When the guy says to a South African guy that he needs to start traveling, remember most of foreign nationals they’re not travelers, they ran away from poor government countries
@@thinazondeka6969 different reasons. Some have been there for years when the country was better. The truth is SA is no longer a safe destination even for Ghanaian tourist. You government has granted visa free status for Ghanaians yet few people are even interested to tour SA
There are a lot of south Africans who don't know how to behave though. They rob, car jack, R@p# etc. It's a shame. They give the other south Africans a bad name.
Travelling is one thing then relocating is the other, saying South Africans do not travel is a friction especially when u call urself educated but u can not differentiate the 2.
I have a friend based in Gauteng, originally from Cameroon, he always tells how he doesn’t like Nigerians. So xenophobia exist in every country. Unfortunately SA is on the spotlight because they mostly meet here.
Nthabi it is world wide. I am based in the USA and Americans do hold a lot of prejudice against immigrants. You pick this in conversations especially when they are frustrated that their needs are not being met yet immigrants are benefiting mostly from tax payers. It is only given a name "xenophobia" when it relates to South Africa.
i dont think hating nigerians is being xenophobic peaple dont hate them just because they are nigerian its their reputation world wide its their dutity to fix their image
@@nduduzomlambo8539You mean the reputation of being the One major African country that has been there for other African countries? Sacrificing their soldiers and finances for South Africa? Mandating their students and civil servants to pay Mandela Tax that was used for your freedom fighters? Ok
@@asanwa3126 What exactly did you sacrifice? Or you are clinging on some perceived bull shitting from your government who stole money and claimed they gave it South Africans? Black South Africans did not have ruling power during Apartheid and now please let me educate you a little; the liberation movements in South Africa were in various countries in the world fighting strategically. Russian a country that I know for a fact they trained Umkhonto wesizwe solders but I don't see them selling drugs to our children in open daylight. When your so-called assistance to South Africa was offered was there a deal to allow people to come to our country and cause distraction? Explain to me in details as to what exactly did your country do for my people who were unlived enmasses during Apartheid by apartheid regime? Why didn't you come to rescue us from the chuckles of apartheid? Why you only invade our country with all sorts of evil only when we have freedom to learn to live as normal human beings after hundreds of years of oppression? How are you suppose we welcome someone who is coming to our country and cause distraction to people that are still trying to find their own place in their own that they have never own it because of oppression? Please answer these questions for me!
As a South African Zulu who's been to other african countries☝️ Trust me my Mzansi people there's nothing you're missing and you actually are more welcoming than they'll ever give you credit for. Our so called "african brothers and sisters" won't ever be fair to you because they envy you for some weird reason. Also don't be fooled by their clever talk because when you go to where they come from and you'll know the truth. Then when they always say they just like to travel, ay I always die 😂😂😂😭 Proudly South African 🇿🇦
no ghanaians are real. we love peace. we hate who disrespect our land and it’s native. anyone can live here if they are not too loud or abide by our laws, respect our land and the people, and most importantly not messing our land up .
I beg to differ ,l am Zimbabwean, and a Ndebele person ...l love my South African people ,they are so welcoming and stuff and there's bad people in evry country ...kodwa masewuthu we envy you guys thus a big lie ....Yes South Africa is beautiful and stuff but thus where the problem begins ,you think we envy you .....We don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m emerging artist from UK. I was born in London, UK and my parents are also Ghanaian. They never spoke Twi to me so I never got the chance to learn the language from them. I can only speak English fluently. I can relate to what your guest is saying because I didn’t have that sense of belonging to a Ghanaian community. I didn’t understand my African heritage until I grew up a bit older. I’m a Londoner so I grew up in that society. I also grew up watching Indian movies, listening to their music and enjoyed Indian food. I just loved Indian culture and got be friends with them at my college. I was not proud to be African because I wanted to be Indian. I also grew up in care so this has affected my life not being with my family. I was familiar with the culture than African culture until I got to my late teen years, I’d interact with other Africans but most of them were of Nigerian origin. Then I got to interact other Ghanaians when I started going to Twi classes back in London. That made me feel connected to my culture. I could relate to Nigerians to an extent as we have some similarities and we’re Africans but I related more with other Ghanaians because we’re from the same country. It’s good to be connected to someone who speaks the same language as you and from the same culture. I enjoy eating Ghanaian food now. When I went to Ghana for the first in 2018, I’d try to speak Twi with my relatives there but they’d laugh. Lol I wish I could be more fluent then. I have a British accent so to them it sounds funny. I have friends from different cultures who can speak their language fluently with their parents. I’m enjoying this podcast so far. This is so relatable. I’m happy to see the fact that despite your guest being born in South Africa, she understands her Ghanaian roots as well. ❤
As a black British ( Nigerian parents moved to Canada) I am happy you found your way back to your people. You should be proud of yourself being raised in care then having to work backwards to pick up the pieces. I don't speak the language, and even if I wanted to assimilate people don't really let you. I often think what it must be like to be mixed race, as I get so much your not quite this or that .
I have always argued that all the people debating the case of xenophobia is short sighted. People tend to believe that xenophobia is a SA problem. It's not. Let's look at xenophobia holistically. The truth is is as SAns we're not in denial that xenophobia exist. What I personally believe is that as Africans we're all xenophobic. The beef between the Ghanaians and Nigerians is a point in reference here. This beef has been going on for years since 1969 and still continues to date. But is there anyone talking about it? Do we see vloggers sitting around the Mike's as this one's have done, talking about xenophobia in Ghana and Nigeria? The answer is no. Let's not forget that the rest of West Africa is xenophobic towards Nigeria. In Siera Leon, Freetown the hatred towards Nigerians by the locals is more pulpable. The Kenyans as well after the mall attack by the Al-Shabaab grew a lot of hatred towards the Somalians and actually marched them out of Kenya. But we don't hear about this xenophobia coming out these countries. Just few years ago Ghana burnt down the consulate building of Nigeria in a xenophobic attack. Nigerian businesses were shut down following the law that was enacted by Parliament that prohibit foreigners to conduct and run certain businesses. Now if this laws are enacted in our country everyone will stand up and accuse SA government fuelling acts of xenophobia. When the price of gas/oil depreciated in Nigeria, the Nigerian government gave an order for Ghanaians and all foreigners to leave Nigeria as they were accused of stealing jobs meant for the locals. This was a government sponsored xenophobic frenzy. Do we hear the clever blacks talking about it? No. But if it has happened in SA, we wouldn't be having a peaceful sleep cos people will be on our case. Xenophobia has nothing to do with travelling. Nigerians and or West Africans travel a lot but they can still be xenophobic. I've articulated above how the African nations have been feasting on each other in a xenophobic frenzy. This one dimensional discussion of xenophobia, looking only at SA as if it's the main source of xenophobia is not gonna help your discussion. This is a continental probleblem. It's also a global problem if I may have to take it outside our continental borders. Stop bashing SA if you're serious about addressing this scourge. Our government doesn't formulate laws that encourages xenophobia and it is attacked for not doing doing anything about it, yet we hav e African governments who pronounced their hatred towards fellow Africans and yet everyone is mum on this. Why SA when we have so many foreigners here. I'm totally against xenophobia but I'm not impressed by this one dimensional discussion of xenophobia. Every country must be called out.
@@rositascarborough674 but we still haven't seen the South African government encourage xenophobia. Why are you ignoring the kind of savagery it is for an entire government to pronounce and encourage hatred against foreigners?
Why don't you just write a book about xenophobia instead of this long Bible story. You go explain tire. Your country is probably the greatest in Africa but honestly speaking the rate of violence is ridiculous. ❤❤❤
For your information, the Nigerian embassy building was not NOT burned down, let alone by a mob. It was actually pulled down by a party in a private dispute. Xenophobia unlike others is not part of Ghanaian culture
1. The MAJORITY of africans in SA are either economic migrants or refugees, not skilled professionals. There is no need for South Africans to move bcos they have most of their basics covered. 2. Not knowing a language has nothing to do with travelling. I have travelled most of east africa but i cant tell if someone is speaking luganda or lukiga. I understand swahili but i have never been to Tanzania. 3. People are contesting for limited resources, it has nothing to do with xenophobia. I am speaking as a south African who is a foreigner in another african country. 3. Travelling is a privilege for most SAns. ( travelling people need to stop being sonbs) 3. As foreigners lets learn the local culture, we are no superior to the locals lets embrace them and they will embrace us in return. You can't go to someone's house and start making rules. 4. Its easy to live in south Africa without assimilation and that is a shortcoming, unlike other african countries where you are forced to assimilate. 4. The hosts just want us to respect their contry. I was told by the locals on my first day in my new country and i completely agree with them. If i do something wrong, i will be asked questions by the police and its not xenophobia, its their job to dig. And there is also corruption, go to Mozambique with a GP registered car if you don't believe me, i feel unwelcome but i cabt call it xenophobia. Let's respect and embrace one another. Travelling does not make one superior, but the depth the relationships we create with those who are different from us will enrich our lives.
I wish the host could read this and understand your view as a South african staying abroad . People are so quick to judge South Africans for our weakness and short comings
To be honest, I feel that most foreigners in South Africa are very bias and generalising when approaching the ill behaviour of some foreign national and this is the cause for the ever escalating hatred for foreign nationals especially Africans.
whites do far worse than foreigners as they are refered or other Black people from this continent yet self hating blacks worship and tap dance to the very same whites.
I also do not like he notion tht SA people do not travel yet relocating coz circumstances is not travelling to me, the whole xenophobia thing they twist it to suit their satisfaction
I hope you know we will continue to celebrate each other regardless of where we come from, we are African.❤ We are connected and one ❤🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦 My grandmother was married in Zimbabwe and she was blessed with 7 kids, My mom was a proud Zimbabwean woman, I was born in South Africa and my father is from South Africa but Zim/Shona is in my blood. That’s my identity and I embrace that ❤
Be humble and not tell us what to do and compare us we will never bother you. Very good to say we are African in South Africa but when Mugabe and his men killed Ndebeles I wonder that word was mentioned Africans.
Really enjoyed this conversation as a South African living in the UK for the past 20 years and living with my English partner. The point about being a global citizen is tough as to me, South Africa will always be home even though I have lived all my adult life in the UK. I am glad I grew up in SA as I am fluent in my mother tongue and will hopefully be able to teach my offspring the Setswana and Sesotho culture. I would want to be buried in SA, but when our newborn arrives, I wonder if my view will change.
I'M comgolese living in Canada . I have never been to SA but i would like to visit this beautiful country . I know what it feels to live in a foreign country msot especially when your skin color is the big difference. For SA I don't want to be trapped in this xenophobic conversation because I know there are good south africans out there . For the bad south africans not wanting foreigners in their country I have nothing to say about them ,all I would say if your foreigner in ANY country keep in mind that anything can happen to be due the fact that you are not a local but this shouldn't prevent you from enjoying that country you are in .
Thank you so much for this coz this conversation make SA look like a xenophobic country which is not even the case we still host large amounts of African, European and Asian foreigners. so how are we xenophobic as a country?. even this xenophobia thing is not fuelled by hate but just a scrabble for limited resources.
On the spaza shop thing it's quite simple really, not about "work" culture. Outside of the whole "legality"(papers, paying taxes, fake goods, workers being forced to work, live ,bath in the same spaza shop, supposedly funding terrorist groups...) stuff. If a Somali family for example, moved to a township & opened a spaza shop to feed that family, that would've been fine. That's the point of having a spaza shop. If a group of Somalis came together, rented a small market/plaza to have multiple shops in it like we have in townships, it wouldn't be a problem as they'd be competing with multinational companies(pic n pay, shoprite...) at that point. Unfortunately, that's not the case with spaza shops. What we have here is syndicates that came into townships with an intention of taking over the spaza shop economy which was meant for small families, by opening spaza shop franchises/multiple shops in the same area, owned by the same syndicates, who are essentially operating like a multinational company(as in, they buy products in bulk at negotiated discounts, make "fake" products as shown on the news, to sell at lower prices, that an average family owning one spaza shop cannot afford to sell at) thus eliminating a financial lifeline of a family owning a spaza shop in that area. That's the main issue.
Deep conversation! My question is what makes someone not speak at least one local language in a country/ town they were born and grew up in? They rather feel English than anything beyond but they are not English. This is the challenge we have here in Zim. Someone is born in Bulawayo (they are of a different tribe) but they fail to speak IsiNdebele and other local languages. I don’t understand.
It seems you ignorant about the criminal element carried by illegal migrants, it's not all of them but the fact that even all who here legally don't condone it publicly makes it worse, South Africans have always welcomed everyone until our senseless laws where taken advantage of, they don't get away easily with crime at home like they do here. That's the biggest problem
Ghanaians have been in SA even before the dawn of democracy. They had come to then Transkei as proffesionals, especially un the health sector. We grew up with them as 80s kids, went to primary school all the way through varsity. We build life long friendships. There was never any claims of xenophobia. all this xenophobia talks emanated after marginalized South Africans epxressed their displeasure at the rampant surge of illegal immigrants. and that displeasure mainly results from the illegal immigrants undoing gains made by SA worker's unions. illegal immigrants fill in where South Africans refuse exploitation. With that, said there are responsible and qualified immigrants who come to SA to actually add value and contribute positively in the development of this country. South Africa has no issues with the latter.
You should atleast learn one language of your new country of residence. That's how Zim people survive in SA. Educated people won't be xenophobic because their jobs are protected. Ordinary people are competing with foreigners for low skilled jobs. That's where the problem lies. And employers prefer foreigners because they don't demand a living wage. Some of the foreign business owners are selling counterfeit goods. That's why it's difficult to compete with them.
I LOVED this conversation - its one that is not openly discussed and very few people can admit to how being ''othered'' really displaces you. Even experiences of seeing your parents, family or friends being ''othered'', such traumas. You really touched a sensitive spot with this one. 🙂 Please do a follow-up episode on ''Global-Africa citizen relationships''. I am Malawian-South African, born and raised in SA. My partner is Tsonga-Ndebele and we are raising our 6-year-old whose 1st and only language is English by default - that alone should tell you of our current struggles. I would love to hear how other couples are doing it.
We love you Ghanians. You are not criminals. You are industrious and like Church. Welcome to South Africa 🇬🇭=🇿🇦Thank you for holding your flag high in our country.
What I've always notice about half South Africans they always choose or side with their other half and blame or talk bad about SA. For example they wish to marry Malawian/Ghanaian, as for the guy he have zero positive things to say about SA. Anyway ekugqibeleni I enjoyed incoko yabo
South Africa has the highest unemployment in world. Therefore anyone who comes to make money on entry level jobs and business is an enemy to the poor citizens by default.
You really believe this bull**shit? I mean you have to be ignorant to even believe that we have high unemployment in the world. We actually the most employed nation even here in Africa. You need to look at this stats
Do you know about South Africa's taxi association? That business generates more than 500 billion dollars a year and taxi owners are counted as unemployed people. Don't be fooled by the unemployment percentage alot of South Africans are self employed and are multi millionaires that don't pay tax. My father is a taxi owner, he has 15 taxis and he's a multi millionaire but registered as unemployed and so is the rest of the taxi owners who are multi millionaires who are over 70 000 all over South Africa. Ask South African citizens about how rich a taxi owners and you will see that black South Africans are the richest in Africa while they have the highest unemployment rate. We don't need the government to survive.
@@ScissorN My sister earns survival grant but comes from a rich family because she is unemployed and My dad is regarded as unemployed but yet he's a multi millionaire taxi owner. She doesn't need that money but regards it as free pocket money, we call it cheating the system. It's paradise in South Africa we don't even pay tax from our family business.
Ursula is sooo right. Xenophobia is layered. From ego, to being narrow minded and mix in crime from foreign nationals nje is a bad mix which fuels the hates. Mind you all these elements may be minor but together it’s a big monster.
When the lady in the beginning saying it's rife ,I wish she could have elaborated because I'm around foreign nationals and I work with them, we treat each other like we would any local. We see them around grocery stores, clubs, restaurants etc. So I wonder where might it be rife?
I think we are getting into a situation where officials will be accussed of xenophobia by just doing their job. I dont think there anything wrong for officials to double-check since they are faced with a lot of things going on. To accuse them of xenophobia I think its not fair. How should they do their job? Rely on your word of mouth? Come on guys.
she went further to say "I'm not good at bribing" but how do you bribe someone when you are not in the wrong? Also, not all officials are looking for bribes or are into corruption, be careful.@@sherwindlamini5995
South Africans are clean, "be in South Africa legally with correct papers.Respect law".Once they r here ,they start talking ill about South Africans ,U r xenophobic, u r Lazy,u r this & that,how do u expect a person to accept u in his house when u r talking such ill about him.No one can convince me that Africans brought any skill in South Africa because they found South Africa well developed built purely by South African alone.Africans came here After 1994 to look for greener pastures without no skill except Doctors & few teachers from Ghana.Some people with big businesses in their Countries come to South African and open small businesses like tuckshops to avoid paying tax and also bring their brothers 90% illegal to run these tuckshops .How do u expect poor South Africans to compete with wealthy people who stay in Ethiopia, Bangladesh , Somalia & China and to make things worse mostly with fake stuff.when we complain,they throw words like xenophobia, Lazzy to blindfold people who r not here to experience all these truth.yes we r all Africans but let respect Law and each other, that is what South Africans r demanding .Finish & klaar.
If we being honest all Africans are xenophobic in sudan they call kenyans aliens i was shocked to hear that but than remembered where i come from africans are also called names am currently dating an American hun its been a cool ride we just riding n seeing where love leads us
even in zim a foreigner os called an alien thats what written on the constitution. all african countries consider anyone outside their country a foreigner thats the law it doesnt have emotions if its black person or not ur just foreigner. so i dont know why people act like SAns calling black people of other african countries foreigner is hate.
Travel for whatever reason can be a mind expanding experience. If you choose to explore and experience places and cultures you perceive to be very different from our own that can be a panacea to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.
I dont know why we're forced to like people just because they're black... Not factoring in if they like you back, or respect you or even are self aware to know they are being an eyesore.
@@AlkebulanJahmiah Let me open your mind... The most advanced societies in the world achieved their status through battle, conflict and competition... Wars among Wester countries is what pushed them to improve their military, earning power and resourcefulness... That's why nations compete in world cups.... Africa needs to remain seperated so we can push each other through competition and trade... Grouping a bunch of losers and expecting a miracle is fooloshness... Diversity loses its strength when you intergrate. Pan Africanism is the same spirit that got us colonised... You want to hug your opponent during battle... Borders made colonisers rich ... They will make us rich aswell
Why are you even needing to be forced in the first place ? You shouldn't be forced and it can't be. But that's like when you have a cousin, even a distant one, and you are asking why you are forced to like just because they are your cousin. Shame
On Ursh's superiority complex comment, I absolutely agree. Being the land of dreams for the rest of the African continent, I don't think we can ever imagine a situation where South Africa would be so despondent to the point of us moving for survival to other African countries. So it's really like "Travel to learn about them? What for?"
My question is why you people only attacking your fellow blacks from other Africa countries however more Asians and other nationals are coming in like Droms and set up illegal businesses in your communities but you guys wouldn't dare to attack them... selfhate is real
@@rositascarborough674 SA is the biggest exporter in Africa and largest manufacture. Don't just respond out of bitterness and resentment with envy, do research and use facts. SA is the biggest exporter in Southern region while in North, West, East and central is china. SA is the least importing nation in Africa as compared to the rest and we are an industrial nation. Never allow jealous and bitterness to do thinking for you
@@rositascarborough674which African country is better than SA and doing more business in Africa than SA? Why you compare us to those countries as if your country is doing anything?
@@rositascarborough674 But Chinese companies dominate in East, North and West Africa not here in South Africa and thats because of technology devices that they sell because those countries you mentioned industrialized much earlier than South Africa, we are a developing country and you are comparing us to developed countries, I think you are requesting too much from South Africa, give us time we will catch up, after all we got our freedom and sovereignty 30 years ago and 30 years is not a long time ago, I'm very impressed with what South Africa has achieved in 30 years such a short time. You have that white people mentality, thinking black people can't handle business on there own and there's always someone taking advantage of them. Where did you get that information so I can search it and confirm it my self. China is South Africa's largest trading partner, that should give you a clue that what brings us together with China is trading which is why they are our largest TRADING partner not business partner.
@@rositascarborough674 South Africa is the largest food exporter in South Africa. All that food is finished products. South Africa is the most industrialized country in Africa and the only reason you industrialize is so you can sell finished products. So it doesn't make sense for you to think South Africa don't sell finished products while they are the most industrialized country in Africa. We don't create these factories and companies for nothing.
Great content. Very relevant topic. Lots of layers. It's also quite interesting how some 'africans' are eager to learn european languages when they immigrate to european countries, but are quite resistant to learning local langues when immigrating to other african countries.
We are Ghanaians no matter what where ..the blood boil so hot,even kids born in America later relates strong to Ghana and proud Ghanaians as well,Ghanaian girl just move to new country and start again u would be fine and well accepted ok
Thank you, ladies, for this discussion because my daughter is a Congolese South African, and I feel strongly about ensuring that she is extremely proud of her heritage, but today, I learned that it's important too that I encourage her to be fluent in my language too. Sadly, I learned today that she might have to deal with not being fully accepted in a country where she is born and identifies with. That she can't own this country like I did,that's crazy.
@lozi4163 I think she lives in her congolese house 🏠 in South Africa . She doesn't necessarily have to live in Congo while her husband house is in SA. what's wrong with that?
A full round of applause 👏 👏 👏 from an African American! I loved this topic and it’s so funny that this act of xenophobia happens all around the world amongst black communities.
I struggle to understand the idea that we south Africans should travel the world. The African migrants who came to south Africa we not traveling the world , but either came for economic opportunities or running away as refugees. I find this idea to be nonsensical.
The best way to infuse one's self into a country or a community's culture is to Learn as much as possible about other cultures and national history. Sometimes this xenophobia is over played when even a personality is at play can be easily translated to xenophobia. We are a new democracy and we as people have been locked indoors for over 300 years with no interactions with other African countries. I'm not justifying but it would be beneficial for others when they are in our country to understand us cause apartheid is not as old as their liberations. Most African countries got their liberation more that 50 years ago while we are still trying to find our own places in our own country. It will get better as time goes but all we ask for is to be understood, historically, culturally and politically by those that are in our country instead of them calling us names like "Lazy, stupid and the likes" that will never end the hatred of foreigners by South Africans which is easily generalized even towards innocent and legal foreigners. It's a battle even for us to overcome such emotions and we are trying but an understanding from foreign nationals would go a long way. You are in another country after all. Respect that you are not going to be appreciated at all sides. It's human nature that is still an issue even with people that have never been oppressed like we did or had been democratized for way longer than us. We love you guys. ❤
First people must have unity in their own countries & regions before thinking about African Unity. Secondly, these people are saying South Africans don’t travel, we do, we just are not economic migrants. Lastly, they talk about Tuckshops so short sighted, these foreigners come into the country, manufacture their own goods, most are used to even clean money by ISIS and other terrorists groups. How can we compete with that? SA is grey listed today, for that same reason. Africans must self introspect themselves
Just now 2700 Zama-zama’s have been caught but only 63 people were South Africans & the rest illegal immigrants, how do you unite with those type of people, car jacking in Joburg and tyre spiking are 80% done by foreigners. How can we unite with people who can’t live in peace here? Okunye, how are we to unite with people who can’t assimilate with the culture of this country. Crime was never this high, drugs were never this vastly available
you cant compete with foreigner interms of township tuckshops coz they manufacture their own pruducts illegally and sell expired stuff at much more cheaper price , thats why the local shop owners fail to keep up with such prices and end up closing down. SA needs laws to prevent foreigners who bring no value in this economy. Everyone can own tuckshop, cut hair, do plumbing but not everyone can be an engineer or doctor a lawyer. we need foreigners who bring in real skills and resources not petty stuff. In Ghana for example their govt restrict foreigners to certain extent from owning retail shops and if ur capital is less then 500 000 USD, ur will not qualify to own a shop. in SA we dont have such rules. All the people or almost all the people with spaza shops are here illegally becoz most woudnt even qualify to be in SA unless ur have work permit or an investor visa or something. You can't tell me SAn govt allowed a small Tuch shop owner to just come and own a Spaza shop in SA , it can't be considering how strict the SAn visa requirements are. Even Americans find it easier to visit SA but hard to move to SA becoz of visa requirements needed to qualify to move here permanently.
So you want SAn govt to keep allowing people who bring no real necessary value to our economy? Seems like ur are so stupid. People who bring no real value also become easily prone to fall into poverty hole of our country and when that does happen, they resort to illegalities. You will hardly find a black south african in ur countries , if ur happen to come across one ur considered lucky coz that's not norm. Dont yall say black SAns don't travel???so what changed now @@Jazz-fg2dm
Ijeoma Umebinyuo - 'So, here you are too foreign for home too foreign for here. Never enough for both.' Kuningi there's always so much to unpack after your conversations and I wouldn't have it any other way
Did masilela watch couter feit goods that are sold mostly but illegal immigrants or that doesn't not fit the narrative of South African being labeled Xenophobic
That was lovely. I feel like way all the time, especially in Limpopo Giyani. I'm Xhosa, and my spouse is Pedi (molubedu), therefore every time we go shopping at Giyani, people assume you're from Tsonga. I was even afraid to ask because I thought once they know you are Xhosa and I dont understand their language, they will start taking advantage. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Back in 2007, it was my first time in Pretoria. On the street I bought cooked mealis ( isikhwebu someone) the lady who was selling realized that I couldn't understand Setswana and charged me more than the price she normally charge for. I only realized that some days latter when I came with my other Xhosa friends who had been there for longer and could speak the language. The lady was Tsonga/Shangaan judging by the way she dressed ( I could be wrong)
I don't travel because I don't want to bother other people. I don't want to be bothered by anyone either. I'm content & satisfied in my own country, thanks.
Stop undermining SAns blame all that on the government and economy that created all that. I lived in Texas for 10yrs and I also experience xenophobia from the Americans. Xenophobic is all over the world 🌎 is just that in our country is highlighted unfairly. I think that because of our spirit of Ubuntu SA was taken for a ride. People took our kindness for granted but having said legal foreigners should be protected.
Foreigners from another continent arrived in Africa and gave us our "identities" as South Africans, Nigerians, Ghanaians and what not. And like puppets on a string we perpetuate these divisions and think we are free men.... And then we fight one another and think we have a mind of our own. We are trapped in a sad story written from afar.
You oppress each other on religious, ethnic and tribal preferences in your own hopeless zoo called countries yet you think you can lecture SAcn about foreigners from another continent mxm sis you so desperate to be in SA ftsek kwerekwere
When they say we are not travelling they mean we did not open our eyes yet around the world but what i can say.it was not every South African was affected by Apartheid government.so some of us the was no need to go exile because some of us we were comfortable in our villages.Africans please give South Africa a break.thats enough people.We accept you but please behave in this country. Slalom.
thats not a great discussion, foreigners should be holding debates on how best they can improve their own countries and make them attractive for investment rather than forcing themselves on South Africans who tells them daily that they aren't welcome in SA if not posses critical skills
@@thabangtladi8057Your people are over 200k in the UK and they are massively migrating to Israel. Why didn't they stay home yo develop SA? You lots overrate yourselves alot.
Hi Asbo, this is the first time coming across your video and likes it very much.I am also a Ghanaian, but lives in USA for many years and would like to move to south Africa, Johannesburg specifically . I was laughing during your conversation with the panel. 🥰😀😜
1. If my South African parents give birth to me in Nigeria, does that make me a Nigerian man??? 2. Being honest, some of us don't like how foreigners look or sound... And that's valid. 3. This girl doesn't look South African, because she's has 0% SA genetics. She is 100% Ghanaian. I don't become indian because i was born in India. 4. There's nothing wrong with SAns thinking they're better than everyone... Why must SA have to be the humble one while other countries flex everyday? 5. This push to accept foreigners is a result of using emotions over logic. We have rights of admission reserved.
She says "Even though am born Here , Am Fully Ghanaian Culturally".. She not Saying She is From there .. But some way she stayed there all her life. So if she claim SA for a sec allow her.. You can tell she also Proud of her Heritage bt all her life been In SA.. Calm down
Listen to yourself. In your head, you’ve already judged who is SAn and who’s not. You forget the concept of country is an-made as well. The fact that someone is born in a place, knowing only that place, does not register to you. Rather, “she doesn’t look SAn etc”. Your yardsticks are extremely narrow and discriminatory.
Wow I haven't laughed this hard in a while 😂. I like how you guys discussed a sensitive topic with your natural comedy 😂. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. 😂❤
Hey beautiful sister u gained a suscriber , SAs love everyone from all countries " if you come to help us to build the country not destroy it" . I love you guys and if you don't have anyman yet please I'm available.
even in the Mahgreb nations...Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and even Egypt there are some underlying issues stemming from past colonial experiences so that today those people despite all of them speaking Arabic are using the instruments of their colonial experiences to project nuances of xenophobia, uppity or superiority on the" other"
South African women have created problems for us for real by legitimising foreign marriages for money. Our people have contributed to these pestilent problems that we have in SA. I can't imagine in 15 years time what will happen to this country.
Aloha,,,i Love your Conversation...it is indeed a very Sensitive topic...sadly the way we are made to think is been a huge problem for Generations.....People have become to power hungry selfish I and greedy... and arrogant too...some think they know better than others and feel more superior even though we are one people....this is sadly a Human condition across all Demographics.....i simply hate people like this....sad sad day for us as a species,,,,IN FACT WE HAVE DIVIDED OURSELVES LONG BEFORE TTHE COLONISERS HAVE...JUST LOOK AT HOW ONE BLACK WILL LOOK AT ANOTHER...THE ETHNICITIES THAT WE COME FROM HAS BEEN OURGREATEST DIVIDER WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER AS IF WE SHOULD NOT EXIST...THEN WER WANT TO BLAME OTHERS FOR THEIR PROBLEMS...SHAMEFUL...I BELIEVE WE ARE HUMANS AND WE SHOULD ACCEPT EACH OTHER AS HUMANS....SIMPLE
You claim to be educated but you cannot differentiate between traveling and relocating/emigrating. SA people do travel and come back home. We don't become nuisance in other people's countries.
Most people from African countries say South Africans don't travel and that's not true the thing with South Africans we don't migrate to other African countries as much as they migrate to South Africa!!
Hi Ursula ...lovely show, its entertaining and informative. Keep it up! Please dont shoot the messenger, abobruda want to know...are you married? ...haai, they say your smile is problematic shem. No details , just a yes or no?... and could you kindly direct them to were they can shoot their shot...again, iam just the messenger.
My gay brother moved to Namibia with his namibian husband and their son. They got married in SA cause they met here and stayed here for long before moving to Namibia. His been treated so inhumane since he moved there and been fighting for his rights to be in namibia as a namibian they even sued the state him and his husband and they case still going on. So is not so nice to live in other african countries as is it in SA. The freedom and human rights are very limited in other part of Africa. Our constitution alone is deemed one of the best in the in africa so as a South African is not easy to cope out of South africa according to me. And not only about him i visited him and his family in Namibia. They not as welcoming. They so judgemental. South Africa is very welcoming. You can google my brother's story his name is Daniel Digashu i wish he could share his story on the show when he visit home.
And how can one live in SA and don't want to do what the SA's does, you can't force your culture from another country into south african culture and expect everything to be normal , if you want to live In SA follow the SA's culture 🤷
When the guy says to a South African guy that he needs to start traveling, remember most of foreign nationals they’re not travelers, they ran away from poor government countries
Please tell him.
Wait a min.. u think South African government is better? 😂 I’d chose Ghana government and the peace in ghana any day.
@@richiepare5121 why are the Ghanaians coming to SA if their Government is that better?
@@richiepare5121But we have Ghanaians in every corner of South Africa.
@@thinazondeka6969 different reasons. Some have been there for years when the country was better. The truth is SA is no longer a safe destination even for Ghanaian tourist. You government has granted visa free status for Ghanaians yet few people are even interested to tour SA
South Africans are good people. When you come to South Africa just bahave, people will love you.
they should behave and go back to their home countries after their visa expired
There are a lot of south Africans who don't know how to behave though. They rob, car jack, R@p# etc. It's a shame. They give the other south Africans a bad name.
Simple as that
this is exactly what a xenophobe will say. why not address individuals individually? why attack entire nationalities?
Big lie
As a South African if I have to travel I will travel for business and holiday and for revolution not to run away from the problem
That's a common South African trait. We can't see any other better country
Travelling is one thing then relocating is the other, saying South Africans do not travel is a friction especially when u call urself educated but u can not differentiate the 2.
Just comes from hate tbh
I have a friend based in Gauteng, originally from Cameroon, he always tells how he doesn’t like Nigerians. So xenophobia exist in every country. Unfortunately SA is on the spotlight because they mostly meet here.
Nthabi it is world wide. I am based in the USA and Americans do hold a lot of prejudice against immigrants. You pick this in conversations especially when they are frustrated that their needs are not being met yet immigrants are benefiting mostly from tax payers. It is only given a name "xenophobia" when it relates to South Africa.
i dont think hating nigerians is being xenophobic peaple dont hate them just because they are nigerian its their reputation world wide its their dutity to fix their image
@@nduduzomlambo8539You mean the reputation of being the One major African country that has been there for other African countries? Sacrificing their soldiers and finances for South Africa? Mandating their students and civil servants to pay Mandela Tax that was used for your freedom fighters? Ok
@@asanwa3126, don’t mind them. Very myopic thinking..
@@asanwa3126 What exactly did you sacrifice? Or you are clinging on some perceived bull shitting from your government who stole money and claimed they gave it South Africans? Black South Africans did not have ruling power during Apartheid and now please let me educate you a little; the liberation movements in South Africa were in various countries in the world fighting strategically. Russian a country that I know for a fact they trained Umkhonto wesizwe solders but I don't see them selling drugs to our children in open daylight. When your so-called assistance to South Africa was offered was there a deal to allow people to come to our country and cause distraction? Explain to me in details as to what exactly did your country do for my people who were unlived enmasses during Apartheid by apartheid regime? Why didn't you come to rescue us from the chuckles of apartheid? Why you only invade our country with all sorts of evil only when we have freedom to learn to live as normal human beings after hundreds of years of oppression? How are you suppose we welcome someone who is coming to our country and cause distraction to people that are still trying to find their own place in their own that they have never own it because of oppression? Please answer these questions for me!
As a South African Zulu who's been to other african countries☝️ Trust me my Mzansi people there's nothing you're missing and you actually are more welcoming than they'll ever give you credit for. Our so called "african brothers and sisters" won't ever be fair to you because they envy you for some weird reason. Also don't be fooled by their clever talk because when you go to where they come from and you'll know the truth. Then when they always say they just like to travel, ay I always die 😂😂😂😭 Proudly South African 🇿🇦
Kanti kunjalo 😂😂😂
@zurielpita5402 Ukhuljma ngani? Siyazi ukuthi nina niyazondana emazweni wenu. Niba amapanafricanist maseniza lana kodwa niyazondana emazweni wenu.
wow bro you just spoke facts
no ghanaians are real. we love peace. we hate who disrespect our land and it’s native. anyone can live here if they are not too loud or abide by our laws, respect our land and the people, and most importantly not messing our land up .
I beg to differ ,l am Zimbabwean, and a Ndebele person ...l love my South African people ,they are so welcoming and stuff and there's bad people in evry country ...kodwa masewuthu we envy you guys thus a big lie ....Yes South Africa is beautiful and stuff but thus where the problem begins ,you think we envy you .....We don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m emerging artist from UK. I was born in London, UK and my parents are also Ghanaian. They never spoke Twi to me so I never got the chance to learn the language from them. I can only speak English fluently. I can relate to what your guest is saying because I didn’t have that sense of belonging to a Ghanaian community. I didn’t understand my African heritage until I grew up a bit older. I’m a Londoner so I grew up in that society. I also grew up watching Indian movies, listening to their music and enjoyed Indian food. I just loved Indian culture and got be friends with them at my college. I was not proud to be African because I wanted to be Indian. I also grew up in care so this has affected my life not being with my family.
I was familiar with the culture than African culture until I got to my late teen years, I’d interact with other Africans but most of them were of Nigerian origin. Then I got to interact other Ghanaians when I started going to Twi classes back in London. That made me feel connected to my culture. I could relate to Nigerians to an extent as we have some similarities and we’re Africans but I related more with other Ghanaians because we’re from the same country. It’s good to be connected to someone who speaks the same language as you and from the same culture. I enjoy eating Ghanaian food now.
When I went to Ghana for the first in 2018, I’d try to speak Twi with my relatives there but they’d laugh. Lol I wish I could be more fluent then. I have a British accent so to them it sounds funny. I have friends from different cultures who can speak their language fluently with their parents. I’m enjoying this podcast so far. This is so relatable. I’m happy to see the fact that despite your guest being born in South Africa, she understands her Ghanaian roots as well. ❤
As a black British ( Nigerian parents moved to Canada) I am happy you found your way back to your people. You should be proud of yourself being raised in care then having to work backwards to pick up the pieces.
I don't speak the language, and even if I wanted to assimilate people don't really let you. I often think what it must be like to be mixed race, as I get so much your not quite this or that .
I have always argued that all the people debating the case of xenophobia is short sighted. People tend to believe that xenophobia is a SA problem. It's not. Let's look at xenophobia holistically. The truth is is as SAns we're not in denial that xenophobia exist. What I personally believe is that as Africans we're all xenophobic. The beef between the Ghanaians and Nigerians is a point in reference here. This beef has been going on for years since 1969 and still continues to date. But is there anyone talking about it? Do we see vloggers sitting around the Mike's as this one's have done, talking about xenophobia in Ghana and Nigeria? The answer is no. Let's not forget that the rest of West Africa is xenophobic towards Nigeria. In Siera Leon, Freetown the hatred towards Nigerians by the locals is more pulpable. The Kenyans as well after the mall attack by the Al-Shabaab grew a lot of hatred towards the Somalians and actually marched them out of Kenya. But we don't hear about this xenophobia coming out these countries. Just few years ago Ghana burnt down the consulate building of Nigeria in a xenophobic attack. Nigerian businesses were shut down following the law that was enacted by Parliament that prohibit foreigners to conduct and run certain businesses. Now if this laws are enacted in our country everyone will stand up and accuse SA government fuelling acts of xenophobia. When the price of gas/oil depreciated in Nigeria, the Nigerian government gave an order for Ghanaians and all foreigners to leave Nigeria as they were accused of stealing jobs meant for the locals. This was a government sponsored xenophobic frenzy. Do we hear the clever blacks talking about it? No. But if it has happened in SA, we wouldn't be having a peaceful sleep cos people will be on our case. Xenophobia has nothing to do with travelling. Nigerians and or West Africans travel a lot but they can still be xenophobic. I've articulated above how the African nations have been feasting on each other in a xenophobic frenzy. This one dimensional discussion of xenophobia, looking only at SA as if it's the main source of xenophobia is not gonna help your discussion. This is a continental probleblem. It's also a global problem if I may have to take it outside our continental borders. Stop bashing SA if you're serious about addressing this scourge. Our government doesn't formulate laws that encourages xenophobia and it is attacked for not doing doing anything about it, yet we hav e African governments who pronounced their hatred towards fellow Africans and yet everyone is mum on this. Why SA when we have so many foreigners here. I'm totally against xenophobia but I'm not impressed by this one dimensional discussion of xenophobia. Every country must be called out.
@@rositascarborough674 but we still haven't seen the South African government encourage xenophobia. Why are you ignoring the kind of savagery it is for an entire government to pronounce and encourage hatred against foreigners?
Why don't you just write a book about xenophobia instead of this long Bible story. You go explain tire. Your country is probably the greatest in Africa but honestly speaking the rate of violence is ridiculous. ❤❤❤
@@rositascarborough674have you been to SA
You really broadened the topic
For your information, the Nigerian embassy building was not NOT burned down, let alone by a mob. It was actually pulled down by a party in a private dispute. Xenophobia unlike others is not part of Ghanaian culture
When it comes to culture of doing business, South Africans need to improve. However, it's important to protect township economy.
1. The MAJORITY of africans in SA are either economic migrants or refugees, not skilled professionals.
There is no need for South Africans to move bcos they have most of their basics covered.
2. Not knowing a language has nothing to do with travelling. I have travelled most of east africa but i cant tell if someone is speaking luganda or lukiga. I understand swahili but i have never been to Tanzania.
3. People are contesting for limited resources, it has nothing to do with xenophobia. I am speaking as a south African who is a foreigner in another african country.
3. Travelling is a privilege for most SAns. ( travelling people need to stop being sonbs)
3. As foreigners lets learn the local culture, we are no superior to the locals lets embrace them and they will embrace us in return. You can't go to someone's house and start making rules.
4. Its easy to live in south Africa without assimilation and that is a shortcoming, unlike other african countries where you are forced to assimilate.
4. The hosts just want us to respect their contry. I was told by the locals on my first day in my new country and i completely agree with them. If i do something wrong, i will be asked questions by the police and its not xenophobia, its their job to dig.
And there is also corruption, go to Mozambique with a GP registered car if you don't believe me, i feel unwelcome but i cabt call it xenophobia.
Let's respect and embrace one another.
Travelling does not make one superior, but the depth the relationships we create with those who are different from us will enrich our lives.
U spoken on my behalve as a san in a foreign country presently
I wish the host could read this and understand your view as a South african staying abroad . People are so quick to judge South Africans for our weakness and short comings
To be honest, I feel that most foreigners in South Africa are very bias and generalising when approaching the ill behaviour of some foreign national and this is the cause for the ever escalating hatred for foreign nationals especially Africans.
True 💯, imagine going to Nigeria and generalize all Nigerians as Boko harams.
South Africans are also Africans. Especially Africans. Eish
@@africaine4889 Read again. "Foreign nationals especially Africans" Sleep on it if you have to. You will eventually figure it out.
whites do far worse than foreigners as they are refered or other Black people from this continent yet self hating blacks worship and tap dance to the very same whites.
I also do not like he notion tht SA people do not travel yet relocating coz circumstances is not travelling to me, the whole xenophobia thing they twist it to suit their satisfaction
But South Africa is the best country in Africa and migrants is a prove, this is just a fact of reality. People vote with their feets
I hope you know we will continue to celebrate each other regardless of where we come from, we are African.❤ We are connected and one ❤🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
My grandmother was married in Zimbabwe and she was blessed with 7 kids, My mom was a proud Zimbabwean woman, I was born in South Africa and my father is from South Africa but Zim/Shona is in my blood. That’s my identity and I embrace that ❤
Be humble and not tell us what to do and compare us we will never bother you. Very good to say we are African in South Africa but when Mugabe and his men killed Ndebeles I wonder that word was mentioned Africans.
we dont care, just dopnt expect to hold SA hostage over migration crisis simple because you are a mix breed
There is a difference between traveling and emigrating to a country not sure if Masilela took note of that because South Africans do travel
Well said
Only for tourism ......
Really enjoyed this conversation as a South African living in the UK for the past 20 years and living with my English partner. The point about being a global citizen is tough as to me, South Africa will always be home even though I have lived all my adult life in the UK. I am glad I grew up in SA as I am fluent in my mother tongue and will hopefully be able to teach my offspring the Setswana and Sesotho culture. I would want to be buried in SA, but when our newborn arrives, I wonder if my view will change.
I like how she said "House Manager" in description of her maid. Wow. Learnt something respectful today 🙏🏼😊
I'M comgolese living in Canada . I have never been to SA but i would like to visit this beautiful country .
I know what it feels to live in a foreign country msot especially when your skin color is the big difference. For SA I don't want to be trapped in this xenophobic conversation because I know there are good south africans out there . For the bad south africans not wanting foreigners in their country I have nothing to say about them ,all I would say if your foreigner in ANY country keep in mind that anything can happen to be due the fact that you are not a local but this shouldn't prevent you from enjoying that country you are in .
Thank you so much, so open minded. I am South African.
Thank you so much for this coz this conversation make SA look like a xenophobic country which is not even the case we still host large amounts of African, European and Asian foreigners. so how are we xenophobic as a country?. even this xenophobia thing is not fuelled by hate but just a scrabble for limited resources.
We dont say we dont like Foreigners . We dislike illegal foreigners since they tend to do illicit things, cannot be traced.
Please also mention that foreigners should behave in foreign countries.
@@thabisothejane5328 Citizens should behave too.
Good relationship between GH & SA... Keep it up guys.
On the spaza shop thing it's quite simple really, not about "work" culture. Outside of the whole "legality"(papers, paying taxes, fake goods, workers being forced to work, live ,bath in the same spaza shop, supposedly funding terrorist groups...) stuff.
If a Somali family for example, moved to a township & opened a spaza shop to feed that family, that would've been fine. That's the point of having a spaza shop. If a group of Somalis came together, rented a small market/plaza to have multiple shops in it like we have in townships, it wouldn't be a problem as they'd be competing with multinational companies(pic n pay, shoprite...) at that point.
Unfortunately, that's not the case with spaza shops. What we have here is syndicates that came into townships with an intention of taking over the spaza shop economy which was meant for small families, by opening spaza shop franchises/multiple shops in the same area, owned by the same syndicates, who are essentially operating like a multinational company(as in, they buy products in bulk at negotiated discounts, make "fake" products as shown on the news, to sell at lower prices, that an average family owning one spaza shop cannot afford to sell at) thus eliminating a financial lifeline of a family owning a spaza shop in that area. That's the main issue.
Deep conversation! My question is what makes someone not speak at least one local language in a country/ town they were born and grew up in? They rather feel English than anything beyond but they are not English. This is the challenge we have here in Zim. Someone is born in Bulawayo (they are of a different tribe) but they fail to speak IsiNdebele and other local languages. I don’t understand.
It seems you ignorant about the criminal element carried by illegal migrants, it's not all of them but the fact that even all who here legally don't condone it publicly makes it worse, South Africans have always welcomed everyone until our senseless laws where taken advantage of, they don't get away easily with crime at home like they do here. That's the biggest problem
Ghanaians have been in SA even before the dawn of democracy.
They had come to then Transkei as proffesionals, especially un the health sector.
We grew up with them as 80s kids, went to primary school all the way through varsity. We build life long friendships.
There was never any claims of xenophobia.
all this xenophobia talks emanated after marginalized South Africans epxressed their displeasure at the rampant surge of illegal immigrants. and that displeasure mainly results from the illegal immigrants undoing gains made by SA worker's unions.
illegal immigrants fill in where South Africans refuse exploitation.
With that, said there are responsible and qualified immigrants who come to SA to actually add value and contribute positively in the development of this country.
South Africa has no issues with the latter.
Yes, the likes of Ababios and Frempong. They are good lectures 🎉
You should atleast learn one language of your new country of residence. That's how Zim people survive in SA. Educated people won't be xenophobic because their jobs are protected. Ordinary people are competing with foreigners for low skilled jobs. That's where the problem lies. And employers prefer foreigners because they don't demand a living wage. Some of the foreign business owners are selling counterfeit goods. That's why it's difficult to compete with them.
If you are Ndebele from Zim obviously you'd know know or Xhosa
Is it about traveling or its about green pastures WE DO TRAVEL for holidays we don't become overstayers
I LOVED this conversation - its one that is not openly discussed and very few people can admit to how being ''othered'' really displaces you. Even experiences of seeing your parents, family or friends being ''othered'', such traumas. You really touched a sensitive spot with this one. 🙂 Please do a follow-up episode on ''Global-Africa citizen relationships''. I am Malawian-South African, born and raised in SA. My partner is Tsonga-Ndebele and we are raising our 6-year-old whose 1st and only language is English by default - that alone should tell you of our current struggles. I would love to hear how other couples are doing it.
We love you Ghanians. You are not criminals. You are industrious and like Church. Welcome to South Africa 🇬🇭=🇿🇦Thank you for holding your flag high in our country.
rubbish! those kwerekweres must leave SA
@@thabangtladi8057 you calling us cockroaches. Have you really looked at yourself very well?
@@thabangtladi8057so u don’t like Ghanaians and fyi there are barely any Ghanaians over there rubbish on to u
Hypocrite,if you can't love Zimbabweans, Mozambicans, Zambians ,it's Ghanaian you want to pretend you love
What I've always notice about half South Africans they always choose or side with their other half and blame or talk bad about SA. For example they wish to marry Malawian/Ghanaian, as for the guy he have zero positive things to say about SA. Anyway ekugqibeleni I enjoyed incoko yabo
But, I think it comes from childhood trauma, of not being fully excepted.
South Africa has the highest unemployment in world. Therefore anyone who comes to make money on entry level jobs and business is an enemy to the poor citizens by default.
Woow i never knew that
You really believe this bull**shit? I mean you have to be ignorant to even believe that we have high unemployment in the world. We actually the most employed nation even here in Africa. You need to look at this stats
Do you know about South Africa's taxi association? That business generates more than 500 billion dollars a year and taxi owners are counted as unemployed people. Don't be fooled by the unemployment percentage alot of South Africans are self employed and are multi millionaires that don't pay tax. My father is a taxi owner, he has 15 taxis and he's a multi millionaire but registered as unemployed and so is the rest of the taxi owners who are multi millionaires who are over 70 000 all over South Africa. Ask South African citizens about how rich a taxi owners and you will see that black South Africans are the richest in Africa while they have the highest unemployment rate. We don't need the government to survive.
@@wahwah7701 you speaking rubbish , go find stats on how many SAns survive on grant .. this is not about you and your family
@@ScissorN My sister earns survival grant but comes from a rich family because she is unemployed and My dad is regarded as unemployed but yet he's a multi millionaire taxi owner. She doesn't need that money but regards it as free pocket money, we call it cheating the system. It's paradise in South Africa we don't even pay tax from our family business.
Ursula is sooo right. Xenophobia is layered. From ego, to being narrow minded and mix in crime from foreign nationals nje is a bad mix which fuels the hates. Mind you all these elements may be minor but together it’s a big monster.
Travelling n migrating are two different things this Bs of south Africans not travelling is outdated
Just for vacation!
When the lady in the beginning saying it's rife ,I wish she could have elaborated because I'm around foreign nationals and I work with them, we treat each other like we would any local. We see them around grocery stores, clubs, restaurants etc. So I wonder where might it be rife?
Lies or either married to them.
"So here you are
too foreign for home
too foreign for here
never enough for both." - Ijeoma Umebinyuo
I think we are getting into a situation where officials will be accussed of xenophobia by just doing their job. I dont think there anything wrong for officials to double-check since they are faced with a lot of things going on. To accuse them of xenophobia I think its not fair. How should they do their job? Rely on your word of mouth? Come on guys.
That's a point
she went further to say "I'm not good at bribing" but how do you bribe someone when you are not in the wrong? Also, not all officials are looking for bribes or are into corruption, be careful.@@sherwindlamini5995
South Africans are clean, "be in South Africa legally with correct papers.Respect law".Once they r here ,they start talking ill about South Africans ,U r xenophobic, u r Lazy,u r this & that,how do u expect a person to accept u in his house when u r talking such ill about him.No one can convince me that Africans brought any skill in South Africa because they found South Africa well developed built purely by South African alone.Africans came here After 1994 to look for greener pastures without no skill except Doctors & few teachers from Ghana.Some people with big businesses in their Countries come to South African and open small businesses like tuckshops to avoid paying tax and also bring their brothers 90% illegal to run these tuckshops .How do u expect poor South Africans to compete with wealthy people who stay in Ethiopia, Bangladesh , Somalia & China and to make things worse mostly with fake stuff.when we complain,they throw words like xenophobia, Lazzy to blindfold people who r not here to experience all these truth.yes we r all Africans but let respect Law and each other, that is what South Africans r demanding .Finish & klaar.
You raised the important thing most people can't talk about
If we being honest all Africans are xenophobic in sudan they call kenyans aliens i was shocked to hear that but than remembered where i come from africans are also called names am currently dating an American hun its been a cool ride we just riding n seeing where love leads us
even in zim a foreigner os called an alien thats what written on the constitution. all african countries consider anyone outside their country a foreigner thats the law it doesnt have emotions if its black person or not ur just foreigner. so i dont know why people act like SAns calling black people of other african countries foreigner is hate.
@traway9067 they lile acting lile this happens in sa only
Travel for whatever reason can be a mind expanding experience. If you choose to explore and experience places and cultures you perceive to be very different from our own that can be a panacea to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.
First time coming across this channel and I love it here already ❤️ thank you for a beautiful conversation very relatable 💯
I dont know why we're forced to like people just because they're black...
Not factoring in if they like you back, or respect you or even are self aware to know they are being an eyesore.
Selfhate. As a panafricanists I love all black people
Like I don't f****king get it. How do we relate with west Africans to begin with
@@lozi4163 Bruh
@@AlkebulanJahmiah Let me open your mind... The most advanced societies in the world achieved their status through battle, conflict and competition... Wars among Wester countries is what pushed them to improve their military, earning power and resourcefulness... That's why nations compete in world cups....
Africa needs to remain seperated so we can push each other through competition and trade...
Grouping a bunch of losers and expecting a miracle is fooloshness...
Diversity loses its strength when you intergrate.
Pan Africanism is the same spirit that got us colonised... You want to hug your opponent during battle...
Borders made colonisers rich ... They will make us rich aswell
Why are you even needing to be forced in the first place ?
You shouldn't be forced and it can't be. But that's like when you have a cousin, even a distant one, and you are asking why you are forced to like just because they are your cousin.
Shame
On Ursh's superiority complex comment, I absolutely agree. Being the land of dreams for the rest of the African continent, I don't think we can ever imagine a situation where South Africa would be so despondent to the point of us moving for survival to other African countries. So it's really like "Travel to learn about them? What for?"
My question is why you people only attacking your fellow blacks from other Africa countries however more Asians and other nationals are coming in like Droms and set up illegal businesses in your communities but you guys wouldn't dare to attack them... selfhate is real
@@rositascarborough674 SA is the biggest exporter in Africa and largest manufacture. Don't just respond out of bitterness and resentment with envy, do research and use facts. SA is the biggest exporter in Southern region while in North, West, East and central is china. SA is the least importing nation in Africa as compared to the rest and we are an industrial nation. Never allow jealous and bitterness to do thinking for you
@@rositascarborough674which African country is better than SA and doing more business in Africa than SA? Why you compare us to those countries as if your country is doing anything?
@@rositascarborough674 But Chinese companies dominate in East, North and West Africa not here in South Africa and thats because of technology devices that they sell because those countries you mentioned industrialized much earlier than South Africa, we are a developing country and you are comparing us to developed countries, I think you are requesting too much from South Africa, give us time we will catch up, after all we got our freedom and sovereignty 30 years ago and 30 years is not a long time ago, I'm very impressed with what South Africa has achieved in 30 years such a short time. You have that white people mentality, thinking black people can't handle business on there own and there's always someone taking advantage of them. Where did you get that information so I can search it and confirm it my self. China is South Africa's largest trading partner, that should give you a clue that what brings us together with China is trading which is why they are our largest TRADING partner not business partner.
@@rositascarborough674 South Africa is the largest food exporter in South Africa. All that food is finished products. South Africa is the most industrialized country in Africa and the only reason you industrialize is so you can sell finished products. So it doesn't make sense for you to think South Africa don't sell finished products while they are the most industrialized country in Africa. We don't create these factories and companies for nothing.
I love this talk. Asisi you are the great and fabulous. I will encourage my kids to watch this episode.
I just discovered you guys. Brilliant well thought and well articulated conversation. Definitely subscribing and checking out other videos
I am enjoying you conversation guys
What an eye opening discussion, we ain't experienced nothing yet bcs we always confined to our country ❤
Great content. Very relevant topic. Lots of layers. It's also quite interesting how some 'africans' are eager to learn european languages when they immigrate to european countries, but are quite resistant to learning local langues when immigrating to other african countries.
We are Ghanaians no matter what where ..the blood boil so hot,even kids born in America later relates strong to Ghana and proud Ghanaians as well,Ghanaian girl just move to new country and start again u would be fine and well accepted ok
Thank you, ladies, for this discussion because my daughter is a Congolese South African, and I feel strongly about ensuring that she is extremely proud of her heritage, but today, I learned that it's important too that I encourage her to be fluent in my language too. Sadly, I learned today that she might have to deal with not being fully accepted in a country where she is born and identifies with. That she can't own this country like I did,that's crazy.
I’m married to a Congolese(DRC) man and being with him has been mind opening. I definitely understand and relate to everything discussed.
How is congo treating you?
@akhonazasembo3016 I'm a comgolese as well here . Watching from Canada
You live in congo or is it the same usual case of people benefiting from SA? Why we never see your kind going to live in your husband country?
A banna ba fedile mo South Africa?
@lozi4163 I think she lives in her congolese house 🏠 in South Africa .
She doesn't necessarily have to live in Congo while her husband house is in SA.
what's wrong with that?
A full round of applause 👏 👏 👏 from an African American! I loved this topic and it’s so funny that this act of xenophobia happens all around the world amongst black communities.
Awesome show. The topic is one that a lot of us can relate to.
I struggle to understand the idea that we south Africans should travel the world. The African migrants who came to south Africa we not traveling the world , but either came for economic opportunities or running away as refugees. I find this idea to be nonsensical.
Honestly!! People need to differentiate between migration & travelling
Lol they want to replace us .. they want us to move into their countries while they stay here to do whatever they want.. banyile
thast is called forced integration 😅
This conversation was so important. I fully relate to everything said
The best way to infuse one's self into a country or a community's culture is to Learn as much as possible about other cultures and national history. Sometimes this xenophobia is over played when even a personality is at play can be easily translated to xenophobia. We are a new democracy and we as people have been locked indoors for over 300 years with no interactions with other African countries. I'm not justifying but it would be beneficial for others when they are in our country to understand us cause apartheid is not as old as their liberations. Most African countries got their liberation more that 50 years ago while we are still trying to find our own places in our own country. It will get better as time goes but all we ask for is to be understood, historically, culturally and politically by those that are in our country instead of them calling us names like "Lazy, stupid and the likes" that will never end the hatred of foreigners by South Africans which is easily generalized even towards innocent and legal foreigners. It's a battle even for us to overcome such emotions and we are trying but an understanding from foreign nationals would go a long way. You are in another country after all. Respect that you are not going to be appreciated at all sides. It's human nature that is still an issue even with people that have never been oppressed like we did or had been democratized for way longer than us. We love you guys. ❤
Unity of Africa ❤️ is the best weapon we have
First people must have unity in their own countries & regions before thinking about African Unity. Secondly, these people are saying South Africans don’t travel, we do, we just are not economic migrants. Lastly, they talk about Tuckshops so short sighted, these foreigners come into the country, manufacture their own goods, most are used to even clean money by ISIS and other terrorists groups. How can we compete with that? SA is grey listed today, for that same reason. Africans must self introspect themselves
Just now 2700 Zama-zama’s have been caught but only 63 people were South Africans & the rest illegal immigrants, how do you unite with those type of people, car jacking in Joburg and tyre spiking are 80% done by foreigners. How can we unite with people who can’t live in peace here? Okunye, how are we to unite with people who can’t assimilate with the culture of this country. Crime was never this high, drugs were never this vastly available
& this girl isn’t South African, she was just born in South Africa….
go unite in your own tribal countries that looks like zoo and stop forcing yourselves on us here in SA please
Yo, I love the South 🇿🇦 can't wait to visit your country.
you cant compete with foreigner interms of township tuckshops coz they manufacture their own pruducts illegally and sell expired stuff at much more cheaper price , thats why the local shop owners fail to keep up with such prices and end up closing down. SA needs laws to prevent foreigners who bring no value in this economy. Everyone can own tuckshop, cut hair, do plumbing but not everyone can be an engineer or doctor a lawyer. we need foreigners who bring in real skills and resources not petty stuff.
In Ghana for example their govt restrict foreigners to certain extent from owning retail shops and if ur capital is less then 500 000 USD, ur will not qualify to own a shop. in SA we dont have such rules. All the people or almost all the people with spaza shops are here illegally becoz most woudnt even qualify to be in SA unless ur have work permit or an investor visa or something. You can't tell me SAn govt allowed a small Tuch shop owner to just come and own a Spaza shop in SA , it can't be considering how strict the SAn visa requirements are. Even Americans find it easier to visit SA but hard to move to SA becoz of visa requirements needed to qualify to move here permanently.
So you want SAn govt to keep allowing people who bring no real necessary value to our economy? Seems like ur are so stupid. People who bring no real value also become easily prone to fall into poverty hole of our country and when that does happen, they resort to illegalities.
You will hardly find a black south african in ur countries , if ur happen to come across one ur considered lucky coz that's not norm. Dont yall say black SAns don't travel???so what changed now @@Jazz-fg2dm
Ijeoma Umebinyuo - 'So, here you are too foreign for home too foreign for here. Never enough for both.' Kuningi there's always so much to unpack after your conversations and I wouldn't have it any other way
Great show. Watching from USA
If i was born in india, does that make me indian???
U wud b a citizen but ethnically no
😂 ya you become muhamed
Did masilela watch couter feit goods that are sold mostly but illegal immigrants or that doesn't not fit the narrative of South African being labeled Xenophobic
That was lovely. I feel like way all the time, especially in Limpopo Giyani. I'm Xhosa, and my spouse is Pedi (molubedu), therefore every time we go shopping at Giyani, people assume you're from Tsonga. I was even afraid to ask because I thought once they know you are Xhosa and I dont understand their language, they will start taking advantage.
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Back in 2007, it was my first time in Pretoria. On the street I bought cooked mealis ( isikhwebu someone) the lady who was selling realized that I couldn't understand Setswana and charged me more than the price she normally charge for.
I only realized that some days latter when I came with my other Xhosa friends who had been there for longer and could speak the language.
The lady was Tsonga/Shangaan judging by the way she dressed ( I could be wrong)
@@zowbaca7299
So you can tell the person's tribe through their attire?
@@zowbaca7299wena you crazy
why are foreigners obsessed with south africans not traveling ?
its called forced integration and desperation of access to SA 😅
They forcing us to allow a disrespectful actions and profiling
miss Mariani you have such an extremely fascinating aura, damn!!!!!!!!!!, woza ntokazi uzogana kwazulu
U need to cause more confusion nawe
I shared your experience Ms Asbo ❤ stay blessed 🫶🏽
I don't travel because I don't want to bother other people. I don't want to be bothered by anyone either. I'm content & satisfied in my own country, thanks.
Travelling expands your mind…
Pls do a live podcast so that we can engagae with y'all by sending superchats
HOST YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL....MARRY ME
I love how you said her name shem
Mna I'm in Love 😍 Springbok shirt lady
Uzoya emalawi ukuyo phahla ingane yakho naye😂?
@@sherwindlamini5995 😂😂Bafo uyandethusa
You are rite ar not paying tax.they think ar clever gigging tax left and right.before you see the pluck on another's eye.see one in your eye first.❤
Stop undermining SAns blame all that on the government and economy that created all that. I lived in Texas for 10yrs and I also experience xenophobia from the Americans. Xenophobic is all over the world 🌎 is just that in our country is highlighted unfairly. I think that because of our spirit of Ubuntu SA was taken for a ride. People took our kindness for granted but having said legal foreigners should be protected.
This conversation is incomplete 😭
Foreigners from another continent arrived in Africa and gave us our "identities" as South Africans, Nigerians, Ghanaians and what not. And like puppets on a string we perpetuate these divisions and think we are free men.... And then we fight one another and think we have a mind of our own. We are trapped in a sad story written from afar.
You oppress each other on religious, ethnic and tribal preferences in your own hopeless zoo called countries yet you think you can lecture SAcn about foreigners from another continent mxm sis you so desperate to be in SA ftsek kwerekwere
Scary topic and yet eye opening
When they say we are not travelling they mean we did not open our eyes yet around the world but what i can say.it was not every South African was affected by Apartheid government.so some of us the was no need to go exile because some of us we were comfortable in our villages.Africans please give South Africa a break.thats enough people.We accept you but please behave in this country. Slalom.
Thats a great discussion
Kudos
thats not a great discussion, foreigners should be holding debates on how best they can improve their own countries and make them attractive for investment rather than forcing themselves on South Africans who tells them daily that they aren't welcome in SA if not posses critical skills
@@thabangtladi8057Your people are over 200k in the UK and they are massively migrating to Israel. Why didn't they stay home yo develop SA? You lots overrate yourselves alot.
they say south africans dont travel then say that a south african who travelled to china got attacked by an hr manager.
Hi Asbo, this is the first time coming across your video and likes it very much.I am also a Ghanaian, but lives in USA for many years and would like to move to south Africa, Johannesburg specifically .
I was laughing during your conversation with the panel.
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Why not move to Ghana? SA is in a crisis
@@ScissorN what crisis? clown!
@@ScissorN I àm thinking of visiting of both countries before decides.Thanks for the advice.
@@emeliathompson3453 ei mfwethu Inkinga sikhathele
@@emeliathompson3453 There's alot of propaganda spread about South Africa. Smart choice in wanting to experience first hand.
The Ghanian lady hardly said anything. The show ended up being about the host and her views
They killed this episode!
Do you speak Ghanaian languages born south Africa also which south African languages you speak?
She speaks none!!! neither Ghaanian or South African!! 😏
Her parents confused her
There are so many Nigerians, Nigeriens, Malians, Burkinabes, and Togolese in Ghana and there is zero xenophobia.
South Africans have to change.
1. If my South African parents give birth to me in Nigeria, does that make me a Nigerian man???
2. Being honest, some of us don't like how foreigners look or sound... And that's valid.
3. This girl doesn't look South African, because she's has 0% SA genetics. She is 100% Ghanaian. I don't become indian because i was born in India.
4. There's nothing wrong with SAns thinking they're better than everyone... Why must SA have to be the humble one while other countries flex everyday?
5. This push to accept foreigners is a result of using emotions over logic. We have rights of admission reserved.
She says "Even though am born Here , Am Fully Ghanaian Culturally".. She not Saying She is From there .. But some way she stayed there all her life. So if she claim SA for a sec allow her..
You can tell she also Proud of her Heritage bt all her life been In SA.. Calm down
As same as,Nigerians thinks they are the "Deal".. Everyone is a Deal....🤝
First of all she's African, A lot of south Africans in England Ireland, Australia claiming to be Westerners
@@AlkebulanJahmiahthose are usually white people
Listen to yourself. In your head, you’ve already judged who is SAn and who’s not. You forget the concept of country is an-made as well. The fact that someone is born in a place, knowing only that place, does not register to you. Rather, “she doesn’t look SAn etc”. Your yardsticks are extremely narrow and discriminatory.
Wow I haven't laughed this hard in a while 😂. I like how you guys discussed a sensitive topic with your natural comedy 😂. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. 😂❤
Nd when we travel we do it officially
Hey beautiful sister u gained a suscriber , SAs love everyone from all countries " if you come to help us to build the country not destroy it" . I love you guys and if you don't have anyman yet please I'm available.
😢😢 brutal... The true South African experience.... South Africa is heaven on hell...
even in the Mahgreb nations...Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and even Egypt there are some underlying issues stemming from past colonial experiences so that today those people despite all of them speaking Arabic are using the instruments of their colonial experiences to project nuances of xenophobia, uppity or superiority on the" other"
0:20 you pronounced the name with a near perfect Ghanaian accent
😂😂😂 yeah
South African women have created problems for us for real by legitimising foreign marriages for money. Our people have contributed to these pestilent problems that we have in SA. I can't imagine in 15 years time what will happen to this country.
Japan is the country struggling with ageing population, not China
And Korea.
Love the Ghanaian girl demeanour. Beautifully spirited.
Anyone knows where to find her?
Aloha,,,i Love your Conversation...it is indeed a very Sensitive topic...sadly the way we are made to think is been a huge problem for Generations.....People have become to power hungry selfish I and greedy... and arrogant too...some think they know better than others and feel more superior even though we are one people....this is sadly a Human condition across all Demographics.....i simply hate people like this....sad sad day for us as a species,,,,IN FACT WE HAVE DIVIDED OURSELVES LONG BEFORE TTHE COLONISERS HAVE...JUST LOOK AT HOW ONE BLACK WILL LOOK AT ANOTHER...THE ETHNICITIES THAT WE COME FROM HAS BEEN OURGREATEST DIVIDER WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER AS IF WE SHOULD NOT EXIST...THEN WER WANT TO BLAME OTHERS FOR THEIR PROBLEMS...SHAMEFUL...I BELIEVE WE ARE HUMANS AND WE SHOULD ACCEPT EACH OTHER AS HUMANS....SIMPLE
You claim to be educated but you cannot differentiate between traveling and relocating/emigrating. SA people do travel and come back home. We don't become nuisance in other people's countries.
Most people from African countries say South Africans don't travel and that's not true the thing with South Africans we don't migrate to other African countries as much as they migrate to South Africa!!
Hi Ursula ...lovely show, its entertaining and informative. Keep it up! Please dont shoot the messenger, abobruda want to know...are you married? ...haai, they say your smile is problematic shem. No details , just a yes or no?... and could you kindly direct them to were they can shoot their shot...again, iam just the messenger.
We do travel a lot, you dhoukd have seen it when we went to vote this yesr
My gay brother moved to Namibia with his namibian husband and their son. They got married in SA cause they met here and stayed here for long before moving to Namibia. His been treated so inhumane since he moved there and been fighting for his rights to be in namibia as a namibian they even sued the state him and his husband and they case still going on. So is not so nice to live in other african countries as is it in SA. The freedom and human rights are very limited in other part of Africa. Our constitution alone is deemed one of the best in the in africa so as a South African is not easy to cope out of South africa according to me.
And not only about him i visited him and his family in Namibia. They not as welcoming. They so judgemental. South Africa is very welcoming.
You can google my brother's story his name is Daniel Digashu i wish he could share his story on the show when he visit home.
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And how can one live in SA and don't want to do what the SA's does, you can't force your culture from another country into south african culture and expect everything to be normal , if you want to live In SA follow the SA's culture 🤷
You hve hte