Interesting ideas. I can definitely see where you're coming from. I only have a bit of experience with IP and media legal stuff, having assisted with a tabletop game in the past. So I'll explain somewhat for each of your 3 points while also adding some patterns I've seen in LangMobile I've noticed since I've also been playing from day 1. Bit of a long read, sorry lol TLDR at bottom if you don't have time to read all the nitty-gritty specifics. 1. "Casting skill at same release" -This I definitely agree with. Adding the collab characters' castings would help. However based on the patterns I've seen, it take the dev team extreme long time for them to think of anything for them for whatever reason. I think because they're collabs, they have to be OP (at the original time of their release) and because the devs possibly see them as OP, they don't want to touch them often. (But then again, recent original characters have been even more OP than some collabs so I suppose that logic might not work, but that's the only thing I can think of.) Of all the 14 collabs thus far (not including Commando), we only have castings for: Trails-Sky [2/6], Sakura Wars [2/3], YYH [1/5], ROLW [2/4], Samurai Troopers [1/3], & Shining [3/3]. So that means they skipped over: Cold Steel, Overlord, Mashin Hero, Valkyria Chronicles, Gintama, KnK/Trails-Daybreak, Slayers, & Guyver. Conveniently all the ones yet to have a rerun. So if any of them get a rerun, they might go through a similar process of being shoehorned in like such. 2. "Exclusive equips for collab characters" -This I also like. Would add some needed flare... however I see extremely unlikely. Practically 0%. Now this unfortunately comes down to "lovely" IP copyright issues. For them to use the likeness of any other media's characters, unique items, worldly locations (all of which would usually be individually patented), they would have to get legal permission and temporary copyright licensing from the IP's current holder(s) which unfortunately costs money. Plus we already have some unique items from collabs like: the Extended Pole, Weismann's Staff, Bracer Emblem & Asura Blade (from Trails-Sky) ; and Iris' Teddy Bear [Jean Paul], plus Sakura's Uniform, Red Ribbon & Katana (from Sakura Wars). Really, the biggest question the devs have to ask themselves is "Will acquiring the licensing to create exclusives for a collab batch be worth it to at least break even on the spending needed for said items in addition to being able to bring back the collab in the first place?" 3. "Add new characters" -Again, an idea I love but see 0% chance happening. This is basically a repeat of point 2, IP licensing is costly (and varies depending on what the home IP asks Zlong to fork over). Plus, it technically wouldn't be a "rerun" if new main elements are added to the original. They'd have to fit the new characters in somewhere, which in case zlong would [hopefully] make a new event story to include them in (*unless otherwise legally restricted not to, like with YYH. Literally the only collab that had no story element for their event because Shueisha is hardcore stingy). Trails-Sky and YYH are unique in they have 2 parts to their events. But these 2 parts were planned from the beginning mainly due to paperwork taking time to process, especially if it's international. Though I do wish they'd bring 2-part collabs back. Those were 2 of the most financially and community successful collabs besides ROLW, Overlord, Samurai Troopers, Gintama, & Slayers. TL;DR: All great ideas, but realistically not feasible, except for possibly the 1st point. From what I've researched, their company size is 100-250, so it's definitely not small, but not huge. It could possibly be that their attention is diverted since they do work on multiple games. Funny enough, their more recent new game "Kalpa of Universe" (many described it as a "more balanced Langrisser") from what I hear isn't generating as great of sales as Lang is, even before Lang's recent boost in revenue. So hopefully that incentivizes the team to improve Lang's overall QOL and performance even more.
Excellent point, I have always known that they've usually had licensing issues with different IPs. It was bad for YYH and same goes for Cap Commando. I get that they may not be the biggest and wealthiest company, but I think I speak for all of us that if they could add something new, it would spice things up. If they actually do add casting skills here (in CN I was informed it got released at launch), it's something new to appreciate. However I don't believe it will be enough even if it's good tbh to get people sold into it unless it's game changing. If they do mainstream collabs I honestly would believe it could do well (Ex. Fate), it is expensive for such a large IP plus a huge money risk if it doesn't do well. Right now the casting skill is a small step (Im unsure still if it will release at launch), hopefully maybe with the future reruns they could expand more on it even if they have to do it little by little.
@@MythosZ I wholly agree with your take. They do need to add something extra to collab reruns. Or even new collabs in general. Idk how true it is, but I heard the main brain behind either zlongames or blackjack studios (forget which one since I know they came together for this game) is into a lot of the older anime hence most of the collabs IPs we got. I hope they try more mainstream media soon though. Some of them I think are definitely worth the financial risk. Personally, you risk money either way no matter the type of collab. May as well try to go big and pray it pays off like with YYH, Overlord, & Gintama. Also, didn't know Capcom gave them trouble with Cpt Commando. A bit shocking since usually I hear they're open to collabs and even non-profit fangames. I'd expect that behavior from a company like Square or Blizzard.
@@carlospolk5033 ikr?! Capcom has been so chill recently from what ive seen. I have high respect for them for being chill with fan games and such as long as they dont profit from it. Imo I think it's worse than YYH in terms of content. I also don't mind older title crossovers but it just attracts older audiences which I feel like aren't that many. If they want to attract more people, then they should at least try to cater in to the younger audiences who are into today's media and there are many of them too.
I'm honestly don't mind it rerunning but I would Prefer older Titles of Collabs to Return like Overlord or Yuyu Hakusho or they could have at least Collab with something like Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo you know that Comedy Anime that has similar Comedy like Gintama and Pop Team Epic filled with weirdness or an Anime like Slime Tensura.
So this collab rerun is a mixed bag for me. It's nice to see that they are still willing to rerun old collabs, but it's a bit disappointing that they skipped other older collabs than this one. I've heard from many people who want to see Overlord collab rerun. I personally want to see Ronin Warriors rerun.
All 3 units are getting casting skills. CN got them with the banner but it seems they moved the banner up for us so idk if we’re getting them now or in a couple months. Kirika’s seems particularly good. Personally, I like they don’t add more characters to reruns as I think it would be overwhelming as I usually only get one unit the first time around and need that second round to collect the other. I think a lot of, if not most f2p to lite spending players look forward to reruns because of this. At least all the ones I know do. Also, for the free unit, as after the rerun you can get them maxed or nearly so without spending gate runs which are super valuable if you’re not pulling for dupes. And several of those units a pretty solid for Forbidden Battlefield content and occasionally other PVE maps. I agree with both adding casting skills and their exclusive equipment would be good for reruns though. As they add something new but don’t but extra pressure on already tight summoning budgets.
I actually used Sonia as a glory/princess tank early on because I began the game shortly before this banner was first run. Works okay but definitely below the other top tanks like Christi, Lightbringer, Hilda, SP Grenier, SP Lanford, Tyrantel Their casting skills definitely make them more viable (though still not top tier imho). Kirika’s gives her an act again when using her 2C aoe with talent stacks. So she can do a 2C aoe + 3C in succession. Sonia’s casting makes the first part of her 3C mapwide. And the 2nd part makes the enemy lose control if it was the one with Duel. So in PvP Sonia could setup Duel, then 3C aoe + act again attack the enemy that didn’t lose control. Excella’s casting lets her preparation skill give her the talent + attack again (no move). This should make her more viable with +20% attack, +100% crit, & cooldown reduction for her first attack. If you already have her from last time, that’ll be a free 6* ssr with casting skill. I won’t complain Edit: I would like to pick up Kirika for collection but…I know my vouchers can be put to better use 😭
My bad if you guys hear some echos, my mic kinda messed up for some strange reason again. Dunno what I did but it kinda annoyed me a bit since there were many times where I could hear it and at the same time i didnt and i was considering redoing this whole video but ultimately decided against it due to lack of sleep plus with the crossover being very near. Sorry about the issue, hopefully I figure it out soon. Aside from that, what do you guys think? Are you guys pleased with the rerun or agree with me that it could be better?
Another way to boost the older characters would be to give an SP stone through the collab event which can unlock the character SP class allowing a wide range of talent buffs and additional skills. Unfortunately, the older the unit, the harder it is to make them relevant again.
I wonder if this is test to see if rerunning a collab is worth it. If it does well, it may increase the likelihood of old collabs getting rerun? I think I agree with Zebito that this rerun probably won't be a big money earner. A guildmate speculated that the Captain Commando collab was not well received & maybe this was their apology event. Not sure if I buy that, but who knows.
That's similar to what I've heard from others as well. Idk exactly happened, but apparently zlong made some sort of mistake. And to compensate players, part of that apology was the extra GOF event added into the scheduling. And then later on the collab rerun was announced for CN. So possibly.
@@carlospolk5033 Yeah, I remember when I heard about the Captain Commando collab, I was confused and asked, "Who?", because I had no clue as to what Intellectual Property it was. I'm not surprised it wasn't received well. It's not nearly as well known as some other collabs we've seen & are hoping to get in the future. For new reruns, I think Hunter x Hunter would be cool & in line with Yuyu Hakusho.
Makes sense that they didn't make this into a major update. They did the same thing during the Sakura rerun collab. The major update has LoG and then a week after the major update hi they tossed in the Sakura rerun. So similar here major update had Super Chris and now tossing in Shining rerun in the middle.
We already have Mononga (aka Ainz Ooal Gown). Naberal is a great suggestion, as well as any of the other Pleiades battle maids. I would choose floor guardians like Demiurge, Aura Bella Fiora, and Aura Bello Fiore over Evileye. So many potential characters from Overlord could be used in Langrisser, its overwhelming. My 2 cents.
how will they re-run the EOL skins if the event ends on the 16th and the current EOL doesnt end till the 16th too but ONLY the Chris SR skin is possible UNLESS the day aftet they put in the EOL skins
The crossovers are just not popular enough for 70-80 percent of the players to care about. Obviously money issues but it’s a waste of money in itself if people arent buying this crossovers. They should do a poll to decide crossovers or just dont it
The biggest names I know of were Overlord and Gintama and I was pretty excited to see those. Overlord drew me in despite just missing it. The rest I've never heard of. I guess there might be a cost involved if they bring in some of the newest Anime, where they need to balance the cost of the license vs the potenial income/new player base to have a net profit. Though checking some comments/streamers, they've been hyped over some of the past collabs.
@@michaelnielsen7827 I haven’t caught up with CN yet which is why I didn’t know but I was informed that yes they did however Global… there wasn’t anything new in the update notice mentioning it
Loved this game for years but perhaps its time to move on? May be possible that EOS is around the corner and they want to see how to increase income before that happens?
Excella was the first hero introduced with a gravity field effect on a skill. I thought it was very unique until Jayce came out
She’s going to get a mobility based act again on her casting skill
Interesting ideas. I can definitely see where you're coming from. I only have a bit of experience with IP and media legal stuff, having assisted with a tabletop game in the past. So I'll explain somewhat for each of your 3 points while also adding some patterns I've seen in LangMobile I've noticed since I've also been playing from day 1. Bit of a long read, sorry lol TLDR at bottom if you don't have time to read all the nitty-gritty specifics.
1. "Casting skill at same release"
-This I definitely agree with. Adding the collab characters' castings would help. However based on the patterns I've seen, it take the dev team extreme long time for them to think of anything for them for whatever reason. I think because they're collabs, they have to be OP (at the original time of their release) and because the devs possibly see them as OP, they don't want to touch them often. (But then again, recent original characters have been even more OP than some collabs so I suppose that logic might not work, but that's the only thing I can think of.) Of all the 14 collabs thus far (not including Commando), we only have castings for: Trails-Sky [2/6], Sakura Wars [2/3], YYH [1/5], ROLW [2/4], Samurai Troopers [1/3], & Shining [3/3]. So that means they skipped over: Cold Steel, Overlord, Mashin Hero, Valkyria Chronicles, Gintama, KnK/Trails-Daybreak, Slayers, & Guyver. Conveniently all the ones yet to have a rerun. So if any of them get a rerun, they might go through a similar process of being shoehorned in like such.
2. "Exclusive equips for collab characters"
-This I also like. Would add some needed flare... however I see extremely unlikely. Practically 0%. Now this unfortunately comes down to "lovely" IP copyright issues. For them to use the likeness of any other media's characters, unique items, worldly locations (all of which would usually be individually patented), they would have to get legal permission and temporary copyright licensing from the IP's current holder(s) which unfortunately costs money. Plus we already have some unique items from collabs like: the Extended Pole, Weismann's Staff, Bracer Emblem & Asura Blade (from Trails-Sky) ; and Iris' Teddy Bear [Jean Paul], plus Sakura's Uniform, Red Ribbon & Katana (from Sakura Wars). Really, the biggest question the devs have to ask themselves is "Will acquiring the licensing to create exclusives for a collab batch be worth it to at least break even on the spending needed for said items in addition to being able to bring back the collab in the first place?"
3. "Add new characters"
-Again, an idea I love but see 0% chance happening. This is basically a repeat of point 2, IP licensing is costly (and varies depending on what the home IP asks Zlong to fork over). Plus, it technically wouldn't be a "rerun" if new main elements are added to the original. They'd have to fit the new characters in somewhere, which in case zlong would [hopefully] make a new event story to include them in (*unless otherwise legally restricted not to, like with YYH. Literally the only collab that had no story element for their event because Shueisha is hardcore stingy). Trails-Sky and YYH are unique in they have 2 parts to their events. But these 2 parts were planned from the beginning mainly due to paperwork taking time to process, especially if it's international. Though I do wish they'd bring 2-part collabs back. Those were 2 of the most financially and community successful collabs besides ROLW, Overlord, Samurai Troopers, Gintama, & Slayers.
TL;DR: All great ideas, but realistically not feasible, except for possibly the 1st point. From what I've researched, their company size is 100-250, so it's definitely not small, but not huge. It could possibly be that their attention is diverted since they do work on multiple games. Funny enough, their more recent new game "Kalpa of Universe" (many described it as a "more balanced Langrisser") from what I hear isn't generating as great of sales as Lang is, even before Lang's recent boost in revenue. So hopefully that incentivizes the team to improve Lang's overall QOL and performance even more.
Excellent point, I have always known that they've usually had licensing issues with different IPs. It was bad for YYH and same goes for Cap Commando. I get that they may not be the biggest and wealthiest company, but I think I speak for all of us that if they could add something new, it would spice things up. If they actually do add casting skills here (in CN I was informed it got released at launch), it's something new to appreciate. However I don't believe it will be enough even if it's good tbh to get people sold into it unless it's game changing. If they do mainstream collabs I honestly would believe it could do well (Ex. Fate), it is expensive for such a large IP plus a huge money risk if it doesn't do well. Right now the casting skill is a small step (Im unsure still if it will release at launch), hopefully maybe with the future reruns they could expand more on it even if they have to do it little by little.
@@MythosZ I wholly agree with your take. They do need to add something extra to collab reruns. Or even new collabs in general. Idk how true it is, but I heard the main brain behind either zlongames or blackjack studios (forget which one since I know they came together for this game) is into a lot of the older anime hence most of the collabs IPs we got.
I hope they try more mainstream media soon though. Some of them I think are definitely worth the financial risk. Personally, you risk money either way no matter the type of collab. May as well try to go big and pray it pays off like with YYH, Overlord, & Gintama.
Also, didn't know Capcom gave them trouble with Cpt Commando. A bit shocking since usually I hear they're open to collabs and even non-profit fangames. I'd expect that behavior from a company like Square or Blizzard.
@@carlospolk5033 ikr?! Capcom has been so chill recently from what ive seen. I have high respect for them for being chill with fan games and such as long as they dont profit from it. Imo I think it's worse than YYH in terms of content.
I also don't mind older title crossovers but it just attracts older audiences which I feel like aren't that many. If they want to attract more people, then they should at least try to cater in to the younger audiences who are into today's media and there are many of them too.
A guildmate mentioned that those who were around for this collab the first time can get Excella to 6 star w/o using gate of fate attempts.
Hmm, I already have all the characters fortunately. But, I would appreciate a re-run on Trains in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel III though.
I'm honestly don't mind it rerunning but I would Prefer older Titles of Collabs to Return like Overlord or Yuyu Hakusho or they could have at least Collab with something like Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo you know that Comedy Anime that has similar Comedy like Gintama and Pop Team Epic filled with weirdness or an Anime like Slime Tensura.
that's great tbh. i had to make another account to get Lina Inverse, so i don't have any other collabs. hope to get Samurai Warriors one day.
So this collab rerun is a mixed bag for me. It's nice to see that they are still willing to rerun old collabs, but it's a bit disappointing that they skipped other older collabs than this one. I've heard from many people who want to see Overlord collab rerun. I personally want to see Ronin Warriors rerun.
Ditto, Ronin warriors and guyver (RNG was painful for me on this one).
All 3 units are getting casting skills. CN got them with the banner but it seems they moved the banner up for us so idk if we’re getting them now or in a couple months. Kirika’s seems particularly good.
Personally, I like they don’t add more characters to reruns as I think it would be overwhelming as I usually only get one unit the first time around and need that second round to collect the other. I think a lot of, if not most f2p to lite spending players look forward to reruns because of this. At least all the ones I know do.
Also, for the free unit, as after the rerun you can get them maxed or nearly so without spending gate runs which are super valuable if you’re not pulling for dupes. And several of those units a pretty solid for Forbidden Battlefield content and occasionally other PVE maps.
I agree with both adding casting skills and their exclusive equipment would be good for reruns though. As they add something new but don’t but extra pressure on already tight summoning budgets.
I actually used Sonia as a glory/princess tank early on because I began the game shortly before this banner was first run. Works okay but definitely below the other top tanks like Christi, Lightbringer, Hilda, SP Grenier, SP Lanford, Tyrantel
Their casting skills definitely make them more viable (though still not top tier imho). Kirika’s gives her an act again when using her 2C aoe with talent stacks. So she can do a 2C aoe + 3C in succession. Sonia’s casting makes the first part of her 3C mapwide. And the 2nd part makes the enemy lose control if it was the one with Duel. So in PvP Sonia could setup Duel, then 3C aoe + act again attack the enemy that didn’t lose control.
Excella’s casting lets her preparation skill give her the talent + attack again (no move). This should make her more viable with +20% attack, +100% crit, & cooldown reduction for her first attack. If you already have her from last time, that’ll be a free 6* ssr with casting skill. I won’t complain
Edit: I would like to pick up Kirika for collection but…I know my vouchers can be put to better use 😭
My bad if you guys hear some echos, my mic kinda messed up for some strange reason again. Dunno what I did but it kinda annoyed me a bit since there were many times where I could hear it and at the same time i didnt and i was considering redoing this whole video but ultimately decided against it due to lack of sleep plus with the crossover being very near. Sorry about the issue, hopefully I figure it out soon. Aside from that, what do you guys think? Are you guys pleased with the rerun or agree with me that it could be better?
Sounds better than the last, could barely hear you in the other crossover video.
Another way to boost the older characters would be to give an SP stone through the collab event which can unlock the character SP class allowing a wide range of talent buffs and additional skills. Unfortunately, the older the unit, the harder it is to make them relevant again.
I wonder if this is test to see if rerunning a collab is worth it. If it does well, it may increase the likelihood of old collabs getting rerun? I think I agree with Zebito that this rerun probably won't be a big money earner. A guildmate speculated that the Captain Commando collab was not well received & maybe this was their apology event. Not sure if I buy that, but who knows.
That's similar to what I've heard from others as well. Idk exactly happened, but apparently zlong made some sort of mistake. And to compensate players, part of that apology was the extra GOF event added into the scheduling. And then later on the collab rerun was announced for CN. So possibly.
@@carlospolk5033 Yeah, I remember when I heard about the Captain Commando collab, I was confused and asked, "Who?", because I had no clue as to what Intellectual Property it was. I'm not surprised it wasn't received well. It's not nearly as well known as some other collabs we've seen & are hoping to get in the future. For new reruns, I think Hunter x Hunter would be cool & in line with Yuyu Hakusho.
Makes sense that they didn't make this into a major update. They did the same thing during the Sakura rerun collab. The major update has LoG and then a week after the major update hi they tossed in the Sakura rerun. So similar here major update had Super Chris and now tossing in Shining rerun in the middle.
We already have Mononga (aka Ainz Ooal Gown). Naberal is a great suggestion, as well as any of the other Pleiades battle maids. I would choose floor guardians like Demiurge, Aura Bella Fiora, and Aura Bello Fiore over Evileye. So many potential characters from Overlord could be used in Langrisser, its overwhelming. My 2 cents.
For a new player like me, summoning for a limited character ( LLR BS) which I have not yet pulled into a limited collab is irritating and overwhelmed
Langrisser SEA also have this rerun.
@@henrymanalo1395 ooh that’s interesting, had no idea
@@MythosZ I am also surprised since tjertis about a 6 month gap between internationsl And SEA
how will they re-run the EOL skins if the event ends on the 16th and the current EOL doesnt end till the 16th too but ONLY the Chris SR skin is possible UNLESS the day aftet they put in the EOL skins
Has they made Sakura Wars rerun yet?
It reran once already, haven't seen a collab rerun 3 times yet.
@@igable82 guess I returned a tad bit too late
Im out of luck, too. 😢 I'm happy I at least have Iris from the first run.
The crossovers are just not popular enough for 70-80 percent of the players to care about. Obviously money issues but it’s a waste of money in itself if people arent buying this crossovers. They should do a poll to decide crossovers or just dont it
The biggest names I know of were Overlord and Gintama and I was pretty excited to see those. Overlord drew me in despite just missing it. The rest I've never heard of. I guess there might be a cost involved if they bring in some of the newest Anime, where they need to balance the cost of the license vs the potenial income/new player base to have a net profit. Though checking some comments/streamers, they've been hyped over some of the past collabs.
But...but.... but....in CN they DO get casting skill? No???😢
@@michaelnielsen7827 I haven’t caught up with CN yet which is why I didn’t know but I was informed that yes they did however Global… there wasn’t anything new in the update notice mentioning it
Loved this game for years but perhaps its time to move on? May be possible that EOS is around the corner and they want to see how to increase income before that happens?
EOS is far from soon, Langrisser Global makes good enough income and CN is the hard carry for this game as they make nearly 2 million every month