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@@hellomiami4012 Incidents I've heard on this channel from the US have often (not always) felt quite a bit messier, often without even a full understanding on whether there was an emergency for a while, because pilots somehow don't like to say it...
This has nothing to do with Canadians, if you're familiar even the slightest about the aviation industry, you would know this is the standard everywhere, what do you think they do elsewhere? Curse at each other during an emergency!
I do Customer Service for Canadian and I really love them! They are so kind, if they don’t understand my accent they just ask to repeat myself or slow down
Always weird knowing that these are my colleagues and that it could've easily been me! I trained with the In-Charge FA working that flight. Our pilots deserve a world-class contract.
People wondering why just a PAN PAN and not a MAYDAY, comes down captain judgement, if it’s not an imminent life threatening situation there’s no need for a MAYDAY call. By the looks of it was just a compressor stall, you can hear the pilot tell atc that hey had to reduce thrust to control the compressor stall on that engine, no engine shutdown at that point. Can’t tell if they landed single engine but doesn’t looks like they shutdown that engine at any point. Biggest threat seemed the weather, runway wet, overweight landing with all that fuel going to Paris and no fuel jettison done, brake temperature after landing and most likely a bit of asymmetric thrust depending how much they had to reduce the thrust on that engine.
Yeah the professionalism and collaboration was outstanding. The controllers were attentive and let the crew aviate without having to communicate non-stop. When people say how planes fly themselves and we don’t need pilots or ATC, I sigh…
Incredible calmness and professionalism given the situation. Hats off to Air Canada pilots for pulling this off. I know twin engine jets are designed to fly on one engine, but still given the situation, this is great airmanship. I think it needs to be said - Kudos to Boeing for making a reliable airplane in the 777.
Btw, gusty winds, likely only flying a single engine approach on a wet runway and for sure overweight. Lots of things working against them. Yet they sounded as cool as cucumbers.
@@TDOBrandano This WASN'T a mayday, but a 'pan-pan'. My understanding is that for maydays, fuel and souls MUST be provided and pan-pans are urgent situations that are uncertain
@@OntarioTrafficMan Let's agree to disagree. Pearson Dave is underrated anyway LOL (IDK how everybody focuses on Kennedy Steve - our ground control up here in the YYZ region is spectacular, even on a bad day)
Although compressor stall is not a terrible emergency, and in majority of cases goes away by just reducing power on the affected engine, this crew and ATC handled it perfectly and the way it should be done!
Sounded about the same as any actual situation, I can barely understand the AC pilot he's talking at the speed of light. Fully understand why often times things are asked twice or more. He slowed down his speech after a bit, but at first it was panicked and unintelligible really.
@@profligatepassagesnever heard any panic, thought he was very clear and easy to understand. He told ATC to standby twice (meaning he will call them back with intentions when they are ready) but ATC kept asking him for intentions when they were likely in the middle of checklists. Only trying to help but in that situation it’s a bit distracting for the pilots. The pilots could’ve requested a hold earlier to prevent being interrupted. All in all very professional from both sides though.
Absolutely a compressor stall. Watch the original video if you can find it. Nothing else *thumps* and pops like that on a running engine, while allowing the engine to keep turning. If you know what a "backfire" is in the piston world, this is the turbine equivalent.
This happened to me onetime when I was just taking off and had a fire blow out the rear end but she knew it was just cuz of TacoBell and wasn't too mad.
I was on this flight. I have the ticket to prove it if anybody is interested. I'd love to provide some more information from the perspective of a passenger if that's something anybody would be interested in.
Well handled by all involved. If that thunderstorm weather had drifted closer to the airport the story would have become a much longer one ... with, perhaps, a single engine diversion to Montreal or Ottawa?
@@BigTunaTim76 I love when UA-cam does that, and there's no difference at all in the text when you click it. Surely the software could be set up to detect that result and not offer to translate.
Scary, yes, but fortunately not very dangerous. Compressor stalls are loud and flashy, but typically just cause a loss of thrust from that engine. Sometimes the engine can even continue to operate at a lower power.
What I DIDN'T hear here was, "Air Canada 872 PAN PAN" followed by ATC asking "Air Canada 872 do you need something?" followed by, "Air Canada 872 declaring PAN PAN" followed by ATC asking for fuel remaining, souls onboard, followed by another ATC asking the same question... you know the drill...
I just checked the NY Post's article on this, and the comment section is ALL uninformed anti-Boeing. Had to read over 100 comments to find someone who recognized a compressor stall, and then I had to come straight here for a breath of fresh air.
C-FIUV Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER. It is a 16.3 year old airframe. It is similar to the plane they decalled for the Olympians this summer, C-FITW Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER, which is a 17 year old airframe. Hope that plane makes it to the Paris Olympics with no issue.
no demand for souls on board and fuel remaining, no overreacting, very concise, effective comms and great work by both pilots and ATC. my question for Canadian pilots is: what does "checked remarks" mean from the pilot? sounds like it's their way of acknowledging additional information or instructions (pilot didn't read back "maintain 3000 til glidepath" - he just said "cleared the ILS 23 approach" and also said "checked remarks" after the landing clearance call from tower who included the latest winds)
EK448 heading to Auckland turned around after nearly 4 hours in the air back to Dubai, I wonder what's going on. It's landed just now. No atc to listen to sadly
You should have left the original audio of the compressor stall video from the ground. It’s impressive in itself. Cutting over it with ATC takes away in this case.
Possibly related to Air Canada maintenance practices? These days I am not exactly impressed with any aspect of AC, from lack of flight crew friendliness (recent flights) , hearing of back to back cancelled flights on a major route (last week) crappy long haul flight meal . Hopefully this incident is not due to improper or inadequate maintenance . Could have been disastrous.
Did they hold all departures until this flight had landed? Also, is it common to give a holding spot to an emergency aircraft on the approach path (I assume it was to have them ready to come in as quickly as possible)?
If I had to guess, they could have gotten some departures out after they asked for a hold. In the initial phase ATC was uncertain of the urgency of the situation so cleared all the runways as a precaution.
How much work does an engine need after a compressor stall? Is it just checked out for no damage and night shift can send it out again or is there something actually wrong with it that needs shop time?
Modern transport category jet engines typically don’t compressor stall or flame out unless there is some sort of mechanical failure preceding the event. My guess is something broke before the compressor stall and the engine will require maintenance.
Yes, I believe they had to fly a holding pattern to dump fuel (2/3 of the way through this video AC872 got told to hold just outside the Runway 23 localizer, so that they weren't overweight when they were ready to take everybody back to Pearson.)
Not necessarily if they were already below their Max Landing Weight. Or they can just perform an overweight landing (landing above the max weight permitted).
@@dukeofrodtown1705 do you really think they dumped fuel in that circle at 3000 feet? Then you need to learn more about aviation and not come to your own conclusions. You cannot dump over populated areas at that low altitude and without telling ATC.
@@VASAviation Well technically you *can* makes the news if you do though. Thinking of Delta Airlines flight Flight 89; LA to Shanghai, January 14, 2020
It's used to tell someone that they've also received the other info in the transmission that isn't required to be repeated back. The first time he uses it seems to be a reflex and unnecessary (there wasn't anything in the transmission from ATC that he didn't need to repeat). The second time was to acknowledge the weather and runway condition.
Almost perfect ATC comms. Crew was a 10+. I imagine if a US airport the crew would continually be peppered with nonsense questions, long orations, and otherwise useless distractions. Plus, some one would be asking if they need the equipment.
! ! ! IT IS MANDATORY TO ALL “controllers” and “US authorities” TO LEARN FROM THIS EVENT ! ! ! ! ! ! NO YELLING, NO RUSH, ONLY THE STRICTLY NECESSARY ! ! ! ! ! ! US “controllers & authorities”, Be HUMBLE and LEARN FROM IT ! ! !
US ATC: fuel in pounds ? Pilot: we have 14,000kgs US ATC: fuel in pounds ? Pilot: 3hrs of fuel US ATC: fuel in POUNDS ? Pilot: we paid in Euros US ATC: FUEL IN POUNDS ?? Pilot: We've already landed...
Twin engine transport category airplanes are certified to fly on one engine, so there is no rush to land immediately. The crew needs time to complete the checklist for the non-normal (compressor stall) and determine what other systems might be affected. They may need to re-configure the airplane for single engine operation (eg. Start the APU, etc.). Then they need to compute the landing weight in order to plug it into the computer to compute the landing distance. Based on that, the crew then decide which airport and runway will result in the lowest-risk landing based on things such as runway length, and weather, to include winds. If the crew decide to utilize autoland, wind limits and system limits must be reviewed and briefed. If the crew decides to dump fuel, that checklist needs to be run and the dump needs to be coordinated with ATC. If an overweight landing is determined to be the best course of action, there is a checklist for that as well. Then the approach charts need to pulled up and the approach needs to be loaded into the FMS and briefed by the crew. Then the crew needs to run the IN RANGE, APPROACH, and BEFORE LANDING checklists. All this while communicating with ATC, the Cabin Crew, and Dispatch. It takes a while.
The controller has provided extra information not normally required (example: runway is wet) and "checked remarks" is the pilot confirming he has heard this extra information.
@@IcthioVelocipede thank you! I figured it was something like that, but having not come across it before I wanted to see if there was anything more going on with it
It's easy: Pan Pan means: Urgency, someone needs more attention than others. Mayday means: Drop everything else you are doing! And an engine fire is not a "drop everything else you are doing" situation.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Little addition: an engine fire "on a twin or 4 engine airplane" is not a "drop everything else you are doing" situation. If this was a single engine cessna, engine fire or compressor stall on that single engine would be Mayday
Panpan is the callsign for an emergency situation, similar to Mayday. Panpan as when a fault that affects flight ability occurs, meanwhile Mayday is when a fault that puts the crew and passengers immediately at risk occurs.
That day was 27th December 1991. The plane didn't even have a dual engine failure check list. What it did have was an off duty pilot who had concocted a low altitude dual engine failure checklist in his head in his free time, so everyone survived.
@@VASAviation the engine explosion highlighted in this video, the whistle blower scandles where boeing whistleblowers are taking their own lives, 737-8 maxcomputer glitches that downed 2 planes, 737-9 max missing bolts on wings and doors, 737-9 max door violently expelled from the plane, 737 plane engine exploding where a passenger's half body nearly got sucked out the plane, boeing 767 safety slide exit slide detaches from the plane mid flight, fedex front gear fails to lower which forced it to land on its belly in Turkey, CEO Dave Calhaun stepping down, 737-8 engine falling off from a southwest plane. All these incidents happened in a short span of time and all these planes had the US government eyeing on boeing. I understand it could have been airline mechanics own problem where maybe they skipped a check list and possibly neglected to do their job but passengers, media, and the FAA are all eyeing on boeing as the culprit.
@@louisviola9763 Doesn't matter. Compressor stall can happen on any turbine application. Besides, Boeing makes the planes, not the parts that go onto the planes. The engines are General Electric's baby, but again, compressor stalls don't give a fig what brand the turbine is.
Aviate, navigate, communicate. They were probably occupied with the engine fire while taking off, once you have everything under control then you communicate the emergency.
Aviation, navigate, communicate. Everyone knew there was an emergency. The pan pan declaration just made it clear what level of emergency so there was no misunderstanding.
Yeh, rightio guys. Any pilot knows the ANC mantra. Watch the Thomsonfly bird strike and similar compressor stall that had an almost instantaneous Mayday call from the cockpit. That shut down comms on the frequency almost immediately and allowed the cockpit time and space to talk to the tower.
Not particularly, handled exactly as it should have been which meant no-one was harmed, just delayed/inconvenienced. Doesn’t look like a developed fire, more like a compressor stall. If it was a fire then they’d discharge the extinguisher to put it out, and they were never far from the airport/help. Doesn’t seem particularly dangerous at all, maybe alarming for passengers but I’ve no doubt the crew will have communicated and reassured passengers. Still far more likely to die on your way to the airport 🤷♂️
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You’re a good person!
Hope they were ok
Excellent capture by the spotter!!
It was me.
I know 737 aviation posted about it when he was in Toronto unsure if they were the original poster.
The kindness of Canadians is incredible. This was handled so well by all parties involved, including the pilots on ground who saw it/reported it!
I'm pretty sure this would be the standard everywhere at airports
@@hellomiami4012 Incidents I've heard on this channel from the US have often (not always) felt quite a bit messier, often without even a full understanding on whether there was an emergency for a while, because pilots somehow don't like to say it...
This has nothing to do with Canadians, if you're familiar even the slightest about the aviation industry, you would know this is the standard everywhere, what do you think they do elsewhere? Curse at each other during an emergency!
I do Customer Service for Canadian and I really love them! They are so kind, if they don’t understand my accent they just ask to repeat myself or slow down
Kindness of canadians? That is such a myth I don't know where that ever came from.
Always weird knowing that these are my colleagues and that it could've easily been me! I trained with the In-Charge FA working that flight. Our pilots deserve a world-class contract.
I like listening to this controller on Toronto’s ATC feed. He has the most calming voice.
Pilots are hero’s, they did that with the upmost professionalism and patience.
People wondering why just a PAN PAN and not a MAYDAY, comes down captain judgement, if it’s not an imminent life threatening situation there’s no need for a MAYDAY call. By the looks of it was just a compressor stall, you can hear the pilot tell atc that hey had to reduce thrust to control the compressor stall on that engine, no engine shutdown at that point. Can’t tell if they landed single engine but doesn’t looks like they shutdown that engine at any point. Biggest threat seemed the weather, runway wet, overweight landing with all that fuel going to Paris and no fuel jettison done, brake temperature after landing and most likely a bit of asymmetric thrust depending how much they had to reduce the thrust on that engine.
If a Boeing 747 loses an engine it may not even be a pan pan depending on the airline.
@@VpmattSure, but the cost (both money and pollution wise) of running 4 engines is prohibitive these days.
Damn 🔥 that’s some knowledge! 👍🏼
Would thrust reversers be available in that scenario? If not, presumably that's a big limitation on a wet runway.
I heard some increased thrust on some videos, probably they powered up the working engine then?
Glad they got it straightened oot.
😅
We're sorry aboot that
No it's "oat" ! So "out and about" is "oat and a boat" lol
Figured it ewt
They got it straightened oot and aboot
Yeah the professionalism and collaboration was outstanding. The controllers were attentive and let the crew aviate without having to communicate non-stop. When people say how planes fly themselves and we don’t need pilots or ATC, I sigh…
They fly themselves ... until they fail to do so.
Perfect communication by the book. Well done pilots and ATC.
classic compressor stall
For a Rolls Royce
@@deeremeyer1749 GE90
Incredible calmness and professionalism given the situation. Hats off to Air Canada pilots for pulling this off. I know twin engine jets are designed to fly on one engine, but still given the situation, this is great airmanship. I think it needs to be said - Kudos to Boeing for making a reliable airplane in the 777.
Boeing and reliable in the same sentence? Unbelievable!
Btw, gusty winds, likely only flying a single engine approach on a wet runway and for sure overweight. Lots of things working against them. Yet they sounded as cool as cucumbers.
@@driventotears- the 777 is a joy to fly and is very easy to handle in such conditions.
@@EdOeuna a testament to how thoughtfully designed and well built that plane is. Boeing was a different company back in the early 90s.
@@suratroadkingpvtltd5769 sorry pal. 777 and GE90 are great machines.
YYZ staff and Toronto area ATC showing why their professionalism and skill remains unrivaled!
They forgot to ask for fuel on board, in gallons, hours, liters and/or fluid ounces, and souls on board, including/excluding redheads.
@@TDOBrandano This WASN'T a mayday, but a 'pan-pan'. My understanding is that for maydays, fuel and souls MUST be provided and pan-pans are urgent situations that are uncertain
@@TDOBrandano😂😂
I think Schiphol (AMS/EHAM) matches or exceeds them but yeah YYZ seems to have very good traffic control
@@OntarioTrafficMan Let's agree to disagree. Pearson Dave is underrated anyway LOL (IDK how everybody focuses on Kennedy Steve - our ground control up here in the YYZ region is spectacular, even on a bad day)
Great communications procedures. Very professional.
Excellent work from both the pilots and ATC. Well done👏🏻
Much better/clearer comms., than some U.S. based pilots.
Plus, the willingness to declare PAN PAN, immediately.
I did that one night in Buenos Ares in a 76. Wonderful 76 flew beautifully on one engine. 365,000lbs.
The triple is the big brother of the 76. Both are great machines!
Although compressor stall is not a terrible emergency, and in majority of cases goes away by just reducing power on the affected engine, this crew and ATC handled it perfectly and the way it should be done!
Excellent transcription here, you guys have stepped up your game compared to before. Keep up the great work!
Sounded far more 'professional' than many of the comms from 'south of the border' that we often hear on YT 🤭
And they get paid half as much 😢
Sounded about the same as any actual situation, I can barely understand the AC pilot he's talking at the speed of light. Fully understand why often times things are asked twice or more. He slowed down his speech after a bit, but at first it was panicked and unintelligible really.
@@profligatepassagesEveryone sounded pretty calm to me. No different to what I hear in Canada and the US.
@@pullingweeds yea generally speaking it was an identical communication, just seemed like he was rushing his statements a bit up to the panpan callout
@@profligatepassagesnever heard any panic, thought he was very clear and easy to understand. He told ATC to standby twice (meaning he will call them back with intentions when they are ready) but ATC kept asking him for intentions when they were likely in the middle of checklists. Only trying to help but in that situation it’s a bit distracting for the pilots. The pilots could’ve requested a hold earlier to prevent being interrupted. All in all very professional from both sides though.
Looks like compressor stall to this uneducated enthusiast, be interested to find out. Fantastic work getting this posted so quickly
Indeed looks like it
Absolutely a compressor stall. Watch the original video if you can find it.
Nothing else *thumps* and pops like that on a running engine, while allowing the engine to keep turning.
If you know what a "backfire" is in the piston world, this is the turbine equivalent.
Air Canada confirms a compressor stall.
Great job form the pilots and controllers for safely managing this. Glad everyone made it home safe.
This was just this past Wednesday evening. A major thunderstorm was coming through and they wanted to try to avoid it and its winds.
I was wondering about that.
This happened to me onetime when I was just taking off and had a fire blow out the rear end but she knew it was just cuz of TacoBell and wasn't too mad.
Did she declare a PAN-PAN?
@@somejoe7777 Yeah but I dodged it by authorizing a go around and came in for an emergency landing after dumping some fuel!
I was on this flight.
I have the ticket to prove it if anybody is interested.
I'd love to provide some more information from the perspective of a passenger if that's something anybody would be interested in.
Would have been a Mayday but in Canada everyone is so relaxed. Only time there is a Mayday in Canada is any day in May
Well handled by all involved. If that thunderstorm weather had drifted closer to the airport the story would have become a much longer one ... with, perhaps, a single engine diversion to Montreal or Ottawa?
I love the way he said "Pan Pan Pan Pan PanPanPan Pan"
3 groups of PAN-PAN, which is how it should be done. It's written in the radio manual and regulations.
@@VASAviation Exactly. The adherence to proper phraseology is another trademark of the Canadians.
RLT will be disappointed.
also very funny that youtube added a "Translate to English" link to this post
@@BigTunaTim76
I love when UA-cam does that, and there's no difference at all in the text when you click it. Surely the software could be set up to detect that result and not offer to translate.
Will be checking Juan Browne’s page for his analysis on this incident
he only does the ones that crash
Wow, that's scary. I'm glad they made it down safe
Scary, yes, but fortunately not very dangerous. Compressor stalls are loud and flashy, but typically just cause a loss of thrust from that engine. Sometimes the engine can even continue to operate at a lower power.
Outstanding communication! Barely even a stutter!
Well done on the pilot being able to say "oot", twice 🙂
As a Canadian, this is the most Canadian accent I’ve ever heard. 😅
When the pilot said "let us straighten this oot", I totally knew what he was talking aboot.
On JUN8 AC1791 diverted back to PUJ and remained on the RNWY. What I've heard it was an emergency divert, maybe can check that out
All involved seemed to handle this pan-pan not different than a mayday, except for not asking for souls and fuel on board.
Which worked nice
What I DIDN'T hear here was, "Air Canada 872 PAN PAN" followed by ATC asking "Air Canada 872 do you need something?" followed by, "Air Canada 872 declaring PAN PAN" followed by ATC asking for fuel remaining, souls onboard, followed by another ATC asking the same question... you know the drill...
at least it didn’t crash
YYZ. A great song.
2112
R.I.P. Neil
Looking forward to my flights out west this summer...
gotta feel for the people sitting by the wings that get front row view to the show.
Nicely done guys!
American Airlines veered off the runway in jamaica on Thursday wasnt mentioned any where excepet for the jamaican news
I saw this on freaking flight radar!
'.... straighten this ooot...' ;) :)
Commonwealth countries know how to deploy the PANPAN. Just sayin' ;)
We’re coming back for 23 …. Hopefully….😳
How you Yanks hear 'oot' when you guys say 'aout' will never cease to baffle me.
@@twinlamp Oot and aboot in a boot.....my friend from Calgary's dialect.
Exactly, do you put your TUQUE on do you put on a toque?
I just checked the NY Post's article on this, and the comment section is ALL uninformed anti-Boeing. Had to read over 100 comments to find someone who recognized a compressor stall, and then I had to come straight here for a breath of fresh air.
C-FIUV Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER. It is a 16.3 year old airframe. It is similar to the plane they decalled for the Olympians this summer, C-FITW Air Canada Boeing 777-300ER, which is a 17 year old airframe. Hope that plane makes it to the Paris Olympics with no issue.
no demand for souls on board and fuel remaining, no overreacting, very concise, effective comms and great work by both pilots and ATC.
my question for Canadian pilots is: what does "checked remarks" mean from the pilot?
sounds like it's their way of acknowledging additional information or instructions (pilot didn't read back "maintain 3000 til glidepath" - he just said "cleared the ILS 23 approach" and also said "checked remarks" after the landing clearance call from tower who included the latest winds)
Just a way to acknowledge something that doesn’t require a readback.
I wonder what his landing weight was if
CDG was the destination?
I was supposed to be on the same flight but the next day😢😅
EK448 heading to Auckland turned around after nearly 4 hours in the air back to Dubai, I wonder what's going on. It's landed just now. No atc to listen to sadly
Boeing acronym for “Burning Of Engines Is Never Good”
Good job AC pilots 👏
Looks like a compressor stall. Those appear a lot more dangerous than they actually are. (The plane is not going to blow or catch fire.)
Last week same case in indonesia. Boeing 777.
Bonanza crash in Arvada, CO.
You should have left the original audio of the compressor stall video from the ground. It’s impressive in itself. Cutting over it with ATC takes away in this case.
shhhhh
That sound of the GE90 stalling and trying to spool back up is haunting
Afterburners!
Possibly related to Air Canada maintenance practices?
These days I am not exactly
impressed with any aspect of AC, from lack of flight crew friendliness (recent flights) , hearing of back to back cancelled flights on a major route (last week) crappy long haul flight meal . Hopefully this incident is not due to improper or inadequate maintenance . Could have been disastrous.
GOD BLESS... they landed safe and secured all over the airport facility...✈️🇨🇦
Another Boeing ??? Wow !!!
Did they hold all departures until this flight had landed? Also, is it common to give a holding spot to an emergency aircraft on the approach path (I assume it was to have them ready to come in as quickly as possible)?
If I had to guess, they could have gotten some departures out after they asked for a hold. In the initial phase ATC was uncertain of the urgency of the situation so cleared all the runways as a precaution.
I was kind of expecting the pilot to apologize for the inconvenience but okay
I've shouted,"Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan" after I've eaten an extra hot bean burrito.
Fruit of the Loom and Hanes underwear experienced a sudden spike in sales following this incident.
😂😂😂😂😂
Boeing share prices rise after preventing another tragic.
Rolls Royce quality.
How much work does an engine need after a compressor stall? Is it just checked out for no damage and night shift can send it out again or is there something actually wrong with it that needs shop time?
Modern transport category jet engines typically don’t compressor stall or flame out unless there is some sort of mechanical failure preceding the event. My guess is something broke before the compressor stall and the engine will require maintenance.
AC has great pilots,,❤ now if they would improve the grub they serve as meals 😢 barf
One question - don't they have to dump fuel given they were flying to Paris. Should have been a very heavy landing?
Yes, I believe they had to fly a holding pattern to dump fuel (2/3 of the way through this video AC872 got told to hold just outside the Runway 23 localizer, so that they weren't overweight when they were ready to take everybody back to Pearson.)
Not necessarily if they were already below their Max Landing Weight. Or they can just perform an overweight landing (landing above the max weight permitted).
@@dukeofrodtown1705 do you really think they dumped fuel in that circle at 3000 feet? Then you need to learn more about aviation and not come to your own conclusions. You cannot dump over populated areas at that low altitude and without telling ATC.
@@VASAviation Well technically you *can* makes the news if you do though.
Thinking of Delta Airlines flight Flight 89; LA to Shanghai, January 14, 2020
@@VASAviation That's what I meant
The most Canadian accent ever heard from ATC, eh.
Tower's a Newfie. Nuttin' ta worry about here, byes. Departure sounds like a local boy.
@@GWNorth-db8vn It's the tower, eh. Surprised no one said, "lard tunderin' bye."
@@GWNorth-db8vnthe dude in the tower is 100% Irish I know this because he’s my dad
@@adrianquinlan3989 - No one can tell them apart, anyway.
*Engine Pumping*
Air Canada is a horrendous airline with no customer service. That said, these pilots did a fine job
As mentioned, classic compressor stall.
What does "checked remarks" mean here?
It's used to tell someone that they've also received the other info in the transmission that isn't required to be repeated back. The first time he uses it seems to be a reflex and unnecessary (there wasn't anything in the transmission from ATC that he didn't need to repeat). The second time was to acknowledge the weather and runway condition.
Almost perfect ATC comms. Crew was a 10+. I imagine if a US airport the crew would continually be peppered with nonsense questions, long orations, and otherwise useless distractions. Plus, some one would be asking if they need the equipment.
! ! ! IT IS MANDATORY TO ALL “controllers” and “US authorities” TO LEARN FROM THIS EVENT ! ! !
! ! ! NO YELLING, NO RUSH, ONLY THE STRICTLY NECESSARY ! ! !
! ! ! US “controllers & authorities”, Be HUMBLE and LEARN FROM IT ! ! !
US ATC: fuel in pounds ?
Pilot: we have 14,000kgs
US ATC: fuel in pounds ?
Pilot: 3hrs of fuel
US ATC: fuel in POUNDS ?
Pilot: we paid in Euros
US ATC: FUEL IN POUNDS ??
Pilot: We've already landed...
I know it's a _serious_ comment when they slaughter punctuation this atrociously. Please, more caps, too. It makes you more sincere.
afogou o carbura hahaha
Waiting for the blame Boeing post
Go lower, you'll find it.
So awesome. Quick question - why not land right away? What was he figuring out? Is it that safe that they know it's not too imminent ?
Twin engine transport category airplanes are certified to fly on one engine, so there is no rush to land immediately. The crew needs time to complete the checklist for the non-normal (compressor stall) and determine what other systems might be affected. They may need to re-configure the airplane for single engine operation (eg. Start the APU, etc.). Then they need to compute the landing weight in order to plug it into the computer to compute the landing distance. Based on that, the crew then decide which airport and runway will result in the lowest-risk landing based on things such as runway length, and weather, to include winds. If the crew decide to utilize autoland, wind limits and system limits must be reviewed and briefed. If the crew decides to dump fuel, that checklist needs to be run and the dump needs to be coordinated with ATC. If an overweight landing is determined to be the best course of action, there is a checklist for that as well. Then the approach charts need to pulled up and the approach needs to be loaded into the FMS and briefed by the crew. Then the crew needs to run the IN RANGE, APPROACH, and BEFORE LANDING checklists. All this while communicating with ATC, the Cabin Crew, and Dispatch. It takes a while.
Can anybody enlighten me on what "Checked remarks" means?
The controller has provided extra information not normally required (example: runway is wet) and "checked remarks" is the pilot confirming he has heard this extra information.
@@IcthioVelocipede thank you! I figured it was something like that, but having not come across it before I wanted to see if there was anything more going on with it
please stop putting spoilers before or during the video! rather do a recap in the end!
Why?
@@VASAviation because I want to experience the situation without knowing the outcome before the end. The spoilers you present in advance ruins that.
Roger
Engine fire and just Pan Pan Pan? Wan not the case to call a May Day? Just asking.
Pan Pan is for severe mechanical issues but non life threatening; May Day is reserved for emergencies that maybe life threatening
If the pilots think there is no threat to life, they don't call mayday. Just pan pan.
It's easy: Pan Pan means: Urgency, someone needs more attention than others.
Mayday means: Drop everything else you are doing!
And an engine fire is not a "drop everything else you are doing" situation.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Little addition: an engine fire "on a twin or 4 engine airplane" is not a "drop everything else you are doing" situation. If this was a single engine cessna, engine fire or compressor stall on that single engine would be Mayday
@@harrynamkoong3361 I assumed this as a given. ;)
What is PANPAN PANPAN
Panpan is the callsign for an emergency situation, similar to Mayday. Panpan as when a fault that affects flight ability occurs, meanwhile Mayday is when a fault that puts the crew and passengers immediately at risk occurs.
Tower never requested souls on board or fuel?
Inexcusable!
@@malcolm20091000pan-pan, not mayday, so yes it’s excusable
should have, ARFF wants to know.
Pray every time you climb on a Boeing plane. Not the same Boeing superior product like 747 I used to fly without worries.
YYZ. DA da DA DA DA da DA DA DADA DA da DA DA DA....
Only song I can remember all the lyrics to.
@@GWNorth-db8vn 😂
One of the hardest I've played on bass
@@VASAviation You're had a go at it?! 😳 My respect sir. I'd put it in the too hard basket 😂
Toronto Tower is Irish, or from NFLD?
Irish he’s my dad
Isn't there 1 smart engineer to solve compressor stall? One day it will happen on both engines.
That day was 27th December 1991. The plane didn't even have a dual engine failure check list. What it did have was an off duty pilot who had concocted a low altitude dual engine failure checklist in his head in his free time, so everyone survived.
You can't solve compressor stalls, theoretically they can happen whenever. New engine, old engine, doesn't matter
Panpan is just anticlimactic. Mayday is epic.
Boing is just so much in trouble.
What does Boeing have to do with this?
@@VASAviation the engine explosion highlighted in this video, the whistle blower scandles where boeing whistleblowers are taking their own lives, 737-8 maxcomputer glitches that downed 2 planes, 737-9 max missing bolts on wings and doors, 737-9 max door violently expelled from the plane, 737 plane engine exploding where a passenger's half body nearly got sucked out the plane, boeing 767 safety slide exit slide detaches from the plane mid flight, fedex front gear fails to lower which forced it to land on its belly in Turkey, CEO Dave Calhaun stepping down, 737-8 engine falling off from a southwest plane. All these incidents happened in a short span of time and all these planes had the US government eyeing on boeing. I understand it could have been airline mechanics own problem where maybe they skipped a check list and possibly neglected to do their job but passengers, media, and the FAA are all eyeing on boeing as the culprit.
Boeing does not make engines
@@VASAviation yea, i think its G&E.
Why does it look like someone was waiting for it so it could be filmed?
Isn't it Pan Pan Pan, instead of Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan?
It’s Pan Pan x 3 (so 6 times)
Mayday x 3
If it's Boeing, I ain't going!
Nothing to do with Boeing
@@VASAviation I thought it was a triple 7?
@@louisviola9763 Doesn't matter. Compressor stall can happen on any turbine application. Besides, Boeing makes the planes, not the parts that go onto the planes. The engines are General Electric's baby, but again, compressor stalls don't give a fig what brand the turbine is.
Not air Canada again. Absolutely terrible customer service. Lucky their pilots are hot shots. They deserve more money.
That was not an engine fire, it was a compressor stall.
Looks like another Boeing
Surprised they didn’t call Pan straight away. But all handled well and a safe outcome👍
Aviate, navigate, communicate. They were probably occupied with the engine fire while taking off, once you have everything under control then you communicate the emergency.
Aviation, navigate, communicate. Everyone knew there was an emergency. The pan pan declaration just made it clear what level of emergency so there was no misunderstanding.
Aviate... oh, they already told you why.
Don't crash it, fly somewhere safe, talk to ATC. Oh, somebody also call it Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. They told you already.
Yeh, rightio guys. Any pilot knows the ANC mantra.
Watch the Thomsonfly bird strike and similar compressor stall that had an almost instantaneous Mayday call from the cockpit. That shut down comms on the frequency almost immediately and allowed the cockpit time and space to talk to the tower.
Looks like you’ve got a lot of fire , isn’t very helpful. It’s a compressor stall not an engine fire
There was fire? Yes.
@@VASAviation . The drills for fire and a stall are different . Clearly this is a stall not a fire
Very dangerour
Not particularly, handled exactly as it should have been which meant no-one was harmed, just delayed/inconvenienced. Doesn’t look like a developed fire, more like a compressor stall. If it was a fire then they’d discharge the extinguisher to put it out, and they were never far from the airport/help. Doesn’t seem particularly dangerous at all, maybe alarming for passengers but I’ve no doubt the crew will have communicated and reassured passengers.
Still far more likely to die on your way to the airport 🤷♂️
@@Strathclydegamer exactly, it might be a compressor stall
Has to be boeing
Controllers don't need to be giving flight crew frequency changes and full holding clearances while they are dealing with an emergency.
Zero idea you have, huh? There was only TWO positions involved here and the holding pilots requested for it. this was handled PERFECTLY!
It takes about 10 button presses to put in such a hold. Hardly difficult for two pilots.
Sometimes comments sound better in your head and shouldn’t be typed out. This was one of them, it just makes you look foolish