My friends have often asked me "Why do you like Spartacus so much? Why grail him to 120?" and my response has always been "Because he's just a human. Not a demigod or myth, just a man who rebelled." I will always love the servants that embody the strength of humanity and Don Quixote is no exception.
I think there's one small matter to be addressed: As he ascends, Quixote's armor loses its luster, however the horse girl's outfit becomes more fantastical.
I think that is a reference to the Sanchofication of Don Quixote and the Quixotefication of Sancho (in Spanish, this is called "Sanchificación de Don Quijote" and "Quijotización de Sancho"). While time passes in the story, Don Quixote becomes more aware of his actions, and sometimes, he is somewhat rational (I mean, as rational as a man charging against a windmill could be). However, Sancho starts to be more "heroic." I'm not saying he becomes crazy like Don Quixote, but he does like this ideal of justice and knights because it is better than the reality he lives. And if I remember correctly, you can spot some hints of this in a chapter of the story where Sancho is like "let's go kick their asses" (or something, I don't remember it well) and Don Quixote is rational enough to say no because it isn't the correct thing to do. I remember back in literature class, the teacher explained this phenomenon, and I'm really happy that they reflected this in their ascensions because the influence between people is something very human and I think Cervantes did an amazing job reflecting one of humanity's most human things that is that we are like we are because of our environment: - Start of the story (1st ascension): Don Quixote is living his dreams, and Sancho Panza is a sane peasant. - End of the story (3rd ascension): Don Quixote, or as he is called in reality, Alonso Quijano accepts his reality of an old man who just wanted to be as shining as the protagonists of those fantasy books, and Sancho who enjoyed those adventure times when he was the squire of the "el ingenioso hidalgo" Don Quixote of La Mancha. If someone read the whole thingy, thank you so much, and sorry if something was explained incorrectly, English is not my native language, and I don't usually have the opportunity to put it into practice.
Being summoned from the Throne of Heroes was probably Don Quixote's absolute dream. At the end of the original novel, he died a broken man, his world view shattered. Imagine next waking up and finding himself before a person who basically says "Hey buddy, you gotta help us save humanity". Of course, he only imagined himself fighting a mere giant. I wonder what thoughts would go through his head as he takes on something like, oh, ORT?
It depends on what mode he's in, considering what Klidge said here about him being able to switch between delusional and rational at will as a Servant. Rational Don Quixote: "I... may have bitten off more than I can chew here..." Delusional Don Quixote: "LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Don Quixote is a hero, because he makes people happy with his actions be it directly or indirectly. He brought smiles to people faces when they were in sadness. And even in his death bed, his friends said that he needs to not give up on his dreams or ideal, because the world is build on the backs of dreamers that want to see a better tomorrow. It also possible that don Quixote was actually sane the whole time, but wanted to bring people smiles whenever his story is told and took the form of a madman to not be prosecuted for his actions and to inspire the next generation. That the way I think about the story.
quoting the book by memory "why would you try to cure he who brings so much more to the world with his madness than he could ever achieve while being sane?"
I like it that you don't just summon Don, you summon the entire book. Don himself is straight forward he is short and stubby because that's the metaphorical representation that got manifested, "a tiny madman that took on reality" you can see it in his ascensions as well, the grim truth of the fantastical fading away to reality, but his most powerful form is the acceptance of reality, And for Sancho, she is everyone else in the story, and how she presents herself as the 'positive' characters of the story, the support of Sancho, his steed, his maid and the thing I love in the final ascension is the embodiment of Don's fantastic delusion, Dulcinea is in stark contrast against Don's realization of reality. And the one's that don't physically manifest are the 'negative' characters, the Giant named reality and Cervantes (presumably because of Sancho wanting to write a story of Don and claiming it'd be the best seller [I laughed my ass of when I read that] and that she claims that this wasn't what is supposed to happen to Don, assuming that is Cervantes is talking it'd be a call out to the fact he is supposed to be a parody and not a romanticized story) are hidden from Don himself because they chose Rocinante, Sancho, and Dulcinea to support him and not reality is because this fantasy Don is in IS reality. And i love the contrast of Don being the romanticized version of the story while the hidden parts of Sancho is the nihilist version of the story
My favourite story in Don Quixote was when we won against a lion. He challenged the lion to a fight, the lion didn't react, so Don Quixote won by default. What a guy 😄
So... he was the ultimate chuuni. As a mexican, I'd say the book is a very hard read because of its archaic language and being SO. MUCH. REDUNDANT. Still a good read.
The best part of all this? Don Quixote is voiced by Tobita Nobuo, who also voiced Kamille Bidan in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. Sancho, meanwhile, is voiced by Arai Satomi, who also voiced Fa Yuiry in the Zeta Gundam compilation movies.
Honestly? If someone had told me a year ago that Don Quixote would be in Fate, I would have expected a joke one star character being there for comedy purposes only. The FGO team... paid him amazing respect. He is a good Lancer from the gameplays I've seen, his Horse Waifu is a waifu, he is just adorable in design, he's a 4-stars, and honestly... I'm happy they went with this route. Guess Fate still has some surprises for us, heh? xd
At the encouragement of my italian priest teacher I started to read Don Quixote, it took me 3 months to read book one and 2. One of the best decisions of my life, I cried at the end when Cervantes killed him to prevent any bastardization. Yes he is basically a weeb kight wannabe and the novel does write him of him coming to his senses and regretting, but still despite the minor criminal acts he commits out of failure to comprehend reality he always strives to do what is right (his own right) and did SOME good. They say two wrongs dont make a right, and maybe its my personal bias but the things he did right can be counted by the fingers in one hand and the 99 wrongs he did vastly outnumber them, still nonetheless when you see someone go and strive for what they dream fail 99 times but still rise on the 100th it is incredibly human and joyous to root for this champion of (delusional) persistance he has every right to be a hero and he made it by sheer craziness and grit no super powers needed save maybe his guts skills for when life kicks you (literaly) you pick yourself up right away. T_T
I'd say Sancho has much more potential to be genuine hero. Unlike Don Quixote he is much saner but also eventually come to a admire his idealism. Hell, in his time as that village governor he did more good and proved to be a more competent force of justice than his lord. Even better, he did it by using his brains despite being an illiterate peasant.
my personal read of Don was both a deconstruction of knights and of society, as you said it broke the myths of knighthood as a childish fantasy but also i feel the only righteous person in the story is the one that's a madman and outside of society Also the waking up from the childish dream and facing reality hits me because when my spanish teacher was teaching us about the book she focused on teaching us that knights were anything but shining, literally teaching us how they had to piss their armors mid battle because what are you gonna do
He really is a one senile old man. And it is contagious and is he really drunk from alcohol or just reading books of chivalry old stories which is what said in the video.
Interestingly one of my favorite servants and stories is leonidas and the 300 mearly because it’s a true story. The feats of men standing their ground speaks to me on a very masculine but also human level. It’s also why i was excited to summon sir gareth because of her counter punch kit and wish it was more powerful. The ability to get knocked down and get back up will always make me like someone
In some ways don Quixote did succeed at embodying at least some aspects of a knight even though he was deluded I definitely think he had at least had the heart of a knight and perhaps if he was born in a different time he would have become a Great hero.
This video and Overly Sarcastic Productions' summarization of Don Quixote are the best! One of these days I'll use my NP2 Don Quixote in my future videos.
Gotta say probably the best part of the OG Don Quixote is that Don Quixote its just a old man totally out of his mind doing really dumb and bizarre things due to his mental condition and lets not forget about how the characters that are on their mind react to Don Quixote schizo actions and ramblings.
I'd love to see a BtS of our favorite homicidal daughter Jack the Ripper and the historical significance of the mystery of who WAS Jack and how many people really were accused of being "suspects" during their reign of terror in Whitechapel
There is. Flat summons Berserker Jack The Ripper in Fate/ Strange Fake. A servant embodying the mystery of Jack The ripper, able to turn into any of the theories of their identity, including inanimate objects (as one of the theories was that it was a cursed item), different people, multiple people at the same time (as it was thought Jack was a group), Demons, etc.
I think I prefer osp's take on the story, where the story is a criticism of the chivalric stories at the time. While Don Quixote is having his delusions, he's causing harm to those around him, and more interesting stories are happening around him, like the whole deal with the 4 lovers.
Well, both takes are not mutually exclusive, OSP's take is about society's / The World's / the author's opinion of the Chivalric Ideal vs modern sensibilities, but Klidge's take is about a single man's/the protagonist's pursuit of a dream and the experiences gained throughout that pursuit. A single human is quintessentially selfish, and will pursue what they believe is their "best life", and Don Quixote did exactly that, even if he inconvenienced or even hurt many people along the way (but that's the nature pursuing an ideal, since everybody has their own version of that and they all can't be compatible.)
You know who I forgot was in fate until I rolled him, and then forgot again until I remembered I had him? Salieri. I would be interested to see you do a video on him and Mozart. Also Castoria ate all my QP, so she's stuck at 8/8/10 until further notice even though I have the supplies to get her to 8/9/10 (8/10/10 after the event). I also want to grail her, but don't even have enough to do Lvl 92...
By the way, the x in spanish sounds like an h in English so the XO of "Don Quixote" would sound like you are saying the first vowel of house so you can replace the x with an h and get a closer pronunciation to the original
I thought it was hated on release because it satirized the romantic knight genre that was popular at the time and essentially killed the party for everyone who liked the genre.
I cannot vocalize how hard it hit me when the character next to Quixote said her name was Sancho. Not only is it one of the most common Spanish names, it's also very much not fitting the princess aura of someone clearly designed to be Dulcinea (and also a horse)
As someone who really liked the book in high school I'm not a huge fan of how they adapted Don Quixote. I feel like he's at odds with a lot of the themes of fate zero and stay night. That and my personal reading of the original character is a lot more pessimistic than yours. But I still want to give credit where credit is do and say they did a great job with him. This isn't a Paul Bunyan situation where he has nothing to do with thee original character.
In my opinion, he's EASILY tied for the worst design in the entire game along with that pokemon welfare, such a wasted opportunity because "haha, short fat man = funny". Very disappointing.
@@gerardorivas2811 you know why i did not write any argument? cause its not worth it for me. Besides, its your opinion and i just wanted to write something funny instead of letting your comment to obscurity.
@@Cra-b >"not worthy of my time" >comments again Lmao, what a clown. I don't care if you're butthurt, at least don't be stupid enough to contradict yourself like that.
My friends have often asked me "Why do you like Spartacus so much? Why grail him to 120?" and my response has always been "Because he's just a human. Not a demigod or myth, just a man who rebelled." I will always love the servants that embody the strength of humanity and Don Quixote is no exception.
What is your friend code? Do you have space? I'd love to use him sometimes.
@@changboe8216 449,631,599. NA, and Spartacus is my All slot. Still only at 106 because Servant Coins for one and two stars is oppression.
@@willofspartacus2284 I requested. My IGN is Stan Lee-roy. You'll get there soon man! I'm still trying to get all my appends unlocked for Lu Bu.
I'm gonna add you as well,
I'm leveling Herc because oonga boonga
Agreed, the franchise might treat him like a joke, but I hold what he represents in the highest regard.
I think there's one small matter to be addressed: As he ascends, Quixote's armor loses its luster, however the horse girl's outfit becomes more fantastical.
I think that is a reference to the Sanchofication of Don Quixote and the Quixotefication of Sancho (in Spanish, this is called "Sanchificación de Don Quijote" and "Quijotización de Sancho").
While time passes in the story, Don Quixote becomes more aware of his actions, and sometimes, he is somewhat rational (I mean, as rational as a man charging against a windmill could be). However, Sancho starts to be more "heroic." I'm not saying he becomes crazy like Don Quixote, but he does like this ideal of justice and knights because it is better than the reality he lives. And if I remember correctly, you can spot some hints of this in a chapter of the story where Sancho is like "let's go kick their asses" (or something, I don't remember it well) and Don Quixote is rational enough to say no because it isn't the correct thing to do.
I remember back in literature class, the teacher explained this phenomenon, and I'm really happy that they reflected this in their ascensions because the influence between people is something very human and I think Cervantes did an amazing job reflecting one of humanity's most human things that is that we are like we are because of our environment:
- Start of the story (1st ascension): Don Quixote is living his dreams, and Sancho Panza is a sane peasant.
- End of the story (3rd ascension): Don Quixote, or as he is called in reality, Alonso Quijano accepts his reality of an old man who just wanted to be as shining as the protagonists of those fantasy books, and Sancho who enjoyed those adventure times when he was the squire of the "el ingenioso hidalgo" Don Quixote of La Mancha.
If someone read the whole thingy, thank you so much, and sorry if something was explained incorrectly, English is not my native language, and I don't usually have the opportunity to put it into practice.
I was sure he was going to be a servant but i thought he was going to be a beserker that changes the world around him with his madness
Doesn't mean he still can't be
Aye I see you again in mythology guy
Being summoned from the Throne of Heroes was probably Don Quixote's absolute dream. At the end of the original novel, he died a broken man, his world view shattered. Imagine next waking up and finding himself before a person who basically says "Hey buddy, you gotta help us save humanity".
Of course, he only imagined himself fighting a mere giant. I wonder what thoughts would go through his head as he takes on something like, oh, ORT?
It depends on what mode he's in, considering what Klidge said here about him being able to switch between delusional and rational at will as a Servant.
Rational Don Quixote: "I... may have bitten off more than I can chew here..."
Delusional Don Quixote: "LET'S FUCKING GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Don Quixote is a hero, because he makes people happy with his actions be it directly or indirectly. He brought smiles to people faces when they were in sadness. And even in his death bed, his friends said that he needs to not give up on his dreams or ideal, because the world is build on the backs of dreamers that want to see a better tomorrow. It also possible that don Quixote was actually sane the whole time, but wanted to bring people smiles whenever his story is told and took the form of a madman to not be prosecuted for his actions and to inspire the next generation. That the way I think about the story.
Don Quichad
That's the complete opposite of everything in the novel.
quoting the book by memory "why would you try to cure he who brings so much more to the world with his madness than he could ever achieve while being sane?"
I like it that you don't just summon Don, you summon the entire book.
Don himself is straight forward he is short and stubby because that's the metaphorical representation that got manifested, "a tiny madman that took on reality" you can see it in his ascensions as well, the grim truth of the fantastical fading away to reality, but his most powerful form is the acceptance of reality,
And for Sancho, she is everyone else in the story, and how she presents herself as the 'positive' characters of the story, the support of Sancho, his steed, his maid and the thing I love in the final ascension is the embodiment of Don's fantastic delusion, Dulcinea is in stark contrast against Don's realization of reality. And the one's that don't physically manifest are the 'negative' characters, the Giant named reality and Cervantes (presumably because of Sancho wanting to write a story of Don and claiming it'd be the best seller [I laughed my ass of when I read that] and that she claims that this wasn't what is supposed to happen to Don, assuming that is Cervantes is talking it'd be a call out to the fact he is supposed to be a parody and not a romanticized story) are hidden from Don himself because they chose Rocinante, Sancho, and Dulcinea to support him and not reality is because this fantasy Don is in IS reality. And i love the contrast of Don being the romanticized version of the story while the hidden parts of Sancho is the nihilist version of the story
Just a thing, in spanish, don means sir, its not part of his name.
@@adrianespasandin6883
Eh it's easier to call him don
Also some people also just call someone older as "sir" most of the time
@@WintersTheSixth but in spanish doesnt work like that, the equivalent of calling someone "sir" is "señor"
"Don" is only used before the name.
I always did see Quixotes ending as him regretting his adventure, but the idea of him actually accepting it is so much better
My favourite story in Don Quixote was when we won against a lion. He challenged the lion to a fight, the lion didn't react, so Don Quixote won by default. What a guy 😄
According to the art of war winning by default is the best victory
So don was a military genius
The lion was to afraid to fight the chad that is Don Quixote, he had to surrender immediately. That how powerful he is.
Don quixote is the definition to "never give up"
So... he was the ultimate chuuni.
As a mexican, I'd say the book is a very hard read because of its archaic language and being SO. MUCH. REDUNDANT. Still a good read.
As a Spanish Speaker i almost cried when i saw this guy.
Me too, but becuase of how dog shit the design is.
@@gerardorivas2811 That's also true, but this is how fate works so... i think is good, it can be worst.
The forefathers of Chunni were happy to know it existed that far back
The best part of all this?
Don Quixote is voiced by Tobita Nobuo, who also voiced Kamille Bidan in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam. Sancho, meanwhile, is voiced by
Arai Satomi, who also voiced Fa Yuiry in the Zeta Gundam compilation movies.
Honestly? If someone had told me a year ago that Don Quixote would be in Fate, I would have expected a joke one star character being there for comedy purposes only.
The FGO team... paid him amazing respect. He is a good Lancer from the gameplays I've seen, his Horse Waifu is a waifu, he is just adorable in design, he's a 4-stars, and honestly... I'm happy they went with this route. Guess Fate still has some surprises for us, heh? xd
At the encouragement of my italian priest teacher I started to read Don Quixote, it took me 3 months to read book one and 2. One of the best decisions of my life, I cried at the end when Cervantes killed him to prevent any bastardization. Yes he is basically a weeb kight wannabe and the novel does write him of him coming to his senses and regretting, but still despite the minor criminal acts he commits out of failure to comprehend reality he always strives to do what is right (his own right) and did SOME good. They say two wrongs dont make a right, and maybe its my personal bias but the things he did right can be counted by the fingers in one hand and the 99 wrongs he did vastly outnumber them, still nonetheless when you see someone go and strive for what they dream fail 99 times but still rise on the 100th it is incredibly human and joyous to root for this champion of (delusional) persistance he has every right to be a hero and he made it by sheer craziness and grit no super powers needed save maybe his guts skills for when life kicks you (literaly) you pick yourself up right away. T_T
I'd say Sancho has much more potential to be genuine hero. Unlike Don Quixote he is much saner but also eventually come to a admire his idealism. Hell, in his time as that village governor he did more good and proved to be a more competent force of justice than his lord. Even better, he did it by using his brains despite being an illiterate peasant.
my personal read of Don was both a deconstruction of knights and of society, as you said it broke the myths of knighthood as a childish fantasy but also i feel the only righteous person in the story is the one that's a madman and outside of society
Also the waking up from the childish dream and facing reality hits me because when my spanish teacher was teaching us about the book she focused on teaching us that knights were anything but shining, literally teaching us how they had to piss their armors mid battle because what are you gonna do
All i can say for Don Quixote is...
"Koko nara INAKUNARE!!!!!"
Now Limbus Company has Don that is a gremlin
I came back to this after canto 7, if i had a nickel every time a game genderbended Sancho
I can tell you had a LOT of fun making this one
I love this man
So he's the worlds first and oldest Chuuni.
He really is a one senile old man. And it is contagious and is he really drunk from alcohol or just reading books of chivalry old stories which is what said in the video.
I wasn’t aware Fafnir is depicted as being near immortal. But like Arnold said in the Predator movie “if it bleeds, we can kill it”
Well, Siegfried is invunerable *because he drunk its blood,* don't?
I'm just happy that Fate finally has a horse girl.
We were so close with Red Hare...
Him and Fischl would get along nicely I think
Ah yes, our héroe de la justicia
Interestingly one of my favorite servants and stories is leonidas and the 300 mearly because it’s a true story. The feats of men standing their ground speaks to me on a very masculine but also human level. It’s also why i was excited to summon sir gareth because of her counter punch kit and wish it was more powerful. The ability to get knocked down and get back up will always make me like someone
In some ways don Quixote did succeed at embodying at least some aspects of a knight even though he was deluded I definitely think he had at least had the heart of a knight and perhaps if he was born in a different time he would have become a Great hero.
This video and Overly Sarcastic Productions' summarization of Don Quixote are the best!
One of these days I'll use my NP2 Don Quixote in my future videos.
I don’t know why but I’m excited for him to come out on NA
Behind the servant bradamante. That's where I'd like to be.
Good news! She was covered in the Matter of France video I did a while ago
Don Quixote... Deranged old man who tried to revive chivalry on his own. Yeah... He's a must summon for me. Far too funny to pass up.
This channel is water to a thirsty fate mind. Like Hanniba supposedly said, "I can only thank the fates that you are here"
Hmmm I think for next servant maybe Doemon (aka clown corruptor) or Scheherazade (storyteller of 1001 Nights) Behind the Servant
Been waiting for this!!!
Amazing video I honestly can't wait in NA for his part
I read and re-read don quijote but still i'm watching your video because they're always funny
Gotta say probably the best part of the OG Don Quixote is that Don Quixote its just a old man totally out of his mind doing really dumb and bizarre things due to his mental condition and lets not forget about how the characters that are on their mind react to Don Quixote schizo actions and ramblings.
I'd love to see a BtS of our favorite homicidal daughter Jack the Ripper and the historical significance of the mystery of who WAS Jack and how many people really were accused of being "suspects" during their reign of terror in Whitechapel
There is. Flat summons Berserker Jack The Ripper in Fate/ Strange Fake. A servant embodying the mystery of Jack The ripper, able to turn into any of the theories of their identity, including inanimate objects (as one of the theories was that it was a cursed item), different people, multiple people at the same time (as it was thought Jack was a group), Demons, etc.
12:49 EMIYA/Shirou Emiya: “first time?”
Don Quixote is chuuni in servant form.
I think I prefer osp's take on the story, where the story is a criticism of the chivalric stories at the time.
While Don Quixote is having his delusions, he's causing harm to those around him, and more interesting stories are happening around him, like the whole deal with the 4 lovers.
Well, both takes are not mutually exclusive, OSP's take is about society's / The World's / the author's opinion of the Chivalric Ideal vs modern sensibilities, but Klidge's take is about a single man's/the protagonist's pursuit of a dream and the experiences gained throughout that pursuit. A single human is quintessentially selfish, and will pursue what they believe is their "best life", and Don Quixote did exactly that, even if he inconvenienced or even hurt many people along the way (but that's the nature pursuing an ideal, since everybody has their own version of that and they all can't be compatible.)
You know who I forgot was in fate until I rolled him, and then forgot again until I remembered I had him? Salieri. I would be interested to see you do a video on him and Mozart. Also Castoria ate all my QP, so she's stuck at 8/8/10 until further notice even though I have the supplies to get her to 8/9/10 (8/10/10 after the event). I also want to grail her, but don't even have enough to do Lvl 92...
By the way, the x in spanish sounds like an h in English so the XO of "Don Quixote" would sound like you are saying the first vowel of house so you can replace the x with an h and get a closer pronunciation to the original
Don as in DON-'t, Qui as in KI-logram, Xo as in HO-me and Te as in TE-mper.
don key-hoh-tay
Jokes on you I don't have soles on my shoes
in a way emiya is a lot like don.
I feel very sorry for Sancho after listening to this.
He actually enjoyed the "adventure" and if i remember correctly at the end of the book he tells his wife how cool and fascinating being a squire is.
@@Amahankage2004 well so long as he had fun I guess
Sancho is that friend that has to stay sober while his friend gets drunk and act all the way home like you should expect from someone intoxicated
I'm actually quite glad that the OM fandom hasn't vandalized this comment section.
I really wanted Miguel de Cervantes as a servant instead of Don Quixote. Looking forward to waiting 2 years to get my expectations subverted.
Good video, just a little thing, Don is not a name, is Lord in Spanish, so call Don Quixote just Don is wrong.
Fair point. Good to know!
I thought it was hated on release because it satirized the romantic knight genre that was popular at the time and essentially killed the party for everyone who liked the genre.
Do arcueid
I cannot vocalize how hard it hit me when the character next to Quixote said her name was Sancho. Not only is it one of the most common Spanish names, it's also very much not fitting the princess aura of someone clearly designed to be Dulcinea (and also a horse)
So, apparently they turned Sancho into Dulcinea. Godammit Japan.
As someone who really liked the book in high school I'm not a huge fan of how they adapted Don Quixote. I feel like he's at odds with a lot of the themes of fate zero and stay night. That and my personal reading of the original character is a lot more pessimistic than yours. But I still want to give credit where credit is do and say they did a great job with him. This isn't a Paul Bunyan situation where he has nothing to do with thee original character.
You are aware that you butchered his name pronounce, right
In my opinion, he's EASILY tied for the worst design in the entire game along with that pokemon welfare, such a wasted opportunity because "haha, short fat man = funny".
Very disappointing.
Nah, scherazade is the worst design. She looks like a plastic surgeons nightmare
cope
@@Cra-b very compelling argument, but I like how you can't really provide any thoughts to my statement which just proves me right.
@@gerardorivas2811 you know why i did not write any argument? cause its not worth it for me.
Besides, its your opinion and i just wanted to write something funny instead of letting your comment to obscurity.
@@Cra-b >"not worthy of my time"
>comments again
Lmao, what a clown. I don't care if you're butthurt, at least don't be stupid enough to contradict yourself like that.