Did Caste Create Diversity in India?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Swapan Dasgupta interviews Rajiv Malhotra and Vijaya Viswanathan on their book Varna, Jati, Caste, at the Delhi University LitFest. Explained the evolution of Marxism into Critical Legal Theory, then to Critical Race Theory (Wokeism) and currently the Critical Caste Theory sweeping across America. Rajiv explains that the new US ambassador to India has publicly stated his ambition to pressure India into Wokeism. They discuss the Mahindra and Lakshmi Mittal funding of Harvard that attacks India
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Rajiv how do I convince young Indian Americans that they need to be proud and courageous to stand and Say I am Hindu
You can't
Read his books.
By practicing it urself. Without expectations from them. If u ooze that pride/gratefulness urself in ur own life, people will automatically gravitate towards it. It’ll take time and effort.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
The issue is that you had a thousand years to muster the courage and overcome your adversaries, but you didn't. This suggests that you cannot do it now.
Pleasure to see Swapan Da on a Platform and on screen after a while 😊👍🏽🙏🏽🇮🇳
Jati Varna was the main thing that has stopped mass conversion (We r not born sinners we are born Divine)
Varna is Profession and Gotram is Lineage or Caste, Hindus don’t marry in same Gotram or Caste because it’s considered same bloodline hence we don’t marry between bothers and sisters.
My ass
Why don’t you publish your books through well known publishers so that foreign scholars can respond?
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
@@alpeshmittal3779 In Hindu Dharma, especially birth based caste is a recent times colonial imposition, however Varna (Occupation) was the original one, in Varna there was no upper or lower, people chose the work of which they are qualified for, and according to Bhagavad Gita, anyone can be a Brahmin (Teacher, Scholar profession), Shatriya (Warrior, Army profession), Vaishya (Trader, Business profession), Shudra (Other social workers) based on as per their skills, knowledge, and capabilities:
🔹In Bhagavad Gita 4:13, Krishna says that he created different Varnas [Profession] on the basis of one's Karma [Activities] and Guna [Characteristics].
🔹Bhagavad Gita 5:18 “The truly learned, with the eyes of divine knowledge, see with equal vision a Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and a dog-eater”
🔹Bhagavad Gita 9:29 “I am equally disposed to all living entities: there is neither friend nor foe to Me: but those who with living sentiments render divotional service unto Me, such persons are in Me and I am in them.”
🔹Bhagavad Gita 18:41 “The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are distributed in accordance with their Guṇas [Characteristics].
(Nothing comes with the birth except some divine Characteristics).
Caste is an English term derived from the Spanish term “Casta” which stands for 'Breed' or 'lineage'.
During earlier times, “Caste” use to be Varna (Profession) and based on Guna (Characteristics) and not merely just by birth. Instances from the ancient times proves that a so-called modern day “lower caste” can educate oneself with knowledge and change their Varna (Profession) to “upper caste”, e.g., Guru Valmiki, Kabir Das were from a Shudra family but became a Brahmin based on Guna (Characteristics or Essence), Ravana and his younger brother Kumbhakarna were Brahmins (educated person) from Northern India but because of their notorious Karmas (activities) all were punished by Shri Rama (believed to be an OBC if we abide by today's caste categorization).
Lastly, you have to understand the British motive behind imposing the caste system:-
The Caucasians (Europeans) created Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, Africa, to divide and control the native population, and for this reason, the Rwanda Genocide occurred. The same attempts and inequalities Europeans also tried to create amongst Indians by separating Northern India and Southern India into “Aryans” VS “Dravidians” and further dividing Hinduism into 3,000 castes and 25,000 sub-castes.
Read about Herbert Hope Risley who created casteism, racism in Indian society by one's facial features and skin color, and Bishop Robert Caldwell who coined the term “Dravidian” and propagated the “Aryan Invasion” in Southern India to convert Southern Indians into Christianity.
And read these books (1) Castes of Minds by Nicholas Dirks, (2) Western Foundations of the Caste System
Pranam guruji.
We need a large amount of research that is needed to systematically deconstruct the history of varna and jati.
I just hate the fact that we equate varna and jaati with caste. Even Rajiv ji did that in this debate. Either equate caste to jaati or varna. We cannot win battle if we are using leftist language to fight back.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
I think we're done with caste system it's no longer relevant in India and we can let it die a peaceful death.
Reservation and politics are keeping that thing alive. Get rid of reservations and see how fast caste system will die
great work
sir, its the brand value which IV leagues brings in.
harvard, yale, etc. majority of the iv leagues were owned by the brit lords who were stationed in india and all the loots they brought in could not help them survive in brit because they lost their humanity while the colonic period stationed in Bharat. so they had to move out, some went to us and created he so called philanthropic places from the loots
its almost funny that very less people talks about this
Jai Shri Ram
Rajiv ji,,
Modi is listed under alumni section of ACYPL website. Do you think Modi is trained by USA??
The small attendance is a telling commentary on the primacy that is being accorded by the organisers. Thanks to youtube this reaches a larger audience. But that is just not enough.
I want to connect to you as History Scholar.. pls provide me chain, how to connect..
Link in description of the video
I agree school system needs to be improved. Let us not encourage children to have sheep’s mind, they should be encouraged to have curious minds how do use their minds to find solutions. Apeing minds are good at imitations .and are limited.
Whst must have prompted him...
The age old daying. ."the yonder you are the fonder you grow"!
Is it not possible to get this message across to Mahindra, Mittal, & the other millionaires?
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
@@alpeshmittal3779
caste discrimination is definitely not a "religious" problem and nowadays nobody bothers about caste, religion etc. and everyone has equal opportunity to work hard & prosper. In fact, the so called lower castes have all sorts of reservations & privileges & unionism, all of which is misused & for discriminating among themselves - among their own rich & educated against their poor!
And to say that Gita is trying to implement varna system & discrimination is ridiculous, because those who read & understand the Gita are really enlightened souls and you will not find any human being who embraces the Gita but discriminates among fellow human beings.
And please remember, if there is caste discrimination, then it is there in ALL religions.
@@alpeshmittal3779
Besides, times have changed & caste discrimination has long since been abolished, and the present generation is not even aware of those practices nor are they discriminating. They are not responsible for the past, but just to promote a certain narrative the left liberals, wokes, are clutching at any straw.......
@@sheilasekhardon't waste time responding. He must be a fake ID just like a million others who would just come out of the blue, post BS and disappear in thin air.
@@sheilasekharnot really. You didn't provide any refute to proofs I have provided. Atleast in Islam and Christianity there is no caste system. Its truly a indic concept
As and when the Hindus who're now branded as 'sheduled' castes are brought into mainstream Hindu lives and routinely do rituals like upanayanum and be priests temples etc, then only one could presume that the Hindu society moved past the practices of the so-called hierarchical caste system. As provided in the scripture, Varnas are part of natural order. Children of same parents might born with different Varnas. Every 'castes' have all the Varnas as a natural occurrence of divinely order. Attempt to straight jacket each of the Varnas in to jatis and enforcement as such have imposed all the trauma in the Hindu society and perhaps the cause of several of rebel faith systems getting sprouted out of Hinduism across the millennia.
The colonials have entrenched this cast division so much that even Indians are believing in it .Truly every Sanatan Dharm followers should object to this in every social media forum ,books should be reprinted with facts and some "influencers" should be hired to promote this truth .This colonial lie should be really reaching the main stream .
*we must support gharwapsi organisations like sanjeev newar's organization Agniveer and buy their books for children specially for girls from kritinova coz Demographics n narrative war is going on* .
Why we have to go to U S and not stay in our own country. It is strange that we should tell American universities what they should teach., instead of learning from their criticism and improving ourselves
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Wasn't the dalit caste created during this Yuga? Who created it and why? Is it possible the dalits are the warriors of old?Wasn't the caste system meant to ensure a good fit between the individual (and their gunas) and their roles in society vs. the nepotism/cronyism du jour that ensures we are led by the feet rather than the head? Also, wouldn't the Vedic caste system - as it was meant to be employed - ensure that our leaders would be of sound mind? Just thoughts
Dalit is not a caste name. "Deena dalitha" phrase is used in Sanskrit to refer to weak and downtrodden. As per that definition, brahmin also can be a deena / dalitha. There are many examples used in Sanskrit social literature.
In Mangaloare area, there is a SC caste called Koraga. They really were treated as untouchable by all. They were forest dwellers. Rest of society had exchange in terms of buy/sell forest produce and village produces.
British drove them out of forest. Now the non-Koraga society does not know how to deal with them (probably).
All OBC communities had been rulers / military, including Ambedkar's Mahar caste.
Neo-communists in both left-wing and right-wing India do not allow neutral debate on Jati - Varna , Ashrama concepts. The moment we start clarifying they start accusing that Brahmins want to bring back Varna and untouchability. These people are the real villains.
The term “Dalit” means 'Broke', derived from the Sanskrit term Daridra (दरिद्र) which means 'Poor', and anyone can be a 'Dalit' if can't afford basic human necessities.
And the "Dalit" caste is the most recent creation, it became a “caste” specific during the British colonization.
Daliths were true Indian moolnivasis who were taken advantage of by cunning vedic people.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were charged to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The Brahmins learned and propagated the Veda's,
Kshatriya's fought against enemies,
Viswakarmas made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
Vaishyas did the trade, shudras did the farming
11:47 - Nothing "bizzare" about it! These are classic features of "inferiority".
Frist of all we should not hide ourselves by refusing the jati varna or 'cast' system.
And ask
-what kind of socity, organization, government, corporation or any establishment function without hierarchy?
-Is Hinduism the only religion with those idea ? What about Buddhist, muslim, Christians everyone has its own cast system..
-Where those claim of cast discrimination are coming from? Authenticity of it and magnitude of it must be in check.
-What was the root cause of it? Does that has any logic or reason in it from all dimensions and aspects...
-What current socity thinks of it? and how lover cast enjoys the privileges just based on assumptions..
Those point in my opinion need to be discussed without any fear or restriction in civilized and academic way.
Varna is Profession and Gotram is Lineage or Caste, Hindus don’t marry in same Gotram or Caste because it’s considered same bloodline hence we don’t marry between bothers and sisters.
With due respect a academic study, All Muslims are living in Pakistan/ India/Bangladesh were Hindu and conversion lasted from last 1000 years. The reason behind conversion was Caste System and there is No Caste system in Islam/ Christianity/ Judaism. In these three religion everyone is equal . If you find the root cause of this Caste System was basically on Economical Conditions at that period. You might know one Punjabi word ' Kammi' means you are doing inferior jobs. Imagine 3000 years old civilization and society structure, it was evolved for Rulers. Similarly British Raj developed Economical structure like that without involving Religion. Basically It was Economics/Slavery. We assume history in today's perspectives. Americans prohibited/ abandoned Slavery but developed Mental Slavery through Multinationals. What will you call Branded or Brand Concious. Think in this direction also.
@@ashrafalam6075 Accha, then what are Ashrafis, Sharifs, Pathans, Syeds, Sheikhs, Mughals, Ansari, Ajlaf, Arzal, Atraf, Pasmanda, etc castes?
Shia, Sunni, Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahmadiyya, Hazaras, Ismaili, Zaydi, etc, sects
Believe it or not, Islam has casteism, racism, colorism, sectarianism and all that, Prophet himself said that Islam will be divided into 73 sects, with 72 sects going to hell and with only one sect going to Paradise/Heaven.
Source: 🔹Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2640: "that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The Jews split into seventy-one sects, or seventy-two sects, and the Christians similarly, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects."
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❝ Non-Arabs who without shame, called themselves Muslims are just plain Converts whom are lowly cowards with unhonourable souls that were overwhelmed with ease by the Swords of Allah, thus they deserved to be called as our Dogs.❞
- Mohamad Al-Arefe (Prominent Arab Ulema)
@@ashrafalam6075 With same amount of respect,
Please consider that study factor in the atrocities done by invader on non-believer and incentives for being in faith of islam.. that will draw a proper conclusion brother.
There are 72 sect in islam in my understanding (as i study religion for enlighten my knowledge ) and many sub sects, and believe it or not there is inferiority in between. Ahraf , ajalaf, pashmanda, quadri(communities).. and ahmediya is not even consider as muslim by some.
Otherwise i agree with your rest of the
statements.
And i just said it as a counter to your point nothing personal against any community or religion. Hope you get it as well with all due respect. ✌️
Skill tripping was started by Hinduism. Until few centuries ago, Hindu Vedic system allowed only Brahmins to get educated. Education was never given to the working class. Instead, they were converted to untouchable slaves. They were never remunerated for the work they did. They were fed and clothed with the leftovers in their masters house for a meagre hand to mouth existence.
The foreign invasions showed that Hindu religious practices were of no benefit to India. It didn't help the Kings to protect our borders. We became slaves of the children of other gods. This happened at a time when India was very prosperous and was practising Vedas. And the invaders were poorer than us and didn't have the benefit of Vedic knowledge and rites.
This shows that our belief in Vedic system betrayed. Where were our gods at that time?
Pl do some research... or atleast listen to these videos at length before questioning...
U will get ur answers for sure then u r form an opinion
@@indu5215 You have never interacted with ordinary lower-caste Hindus struggling to get a proper education, which was denied to them by the savage practices of Hinduism. The generational theft of their fortunes and untouchability have destroyed them forever. Mr Rajiv Mishra has never bothered to find their problems and how they can be addressed. He has never contributed anything to benefit the untouchables of India whose lives have been waylaid by the brutal diktats of the vedic religion he is trying to promote. He is representative of the upper-caste Hindus.
You are living in some pseudo-historical la la land, my friend. Or maybe you need psychiatric help.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
I would recommend he start eating beef from western Jersey cows. Hopefully your gene will get inflicted with mad cow disease.
Poor audio
This is simply not true that before the British came there was no caste system in India. My ancestor Ram Ram Basu was appointed as a professor in the Fort William College in Calcutta in 1800 to teach Sanskrit and Bengali. Brahmin professors objected because he was not a Brahmin and could not teach Sanskrit according to them. The appointment was held up until the Governor General Hastings intervened. Thus the idea that Lord Risley introduced caste system in 1870 is historically wrong.
just curious how and where did they learn Sankrit?
Was it like that you can learn the Sanskrit but you can’t use it in profession. If cast system was so rigid how your ancestors allowed to learn Sankrit and appointed as teacher at first place? if it was policy that teacher can be from only one community
To discriminate anyone on the basis of his or her birth & to deny them equal opportunity and privileges is simply wrong.
Now Karnataka Congress govt is starting a financial incentive program (from primary school) based on caste.
The only solution to remove modern-day casteism is by removing all kinds of things which represent a “Caste” specific, stating from caste category mentioning system from ID cards, Application forms, removing caste based reservation, etc, also making Upanayana ceremony available for all Hindus or for none, and I hope in few generations the castiesm will vanish from the mind of the people
Repeat after me:
Na Brahmin Na Shatriya Na Vaishya Na Shudra. Only Hindu 🚩🕉🙏
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
Okay, liberal.
@@Astavyastataa Don’t call him a ‘Liberal’, call him a Zimmi or Dhimmi. He is just one step away to pay his die Jizya to his owners.
Mother India Is Not Just a Country She's The Mother of Many Nations Across The Globe 💪🏼🇮🇳🇬🇾🇹🇹🇸🇷
Like which nations?
@@avnishpanwar9502 there is a little India and every nation 🚩🇮🇳🇬🇾🇹🇹🇸🇷💪🏼
@@avnishpanwar9502 Exactly, most your people are such sentimentalists!
@@darlenewaldron3621Most people on the planet earth are like that 😂
@@rajgop-vn9fi Not people in developed countries. Otherwise they can't develop because that requires logic and reasoning.
Why do you not speak on the hate speech in Puran and Manu Sanghita ???
Quran and Puran this two should rectify.
BHAARATH have a library of books, why do you want to concentrate on one text.
Since Indian independence, Brahmins are the most oppressed, deprived and humiliated community. Reservations have denied a lot of deserving candidates reach their full potential. Remove caste from all applications and forms for schools and jobs.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
❤ Bhagavad gita:- chapter 4 verse 13
The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities and activities. Although I am the Creator of this system, know Me to be the Non-doer and Eternal.
❤BG: chapter 9 verse 32
All those who take refuge in Me, whatever their birth, race, gender, or caste, even those whom society scorns, will attain the supreme destination.
And Also,
BG: Chapter 18 verse (41-46)
The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras-are distributed according to their qualities, in accordance with their guṇas (and not by birth).
@@vivektyagi4175now check 18:47. Is Krishna doing mistakes in assigning caste per guna?
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were charged to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The Brahmins learned and propagated the Veda's,
Kshatriya's fought against enemies,
Viswakarmas made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
Vaishyas did the trade, shudras did the farming
Another dumb excuse to keep caste system alive. Do not worry God always be with helpless and persecuted.
ambedkar was brahmin raised and his name is not Dalit name. He never do what buddhist Dalits are doing in his name
Gautam Buddha is awtar of lord vishnu Buddhist are absolutely santani problem lays with anti hindu idea which lyed by that great man...🤐
@@dhavaldhaval3377 Gautam Buddha , Bhagwan Vishnu ke Avatar ho ya naa ho.yeh jyada maayne nhi rkhta hain par Buddhism ke kaaran Hamare ko Dharm jarur nuksaan hota hain.yeh sach hain.mujhe Buddhism koi jyada dikkat hain par anti hindu log Buddhism ko hamesha tool ki tarah istemaal karte hain, Hinduism ko nuksaan pahuchaane ke liye.
@@poojagupta2588not to mention, buddhist did destroy several temples too. It's unfortunately not spoken off!
Who cares? He still hated Hindus.
Caste is work identity. People who practices a particular work and Excell than felt proud by calling themselves under particular caste.
There is no doubt that type of works have different respect.
Teacher and farmers are on top.
Warrior are next and so on.
This may be a reason for differentiate.
Time has changed. Change of jati should be allowed after a certain age.
Bharat's diversity is result of freedom of thought and opinion in Sanatan Dharma. It stems from diversity in nature. Fundamentally speaking, acknowledging diversity is acknowledging natural inequality or genetic variation. Genetic variation is at the root of all inequality. It is nature and we just can not do away with it. This genetic variation results in differential performance in life. Sanatan Varna Vyavastha tries to capture this differential performance. It is just a classification of people based on their merits. Our rishis were aware of eugenics. This is why they advocated same varna marriage and concept of pollution developed. Application of this principle for thousands of years led to formation of castes and social hierachies. However, it was almost impossible to prevent intervarna marriages. As a result you see a little pollution among populations eg presence of brahmin genes among Shudras and vice versa. In my view, today, all varnas are present among all castes.
But by that logic we are NO longer following the Varna system which is based on occupation. So why follow caste system which has been so corrupted and completely irrelevant in today's world?
I'm kshatriya, but still find it very surprising when a Brahmin asks me my caste. Why in this day and time would anyone want to know my caste especially since I have never asked anyone their nor am I interested in it.
@@sonaliv1489a Brahmin asked you say? What's the name?? Because if you can call that person by his varna, so should you be totally comfortable giving the name out. Secondly, his stupidity shouldn't be the representation of the entire community. How preposterous can you be?
@@sonaliv1489Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
Rubbish. Don’t bring in genetic variation to justify the evil of casteism.
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were charged to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The Brahmins learned and propagated the Veda's,
Kshatriya's fought against enemies,
Viswakarmas made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
Vaishyas did the trade, shudras did the farming
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
Varna system is about the work and there is no disrespect to any work. Do the Dharma of your work. You may be a teacher or a doctors or a worker in a factory, Geeta tells us to work with the Dharma which means service to the people. The core teaching of Geeta is to do your karm diligently and with service attitude, follow your Dharm in every work and have faith in Parameshwar.
@mpesks just check the things I mentioned in my comment. It will clearly prove that you are wrong. 🙏
@@alpeshmittal3779 In Hindu Dharma, especially birth based caste is a recent times colonial imposition, however Varna (Occupation) was the original one, in Varna there was no upper or lower, people chose the work of which they are qualified for, and according to Bhagavad Gita, anyone can be a Brahmin (Teacher, Scholar profession), Shatriya (Warrior, Army profession), Vaishya (Trader, Business profession), Shudra (Other social workers) based on as per their skills, knowledge, and capabilities:
🔹In Bhagavad Gita 4:13, Krishna says that he created different Varnas [Profession] on the basis of one's Karma [Activities] and Guna [Characteristics].
🔹Bhagavad Gita 5:18 “The truly learned, with the eyes of divine knowledge, see with equal vision a Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and a dog-eater”
🔹Bhagavad Gita 9:29 “I am equally disposed to all living entities: there is neither friend nor foe to Me: but those who with living sentiments render divotional service unto Me, such persons are in Me and I am in them.”
🔹Bhagavad Gita 18:41 “The duties of the Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras are distributed in accordance with their Guṇas [Characteristics].
(Nothing comes with the birth except some divine Characteristics).
Caste is an English term derived from the Spanish term “Casta” which stands for 'Breed' or 'lineage'.
During earlier times, “Caste” use to be Varna (Profession) and based on Guna (Characteristics) and not merely just by birth. Instances from the ancient times proves that a so-called modern day “lower caste” can educate oneself with knowledge and change their Varna (Profession) to “upper caste”, e.g., Guru Valmiki, Kabir Das were from a Shudra family but became a Brahmin based on Guna (Characteristics or Essence), Ravana and his younger brother Kumbhakarna were Brahmins (educated person) from Northern India but because of their notorious Karmas (activities) all were punished by Shri Rama (believed to be an OBC if we abide by today's caste categorization).
Lastly, you have to understand the British motive behind imposing the caste system:-
The Caucasians (Europeans) created Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, Africa, to divide and control the native population, and for this reason, the Rwanda Genocide occurred. The same attempts and inequalities Europeans also tried to create amongst Indians by separating Northern India and Southern India into “Aryans” VS “Dravidians” and further dividing Hinduism into 3,000 castes and 25,000 sub-castes.
Read about Herbert Hope Risley who created casteism, racism in Indian society by one's facial features and skin color, and Bishop Robert Caldwell who coined the term “Dravidian” and propagated the “Aryan Invasion” in Southern India to convert Southern Indians into Christianity.
And read these books (1) Castes of Minds by Nicholas Dirks, (2) Western Foundations of the Caste System
sorry to say but i dont think indian american even bother about religion your channel mostly watched in india
Not everyone has that same defeatist mindset like you, it’s not just about “religion” it is about their responsibility to protect their origins, otherwise fate like Native Americans will happen with you too.
Change tour religion, but you can’t change your race.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
@@alpeshmittal3779 Caste is not Indian, it's a superimposition of Spanish/Portuguese caste system and English Class system on India, with the objective of dividing the natives and use them against each other while English hold power and work as a mediator.
Caste was a pyramid scheme which Europeans sold to Indians via their English imposition in Indian society to divide Indians into groups/ghettos and make them fight with each other.
@@NativeVsColonial🙂 stop consumption of one sided right wing propaganda and seek truth instead
@@NativeVsColonialcheck history of shudra in peshwa raj which is both prebritish and premuslims.
Check why shivaji was denied coronation by brahmins initially. 😊
Caste system was invented and solidified by the British. We had the varna system based on the profession of the people.
In India it was possible to change
the varnas.
Majority of the kings including Chatrapati Sivaji and kings of Travancore were dalits. They became Kshatriya by a process known as HIRANYA GARBHA.
In 1921 people involved in adultery SMARTHA VICHARAM were charged to other Varna's by the kings of Cochin.
The Diwan Ramayyan Dalawa the minister of Marthanda Varma of Travancore downgraded Brahmins to other Varna's .
No caste is superior or inferior.
The Brahmins learned and propagated the Veda's,
Kshatriya's fought against enemies,
Viswakarmas made magnificent temples like Kailasa temple, Madhura Meenakshi Temple, Puri Jagannath Temple, beautiful palaces, Damascus steel, iron pillor of Delhi,
Vaishyas did the trade, shudras did the farming
Farmers as sudra is another indologist distortion.
Farmers were vaishya. thus majority of indian population was vaishya. Artisans also fell under this category.
All these extortionaist elemnts claiming OBC SC were sudra are just plain lying.
sudra referred to builder eg of temples.
All these were highly prized and valued in ancient bharat.
There was no forced assimilation in ancient bharataa. People were free to pursue a niche for their livelihood.
The major focus was on dharmik devotion to the deva-s. This was across all groups.
the middleman "bania" was a colonial era entity and has been anachronistically conflated with vaishya. It was through these early colonial collaborators that social climbing into colonial "service" jobs came to occupy the mindsapce of most "modern" indians today. Such was not considered ideal before and in fact colonial collaborators were shunned. Even in the west, in america, in the 1920s, corporations made up a minuscule 5% of livelihoods but it has expanded many deciles since.
Hinduism broke India by permanently dividing the people of India using the Varna/Jathi system. So how can the foreigners break us now? Rajiv Malhotra should spend his time reuniting this divided India. Correct the stupidities in our Veda to give confidence to the untouchables about Hinduism.
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
@@alpeshmittal3779 RigVeda happened 3500 years ago. The Aryan Brahmins who came after that changed all that. The Hindu Gods Indra and Brahma who existed before the Aryan brahmins arrival did not have any caste. But Vishnu, Rama, Krishna and other gods who came in the late Vedic period were given castes to create untouchability and rest of the discriminatory system.
Regretfully the brahmins instead of confining to their vaidic dharma take to jobs of other varnas also, but dont allow other varnas to take vaidic jobs and prohibit them from learning vedas. True or false?
False. Nobody is preventing anyone to become Brahmin or priests. The problem is nobody is willing to take the sacrifice 😂
@@rajgop-vn9fi my foot sacrifice
You means to say there is no importance of vedas so don't include these vedas in Curriculum.
@@prasantabagh432 What is your point???
My Questions is very clear.
Why Nehru gets Bharat Ratna instead of these below people who deserve 🙄.
Ramanna Maharshi or RamaKrishna Paramasha or Vivekananda or Yogananada or Jiddu-KrishnaMurthy or SarojiniNaidu or many more who are more qualified than Nehru ?? Do you know that Enlightenment is 100 times higher Wisdom.
Do you think Yogi is just a ordinary Wiseman. ???
Even an ordinary person can have Wisdom.
An Wiseman level is lesser than Enlightened person.
An Enlightened person has achieved much more than
Wiseman.
Your thinking itself is lesser as your mind is only knowledge or GYAN level.
Your mind is not thinking beyond GYAN.
Now, Do you know, What is beyond Viveka 🤔 ??
Can you answer it.
Hindu family/ marriage system is being broken down! American born Hindu kids weddings are becoming difficult, almost uphill tasks. Children want to disown their family names/ identity. They feel there’s no future for them unless they just follow their peers abandoning their families !!!
Please explain more.
D’Souza surname is so classy…
Such inferiority complex 🫡
That is because they have been raised with western education and philosophy, hence they follow western culture. How many Hindu parents in US have put efforts to educate their children about our culture, our itihaas, our scriptures? Leave US, even in India Hindus arent transferring this cultural knowledge to their children, as a result of which children are brainwashed under western influence!
Well vedas rigveda gives definition of four varna, yajurveda mentions definition of chandal and nishadha which is proof of birth based varna system and discrimination, mahabharat has many stories about birth based varna system ( check what " sut" in sutputra karna means) , bhagwat Gita talks about paap yoni etc and says one must do work of varna he was born into no matter how bad he was at it, and never do work of other varna no matter how good he is at it, (bhagwatGita 18:47)....with this context all Gita is actually trying to implement birth based varna system and discrimination out of which caste system originated. So caste discrimination is a religious problem that needs to be addressed.
@@alpeshmittal3779 Please dont propagate fake translations! Bhagwad Geeta shloka 18:47 guides one to do their own dharma, and not another's dharma. The term "birth" is nowhere mentioned in the shloka. I suggest you read Yaksha-Yudhisthir samvaad from Mahabharat (Van Parva). Yudhisthir is telling Yaksha ( Lord Dharma) that if a person who is Shudra by birth is both well read and practising in Vedas, then he is a Brahmin, while a person born in Brahmin family behaves like a Shudra, then he is a shudra. You belong to the category depending on your behaviour, your knowledge, and the way you live your life!
Rand castist hindu