

  • @Xerdoz
    @Xerdoz 8 років тому +5

    Not to self. Never go to NYC.

    • @JorgeCat78
      @JorgeCat78 8 років тому +1

      way too many liberals here

    • @officerpoopnugget9989
      @officerpoopnugget9989 8 років тому +9

      JorgeCat78 stfu u conservative shit

    • @JorgeCat78
      @JorgeCat78 8 років тому +1

      I'm honored. No really I am

    • @thegentleman5409
      @thegentleman5409 6 років тому +2

      It’s much better now you’ll be fine. Remember this was over 30 years ago much has changed

    • @WhirlOmar
      @WhirlOmar 6 років тому

      JorgeCat78 it's not the new types of annoying liberals. It's the smart classical liberals. Educate yourself and stop being brainwashes.