Cane Mill Roller Refurb: Welding up Journals and Machining them Back Down
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Cane Mill Roller Refurb: Welding up Journals and Machining them Back Down
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I liked that one. Jim is fortunate to have access to that voice-activated remote control weld positioner. It’s so well engineered that it actually understands and responds to commands like “ what in the heck are you doin?” Good job! Looking forward to the babbit pour. 😎👍👀 🧑🏭
Finally, a welding job Keith can do!
Keith is the "Alexa" of Abom's shop.
Enjoyed this Keith! We had a cane mill and a mule when I was a kid and I would ride the wagon and my grandpa would whittle a piece of cane to chew on and I would usually get sick. When I was older I would tend the Mule all day and wish for the wagon ride. Good memories, glad folks are keeping those traditions going.
Im a bit behind and disorganized wth your videos, but i wanted to say that I've been watching this channel for years and really appreciate all your expertise and experience.
This sort of hits close to my heart. Though I've lived in FL for four years now, I lived in KY for 59+ years. Hancock Co.("Sorghum capital of the World") to be exact. My neighbor down the road grew sorghum cane and ever fall, he'd hook up his "H" Farmall to the cane mill, grind the cane and cook the juice into sorghum. Keith, if you happen to go to Tell City again in late September/October, go on across the river to Hawesville and buy some sorghum from "Bills on the Hill". DISCLAIMER: I'm not responsible if this sweet syrup with hot biscuits causes you to gain weight!! :-)
I always weld shafts length ways start on one side go 180 degrees make another pass. just keep switching back and forth. Keeps the shaft straight and low spots to a minimum. looks good.
This was captivating in a very relaxing way. Love the fact that you are so dedicated in keeping these older traditions of food processing alive. The Babbitt's will be neat to watch get made. Thanks for sharing...
Sleeving the shafts might have less trouble but, I have welded and turned many shafts with excellent results.Good job.
Thanks heaps Keith
This video reminded me of the first place I worked
which was a mold shop.
Once in a while a mold cavity would need a weld
to repair a tool mark or wear point. The welder would put the part to be welded on a large burner to preheat it before welding. As I was told this was to cut down shrinkage around the edge of the weld . Shrinkage causes a low area around the edge of the weld. I learned a awful lot there and at at the time they built plastic injection molds all on manual machines. They did some beautiful work.
I’m not sure if you knew Jim Bollinger before, but it seems that you’ve made some really good friends from your UA-cam channel. It’s fun to see everyone helping each other out with what are some tricky jobs. Thanks for sharing this with us!
You’re the man, Keith. Thanks for the vid.
Enjoyed this one good job Keith!
Truly a bit of "Southern Engineering"! Well done! BTW: I sure would hate to have to feed you two southern boys......
I hear dinner in the back ground. 🦃🦃🦃🦃🦃 😎👍
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.
Looks good Keith, alot of people around here still work cane and make molasses. Great repair.
Nice job
Like no. 1, Muantabe from Jakarta Indonesia 👍
Thanks Keith.
Thanks for sharing !!!
I remember there was a man not far from my home who had a old cane mill, driven by a horse. We used to chew on the sugar canes as kids.
Very w , thanks for the ride
To make a short story long...When I worked at National Steel in Ecourse Michigan, I spent some time working in the roll shop. We had Mesta machines for rolling slabs into sheet steel. One rolling mill was 80 inches wide and one was 96 inches. When the roll surface was too rough to make good sheet metal, the roll was taken out of the mill and went to the roll shop to be resurfaced. The Mesta mill stand had a 52 ton backup roll on the bottom, a 26 ton work roll, a 26 ton work roll and a 52 ton backup roll on top. When the rolls get too rough to make good sheet metal, they take them to the roll shop and grind a new surface on them in a roll lathe. When they are ground down to a minimum diameter, they put them in a lathe with a submerged arc welder and build them back up to size. If they ever break off the journal on the end of the roll, the roll is scrap and they cut it up with an oxygen lance.
Thanks for the cool video Keith.
Great video Keith, I'm going to rebuild a 2 roll mill soon. I have some logging and sawmill stuff I pull out of the woods here on our place near exit 5.
Thank you.
That's a pretty amazing duty cycle on that welder!!!! STILL GOIN!!!
Jim is a Lincoln rep and instructor. I would imagine he has access to a pretty stout welder!
Interesting project
Good welding info.
I enjoyed the video as usual. I guess the old machines were built heavy enough to basically run forever with a few repairs.
Nice job Keith.
The good old fashioned Armstrong welding positioner!
I’ve been subscribed for years now, and even though I have post notifications on, I don’t see videos in my subscription feed nor am I notified.
Yes, UA-cam is not doing their job. Frustrating. Please check my channel often as I usually post two videos a week, on Monday and Friday.
in the early 90s Ford Taurus had disk brake rotors that had a steel hat and cast iron rotor, they were such a pain to turn on the brake rotor lathe, chatter was really common.. eventually, the adapters to mount them on the lathe arbor made it a lot better...
Hiya Keith
Oh, wow! Another self taught guy with exemplary welding skills.
Interesting to watch the process but wondered why id the drum was cast and shaft was steel why the shaft wasn't removed and a new shaft made/pushed into place.
Anyone else hear the turkey gobble at 8:16?
I think it sounded off twice.
My friend who rebuilds shafts for a living tells me you never radially build up worn shafts.
Speeds & Feeds Keith. slower down a bit on those form tools. Nice work!
~M~ Thanks for the vid
To be more pecisely - at least they wanted to make bourbon whiskey out of the syrup to get rid of the metallic taste. 😁
I have a Golden's American made cast iron smoker/grill they are still in business in Georgia USA.
Was that a turkey I keep hearing. I first hear it around the 8:00 mark
Lay a bar of lead on the shaft while getting chatter and lower your rpm to clear it up......
I could hear a lot of squeaking from that weld positioner, I think Keith needs to oil his elbows or his wrists, maybe use some Ben-gay on those problem joints! Nice job, should work good, does the machine need new babbet bearing material installed? From the looks of those shafts it does!
After watching the rest of the video, I realized that you have to pour the babbet to match the shaft. I guess you can teach an old dog!
Just curious, what is the benefit of building up the shafts as opposed to just machining them and using more Babbitt? Or machining some sleeves? Don't get me wrong, it was really interesting to see this process, I was just hoping to understand the decision making
Jim has probably forgotten more about welding than I will ever know.
I'd really like to come there and volunteer. I've got 33 yrs. job shop and prototyping experience.
If you get chatter and you can't change the setup, you can still work against it.Like lower the RPM or speed up the feedrate, or both.
I am surprised a welder of Jim's ability does not have a weld positioner but
again, there is still a mule turning the roller. :-)
18:35 Keith - you said you'd take another 100 thou cut - is that 100 thou off the diameter - so really only a 50 thou DoC ?
This maybe another difference between US and UK lathes - tool travel on the cross slide in the UK is usually the thous shown on the dial, not half that amount.
19:16 looks to me like a 50 thou cut, not 0·1".
I have a Columbus No. 18 I am restoring, I have learned a lot about the babbitt and re-doing the bearings. One question I have is which hardness of ingots do you start with? Checking Amazon, there are lots of choices ( #2, grade 7, # 4 to name a few), which is best for the cane mill?
Why are so many calling it "MIG", when it in the case of carbon-steel welding actually is called "MAG". MIG/MAG is good enough though. The only difference is the type of shielding-gas mixture, but an extremely important difference.
When welding most other metals, an Inert gas such as pure Argon is used, in contrast to an Active gas such as 100 % Carbon-Dioxide or a Gas-mixture such as 80% Argon, ~20 % Carbon-Dioxide and a trace of Oxygen, used on carbon-steel.
GMAW / MAG = Gas Metal Arc Welding Active Gas.
Nice video.
MIG is the original name for GMAW. Metal Inert Gas. Interesting enough MAG was the name for Metal Active Gas for when you had CO2 or oxygen in the mix. Both MIG and MAG are GMAW processes.
TLDR: just the old names, is all
7:36 When you heat the shaft, there is pressure on the cast wheel on it.
There's a cane mill in the Sergeant York movie, Gary Cooper talking to Ward Bond, with the mill in the frame and the mule walking around both of them.
ONE of my favorite movies, I have it on DVD,
How about turning the shaft down, until it is parallel, then sweating on a sleeve.
That actually could work but as someone who used to do journal buildup in a rubber mill it could work but with a good enough welder it may be as fast to just weld it and turn it.
@@gregorytimmons4777 With welding, is there not a danger of distorting the shaft, due to the heat?
@@BedsitBob Yes, there is that danger, but if you preheat as was shown and then balance the extra heat inclusion from the welding all of the way around the shaft it should be OK. The other thing to watch is the the shaft is allowed to cool down slowly and evenly. Exposure to a breeze while cooling down could negate all of your previous efforts by cooling one side faster than the other.
I was wondering.. why not turn it down and shrink on a sleeve out of some high C goodness ?
I forgot to include Jim
One other question, what type of insert are you using that can handle an uninterrupted cut on weld!? How many tips did you go through?
had you thought that the vibration could have been that the pully was running out a bit
Is Jim ever going to produce anymore videos? I know he was super busy with the whole Covid issue with him being a first responder, but I figured we'd see something from him, especially since his other Social Media has been active.
👍👍👍👍👍
I would have restored the grooves in the small rollers.
KEITH, TELL EVERYBODY HI FOR ME, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, TILL NEXT TIME...
That big roller looked like it had a lot of wear in the middle.
just wondering if a sleeve would have worked
Was in the bearing business for years. A "SpeediSleeve" is a patch at best but wouldn't work with that much taper. You'd still have to weld up and turn down.
Didn't you do a similar one like this a while back?
He deals w/worn out sugar mills every so often, yes.
When welding it up, would the heat buildup been less if he started on the end and worked his way towards the pulley?
I think it would be worse working from the thin area first...
I always started on the lowest spot regardless of location. I never used GMAW (mig). I always used SMAW (stick). I doubt I’ll ever have do another shaft but if I do I might try GMAW.
Keith, I need your help. I purchased a rucker straight edge casting from the store. Can't get anyone to respond to my emails about the order. It's been over 2 weeks ago and I would like to hear something.
The man that is doing the casting has been having a lot of equipment problems. That may have something to do with it.
I understand but it wouldn't take a minute to notify me and let me know what's going on.
@@williamcullum8379 The business model is you'll get it if and when we feel like getting around to it so don't bother asking. As he said here, this cane roller project has been sitting around for months. The stoker engine project is over a year old now and still not finished. If you get your straight edge inside of 6 weeks you'll be one of the lucky ones.
Another babbitt pour!
I think Jim was OK that the welding beads were not perfect. I think he said it 2 dozen times.
The only time I seen a cane mill used was in the Gary Cooper movie " Sargent York".
I would of turned the taper down and turned a sleeve to press on it.
Kieth it's never critical with you ..
“Agrarian”… don’t hear that very often.
Does Keith get paid in syrup for this job??
Would not the babbett flow into the inclusion and cause problems?
No
They'll scrape the bearing before it's put into use...
Machinists....Put them over there...I'll get to it next week.......(not)
You could have used that huge drill bit of yours to bore out those damaged ends.
Woulda, coulda, moment ... pet kitty.
Then put a new shaft thru them.
If you go to TIMKIN BEARING.
Order up the size you need.
No babbitt bearings.. last forever.. build bearing races and dump in a sealed bearing.
Also just carpet around rafters. Throw cat up . You'll feel eyes on ya and kitty avoids sharps. If not scale model rail road track around the property. They have one at a store in OLYMPIA. TOP FOOD. They fill the cars with candy and fresh cakes and doughnuts . Horrible place for me to visit.
I'm fat. Ha Ha
Awesome for x-mass.
Not endorced by dentist's!
I'm sure there's clubs that would build that out for ya. There are awesome oldie model steam trains out there. You'll be playing and never stop and get nothin done.
I'm kinda thinkin lemon aide or ice tea. Delivery to the shop , maybe a kitty treat or apple fritters. Yum
or could you heat it and press in another new shaft
Love the video as always
But damn American welders make me laugh the way you talk about a basic weld like it’s something special and need a proceeder makes it all seem so complicated
Nah Mate! Most of us do it like Kurtis at Cutting Edge Engineering Australia does! BTW have a XXXX on me! ')
@@PhilG999 dame that’s good to know don’t feel as though I’m missing something just a Put on for the camera I guess was wounding what they think of him
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One of Your worstest jobs! And there were already a few!
"worstest" !! ?? Are you trying to start shit, or shall we call the Paramedics?
@@paulcopeland9035 , call the paramedics!
They will be the only ones that care what this dolt thinks.
Thanks for sharing!