ua-cam.com/video/2158e0OIRys/v-deo.html Per-Oyvind - you and I have had a discussion before about the direction of push in skating. I have attached a link to a video from Dr. Michael Rudberg from Russia of a presentation that he is making to Russian coaches on the same topic. If you go to 2:30 or so on the video you can see what he believes is the direction of push for V1 or offset. It is, according to his testing, changing all the time and is different on each side. He shows the push direction as starting forward then to the side and finishing back. What do you think?
Tanks Jack for bringing this information and I fine it very interesting. However, it is difficult to understand that to kick forward in the beginning of the push should be optimal. But I fine it likely that the kick direction must change during the push sinc the ski is`nt moving in a strigth line, but is leveling of in the end of the kick. I also think that one pis of the pussel is how the skier is orienting the body on the ski to be in the rigth position to execute the kick in the rigth direction. If you to earley rotates or leavs the ski on the strong side in V1, I think you will Get a very different kick direction than if the first phase of the kick uses the upper body and arms to bring the hip «up on» the ski and knee forward on the strong side. With the center of bodymass in the rigth position before the kick. I think than it will be easyer to execute a strigth kick in the rigth direction. However, I think I must Get a translation of the video from the Russian to learn more, because this is not strigth forward :-)
@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 In every technique what happens in the kick depends on speed, gravity and the steepness of the hill. There is no ONE way to do V1 or V2 or diagonal stride or double poling or any other movement. Each is a continuum - the length of the glide phase, the direction of the push, the recovery, - everything about each push changes. A big issue that I have with most technique instruction is that this continuum is not stated or taken into account and so we see, read or hear - this is how to to V1 or to do diagonal stride, etc. But it is really - this is how to do it at this speed on this hill in these snow conditions. (I have just seen the English translation of this video and you do mention this). And each person is going to try to "solve" the puzzle differently depending on their individual body strengths, weaknesses, flexibility, etc. I think that what Rudberg is showing is V1 up a more gradual hill where in the first part of each push the ski is gliding forward before the pressure is added to start to push to the side. At first I thought he was describing V2 but when you look at the poles in blue it is V1. I think that this is a very "Russian" way of looking at technique. "Long and strong" seems to be the Russian way. It certainly is in diagonal stride. "Modern" V1 is much different - wider legs, shorter pushes, little or no glide. I believe that if you are at a speed or on a slope where you can glide in V1 you should likely be doing V2.
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ua-cam.com/video/2158e0OIRys/v-deo.html Per-Oyvind - you and I have had a discussion before about the direction of push in skating. I have attached a link to a video from Dr. Michael Rudberg from Russia of a presentation that he is making to Russian coaches on the same topic. If you go to 2:30 or so on the video you can see what he believes is the direction of push for V1 or offset. It is, according to his testing, changing all the time and is different on each side. He shows the push direction as starting forward then to the side and finishing back. What do you think?
Tanks Jack for bringing this information and I fine it very interesting. However, it is difficult to understand that to kick forward in the beginning of the push should be optimal. But I fine it likely that the kick direction must change during the push sinc the ski is`nt moving in a strigth line, but is leveling of in the end of the kick. I also think that one pis of the pussel is how the skier is orienting the body on the ski to be in the rigth position to execute the kick in the rigth direction. If you to earley rotates or leavs the ski on the strong side in V1, I think you will Get a very different kick direction than if the first phase of the kick uses the upper body and arms to bring the hip «up on» the ski and knee forward on the strong side. With the center of bodymass in the rigth position before the kick. I think than it will be easyer to execute a strigth kick in the rigth direction. However, I think I must Get a translation of the video from the Russian to learn more, because this is not strigth forward :-)
@@cross-countryskiingper-yvi9028 In every technique what happens in the kick depends on speed, gravity and the steepness of the hill. There is no ONE way to do V1 or V2 or diagonal stride or double poling or any other movement. Each is a continuum - the length of the glide phase, the direction of the push, the recovery, - everything about each push changes. A big issue that I have with most technique instruction is that this continuum is not stated or taken into account and so we see, read or hear - this is how to to V1 or to do diagonal stride, etc. But it is really - this is how to do it at this speed on this hill in these snow conditions. (I have just seen the English translation of this video and you do mention this). And each person is going to try to "solve" the puzzle differently depending on their individual body strengths, weaknesses, flexibility, etc. I think that what Rudberg is showing is V1 up a more gradual hill where in the first part of each push the ski is gliding forward before the pressure is added to start to push to the side. At first I thought he was describing V2 but when you look at the poles in blue it is V1.
I think that this is a very "Russian" way of looking at technique. "Long and strong" seems to be the Russian way. It certainly is in diagonal stride. "Modern" V1 is much different - wider legs, shorter pushes, little or no glide. I believe that if you are at a speed or on a slope where you can glide in V1 you should likely be doing V2.