Is Death in Space really just scifi Mork Borg? ☠️🧑🏽🚀☠️ RPG Review
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
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Death in Space is a scifi horror RPG published in 2022 by Christian Plogfors and Carl Niblaeus after a successful Kickstarter. The rules are relatively light but include ship-to-ship combat!
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00:00 Introduction
00:46 Setting
02:51 Physical Product
04:04 Character Creation
05:24 Hub Creation
06:24 How to Play
09:18 Combat
10:41 Spacecraft Confrontation
11:35 Advancement
11:47 The Tenebris System
12:23 Sample Scenario: Welcome to the Ring
13:22 Tables and Tools
16:01 Pamphlet Adventures
16:56 My Thoughts
20:26 Conclusion
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By Collapsing Universe, they mean the Universe is moving back toward its origin point, thus making it possible to travel to other Galaxies, which should also give you an idea of just how far along the Collapse is.
Quick corrections: The "Starting Bonus" only applies if your character has net negative attributes, which is a nice and simple way to balance out a set of crummy rolls. Also, the "way you died" list is, according to the description, a flash of the way you were *supposed* to die, and whatever actually killed your character wasn't their intended fate. Makes a lot more sense why they are so situational.
Thanks, Alex, I’ve added these to an Errata in the pinned comment for this video.
Jesus. The art and layout of the book is beautiful. I bet the space station Prospero's Dream from Mothership's Pound of Flesh would feel right at home here.
Currently running Welcome to the Ring! and we're having a good time so far. A little different to get into since it's mostly social encounters, but a great introduction to the setting. Initiative rocks. We did a non-phys combat simulation to get the players accustomed to it, and it really shines in play.
I'd consider this video critical marketing because I love, love, love Stockholm Kartell, even backed Cy_BORG and had no clue Death in Space existed. Thank you so much for the great overview and bringing it to my attention!
Yeah for sure. DiS definitely flew under the radar for a lot of folks.
I have recently stumbled with this video and immedately fell in love with the game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the table at pg 55 is for the "the way they were MEANT to die" (pg 54). Like, the death in the game was a mishappening of fate or some sort.
Yeah I guess you’re right. The table seems so shoehorned in to me.
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ERRATA: The stickers were only sent to Kickstarter backers and not included on regular purchases.
The starting bonus only applies if you have a negative stat.
The Death chart is supposed to describe how you were fated to die, not how you die in-game.
I definitely agree that the hub concept is awesome, and along with the art is probably my favorite part of this game (what I know being mostly from reviews/reddit). I'd love to play this. I like that it's sort of minimal and simple for several reasons-one of which is it makes it less time consuming to learn which is great if you have a bunch of games you'd like to try but limited time, and it's easier to get newbies into it.
10:19 I heard that the Death In Space table is that your character sees how they were SUPPOSED to die at their end, as if they've changed their fate. From bad to worse I guess
I really wish I hadn't found Stockholm Cartel games...Mork Borg, Cy_Borg and this all look so beautiful and I adore rules-lite systems.
My wallet will be in pain
Great timing! Thanks for the video!
You bet, Kevin!
This game is so damned good. I'm not normally a huge fan of minimalistic OSRs like Mork Borg (although I did buy that one for the art cause, I mean, come on), but Death in Space just manages to hit all the buttons of what a good sci-fi game should look like. It has everything, but all of it streamlined to fit into just 130 digest sized pages. Great bang for the buck!
100% agree with this.
Loved this review and decided to order my copy as a second-time father treat. Waiting on the physical copy but enjoying the PDF during sleepless nights.
I appreciate the gaps in the fiction that prompt and allow your own creative thought and narrative cooperation as a group. Looking forward to playing this with some newbies, who nevertheless are fans of sci-fi should be a straightforward intro into ttrpgs for them.
I should say, two months later... and I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive 😢
Oh this is awesome! Gonna get it asap! Love Mork Borg, best rpg imo, and if it's anything close to it, and also scifi setting, count me in!
Picked this up based on this review and cannot wait to run it. I'm really keen to see how it stacks up against Mothership another system I love.
Looking forward to getting my Vast Grimm book. I've read the pdf and it is awesome. If Death in Space is Mork Borg's goth kid offspring, then Vast Grimm is Mork Borg's adopted neon ADHD kid. The worms are particularly gross and awesome.
A great review! I ordered the book a few days back and looking over the PDF while I wait. I wish I'd have seen this a half-hour earlier before I paid $2 on itch for Search & Salvage.
I actually prefer having all tables at the same place in most books I use, it may be more inconvenient when creating characters or hubs but really helps during sessions to look up stuff
I was eager to get a comparison to Mothership somewhere in there. Do you have any thoughts about that? Are they complementary games in your opinion or do they pretty much fit the same niche and gameplay a table is looking for?
Was wondering the same thing, it looks very much like Mothership.
They definitely scratch similar itches though I think Mothership is far more horror oriented by design. I’m happily to have both options in my collection.
I agree with the other post. Mothership = Horror Sci Fi. Death in Space = Weird Sci Fi. They are both very good games.
Mothership is Event Horizon, Death in Space is like STALKER in space
Death in space is like Mad max in space. I see it more as power struggle/resource fight game. But you can add horror for sure...
Honestly I've never played Mork Borg and I don't have a huge interest in this particular setting but I really want to buy this book just for how dang pretty it is. My TTRPG library is growing and this would make a gorgeous addition.
*After hearing more about it* Okay nevermind this is right up my ally, it's going on the list.
This comment was a complete journey of temptation.
Great review! You convinced me to buy the physical book!
Hope you enjoy it!
Now I have to decide between this and Mothership.......
Great review!! I hope this game inspires at least half the same amount of community-made content and supplements as other indie games, like Mothership got.
Also, would love to check how easy it would be to run this game on a different setting, more sandboxy and just a lil' less apocalyptic. Would the rules run smoothly?
They really missed an opportunity when describing the 4 ranges to use ""Depth in Space"
Nice breakdown of the game. I’m very eager to hold my physical copies of the game and materials.
Quick tip for folks wanting to print pages from the electronic version of the game book:
You can invert the colours for easier printing in most graphics apps fairly easily. For example, in Photoshop, you'd do the following:
Open the page you want to print
Navigate to 'Image' on the top toolbar
Navigate to 'Adjustments' in the drop down menu
Navigate and click on 'Invert.'
Job done!
Most graphics apps with similar functionality to Photoshop will have a similar option to quickly reverse the colours. It may just take a bit of finding.
Yeah... the problem is that the file is a PDF which combines various objects (colored surfaces, text and images) onto a page. The pages are not single bitmap images that you can simply invert. What you suggest would require first rendering each page as a bitmap image, then inverting those images and finally printing the result.
@@PeterKoperdan - should actually be fairly easy to do with Photoshop's functionality. If you're smart about it, you can automate a process to render the page within the 'Actions' tab. That way, the tedious stuff is done with a single mouse click.
@@hdestotallyunoriginalgamin3555 Indeed, there are things that can be done. Some of them not too difficult. But my point was that it's not as easy as you make it sound. If you are good in Photoshop, it's not difficult. If you aren't, it's not straightforward at all.
The video also mentions that the background blacks in the PDF aren't actually black but dark gray. When inverted (as a bitmap of course) they would become light gray - not great for print. It can be fixed of course, but these kind of manipulations require some graphics/Photoshop knowledge.
"Open the page ... click on 'Invert.' ... Job done!" is not happening bro ;-)
I first ran into this style of initiative from Evil Hat's Fred. Think it's been referred to as "popcorn" initiative, but could be wrong. Regardless, I really like it, too, and have plugged it into most games I run.
Thank you.
I bought this on the basis of your review, having never heard of it before.
3:35 I fucking love the Stålverket logo, hard core chanelling the logos of Swedish utilities companies when they where state run before becoming privatized in the 90's like Televerket.
That crown motif is also used in Tales From the Loop. I didn’t know it was common amongst Swedish utility logos!
@@DaveThaumavore The styilized crown is in the symbol of like all Swedish government agencies. Never looked into Tales from the Loop. But I see it is an alternate 80s-90s Scaninavia? The logo is for something called Riksenergi? A fake utilities company for particle acclerators? Yeah, the logo would look excactly like this. Look up the Televerket logo and spot the similarities.
@@DaveThaumavore Also, since Televerket (the telephone utilites) where privitaized in the early 90's, the logo looking so simillar gives real 80's vibes. You can find the old Televerket logo on like old maintainance access points in the ground and old telephone equipment in general, so the 80's feeling nostalgia is really strong with that design.
Just picked it up!
I am still awaiting this book to come in from Kickstarter.
Another awesome review. I purchased this game a couple of weeks ago. Love the Initiative rules.
One question - The game states character Reputation is everything, but there are no game mechanics to handle character Reputation. Any thoughts?
Depends how you want to go with it I expect. Looking at that 'reputation is the new law' section in the setting introduction, it seems like it's just serving as a theme description, that is, it gives the characters motivation for their actions. Why are the PCs doing this? Well, because that's what we do in the Tenebris system, we go after bigger and more dangerous contracts to make our name.
Personally I think it's that rather than any need for a specific mechanical renown statistic or similar, but you could always borrow and convert reputation rules from other ttrpgs as a way of deciding on the level of contracts available to the group.
The setting sounds like a combination of Stargrave and some grimdark for flavor. I bet you could really amp up the presentation if you fancied playing your RPGs with minis and terrain by using some funky kitbashed minis in a Blanchitsu style. Not really into using minis when I run an RPG (my games are usually to open ended so I'd need a ton of terrain), but I could see some people doing it with this setting. Plus the art just makes me want to paint up some dark, sci-fi minis and cobble together a wreck of a ship.
That cover is gorgeous; looks like an old vinyl album cover. Wanna listen.
Yeah, I love so many aspects of this game and book.
I just received this from Amazon and it did not come with the map, pamphlets, nor the stickers 😕
You should mention that this packaging and stickers were just for kickstarter backers. I just got my physical copy in the mail and was extremely disappointed to find none of that.
I’ll put that in the pinned comment.
Apologies too if that came across a little aggro, I love how thorough your videos are and still can't wait to play it.
@@dead_boba no worries. Must be frustrating to expect stickers and not get them.
This video is great👍
I got none of that packaging. Was that from the KS?
Great review! Question, do you know what is the top ceiling of abilities? Thanks.
I never did see one specified in the book.
@@DaveThaumavore yeah, I guess I'll top it at +6 like Mork Borg or maybe less, otherwise players get to play God!
I was hoping that maybe it was me that couldn't find the maximum ability rule...
Seems like the extras don’t come with if purchased on Amazon. Where do we get the extra packaging and pamphlets?
Excellent review, thank you! I was wondering if you could comment on:
1. How does Death in Space compare to Mothership or the Alien RPG? Does it do anything particularly new that these two systems do not? Or, if I already have Mothership and Alien, I can take a pass on this one?
2. How suitable is Death in Space to a continuous campaign rather than a one-shot that horror survival games tend to be?
Thanks very much in advance!
1. I will withhold comparison with MS because I haven’t read 1e yet and I’m waiting for those rules to be finalized. In comparison to Alien, this game is much simpler and the setting is way more open and loose. DiS is simply a more casual game from a rules perspective, and the dark cosmic powers are way different than the gritty realism of the Alien setting.
2. DiS is a one- to three-shot kind of game. But with one caveat: your ship. A spaceship or base can stretch across many sessions and PCs, and end up embodying a pretty interesting story in itself.
@@DaveThaumavore Thank you for the quick response! I definitely like the idea of the spaceship being passed on from party to party (or their descendants/replacements). When you say that it's best for one- to three-shot kind of game, is it because it lacks a robust leveling or progression mechanics? Or are there enough progressions mechanics to make playing a character for more than three sessions viable?
@@DaveThaumavore Would you say this game is very unsuited or almost impossible to do an extended campaign in?
Kinda new to roll playing what do you recommend to get started with
Blades in the dark is an amazing game with a really thematic system/setting combination. Any of its hacks are also pretty good.
But the real answer is "whatever group you can find"
Was hoping you'd do one on this game! Gonna do CY_BORG too?
Yeah I plan on it. I was a backer and have the PDF currently.
Awesome! Looking forward to it 🤖
Thanks for the amazing content, as always.
So what I hear about our characters is…BELTALOWDA!
-stomp stomp
Does normal combat use similar ranges to spaceship combat?
Range is not addressed in the book's discussion of normal combat.
How do you get this in USA?
Order it from the link in the video description. They mail it to you.
I'm confused about the physical edition. Mine came with no fancy packaging, stickers, bookmarks or any additional pamphlets, and I'm kinda bummed out. Was this some sort of special thing?
That was the Kickstarter version probably a deluxe KS edition. It should of said what was included in it.
@@yagsipcc287 Store I bought at displayed photos of a version with a ribbon bookmark at least. Still a good book of course, but I can't say I was not disappointed. Mork Borg from the same source came with a ribbon, Cy_borg came with two, so DiS is a step down in that regard.
@@Kodaemon Oh so they advertised in the story with everything you said was missing? That is shady :-/ they should say or update to say (this is no longer in stock) That would annoy me big time (cant say the word I want to because youtube)
I want to run a faux Micronauts game with this. I figure Baron Karza is the 'Winner' of the war (Dallan and Sepis being the losers)
But I worry it's too brutal to PCs.
I'm not even an RPG player and I'm still tempted to pick this up. That book is a thing of beauty.
I think a lot of people buy these books and read them for pleasure with little or no intention of playing.
The Initiative Order in this game is very similar to the FATE RPG. That system is a "generic" system, using four 6-sided dice that have either a plus, a minus or a blank... which is actually not relevant... so I don't know why I even bothered bringing up the odd dice. Sorry. Moving on.
Feel like this IS relevant because I’m going to run this soon and was going to use 3 fate die to determine stats rather than the two d4s. I think it’s a lot easier to look at quickly and know your total stat! With 3 fate die vs 2d4 you end up with the max of +3 and min of -3 so works exactly the same so I’m excited to try it and think it’ll make stats quicker and easier to roll up so if characters die quick they can jump right back in. You could also do 4 drop the lowest of you wanna give them an extra little bit!
Hmmm I wonder how doctor who works run in this
With these systems I really wonder if they're flash over substance, especially with how every other review spend as much time talking about the art as they do about the rules. I can't say that for certain about the entire game, but I can certainly say it about the gun page. It looks neat at first glance, but a few of those guns are downright non-functional.
Kinda odd you didn't make any mothership comparisons
...or the Aliens RPG
Are Death in space and Mothership alike ? which one would you prefer ?
They’re similar in theme. MS is more substantially written and has a lot more advice on how to run a game. DiS is more casual and has simpler mechanics. I don’t have a preference. They both have a distinct purpose.
I hate magic and psionics in sci-fi, and would prefer to recast or retread the void as creepy cyber/ribopunk
Kinda want to see you talk about stillfleet
My book has no ribbons... 😭
first!
You've won this game before.
So Traveller with a horror twist.
Am I the only person who's sick of the ubiquity of the advantage/disadvantage system?
Not me. I love advantage/disadvantage.
"r/oddlyspecific" 😆😆😆
I bought this and I dont think I like it
this book is very lacking I felt