Jack said something about the jaffa staff weapons vs the p90s in an episode that I think applys to the Hatak vs the Daedalus as well. "This is a weapon of terror. It is made to intimidate your enemy. And this is a weapon of war. It is made to kill your enemy."
Funny thing about staff weapons, in XSGCOM fanfic, Earth turned captured staff weapons into staff rifles, basically cut off most of the staff, add stock, iron sights and it became a half-decent weapon. The fact that it basically didn't need ammunition made it better than P90 (and humans already had laser weapons)
To be fair, the latest blocks of Daedelus were given substantial enhancements from the Asgard gifting tech and knowledge to the SGC, so it's not just the product of reverse engineering.
I think this was somewhat explained in the series if my memory is correct, "Adversity breeds ingenuity" the Goa'uld were stagnant for so long that they lost their edge, they couldn't react quickly enough. So many systems were under their control that they didn't need to advance.
it was also explained that they were largely imitative and not overtly innovative, with only a few exceptions, due to their parasitic nature (and a large dose of plot armor) .
The Asgard are a different case. They were pursuing a path of evolution via genetics and cloning. They had advanced so far that they were incapable of natural birth. Their minds had been shaped to the point they could not transfer their consciousness into any other type of body besides clones of themselves. In their pursuit of knowledge, they had lost the very thing that made them able to live. That's what eventually killed them.
In the Ha'tak's defence, it's literally an armed transport. It was never supposed to be a warship. The capital ships Apophis and Anubis use are warships. The System Lords just never bothered building a proper navy and are stuck with a fleet of glorified troop carriers instead once shit hits the fan.
No, Ha'taks are warships, and decent ones at that. The issue is they are thrown against incredible powers. Most engagements they are in are either peer battles, or against foes who use time manipulation as a weapon.
@@gmradio2436 their defensive strength against THEMSELVES means they arent decent warships. They should, in every battle against another Ha'tak, kill eachother almost simultaneously because they fire with all their guns and their shields can take 11 of the dozens of shots.
@@silvercrescent1264 That is a better argument than most I have seen, so let me complement you on that before any thing else. Now a question. Where did the 11 shot average come from? Not being sarcastic or anything. I actually want to know where the average came from as I cannot remember many peer Goa'uld fleet battles. Serpent's Venom between Apophis/Sokar's super ship, the Anubis war, the Replicator war, and some skirmishrs in the Ori crusade. Almost every situation has one faction having a massive edge over the other. The Apophis Mother Ship is one of the most powerful ships in the setting, defeats Ha'rur in 6 shots, but 3 were overkill. Ha'rur's tech is supposed to be close to Ra's since he is family. Most battles against Anubis are tilted by the addition of Ancient and Asgard tech in his forces. Replicator captured ships get upgraded by the Replicators to be comparable to the Asgard. And the Ori Crusade is a mix of all the above, with Ori tech as well. So I would like some context about that average. Then we can make more concrete statements. This is with our bringing up the expanded lore like Ptup, or however it is spelled. A System Lord that laid down the foundation of Goa'uld technology. His forces were noted as being the most durable on any battle field. Apparently he gave Ra his second best defences. This is also considering the limited budget of the show. Many flagships were supposed to be unique and so were the forces od various System Lords. Given context Cronos's ship was supposed to have 4 sides, and Yu's were meant to be more Celestial Empire and less Space Egypt. Hope this is not to confrontational, this is all in good fun.
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly the in-universe lore, The Ha'Tak has only been around since the beginning of Earth's 14th century or 1400's. I believe this is from Jacob Carter/Selmak during the episode Prototype, when O'Neill and Teal'c get stranded aboard a retrofitted Death Glider that had an unknown recall device aboard it, and he's lecturing Samantha and Daniel on the recklessness of the situation they are in right now. So, from that statement we can assume they had Tel'tacs(Cargo Ships), Al'kesh(Frigates) and possibly a much smaller and more primitive capital ship until then, because the Gou'lds don't really innovate tech so much as steal, copy, and repurpose from those they conquer, or straight up grave rob it.
Before the Ha'Tak the main ship that was used was the Cheops, its the ship that uses the pyramids as landing platforms and shows up a grand total of 5 times.
"They didn't even save it to a PDF" makes me imagine one of the System Lords being all cocky at a computer interface, and gradually becoming more and more frustrated because they want to save it to a PDF, but can't figure out how. And then they blast the terminal.
If you save the data on your new upgrades to a computer, then someone could steal it. Just keep the knowledge inside your head where no one can get it.
I remain convinced that the term "staff weapon" is analogous to the term "rifle." In our real world, the term rifle has been used to describe infantry weapons, rifled cannons, and rifled battleship cannons. So, "staff weapon" is probably just the category of Gould energy weapon operating on a specific principle. After all, there's a big difference between a M1 Garand, a 57mm recoiless rifle, and a 16"/50cal naval rifle (USS Iowa guns).
Seriously the only redeeming quality the Goa'uld had was that they were The First and grabbed lots of Ancient Tech. If Asgard were not so busy with Replicators Goa'uld would be nothing more than a footnote in Galaxy's history.
@@bthsr7113 And then 20th Century humans came along and started beating the shit out of them XD Seriously if Earth never started using the Stargate and just developed normally, establishing colonies on other planets etc. then within a century or two they'd build up an industrial capacity to just wipe the Goa'uld out.
@@HubiKoshi industrial capacity my man we dropped a supernova on apophis fleet in season 5 and one of our rogue faction used goa'uld killing gas biological weapon in later season to kill millions of jaffa and several goa'uld an interstellar earth fighting that kind of war would geneva checklist the goa'uld into extinction in quick order
a bunch off people got hold of the screen-used CG models, and by scaling the F-302 for the pilots, they got the scale of that, and consequently the scale of the daedalus. each flight pod of the 304 is the size of an Aircraft carrier... making the overall ship atleast about TWICE that.
Due to the Goa'uld constantly sabotaging themselves, any System Lord that that developed a better design was torn apart by all the other lords to get it plus it was built using unskilled slaves and designed to be operated by barely educated Jaffa. it had the potential to be a absolute beast but never got the chance. The replicators doing simple modifications within MINUETS got the hyperdrive over 800 times it's normal maximum speed and went multiple times even faster later on.
@@gmradio2436 simple lay down. Thinks ya self replicating fucks, is as ya say plenty of room for upgrades. If the ship is not used by idiots. But 99% of the time it was used by idiots.
The Goauld: The most Technologically advanced race, used to winning so much they became the most inefficient fighting force in the galaxy. Goauld lacking in small unit tactics, clearing discipline, weapon discipline, weapon training and generally they dont have any SOP's
No, Goa'uld do have those, as Teal'c, Brear'tac, and Sokar's forces show. Their combat doctrine is just closer to European line tactics. The most relevant comparison would be British expeditionary forces from the age of sail.
So, a few things of note: The Goa'uld as we see them after the start of SG-1 are essentially the Holy Roman Empire not long after the Emperor has died with no direct, recognised heir. The movie establishes that Ra as basically The Guy, with the System Lords as a council below his authority after he schemed and took the throne from Anubis who had schemed and taken it from Osiris. Basically this is the Goa'uld at their most vulnerable, then an actual military turns up to their slave/terror empire and goes "We could take them." And legitimately causes one of the most trusted of the enslaved warrior caste to revolt instantly because it is the first time it's seemed believable that freedom was possible. Then you have, as you said, the problem that every system lord was isolationist and refused to share any technology because they were alway looking for an edge over their neighbour. Which means you can't get the best and brightest all working on a problem and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. I always got the feeling that if Ra had been around, that the System Lords would have been marshalled into a semi-functioning alliance rather than a bunch of people who just agreed not to openly punch each other in the dick. There's also the fact that the Tok'ra had been actively, constantly using sabotage and false evidence to pit the System Lords against each other. Basically using their hostile, untrustworthy natures against them. It's also that this is the Holy Roman Empire, only lords can't just die of natural causes and so are constantly carrying around grudges from millennia ago despite the fact they have literally changed body dozens of times since then. Like, your house is already better than it was. Stop being annoyed that he chopped down an oak tree (Killed a whole town of slaves) a century ago, and plant a new fucking oak tree you fucking twat. Like, the fact they are so incredibly, stupidly petty is why they are just so fucking incompetent and perfect as an enemy. They fucking suck, you can't even trust them when they're working with you because they can't trust anyone to have the same knowledge they do, so they WILL betray you. Like the fact that SG-1 could tell when Goa'uld had actually figured shit out because they acted with humility that they were incompetent rather than enraged at the problem.
I haven't seen the show for over 15 years, but what I remember is that none of the of Goa'uld tech is theirs. They scavenge tech from the infected civilizations and ancient ruins.
@@spinetanium3296 If your tech is made by slaves you fear that you will be overpowered, that's why they lived in theocratic societies that forbid everything new.. They did build ships but without deviations from the divine knowledge.
Yes. Goa'uld do have 'scientists' amongst themselves, but IIRC those mostly seemed focused on reverse-engineering and minor adaptions to salvaged tech. so their progress was likely more small accidental hops than leaps of innovation. I suspect they progressed well early on while they had other relatively advanced civilisations around to pilfer from, but once they were dominant in the galaxy, they suppressed the development of new civilisations (mostly) and so had nobody developing new better tech. for them to pilfer further. Their initial success defeated them, leading to self-stagnation. I'm doubtful the Goa'uld incompetence was the original series intent, but it actually ended up working well with the species and I guess the writers decided to roll with it. The Tok'ra were also interesting in that they not only diverged ethically from their Goa'uld origins, but also seem to have developed their advanced crystal-forming technology on their own, showing an additional attitudinal change beyond just the rejection of Goa'uld lifestyle.
The Goa'uld do have some very capable scientists amoung them, but most are just warlords. Their are a few designs where the Goa'uld even surpassed the Ancients, even if temporarily. The Sarcophagus is perhaps the best example. It is a more stable and useable version of a failed Ancient device.
An interesting thought. If The SGC actually got to keep Cronos' HA'TAK and the Tok'ra lent their expertise as it was the plan originally. Before the whole exploding a sun and being sent to another galaxy happend. The Prometheus and the Dedalus would have looked rather different. Since with the Staff Cannon now mass producible and them being the most powerful ship to ship a weapon the Tau'ri had available. They would have gone to more of a Space Battleship Route. With the Prometheus looking like a cross between the Murasame-class Cruiser form Space Battleship Yamato and the Adamant-class Frigate from Battlestar Galactica Deadlock. And the Dedalus like a mix of the Kongo-class Space Battleship also form Space Battleship Yamato and the Valkyrie Class Battlestar.
Cronos's Ha'tak is implied to be more powerful than the fleet model as well. The following section will sound like tin foil hat conspiracies. Readers, feel free to skip. Cronos's Ha'tak is also implied to be a 4 sided comman variant. I know the model is 3 sided, but hear me out. Their have been numerous Ha'taks through the show that have internal diagrams that show a 4 sided pyramid. The Osiris Mother Ship is the most prominent example. This, Cronos's Ha'tak landing on a 4 sided pyramid and the fact it has its bridge on a face, not a corner of the pyramid, had different flight facing seem to imply it is a different model. The conspiracy is that the show did not have the budget to model several different variants of the Ha'tak, so a stock model was used. That is the conspiracy.
The hyperdrive they have in the early series was incredibly slow (for a galaxywide FTL drive) something like 20 times the speed of light, so it took a year to get from Teal'c's homeworld to earth. They got significantly quicker later on. But for the most part they don't really need the ships to be super mega fast because of the stargates, some bunch of primitives gets uppity you just send a bunch of Jaffa through the gate and scare the piss out of them. It's only if they manage to bury their gate you need to go investigate in a ship.
21:50 Teal'c tried that. He tried _ramming_ a Ha'tak into an Ori Toiletship. The Ha'tak broke apart on the Ori ship's shield. The Ha'tak is a flying cargo boat, troop ship and gun platform. It does starship things by tying 'big engine' to 'big steel.' Note: It is so over-engineered for durability that it lasts for *milennia* and humans, ascended cheaters and robot locusts can chiptune the thing to be a viable warship.
The only thing the Goa'uld did better than everyone else was. Make their capital ships larger on the inside than the outside. That's how they can fit a 4 sided Pyramid inside of a 3 sided Pyramid ship. And still have room for 750,000 tons of cargo, several 100,000 plus troops, several hundred fightercraft. Some light bombers and heavy troop transport ships. The Goa'uld are shown to use what many fans refer to as (flat space) or some form of dimensional folding in their technology to fit something huge into something small. You would think at some point they stole Doctor who's tardis and got a handle on its spacial manipulating technology.
The original Ha'tak, from the first Stargate movie, was four-sided, but it was owned by Ra, one of the first, and oldest, System Lords. It's not unreasonable that later generations would.... cut corners.
I remember the alkesh working well in their job, not sure if it's better designed or because they were piloted by jaffa who were actually qualified for the job.
We do see the "Super Ha'tak" from time to time, as Apophis' flagship after his first return from the dead (he uses it to blow away Heruor, and it is the one that get carried off to another galaxy and meets the Replicators for the first time).
The Throne of Damnation. One of the only ships to beat a Replicator vessel. That thing may be one of the most powerful ships in the setting. Shame it was only in 4 episodes.
The cloaked Ha'taks were used for an ambush though. Apophis and Heru-Er were meeting in the minefield full of weapon-triggered mines for peace talks and when it looked like Heru-Er attacked Apophis with the mine SG-1 reprogrammed his cloaked Ha'taks blasted Heru-Er into oblivion and then protected his flagship from the mines as he left. And the Prometheus had pretty crappy hyperdrive speed before the Asgard upgraded it, the thing took basically an entire season to make it back to Earth after its' first hyperdrive blew up.
One theory I saw that I fond interesting is the Ha'taks in that episode were cloaked BY Apophis' mother ship rather than cloaking themselves. The implications of that are drastic.
For all its issues, one Ha'tak version has an impressive feat. The Apophis/Sokar/Throne of Damnation took on a Replicator infected Asgard ship after surviving a super nova and won. The Throne of Damnation is the one that tanked the super nova. Both feats in the setting ate impressive alone.
Whats crazy is that in the movie it showed and stated that the pyramids were constructed as landing zones for the gold pyramid in the center of the ship, and we see one land. Given the scale shown on the first movie, the given measurement for thickness is wrong already just given further creadence that the show creators have no idea of scale for thier galaxy. Kinda funny.
This was my first sci-fi show, it was the best part of getting home from school. Campy by modern standards but close to my heart. The stagnant galactic empire shaken up by unpredictable humans trope is surprisingly common, mostly in books, especially 80’s and early 90’s.
30:48 Do get the feeling Steve is just thinking of Independence Day… actually Independence Day is kinda like Stargate Lol Alien threat cheesed to death
The Ha'tak probably has escape pods like the little cargo ship the Tel'tak (the ones SG1 used to infiltrate the hellish moon Netu , where Sokar sent all his prisoners, in order to save Sams father). They just are never shown. The are crappy and probably only used by Jaffa since a snake would most likely ring aboard a cargo ship and escape that way. As for the cannons.... most of the 60 something of them are smaller AAA variety to shoot down fighters and bombers while the ship killer and orbital bombardment ones are located in those balls on the superstructure (pair in each ball so 24) and a few in the pyramid itself. As for the Death glider it looks like a Centauri fighter from Babylon 5.
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dont forget that for about 10,thousand year the the Taok'ra (I think that's how that's spelled) the "good snakes" had been actively sabotaging the Goa'ulds efforts to upgrade. its my head cannon that they are behind the design of the worst aspects of the Ha'tak. if that is what the writers intended or not.
The gould (I know it's not the right spelling, but they don't deserve my respect) are so awful that they're kind of one of my favorite Sci-Fi factions. They're only advantage is sheer numbers because they reproduce like crazy & even then they still manage to screw that up by cannibalizing their young for lunch. They're so stupid, it's hilarious.
It isn’t. They use 3-sided „pyramids“ for the Ha‘Tak. It’s a different design, a predecessor to the Ha‘Tak,that used the 4-sided platform. It’s just that they don’t make it clear enough in the show what is going on.
I always thought, that if you gave me 10 years as a system lord i rule the galaxy ... THIS proves me right ^^ Just build a few good ships with existing tech from the HA'TAK and you win most, if not all space battles ;-)
It's wonderful to welcome Steve back! Great to know that the scraps that roll off from the MAsters Table are as nourishing as the content you produce is to my soul! Look, if you at least compared the Death Glider to the "Alien Attacker fighter" from Indipendence Day, i would have understood it...
hilariously, in the early, early days of the show (when goa'uld still seemed powerful and scary) an early book gave one random goa'uld lord a hatak that could blow up a ceres-sized astrological body in one shot. I am not even kidding. Boy, there is a world of difference between what you'd think the goa'uld would be if all you ever saw is season one compared to anything after.
In Season 6 Episode 17: Disclosure, at around 9:50 they have an image of a Ha'tak that actually shows that it is elongated. Can't unsee that now that you pointed it out...and yes it actually irritates me now. At least they have a point between the arms on that side however, and a recess on the opposite side with the equilateral triangle. Though what should be the front is actually the back...
Honestly it's a pity the Tau'ri never ended up adding Goa'uld ships like HA'TAK and Al'kesh to their fleet. Especially after the battle of Dakara. There were over 100 of them as spoils of the battle and really doubt the SGC didn't ask for half a dozen or so as their cut of the spoils. And with Teal'c and Bratac there, I very much doubt the Jaffa would have said no. It would have been awesome if The Battle of the Void, against the two hiveships that were making their way to the Milky Way. Happened at the doorstep of our galaxy with a trio of Asgard Upgraded HA'TAKs With the SGC insignia on the sides when to engage the Wraith.
They'd have been best used as carriers for 302's. Otherwise, breaking the ships for exotic materials to build more of the Tauri naval assets would have been smarter.
Shipbreaking the Ha'taks is not an option until season 9. SG1 simply don't have the infrastructure for it. The upgrade plan would be surprisingly more effective. People forget that the Ha'tak is very upgradeable.
@@bthsr7113 Even natively. So'kars ships were more capable, and even SG1 can upgrade them with a box of standard tools. The Goa'uld may be running Ancient tech with minimal education, but it is still Ancient tech. Move 3 crystals and a zat blast can double their hyperdrive speed.
SCIENCE INSANITY: i beg you, please look at the Bill McCay books, a direct sequel to the OG film that concluded right as the show began. the Goa'uld suffer from FAR less dumb and lame. FUN FACT: there are no ancients at all in the Bill McCay books, as they predate that whole idea. BADASS fact: in the McCay books, Oneil regularly used whole armies with tanks, and helicopters, backed with any artillery that can be fit through stargates.
I mean, it wasn't "stagnation" so much as "anyone who invented anything tried to keep it a personal secret for use in an emergency. And thus most innovation gets lost with the creator"
They could advance when threatened, but that is the catch. When threatened. Nothing IN the Milky Way was a threat to the Goa'uld Empire. Even the Tolin could be avoided by not going into orbit.
@@gmradio2436 for the first half of SG-1, sure. But the second half of the series has the Go'uald threat downgraded, especially if you compare them to the replicator.
@@travisbishop782 That is arguable. Seasons 1 through 7 were focused on the Goa'uld threat as primary antagonist, the Replicators become a major threat in season 7 and defeated in season 8. At least for SG1. The Replicators were always a threat for the Asgard.
Steve stumbling through this episode even more lost than usual due to what sounds like a couple of days of sleep deprivation is endlessly entertaining.
That kind makes more sense safe way Star Trek developed transported because they couldn't afford to make shuttles crafts in the original so they used space magic instead.
Steeve might be thinking of the V-wing from Star Wars, which yeah the Death Glider does have that shape. Granted pretty much anything with forward swept wings and two guns sticking out looks like a V-Wing. Edit: not the clone wars v-wing, the rogue squadron one. And the rogue squadron one is even an airspeeder, not a Starfighter.
@@schiefer1103 No, I meant swords. The metallurgy and forging of a sword is more advanced than a spear, and can then be applied to a spear. Before you get defensive, I said ADVANCED, not BEST or MOST EFFECTIVE.
This ship is a glass canon is exactly what it is. It’s devastating when there’s lots of them in orbit and you have no means to defend yourself but a Motum of defense you can shatter it like glass.
Can I just mention the other space Egyptian space ship, the Cairn Class Tombship. It has an actual four sided pyramid on it. Glory to the Necron Eternal Empire
In my experience the space craft that most closely resembles the Goauld Deathglider ist the Centauri Sentri-Class Fighter from Babylon 5. Maybe Steve was thinking of that.
The ship is symetrical. The dimensions do make sense. It is a triangle. Look, take a triange with all sides being 3cm long. Then measure its hight. It is not 3 cm tall.
I find this Talk a Bit silly since goaulds were maturely downplayed later ON for example Jaffa Armor tanked bullets earlier staff cannons ripped nearly people in half with a single Shot also given how tealc and bratac used These staff weapons they we're nowhere near Just a "Terror" weapon
Anubis was never a System Lord and he was the one who created those better shields that withstood that Asgard and in turn that Asgard ship was destroyed and Thor was captured, so yeah, Anubis, when he rolled up was bringing all kinds of upgrades across the board. He was basically the only one of them that ever seem to get crap done, but that's probably because he was half ascended and wasn't a worm anymore, lolz. The more you talk about this ship, the more I realize that you need to watch Stargate again, cause while I agree that these ships were essentially the big bad scary ships meant to be punching bags for the other factions once they got going, they don't get pushed around nearly as much as you're making it out that they were...
Hard data about ships in a Science Fiction show or movie? That has always been a rare thing. The often can't even get the ship size on screen right. Given, that's gotten better since the introduction of CGI, but still. They rarely work out how the ships work in a fictional sense, how the engines, shields and weaponry would shape tactics. The showrunners and writers don't even seem to grasp how making that up in advance can be a vehicle for action and drama. And there is of course the limitation of the budget.
@@gmradio2436 There is that. They don't use CGI to it's full potential. Recently I saw some space battles from a more recent 'Space Battleship Yamato' and that had me wonder. They show the gun turrets on the spaceships, ships moving and the beams follow up on the movement of the ship. So I wondered, why don't we see this better in life-action Science Fiction. Some movies and shows do it, but others go the cheap route.
@@gmradio2436 Sure, but a lot of that can be dealt with in the concept stage. We know it's hard to do a big spaceship on a tight budget, especially if you consider the interior shots and crew you have to show to make it look big. Easy solution, make the hero ship a smaller one.
@@Dreamfox-df6bg Not that simple as at times "The Shot" takes priority over consistency. A few years ago I was reading through everything I could find on the Vengeance from Into Darkness. I stumbled across the LIM interviews where they discussed modeling it. Turns out to make it seem more intimidating, they just had to scale it up.
The Jaffa are humans who have been altered with a pouch for the larval stage of the ghouls this gives the Jaffa immense strength, regenerative powers and longevity, and they become the foot soldiers for the system lords
Even if there were (There probably were many that were better), it's the logistics of designing, manufacturing, issuing, and maintaining that new gun or other weapon which can kill it. Many a proposals died that way. Famous example, F-23. So unless something makes the M2 inadequate or a new gun comes along which does its job much better and cheaper, M2s will still be used.
a lot of the flaws comes down to one simple overarching issue: Ego. Goa'uld ego is what caused them to become stagnant for thousands of years - usually anyone that was like "hey maybe we should improve our tech" was greeted with "you dare question the instruments of your GOD? off with his head!".
Also goauld Tech really depended on the individual goa uld. Take Guys Like he'rur to Guys Like sokar there IS a huge Difference in Tech and Power Not to mention Anubis WHO was Basically the goa'uld super Nerd . The Problem is they dont share that much so when the Goa uld dies their knowledge dies with them
Remember what Jack O’Neill said was this fact the Gould create weapons of intimidation the hatak was designed specifically to be intimidating to scare the hell out of you like the elcesh and the death gliders all were designed to scare the hell out of you. However, humans earthlings build weapons to win wars, so it doesn’t matter how impressive it looks. Oh look it’s that nice orbiting space station with that little dent in the middle that fires a super laser exhaust port open for proton torpedo principal, the shield are impressive until you get inside and then when you drop a couple of Grenades to destroy said shield generators well then you’re screwed that’s the point. The guld for centuries were un challenged except for the immediate squabble between system wards no one dared go up against them in a meaningful way and then you have this upstart forgotten about centuries ago showing up, and they start out class because they didn’t bring toys to scare the hell out of you they brought toys to win .And the the guld who had probably never faced a real enemy since dealing with the Asgard, do you know how to fight a real war therefore, you have a small problem on your hands you may have numbers, but when someone brings a nuke to a blaster fight the nuke is going to win
Jack said something about the jaffa staff weapons vs the p90s in an episode that I think applys to the Hatak vs the Daedalus as well. "This is a weapon of terror. It is made to intimidate your enemy. And this is a weapon of war. It is made to kill your enemy."
exactly.
It's also bullshit, since it's to get the Jaffa Rebels reliant on the USA for supplying their ammo.
Funny thing about staff weapons, in XSGCOM fanfic, Earth turned captured staff weapons into staff rifles, basically cut off most of the staff, add stock, iron sights and it became a half-decent weapon. The fact that it basically didn't need ammunition made it better than P90 (and humans already had laser weapons)
@@HubiKoshiHey, can I get the link? That sounds awesome.
To be fair, the latest blocks of Daedelus were given substantial enhancements from the Asgard gifting tech and knowledge to the SGC, so it's not just the product of reverse engineering.
I think this was somewhat explained in the series if my memory is correct, "Adversity breeds ingenuity" the Goa'uld were stagnant for so long that they lost their edge, they couldn't react quickly enough. So many systems were under their control that they didn't need to advance.
it was also explained that they were largely imitative and not overtly innovative, with only a few exceptions, due to their parasitic nature (and a large dose of plot armor) .
Asgard aren't any better they died off due to sterility and terrible tactics against the replicators
The Asgard never stopped advancing. They were working right up to the end.
The Asgard are a different case. They were pursuing a path of evolution via genetics and cloning. They had advanced so far that they were incapable of natural birth. Their minds had been shaped to the point they could not transfer their consciousness into any other type of body besides clones of themselves.
In their pursuit of knowledge, they had lost the very thing that made them able to live. That's what eventually killed them.
O'Neill naild it when he said Goauld weapons were "weapons of terror" not weapons of "death"
In the Ha'tak's defence, it's literally an armed transport. It was never supposed to be a warship. The capital ships Apophis and Anubis use are warships. The System Lords just never bothered building a proper navy and are stuck with a fleet of glorified troop carriers instead once shit hits the fan.
Not even a transport, it's a fleet of yachts.
No, Ha'taks are warships, and decent ones at that. The issue is they are thrown against incredible powers. Most engagements they are in are either peer battles, or against foes who use time manipulation as a weapon.
@@xXShadDragXx Yacht means hunter. The word comes from small, fast hitting patrol ships. For policing not war.
@@gmradio2436 their defensive strength against THEMSELVES means they arent decent warships. They should, in every battle against another Ha'tak, kill eachother almost simultaneously because they fire with all their guns and their shields can take 11 of the dozens of shots.
@@silvercrescent1264 That is a better argument than most I have seen, so let me complement you on that before any thing else.
Now a question. Where did the 11 shot average come from? Not being sarcastic or anything. I actually want to know where the average came from as I cannot remember many peer Goa'uld fleet battles. Serpent's Venom between Apophis/Sokar's super ship, the Anubis war, the Replicator war, and some skirmishrs in the Ori crusade. Almost every situation has one faction having a massive edge over the other.
The Apophis Mother Ship is one of the most powerful ships in the setting, defeats Ha'rur in 6 shots, but 3 were overkill. Ha'rur's tech is supposed to be close to Ra's since he is family.
Most battles against Anubis are tilted by the addition of Ancient and Asgard tech in his forces.
Replicator captured ships get upgraded by the Replicators to be comparable to the Asgard.
And the Ori Crusade is a mix of all the above, with Ori tech as well.
So I would like some context about that average. Then we can make more concrete statements.
This is with our bringing up the expanded lore like Ptup, or however it is spelled. A System Lord that laid down the foundation of Goa'uld technology. His forces were noted as being the most durable on any battle field. Apparently he gave Ra his second best defences.
This is also considering the limited budget of the show. Many flagships were supposed to be unique and so were the forces od various System Lords. Given context Cronos's ship was supposed to have 4 sides, and Yu's were meant to be more Celestial Empire and less Space Egypt.
Hope this is not to confrontational, this is all in good fun.
Actually, if I'm remembering correctly the in-universe lore, The Ha'Tak has only been around since the beginning of Earth's 14th century or 1400's. I believe this is from Jacob Carter/Selmak during the episode Prototype, when O'Neill and Teal'c get stranded aboard a retrofitted Death Glider that had an unknown recall device aboard it, and he's lecturing Samantha and Daniel on the recklessness of the situation they are in right now. So, from that statement we can assume they had Tel'tacs(Cargo Ships), Al'kesh(Frigates) and possibly a much smaller and more primitive capital ship until then, because the Gou'lds don't really innovate tech so much as steal, copy, and repurpose from those they conquer, or straight up grave rob it.
I mean, it explains why their ships have three sides since now they can't land on the Great Pyramid of Giza.
Before the Ha'Tak the main ship that was used was the Cheops, its the ship that uses the pyramids as landing platforms and shows up a grand total of 5 times.
Just a note, the 1400s is the 15th century. Years 0-99 are the 1st century. A common mistake, but worth noting.
I think the older Cheops was the direct predecessor to the Hatak as well
@@Ishlacorrin In my defense I had three beers already and working on a fourth when I wrote my comment.
Nice to see that Steve woke up from his coma.
Coma? I was told he had been shipped off to learn about new dungeon design.
Considering this video cane out 5 in the morning here in germany he woke up this morning, hopefully with a blue moon in his eye😂
"Fuck your kill death ratio." LMFAO that was too good.
"They didn't even save it to a PDF" makes me imagine one of the System Lords being all cocky at a computer interface, and gradually becoming more and more frustrated because they want to save it to a PDF, but can't figure out how. And then they blast the terminal.
They wouldn't blast the terminal. They would yell at one of their guards to blast the terminal for them.
If you save the data on your new upgrades to a computer, then someone could steal it.
Just keep the knowledge inside your head where no one can get it.
I remain convinced that the term "staff weapon" is analogous to the term "rifle." In our real world, the term rifle has been used to describe infantry weapons, rifled cannons, and rifled battleship cannons. So, "staff weapon" is probably just the category of Gould energy weapon operating on a specific principle. After all, there's a big difference between a M1 Garand, a 57mm recoiless rifle, and a 16"/50cal naval rifle (USS Iowa guns).
You appear to be correct. We have 3 man portable versions, 2 mounted, and 3 vehicle options.
"All of this is trash,
you're trash,
you live in a dumpster,
you're house is dumpster,
and you're trash!"
-An Asgard
Maybe you can help us convince Media Zealot to get going on “sci-fi civilizations too stupid to exist/villains too stupid to win: the Gould”
Seriously the only redeeming quality the Goa'uld had was that they were The First and grabbed lots of Ancient Tech. If Asgard were not so busy with Replicators Goa'uld would be nothing more than a footnote in Galaxy's history.
No.
@@HubiKoshi But the Asgard were too busy, so the Gould had room to establish and bully enemies far primitive to fight back.
@@bthsr7113 And then 20th Century humans came along and started beating the shit out of them XD Seriously if Earth never started using the Stargate and just developed normally, establishing colonies on other planets etc. then within a century or two they'd build up an industrial capacity to just wipe the Goa'uld out.
@@HubiKoshi industrial capacity my man we dropped a supernova on apophis fleet in season 5 and one of our rogue faction used goa'uld killing gas biological weapon in later season to kill millions of jaffa and several goa'uld an interstellar earth fighting that kind of war would geneva checklist the goa'uld into extinction in quick order
a bunch off people got hold of the screen-used CG models, and by scaling the F-302 for the pilots, they got the scale of that, and consequently the scale of the daedalus. each flight pod of the 304 is the size of an Aircraft carrier... making the overall ship atleast about TWICE that.
Due to the Goa'uld constantly sabotaging themselves, any System Lord that that developed a better design was torn apart by all the other lords to get it plus it was built using unskilled slaves and designed to be operated by barely educated Jaffa. it had the potential to be a absolute beast but never got the chance. The replicators doing simple modifications within MINUETS got the hyperdrive over 800 times it's normal maximum speed and went multiple times even faster later on.
Huh. I didn't know the replicators could sing. ("Minuets" vs "minutes")
Replicators tend to upgrade anything they are not eating. And Ha'taks are built on Ancient bones, so there was room to upgrade.
@@gmradio2436plenty of room for upgrading, non used by the idiots. But I'll goce those bots unique credit for what they was.
@@lechking941 Please resend message. Message received was scrambled. Suspected jamming by the Wraith.
@@gmradio2436 simple lay down. Thinks ya self replicating fucks, is as ya say plenty of room for upgrades. If the ship is not used by idiots. But 99% of the time it was used by idiots.
The Goauld: The most Technologically advanced race, used to winning so much they became the most inefficient fighting force in the galaxy.
Goauld lacking in small unit tactics, clearing discipline, weapon discipline, weapon training and generally they dont have any SOP's
No, Goa'uld do have those, as Teal'c, Brear'tac, and Sokar's forces show. Their combat doctrine is just closer to European line tactics. The most relevant comparison would be British expeditionary forces from the age of sail.
So, a few things of note: The Goa'uld as we see them after the start of SG-1 are essentially the Holy Roman Empire not long after the Emperor has died with no direct, recognised heir. The movie establishes that Ra as basically The Guy, with the System Lords as a council below his authority after he schemed and took the throne from Anubis who had schemed and taken it from Osiris. Basically this is the Goa'uld at their most vulnerable, then an actual military turns up to their slave/terror empire and goes "We could take them." And legitimately causes one of the most trusted of the enslaved warrior caste to revolt instantly because it is the first time it's seemed believable that freedom was possible.
Then you have, as you said, the problem that every system lord was isolationist and refused to share any technology because they were alway looking for an edge over their neighbour. Which means you can't get the best and brightest all working on a problem and throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. I always got the feeling that if Ra had been around, that the System Lords would have been marshalled into a semi-functioning alliance rather than a bunch of people who just agreed not to openly punch each other in the dick.
There's also the fact that the Tok'ra had been actively, constantly using sabotage and false evidence to pit the System Lords against each other. Basically using their hostile, untrustworthy natures against them.
It's also that this is the Holy Roman Empire, only lords can't just die of natural causes and so are constantly carrying around grudges from millennia ago despite the fact they have literally changed body dozens of times since then. Like, your house is already better than it was. Stop being annoyed that he chopped down an oak tree (Killed a whole town of slaves) a century ago, and plant a new fucking oak tree you fucking twat. Like, the fact they are so incredibly, stupidly petty is why they are just so fucking incompetent and perfect as an enemy. They fucking suck, you can't even trust them when they're working with you because they can't trust anyone to have the same knowledge they do, so they WILL betray you. Like the fact that SG-1 could tell when Goa'uld had actually figured shit out because they acted with humility that they were incompetent rather than enraged at the problem.
And even then, they did almost take out the Stargate program or even most of earth's population with nasty superweapons a couple of times.
That's an excellent point.
@@bthsr7113mostly as a hopeless tgrash as o considered it.
I haven't seen the show for over 15 years, but what I remember is that none of the of Goa'uld tech is theirs. They scavenge tech from the infected civilizations and ancient ruins.
At some point, they had to have figured out how to build them.
@@spinetanium3296 If your tech is made by slaves you fear that you will be overpowered, that's why they lived in theocratic societies that forbid everything new.. They did build ships but without deviations from the divine knowledge.
Yes. Goa'uld do have 'scientists' amongst themselves, but IIRC those mostly seemed focused on reverse-engineering and minor adaptions to salvaged tech. so their progress was likely more small accidental hops than leaps of innovation.
I suspect they progressed well early on while they had other relatively advanced civilisations around to pilfer from, but once they were dominant in the galaxy, they suppressed the development of new civilisations (mostly) and so had nobody developing new better tech. for them to pilfer further. Their initial success defeated them, leading to self-stagnation.
I'm doubtful the Goa'uld incompetence was the original series intent, but it actually ended up working well with the species and I guess the writers decided to roll with it.
The Tok'ra were also interesting in that they not only diverged ethically from their Goa'uld origins, but also seem to have developed their advanced crystal-forming technology on their own, showing an additional attitudinal change beyond just the rejection of Goa'uld lifestyle.
The Goa'uld do have some very capable scientists amoung them, but most are just warlords. Their are a few designs where the Goa'uld even surpassed the Ancients, even if temporarily. The Sarcophagus is perhaps the best example. It is a more stable and useable version of a failed Ancient device.
Now I'm imagining a compitent British-themed Goa'uld with a decent Royal Space Navy... with the Ha'taks serving as escort carriers.
An interesting thought. If The SGC actually got to keep Cronos' HA'TAK and the Tok'ra lent their expertise as it was the plan originally.
Before the whole exploding a sun and being sent to another galaxy happend.
The Prometheus and the Dedalus would have looked rather different.
Since with the Staff Cannon now mass producible and them being the most powerful ship to ship a weapon the Tau'ri had available. They would have gone to more of a Space Battleship Route.
With the Prometheus looking like a cross between the Murasame-class Cruiser form Space Battleship Yamato and the Adamant-class Frigate from Battlestar Galactica Deadlock.
And the Dedalus like a mix of the Kongo-class Space Battleship also form Space Battleship Yamato and the Valkyrie Class Battlestar.
Cronos's Ha'tak is implied to be more powerful than the fleet model as well.
The following section will sound like tin foil hat conspiracies. Readers, feel free to skip.
Cronos's Ha'tak is also implied to be a 4 sided comman variant. I know the model is 3 sided, but hear me out. Their have been numerous Ha'taks through the show that have internal diagrams that show a 4 sided pyramid. The Osiris Mother Ship is the most prominent example. This, Cronos's Ha'tak landing on a 4 sided pyramid and the fact it has its bridge on a face, not a corner of the pyramid, had different flight facing seem to imply it is a different model. The conspiracy is that the show did not have the budget to model several different variants of the Ha'tak, so a stock model was used.
That is the conspiracy.
The hyperdrive they have in the early series was incredibly slow (for a galaxywide FTL drive) something like 20 times the speed of light, so it took a year to get from Teal'c's homeworld to earth. They got significantly quicker later on. But for the most part they don't really need the ships to be super mega fast because of the stargates, some bunch of primitives gets uppity you just send a bunch of Jaffa through the gate and scare the piss out of them. It's only if they manage to bury their gate you need to go investigate in a ship.
B5 Centauri starfighter looks more like the death glider.
Great Maker!
The V-wing Airspeeder from Star Wars: Dark Empire and the first Rogue Squadron game
for me the first thing that came to mind was the old version of the Cylon Raiders from BSG
21:50 Teal'c tried that. He tried _ramming_ a Ha'tak into an Ori Toiletship.
The Ha'tak broke apart on the Ori ship's shield.
The Ha'tak is a flying cargo boat, troop ship and gun platform.
It does starship things by tying 'big engine' to 'big steel.' Note: It is so over-engineered for durability that it lasts for *milennia* and humans, ascended cheaters and robot locusts can chiptune the thing to be a viable warship.
I can't stop laughing about the countermeasures. It's like what happened near the end of BSG during the stand off. "FRAK!" BAM 🤣
The only bad guys that doesn't have explodium in their consoles.
The only thing the Goa'uld did better than everyone else was. Make their capital ships larger on the inside than the outside. That's how they can fit a 4 sided Pyramid inside of a 3 sided Pyramid ship. And still have room for 750,000 tons of cargo, several 100,000 plus troops, several hundred fightercraft. Some light bombers and heavy troop transport ships.
The Goa'uld are shown to use what many fans refer to as (flat space) or some form of dimensional folding in their technology to fit something huge into something small. You would think at some point they stole Doctor who's tardis and got a handle on its spacial manipulating technology.
The original Ha'tak, from the first Stargate movie, was four-sided, but it was owned by Ra, one of the first, and oldest, System Lords. It's not unreasonable that later generations would.... cut corners.
Steve confusing design for design cross franchise is too relatable, there have been so many.
Accidental badass line "It's a sad life but someone has to do it."
I remember the alkesh working well in their job, not sure if it's better designed or because they were piloted by jaffa who were actually qualified for the job.
We do see the "Super Ha'tak" from time to time, as Apophis' flagship after his first return from the dead (he uses it to blow away Heruor, and it is the one that get carried off to another galaxy and meets the Replicators for the first time).
The Throne of Damnation. One of the only ships to beat a Replicator vessel. That thing may be one of the most powerful ships in the setting. Shame it was only in 4 episodes.
The cloaked Ha'taks were used for an ambush though. Apophis and Heru-Er were meeting in the minefield full of weapon-triggered mines for peace talks and when it looked like Heru-Er attacked Apophis with the mine SG-1 reprogrammed his cloaked Ha'taks blasted Heru-Er into oblivion and then protected his flagship from the mines as he left.
And the Prometheus had pretty crappy hyperdrive speed before the Asgard upgraded it, the thing took basically an entire season to make it back to Earth after its' first hyperdrive blew up.
One theory I saw that I fond interesting is the Ha'taks in that episode were cloaked BY Apophis' mother ship rather than cloaking themselves. The implications of that are drastic.
For all its issues, one Ha'tak version has an impressive feat. The Apophis/Sokar/Throne of Damnation took on a Replicator infected Asgard ship after surviving a super nova and won. The Throne of Damnation is the one that tanked the super nova. Both feats in the setting ate impressive alone.
It's durable though (hundreds of years) and is mostly used fighting none peer powers and internal conflicts/rebellions. I really enjoyed this episode.
Whats crazy is that in the movie it showed and stated that the pyramids were constructed as landing zones for the gold pyramid in the center of the ship, and we see one land. Given the scale shown on the first movie, the given measurement for thickness is wrong already just given further creadence that the show creators have no idea of scale for thier galaxy. Kinda funny.
This was my first sci-fi show, it was the best part of getting home from school. Campy by modern standards but close to my heart. The stagnant galactic empire shaken up by unpredictable humans trope is surprisingly common, mostly in books, especially 80’s and early 90’s.
30:48 Do get the feeling Steve is just thinking of Independence Day… actually Independence Day is kinda like Stargate Lol
Alien threat cheesed to death
The Ha'tak probably has escape pods like the little cargo ship the Tel'tak (the ones SG1 used to infiltrate the hellish moon Netu , where Sokar sent all his prisoners, in order to save Sams father). They just are never shown. The are crappy and probably only used by Jaffa since a snake would most likely ring aboard a cargo ship and escape that way. As for the cannons.... most of the 60 something of them are smaller AAA variety to shoot down fighters and bombers while the ship killer and orbital bombardment ones are located in those balls on the superstructure (pair in each ball so 24) and a few in the pyramid itself. As for the Death glider it looks like a Centauri fighter from Babylon 5.
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The other thing the Death glider looks like the Klingon Bird of Prey and in Star Wars the V-wing Airspeeder.
IMO, it kinda looks like the old series Cylon Raiders from BSG.
I actually think he was talking about the E Wing - it's practically the same design.
dont forget that for about 10,thousand year the the Taok'ra (I think that's how that's spelled) the "good snakes" had been actively sabotaging the Goa'ulds efforts to upgrade.
its my head cannon that they are behind the design of the worst aspects of the Ha'tak. if that is what the writers intended or not.
The gould (I know it's not the right spelling, but they don't deserve my respect) are so awful that they're kind of one of my favorite Sci-Fi factions. They're only advantage is sheer numbers because they reproduce like crazy & even then they still manage to screw that up by cannibalizing their young for lunch. They're so stupid, it's hilarious.
Love to see the Stargate coverage, some SG: Atlantis and SG: Universe episodes would be sweet, maybe the galactic gate connection station
you forgot the most stupid thing: its a 3 side pyramid landing atop 4 side pyramid!
It isn’t. They use 3-sided „pyramids“ for the Ha‘Tak. It’s a different design, a predecessor to the Ha‘Tak,that used the 4-sided platform. It’s just that they don’t make it clear enough in the show what is going on.
Honestly, the first think the death gliders reminded me if were the alien fighter craft in independence day
With some proper Tau'ri refits this thing could be vastly scarier. Add some missile tubes amd railguns and improve the shields and boom
WE already Seen with replicators or Anubis that hataks are incredibly powerful given Just abit of decent tweaking
I always thought, that if you gave me 10 years as a system lord i rule the galaxy ... THIS proves me right ^^
Just build a few good ships with existing tech from the HA'TAK and you win most, if not all space battles ;-)
It's wonderful to welcome Steve back!
Great to know that the scraps that roll off from the MAsters Table are as nourishing as the content you produce is to my soul!
Look, if you at least compared the Death Glider to the "Alien Attacker fighter" from Indipendence Day, i would have understood it...
hilariously, in the early, early days of the show (when goa'uld still seemed powerful and scary) an early book gave one random goa'uld lord a hatak that could blow up a ceres-sized astrological body in one shot. I am not even kidding. Boy, there is a world of difference between what you'd think the goa'uld would be if all you ever saw is season one compared to anything after.
Was it a Thanos relic? If it was, it would be possible.
@@gmradio2436 The memory of the details is spotty, but it might have been.
@@billyholland5156 That might have been a Na'quadria weapon then.
@@gmradio2436 difficult to say, given this was a very early SG novel. Back when the mystery and menace of the Goa'uld was at its peak in the show.
@@billyholland5156 Di you have a title for the book. I want to read it.
In Season 6 Episode 17: Disclosure, at around 9:50 they have an image of a Ha'tak that actually shows that it is elongated. Can't unsee that now that you pointed it out...and yes it actually irritates me now.
At least they have a point between the arms on that side however, and a recess on the opposite side with the equilateral triangle. Though what should be the front is actually the back...
Honestly it's a pity the Tau'ri never ended up adding Goa'uld ships like HA'TAK and Al'kesh to their fleet.
Especially after the battle of Dakara. There were over 100 of them as spoils of the battle and really doubt the SGC didn't ask for half a dozen or so as their cut of the spoils.
And with Teal'c and Bratac there, I very much doubt the Jaffa would have said no.
It would have been awesome if The Battle of the Void, against the two hiveships that were making their way to the Milky Way.
Happened at the doorstep of our galaxy with a trio of Asgard Upgraded HA'TAKs With the SGC insignia on the sides when to engage the Wraith.
They'd have been best used as carriers for 302's. Otherwise, breaking the ships for exotic materials to build more of the Tauri naval assets would have been smarter.
Shipbreaking the Ha'taks is not an option until season 9. SG1 simply don't have the infrastructure for it. The upgrade plan would be surprisingly more effective. People forget that the Ha'tak is very upgradeable.
@@gmradio2436 By the Replicators and Anubis.
@@bthsr7113 Even natively. So'kars ships were more capable, and even SG1 can upgrade them with a box of standard tools. The Goa'uld may be running Ancient tech with minimal education, but it is still Ancient tech. Move 3 crystals and a zat blast can double their hyperdrive speed.
SCIENCE INSANITY: i beg you, please look at the Bill McCay books, a direct sequel to the OG film that concluded right as the show began. the Goa'uld suffer from FAR less dumb and lame. FUN FACT: there are no ancients at all in the Bill McCay books, as they predate that whole idea. BADASS fact: in the McCay books, Oneil regularly used whole armies with tanks, and helicopters, backed with any artillery that can be fit through stargates.
Yeah, the Go'uald definitely had technology stagnation. If the system lords would have worked together, they would have been more of a threat.
I mean, it wasn't "stagnation" so much as "anyone who invented anything tried to keep it a personal secret for use in an emergency. And thus most innovation gets lost with the creator"
They could advance when threatened, but that is the catch. When threatened. Nothing IN the Milky Way was a threat to the Goa'uld Empire. Even the Tolin could be avoided by not going into orbit.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC that's just because the System Lords were a bunch of arrogant dumb@ss who hated each other.
@@gmradio2436 for the first half of SG-1, sure. But the second half of the series has the Go'uald threat downgraded, especially if you compare them to the replicator.
@@travisbishop782 That is arguable. Seasons 1 through 7 were focused on the Goa'uld threat as primary antagonist, the Replicators become a major threat in season 7 and defeated in season 8. At least for SG1. The Replicators were always a threat for the Asgard.
Steve stumbling through this episode even more lost than usual due to what sounds like a couple of days of sleep deprivation is endlessly entertaining.
The Ha'Tak was the cut out created in the Movie.
it took sg1 3 seasons to finally break the pyramids
That kind makes more sense safe way Star Trek developed transported because they couldn't afford to make shuttles crafts in the original so they used space magic instead.
Steeve might be thinking of the V-wing from Star Wars, which yeah the Death Glider does have that shape. Granted pretty much anything with forward swept wings and two guns sticking out looks like a V-Wing.
Edit: not the clone wars v-wing, the rogue squadron one. And the rogue squadron one is even an airspeeder, not a Starfighter.
I actually think he was talking about the E Wing - it's practically the same design.
Man that background music gets me very time it’s used. Good old faster than light you are a gem.
To be fair The Goa'uld mostly just had to deal with humans where the sword was their most advanced weapon.
And crossbows when the locals got rebellious.
Spears. You mean spears.
I hate people forgetting that spears are superior to swords as an infantry weapon.
@@schiefer1103 No, I meant swords. The metallurgy and forging of a sword is more advanced than a spear, and can then be applied to a spear.
Before you get defensive, I said ADVANCED, not BEST or MOST EFFECTIVE.
steve the gremlin had been missed
You are thinking about when Jack said: " The staff weapon is meant to INTIMIDATE the Enemy, the P90 is meant to KILL the enemy"!!!!!
Steve is back 🤍
This ship is a glass canon is exactly what it is. It’s devastating when there’s lots of them in orbit and you have no means to defend yourself but a Motum of defense you can shatter it like glass.
Can I just mention the other space Egyptian space ship, the Cairn Class Tombship. It has an actual four sided pyramid on it. Glory to the Necron Eternal Empire
A British system lord would be hilarious. They apologize for interrupting your afternoon torture so you can sit down for high tea.
Steve is thinking of the original Battlestar Galactica cylon raiders 30:35
That was really nice and funny. Thanks for a great video.
Not sure if Ptah is the smartest or dumbest goa'uld for designing every vehicle his species uses.
I mean, if it can be assembled by an illiterate slave who thinks it's all magic, probably the smartest person in the universe.
He survived the fall of the system lords, and build the infrastructure od a galactic empire.
In Steve's defense the deaf glider does look similar to the star wars v-wing speeder.
Down with the Gods!!!
False gods. Indeed... [/T'ealc]
In my experience the space craft that most closely resembles the Goauld Deathglider ist the Centauri Sentri-Class Fighter from Babylon 5. Maybe Steve was thinking of that.
I have legitimately missed Steve’s “hello”
The ship is symetrical. The dimensions do make sense. It is a triangle. Look, take a triange with all sides being 3cm long. Then measure its hight. It is not 3 cm tall.
Always felt the Ha'tak was a terror weapon like most of thier designs, and those suck vs actual warcraft
I find this Talk a Bit silly since goaulds were maturely downplayed later ON for example Jaffa Armor tanked bullets earlier staff cannons ripped nearly people in half with a single Shot also given how tealc and bratac used These staff weapons they we're nowhere near Just a "Terror" weapon
Steve has been fed!
1:41 NOOOO, I can't unsee that. Why?
Anubis was never a System Lord and he was the one who created those better shields that withstood that Asgard and in turn that Asgard ship was destroyed and Thor was captured, so yeah, Anubis, when he rolled up was bringing all kinds of upgrades across the board. He was basically the only one of them that ever seem to get crap done, but that's probably because he was half ascended and wasn't a worm anymore, lolz.
The more you talk about this ship, the more I realize that you need to watch Stargate again, cause while I agree that these ships were essentially the big bad scary ships meant to be punching bags for the other factions once they got going, they don't get pushed around nearly as much as you're making it out that they were...
Anubis was a System Lord. He got kicked out in the distant past and allowed back in in season...6? During the Goa'uld summet.
@@gmradio2436 Right... He was the System Lords the others were so afraid of they ganged up on him to kick him out.
@@Arendelft It happens time from time.
Hard data about ships in a Science Fiction show or movie? That has always been a rare thing. The often can't even get the ship size on screen right. Given, that's gotten better since the introduction of CGI, but still. They rarely work out how the ships work in a fictional sense, how the engines, shields and weaponry would shape tactics.
The showrunners and writers don't even seem to grasp how making that up in advance can be a vehicle for action and drama.
And there is of course the limitation of the budget.
I feel CGI has made it worse overall. Making a model bigger use to involve work and camera tricks. Now a scale tool makes it to easy to cheat it.
@@gmradio2436 There is that.
They don't use CGI to it's full potential.
Recently I saw some space battles from a more recent 'Space Battleship Yamato' and that had me wonder.
They show the gun turrets on the spaceships, ships moving and the beams follow up on the movement of the ship.
So I wondered, why don't we see this better in life-action Science Fiction.
Some movies and shows do it, but others go the cheap route.
@@Dreamfox-df6bg Limited resources. A purely animated film has an advantage of scale, but live action films have to split their budget.
@@gmradio2436 Sure, but a lot of that can be dealt with in the concept stage.
We know it's hard to do a big spaceship on a tight budget, especially if you consider the interior shots and crew you have to show to make it look big.
Easy solution, make the hero ship a smaller one.
@@Dreamfox-df6bg Not that simple as at times "The Shot" takes priority over consistency. A few years ago I was reading through everything I could find on the Vengeance from Into Darkness. I stumbled across the LIM interviews where they discussed modeling it. Turns out to make it seem more intimidating, they just had to scale it up.
It's like a cross between a star destroyer and a base star
32:16 literally the exact same ship I was thinking of.
The Death Glider looks like a Cylon Raider... kind of.
Ngl, with 1 prong extended to form a 'front' i think it actually looks good
Thanks for the video
2:55 Already, the ha'tak is extremely hateable: it's basically a d4.
Ha, am currently in the middle of a rewatch of Stargate SG-1.
With the death gliders, I think they kinda resemble the original series cylon raiders
Well, the Death Glider does look like the Centauri Sentri class Fighter from Bablyon 5.
I wonder what the contest would look like between a ghuld fleet vs a wrath hive fleet
The Jaffa are humans who have been altered with a pouch for the larval stage of the ghouls this gives the Jaffa immense strength, regenerative powers and longevity, and they become the foot soldiers for the system lords
If there was a better design than the M2 the United States military would be using it. Otherwise keep Ma Deuce's name out your damn mouth.
Even if there were (There probably were many that were better), it's the logistics of designing, manufacturing, issuing, and maintaining that new gun or other weapon which can kill it.
Many a proposals died that way. Famous example, F-23.
So unless something makes the M2 inadequate or a new gun comes along which does its job much better and cheaper, M2s will still be used.
well remember continued use of the sarcophagus degrades the mind and eventually induces maddness, look what happened to Daniel Jackson.
TLDR: The longer you go into the vid the more you get exposed to THE CURSE OF RA that is this ship design
the ship that Steve was talking about looks like one of the ships from the independences day harvesters fighters or is that just me?
Thou shalt not besmirch Ma Deuce.
So basically, an ancient empire of Steves...
So the false gods ride around in ships called "Biscuit"...🤣🤣
Nice to see Minecraft man back from the basement depths! Don't lose the key next time.
a lot of the flaws comes down to one simple overarching issue: Ego. Goa'uld ego is what caused them to become stagnant for thousands of years - usually anyone that was like "hey maybe we should improve our tech" was greeted with "you dare question the instruments of your GOD? off with his head!".
Also goauld Tech really depended on the individual goa uld. Take Guys Like he'rur to Guys Like sokar there IS a huge Difference in Tech and Power Not to mention Anubis WHO was Basically the goa'uld super Nerd . The Problem is they dont share that much so when the Goa uld dies their knowledge dies with them
For Steve!
Remember what Jack O’Neill said was this fact the Gould create weapons of intimidation the hatak was designed specifically to be intimidating to scare the hell out of you like the elcesh and the death gliders all were designed to scare the hell out of you. However, humans earthlings build weapons to win wars, so it doesn’t matter how impressive it looks. Oh look it’s that nice orbiting space station with that little dent in the middle that fires a super laser exhaust port open for proton torpedo principal, the shield are impressive until you get inside and then when you drop a couple of Grenades to destroy said shield generators well then you’re screwed that’s the point. The guld for centuries were un challenged except for the immediate squabble between system wards no one dared go up against them in a meaningful way and then you have this upstart forgotten about centuries ago showing up, and they start out class because they didn’t bring toys to scare the hell out of you they brought toys to win .And the the guld who had probably never faced a real enemy since dealing with the Asgard, do you know how to fight a real war therefore, you have a small problem on your hands you may have numbers, but when someone brings a nuke to a blaster fight the nuke is going to win
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Nice.
Also "all your gods are fake, here, have machine guns"
They have single man Escape Pods!!!!!!
Replicants: Thank you systems lords for all the tasty technomass!