Why I Prefer Super Mario Bros. Wonder To Mario Odyssey
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0:00 - Intro
2:24 - Mario Wonder Thoughts
6:38 - Mario Odyssey Comparison
11:47 - Why Wonder Wins
14:39 - Summary
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Can we all just take a second to appreciate how insane the Switch era has been (still is)? So many fantastic games, everyone has found at least one of their all time favorites.
Almost surpassed soulja boy's console
Nintendo Switch “Make Nintendo Great Again”
Has been a great system for rpgs
Especially after the Wii U era when Nintendo were on pretty shaky ground.
@@garrusvakarian8709 few third party developers compared with Switch though. I had a WiiU and enjoyed it a lot but it was lost on a lot of people after the mega successful Wii.
What I’d love to see next is a complete overhaul of the Super Mario All-stars collection using this engine 😍 I know I know, I might be in the minority as many others would love to see something NEW, but man.. I’d be the happiest person to see Super Mario Bros. 2 & 3 in this style.
Bro you just got my hopes up over this comment and I now hate you.
I enjoyed Super Mario Odyssey for the creative level design, the music (the forest, desert, New Donk City, and Bowser's Castle are my favorite tracks), and Cappy's capture mechanics. It was a great game! But you are right, after you beat Bowser, I kind of lost motivation to find more Moons. It is cool to revisit from time to time to just explore especially if you have had a long break from the game.
Now I am still playing through Super Mario Bros Wonder and I have to say as someone who isn't as crazy about 2D Mario games compared to the 3D ones and the Mario RPGs (pre-Sticker Star of course), this was a surprise hit game for me and am enjoying it way more than I anticipated I would. I just love the Wonder Seed twist to level design, the animations, the badge system, and even the music (love the new Underground theme)! Also, as someone with a busy work life that only squeezes in about 1-1 1/2 hours of gaming on the weekdays, Super Mario Bros Wonder has been a huge stressbuster for me due to how fun and colorful it is! Both are great games in their own right! :)
Ass good as this game is. Rayman legends is way better.
Nice to see that people are being respectful in the comments. I really like this conversation. I can’t weigh in on which game I prefer because I haven’t beaten Wonder yet and I also feel like I’d want to go back and replay Odyssey before weighing in because I do think recency bias can be a thing. I think it’s great that this is a legit conversation though because I think it speaks to how quality Wonder is in comparison to the NSMB series - which I would not even consider anywhere near the same level
of quality or fun as any 3D Mario.
All of the Odyssey moons is NOT for players to find them all, it is so that players can find their own moons and create their own adventure and story as they play it.
Having a massive over abundance of moons is actually incredible game design, similar to to the koroks in breath of the wild / tears of the kingdom; Nintendo is telling you to just have fun, make your own adventure, and not to worry about going for 100% completion.
The "harder and more obscure moons to find" is just hard and obscure for you, but will be easy to find for someone else because they look in different places than you and go off in different directions than you.
Vice-versa as well; the moons you found were super easy to find would have been the insanely hard and obscure moons to find and get for someone else.
Got to look at it like it is meant for you to create your own adventure and that Nintendo is actively telling you to NOT find all of the moons.
Well said 👍
I think you should replay Mario Odyssey. Mario Odyssey is a masterpiece and a love letter to Mario fans. It does a lot of things right, from the transformations and music to the 2D gameplay segments and Easter eggs.
My hope for future 2D Mario games is that they continue to build off from Wonder. I would like to see those unique expressions return, new enemies, maybe have more unique bosses, etc. More powerups would be good too,but this game is definitely one of the best 2D Mario games that I've played in a while. Maybe add new kingdoms? Try to experiment more?
Me too
As long as it's not another New Super Mario Bros. title, I'm all in.
@@jaretco6423 the DS and Wii versions were great games but 2 and U got stale.
@Matty_Ice3955 True. DS & Wii are passable. It's 2 & Wii U that makes me getting sick and tired of them. They may not be bad games. But they are so samey, bland and boring to me that they don't felt " new ".
I've always preferred 2D Mario.
Me too.
Same here, odyssey has some strong moments, but Wonder is just more fun to play through, and especially to 100% comlete!
Love both games but ima have to give it to odyssey easily
Honestly I agree, What I love about Wonder is that despite its flexibility of obtaining the collectibles, you still have to do certain levels. What I disliked most about Odyssey, is just how easy it is to get a Power Moon, so much so that you don't even have to bother with completing most of the main objectives. With Wonder, it doesn't matter how many Wonder seeds you obtained, their only good in certain areas and unlock certain paths you have to follow. I think the shortness of the levels helps the gameplay flow as in the New series, they can be really boring with how long they are.
It's interesting how we're basically the opposites with our opinions when it comes to the endgames of these games. I liked how you didn't have to get every single moon to access the final level of odyssey, though that may have been because of the seer amount of them. That doesn't change the fact that I don't like it when a game forces you to 100% levels to access the final level, so I don't think I will ever play the Final Final test in wonder but I played and loved Darker side (however frustrating it was but that made the completion so elating.) in Odyssey.
Its still early, will see if I feel the same. I wanted this more than an Odyssey sequel at the moment because we've been away from original 2d longer than we have 3d mario. Longer if you don't count any of the NSMBU games after DS or the makers as original projects.
I kinda have to agree here. I enjoyed Odyssey. But I had way more fun with Wonder because I think it's more polished and has better gameplay perspective, level designs, power-ups, gimmicks, challenge, etc. They didn't overstays it's collecthon that much as the moons were in Odyssey and while the game isn't the hardest, it's certainly has better difficulty curve & platforming challenge than Odyssey has. That & I'm not an huge fan of open sandbox/collecthon in any 3D platforming games. Whether if it's like Mario 64 & Sunshine or something like Banjo-Kazooie. I prefer the linear style over the open world/collecthon in any 3D games like Mario Galaxy & 3D World or something like Crash Bandicoot and Kirby & Forgotten Land because I found those has way better balanced of level designs, collectables, progression & pacing.
Without spoiling anything, I just wanna mention the final boss of wonder. Usually when I’m fighting a Mario boss, there’s lots of adrenaline but I just wanna defeat it and get it over with. With wonder, I was having so much fun that I didn’t want it to end. When I beat it I got kinda sad because it was over.
Rob always with the original topics. 🫡
Heck yeah. Thanks, bro!
@@Ruleof2Review Always! 👊🏿
I actually agree with you about the Mario Odyssey criticisms. It was an amazing game but there were just too many moons that ended up slightly diluting the experience of getting one.
Wonder definitely managed to surprise me.
You can't compare a 2D game vs a 3D game. They are totally different. What you have to do is compare Mario Wonder to any Mario 2D game you have played & compare the Mario Odyssey to any 3D Mario game you have played.
The best Mario games are the 3 w’s: World, Wii and Wonder
I don't understand the complaint against Mario Odyssey having a low ceiling for completion just because you can find enough moons to progress before exploring all there is to do in a level.
It's always been that way for 3D Mario games. Every world has multiple Stars to find within the same sandbox, and you don't even have to get them all to beat the game, and the Galaxy games, in particular, have a rather uninteresting post game as well.
The whole point of Odyssey was to evolve that collectathon formula into a much more seamless and open adventure and with the sandbox levels being so big, they have to be filled with moons so that you're constantly rewarded for engaging with every corner of the level which is filled with all sorts of fun stuff to do that would have originally booted you out of the level after completing just to hop back in and and go somewhere you've already been or do something you couldn't do before in the same level.
The level design and sheer variety of activities, transformations, challenges, and how they're so brilliantly tied together into a cohesive sandbox, which there are many of, is just absolutely incredible. Especially when paired with the smoothest and tightest controls of any 3D Mario game.
They're both some of the Switch's best. I think I like Odyssey just a tad more but Wonder undeniably slaps. Wish it had more bosses though.
They really are two of the best. Though ironically, for me I actually preferred Wonder’s smaller boss count. I think it works better for the game. Imo.
As a video game boss fanatic I missed them in wonder, but as mentioned by more, it never hurts the game either. It's perfect level design and creativity make up well for it. It doesn't do the usual mario world stuff with castles and pathetic easy bosses, it focusses on world stories and adds a boss whenever it felt right, I personally think this game handled it perfectly well, every battle with bowser Jr in NSMB was boring and tedious, yet every fight in wonder against him was exciting and thrilling, for once he felt like a challenge
I haven’t completed Mario Wonder yet but I can already say it’s the best 2D Mario in decades. I still prefer Mario Odyssey a little more at the moment (I like 3D Mario games more in general) but maybe that will change once I’ve completed Wonder!
I very much enjoy both. Nintendo for me is as good as its been since the 64/Gameboy era
I think personally enjoyed both equally for different reasons. Both are so good. I really enjoyed my recent time with Mario Wonder as it just brings back the more simple time of gaming. ✌️
Ok, now... I don't AGREE that Wonder is better than Odyssey... but I don't DISAGREE either. The Switch has brought us some of the best mainline Mario games the series has ever seen. If we're measuring each game by modern standards (ex: 64 was revolutionary AF, and an all time great back in the 90s, but nowadays the controls are extremely dated), then I'd say the only game that measures up to the same levels of awesomeness that Odyssey and Wonder do, is Galaxy.
Both are great games, they are completely different from each other. I'm up to world 6 so not too long to go until I finish it, the wonder flower level change is a brilliant idea and would like to see it in another mario game.
I agree with the world map being a little to much, I just level select then make my way from there instead of travelling around the whole map.
Don’t worry Rob. Wario and Waluigi ARE coming to a platforming game in the future. We just have to give it time. Mario platformers are so high quality, that they can drip feed us new features and each new game will still feeel fresh. I bet it’s the “hook” for a future Mario platformers on the Nintendo NG console. I want to play as Wario or Waluigi too. I’m surprised they’ve never made a Super Wario Bros game. But that’s ok. Having the Wario Bros as playable in a Mario game is a better idea anyway. Better than Toad palette swaps.
Speaking of Toad, why does it have to be Blue or Yellow Toad? Why not just Toad? If you need two, then add Toadsworth or Toadbert or something.
Odyssey felt disjointed to me, it's about marriage, it's about hats, it's about traveling, it's about cooking, it's about a cabaret show with realistic people for no reason, if it had a central theme connecting the dots it would be a better game imo
I felt exactly the same with Odyssey.
Like...exactly!
Haven't picked up Wonder yet but I definitely will.
I think wonder and odyssey are both great games and it really depends on personal preference: 2d or 3d? Me personally I prefer odyssey for being 3d open world. Why because I love games like SM64 where I can explore and find new things! Also the fact the odyssey doesn’t deal with lives and how coins actually serve a purpose to buy cosmetics in the game!
Great points man... the diversity and the creativity in Wonder.. and those wonder effects in each stage really catch the player off guard.. not to mention the visuals, the level design, the backgrounds, the animations, the power-ups, the enemy diversity, and even the soundtrack... which are pretty much hitting on all cylinders... the only thing that may be lacking in Wonder is the 3 boss battles with Bowser Jr.. but still fun overall.. for me it truly felt like the next evolution in 2D Mario since Super Mario World, sort of skipping over the NSMB games...
Haven't played Mario Bros Wonder yet ... but looking forward to it !
Play it. It's an amazing game.
I disagree.
Odyssey had more wild ideas. It was bigger too.
Wonder's wonder seeds were not as crazy as the talking flowers made them out to be and it's so short.. Will we have to wait 11 more years for the next 2D Mario game?
I prefer wonder over odyssey as well also cause I like when 3D Mario’s used to have multiple save files like Mario bros wonder has
Mario odyssey has the same amount of save files as Wonders safe files are tied to profiles changing them is just made easier.
@@Masaim6how do I find the save files in odyssey? 👀
@@Thundervolt888Just make a new user and you can start from scratch without losing your saves on the other.
I ❤ both Super Mario Bros Wonder and Super Mario Odyssey. A best 2D Mario and best 3D Mario games ive played.
I only started liking Mario when it moved to 3D so it's Odyssey for me.
What if you used your knowledge of and background in music to do a breakdown of music from your favorite titles. Guests from the industry could do deep dives with you. Would you entertain the idea of becoming the Rick Beato of game music? It could open doors for you musically too. Who knows?, Nintendo may turn Mario into a metal head?
As a fellow Mario enthusiasts, I wasn't crazy about the gameplay loop in Odyessy but i loved the boss battles. On the flipside in Wonder i loved the gameplay loop but thought the boss battles were a bit underwhelming. But as you stated both games are great for their own reasons
To each there own, i enjoyed Wonder but its nowhere near the quality and scope of Odyssey for me. I feel like they still played it safe in some aspects and game is to short.
2d games are always short
@@therealjaystone2344deluxe is considerably longer + it has challenges to keep entertaining you even after you’ve done everything in main game + Luigi
@@therealjaystone2344 yeah. I always find it lame when people use length as their primary reason for preferring something. Like, 2D mario isn’t supposed to be a one and done kinda game. Replayability has been a key part of it for a long time.
Mario Odyssey for me wins because it allows for many more possibilities, in terms of movesets, shortcuts and (path)ways of exploring, collecting moons. The gameplay in Mario Wonder, although quite varied thanks to the badges, is more straightforward. Often in Mario Odyssey, I wonder whether I can take a shortcut or go straight up to the top using Cappy. Whenever I succeed, it's just marvelous. This is a satisfying feeling I don't get in Mario Bros Wonder. I understand that Odyssey may feel a bit overwhelming having too many moons to collect, but just like Koroks in BOTW and TOTK, I don't believe we are meant to collect all of them. On the other hand though, it could be that having many more moons to collect feels that every one time you collect a moon feels less "amazing" than if there were fewer moons. An improvement could be that you must go through more steps to get the moon (or star or shrine) so that each time you collect a moon, it feels more rewarding. Because indeed most moons in Odyssey are kind of "freebies".
I appreciate a few people like Wonder better though. It just shows that 2D nintendo platform games are still very enjoyable.
I agree about adding Wario and Waluigi as a characters in Mario mainline game. Even better if they had unique movesets.
Bowser jr needs his own game now so adorable
I’ve liked 2d more. And I do things wonder is the better game. But Nintendo has to turn Bowser back into villain instead of a Clown. SMB3 Bowser is still the coolest and most intimidating of them all.
Wonder was more fun. It could be recency bias maybe, but for now wonder is better
Thats a tough call to make. I love both
Mario Odyssey can get frustrating before you are done if you are chasing completion... The reason this isn't an issue in Mario Wonder is that you can beat the game 100 % in a few hours without a guide quite easily. The scope and exploration aspect of Mario Wonder is much more limited.
I enjoyed Mario Wonder a lot. I wish it has a few more challenge levels and I wish the boss diversity would have been improved. I wish every map had a bonus for completing it with a certain badge to add more variety in what badges you use.
I think Mario Wonder gets exaggerated hype. It's one of my favorite games of the year for sure and I played it to 100 % completion. It is a VERY solid 2d platformer. But I'd still easily put Celeste, and a fair few other games above it as the best 2d platformers.
Comparing cross-genre with a 3d platformer with a lot of exploration and player freedom doesn't make a lot of sense, but if I had to pick a game between Odyssey and Wonder I think Odyssey is a more well-rounded game that captures themes more consistently, has a better difficulty mix, has better boss diversity, has more gameplay variety. I prefer Odyssey when it comes to movement flow as well.
I've yet to play Wonder but I am chomping at the bit to, I'm pretty sure my partner is getting it for my birthday in a weeks so I can't comment on it compared to Odyssey. I loved Odyssey very much, I love how Nintendo it is but I agree with your about the amount of Moons and cappy being really cool but not perfect. Also but kid's and I have loved playing together with the 2D Mario games and they didn't really get into Odyssey in the same way.
Saying that, I do believe if it wasn't for Nintendo having one the best Launch years for a system esp with BOTW, Odyssey would of been game of the year any other year.....
Mario Galaxy is still my favourite 3d Mario.
Same.
I like Super Mario Wonder a lot but Odyssey is towering over it in my opinion. Odyssey is my favorite Mario game of all time. Super Mario 64 was one of the first real video games I ever played, it was just so immersive. I knew of the 2D Marios but the 3D ones were just a whole new experience and really it was that immersion that did it for me. I know you love Galaxy, Rob, and it is a great game, but when it came out I was pretty disappointed because they had abandoned that open world and exploration concept and started to do a 3D but linear type of thing. As the years went on it seemed like that just wasn't going to happen, and nothing ever came close to gripping me like Mario 64 and Sunshine did. However it did come back and better than ever with Super Mario Odyssey, which is a game that just keeps on giving I mean like half of the game is post-game content.
Odyssey is a certified 10. Wonder gets a 9.9 because of that damn invisible badge final-final challenge. Took me so many hours it decreased the score. There are 435 names in the credits and one was responsible for that atrocity. Not even the jump rope was capable of doing that to odyssey.
That 100 jumps sucked the first time around and that beach volley ball
Nah, i prefer redoing the invisibility part rather that the beach volley 100 volleys moon
I think the one thing we are missing about all the moons in Odyssey and how easy some of them are to get is that they make it that way so the game is approachable and enjoyable for gamers of all skill levels, whether they be 5 year olds that just started playing, or 35 year olds that have been playing for 3 decades. Not bashing your opinion, it's just the way I always saw it and I thought that was great.
I just saw the thumbnail and I have to agree immediately
Although for me it’s that Mario wonder is consistently fun from beginning to end while odyssey’s moon eventually feels like collecting koroks and the game drags quickly.
Although it’s a close call there’s higher highs in odyssey but lower lows
Both are amazing
I bot game and good I enjoy playing but game but I like Wonder more than Super Mario Odyssey and I was expecting more content from odyssey apart from the Free DLC but I really want a sequel to that game more than anything so odyssey can be a separate masterpiece of it own on the switch just like Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 is it’s own masterpiece as a whole on the Nintendo Wii as a 3D Mario game.
I completed Odyssey. In a world where I have to choose, I prefer it over Wonder. Thankfully I don't live in that world.
Here’s my (opinion) list of the best (Switch) Mario games.
Mario odyssey
Mario Galaxy
3D world
Yoshis crafted world
Mario maker 2
Mario wonder
Mario U deluxe
Luigis mansion
Mario 64
Bowsers fury
Mario sunshine
The rest I didn’t mention I don’t count (paper mario, RPG, Wario, smash bros, mario kart, toads game)
I think its just crazy that a 2d switch mario game is being compared INCREDIBLY favorably to the 3d one.
While i disagree on mario wonder being better than odessy. I feel like odessy has a lot more to it imo (granted theres a ton of filler nothing moons) But ive almost 100% mario wonder in like 2 weeks barely playing it. Vs mario odessy which took me over a month full on nonstop playing.
I prefer 2d Marios over 3d, so I'm sure I'd prefer Mario Wonder although I haven't played it yet. Hearing the criticism over short levels hits home for me because that's my reason for preferring Mario World & even NSMBU over Mario 3. I loved Mario 3 as a kid, but replaying it as an adult I found that the levels felt tiny.
I think it is time for Toon Link to return, I would love a game like Wind Waker combined with the exploration of Breath of the Wild where each island has amazing secrets
Sorry commented on wrong video 🙊
I am enjoying Super Mario Bros Wonder currently. For some reason , Mario Odyssey didn’t really click with me and I was a big Super Mario Galaxy fan. Not sure if I should re attempt to play Mario Odyssey.
I saw you were going viral on Twitter for your opinion on Ocarina of Time too. I didnt even know you wete still on that site in its current state.
Oh boy. Yeah what a whole crazy scenario that is, lol. And yeah Twitter drives me crazy nowadays and I hate it…but I still use it. I tweet pretty much every day.
Wonder seems to be a good game but I am done with 2D Mario. I have never cared about the new iterations for some reason (anyhting post Super Mario World) and I even lost interest in Oddyssey which was weird considering it is 3D Mario. I guess my taste in games has changed (y).
The Nintendo Switch is my favorite gaming system and it kicked out the GameCube, Wii and PS2. Wonder and Odyssey are both equally acclaim video games.
I didn't looking for the Moons, the game was too enjoyable to not just find more while having some fun in Odyssey. What i didn't like was grinding for coins to buy 10 Moons from every shop in every world, now that was the worst. I know why the option was there, but on a 1st playthrough you'd want to get them all to see if there is anything extra. Now knowing you don't really need the shop's Moons, a new playthrough might be less stressful.
Can’t compare. 1 is a 3D open world and the other is a side scrolling platform.
I so agree . People call me crazy for ranking a 2d game over a 3d one
It is actually a common quote
It's odd to think that a 2D game can be more exciting, thrilling than a larger 3D one for sure. But tbh, mario wonder has definately pulled it off. I've not played a perfect platformer in a long, long time and never bothered over Odyssey, it never felt like a mario game to me, Wonder really nailed everything, and as many said, it is surely one of ( if not ) the best 2D platformer of mario to this day.
@@SillyInsaneGamer odyssey was too easy for a Mario game
I think Wonder is a better package even though I really prefer 3d Mario games.
You touch on it here, but what Wonder nails is the pacing. You're always doing something fun and different and in Odyssey there's a lot of time between that fun. I also generally felt like Odyssey didn't provide quite enough platforming challenge.
Wonder is the game that lacks challenge here but yea both of them are pretty easy.
As much as I too love both Super Mario games (well, with Odyssey, I MOSTLY like because while it's more flawed than people think, it's done so much great things like show the power of the Nintendo Switch and treat kingdoms like worlds for Mario to explore with Cappy and get moons. Super Mario Bros. Wonder is even better, like, way better because of its 2D-esque 3D graphics, music, new worlds and very creative power-ups thanks to the Wonder Flower whose job it is to have full voice acting in a Mario game to make him super funny), I think my main reason to prefer Wonder over Odyssey (and many others' as well) is because of the shift in Peach's character (and the fact that by leaving less stones unturned, you get to play as the Mario Bros., Princesses Peach & Daisy, the main Toads and Yoshies)!
Now, don't get me wrong. It was indeed wrong for Mario to fight with Bowser for Princess Peach's affections like she was some kind of trophy to them. But outside of that, I think he not only ended up regretting it by learning the hard way, but he was also a hero in this game by saving her life like always, just for her to do what instead of make herself useful?!
*Leave them on the moon?!?!?!?!?!*
Even for a character that is infamous for being a stereotype of women (though far from all the time) where she has to wait for her (ex) boyfriend to save her, this is just too out of character for her!
Mario and Bowser may have amazing powers (so do many other Mario characters from Luigi to the Yoshies to Wario to Bowser Jr. to Daisy to Rosalina to even the Toads), but they're people like Peach! And I think that the goal of Odyssey's story is to humanize the main characters (even if for some reason, while it's great to bring back Pauline, they could've brought back Luigi and Yoshi or even Rosalina whom since 2013-ish with Super Mario 3D World started to be used more often)
After your explanation I kinda think I understand your game you like is the game that have linear gameplay you don’t like freedom to do cause you will bored it before you beat it. The Mario you like have fix gameplay and stage.
I may have the same thought like you if I play less game but I play 2D and 3D action games too much (both AAA companies and indies) so many stage is kinda okay but not that fresh on stage so openness of Mario Odyssey is more suited me better. I kinda like both and 100% both.
PS. Waluigi is just a meme and extra character to me with no concrete personality and style so not have Waluigi in mainline game is the best.
Hell no, Wonders is a good game, but it isn't nearly as appealing for hardcore players, at least in the first half I played.
The level designs often are really simple, and they rely on the Wonder Seed to make it more interesting. The badge system is amazing in concept, however, the rewards you get for exploring the levels with the badge abilities are so extremely disppointing, most of the time, you get just a couple of different coins, a life at the most. It's so frustrating. Maybe it gets better later on, but the fact the first half is this way, already is a big minus for this game imo.
Odyssey has amazing exploration with the capture system, there are secret challenge levels all over the place, ultra creative ways of getting moons.
I like Mario Wonder, but to me, it's not nearly as fun as Mario Odyssey, Galaxy, SMB3 ot SM World.
Mario Odyssey is going to become one of those games that y'all will appreciate 10 years from now and regret all the hate it received (like Sunshine)
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen “hate” for Odyssey, so I think that’s a strange perspective. Also, FWIW I’ve been a huge fan and defender of Sunshine since it released.
i loved playing mario wonder its the seconded time i 100% a mario game the other other mario i 100% was mario64. wonder might end up becoming my favorite mario game i can at least say its my favorite mario game on switch mario wonder makes me excited for the future of the franchise
I agree with u. Once I beat bowser I too lost any real interest in collecting more moons. I def enjoy Wonder more. Odyssey is great but Wonder was just more fun n more enjoyable to unlock things for me.
You shouldn't rate games based on "maybe something else could be better in the future" you should rate games based on the quality that it is now when it released.
If Super Mario Wonder is the best 2D platformer out there, then it is a 10/10 game; if you like another 2D platformer more personally, but it is worse as a game, then that is fine you can like it more and still give Mario Wonder a 10/10.
Super Mario Odyssey is a clear 10/10 game, but I like Super Mario Sunshine more. One big reason, it is just one large cohesive open world and Super Mario Odyssey is broken up into multiple smaller worlds.
Fire Emblem Engage (still my game of the year and decade) is a 10/10 game and what I like the most, but I like it equally to Fire Emblem Shadows of Valentia for different reasons and is also a 10/10 game - the game came out years before Engage which notes Engage is the better game since it surpasses the quality in the strategy game genre.
I liked Odyssey but would've preferred if the game had forced me to do more stuff in each kingdom before I could progress to the next. Or they could've made it more difficult, because the main game was over too quickly. After that it expects me to to return to the kingdoms to get more moons. Which for some reason wasn't as fun as the first time and it made me stop playing.
Of these two I'd say I preferred Odyssey. Still playing Wonder but almost done
That said, the Galaxy games on Wii are still my favourite
I think many of us growing up fell in love with Mario because of the platforming, and the sandbox Mario games are among the worst platformers in the series.
I felt Wonder was a mix of SMB3 and SMW and I enjoyed every bit of it, also I think you're comparing apples to oranges since one is a 2D platform and the other is 3D.
i’m not getting the wonder love? it feels the same to me as all the other platform mario games with just a cheesy quick side note in each level. i was let down.
right it was lowkey boring
Mario Odyssey was a fantastic game, but for me it lacks a huge key element.. replayability, which Super Mario Wonder has nailed imho. I just 100% completed it a few days ago and already want to start a new file!
I like wonder better also. Dont get me wrong i love oddessy. But at heart im more into and better at 2d games
i always prefer 3D sandbox Mario over 2D - only Mario 64, Sunshine, and Odyssey are these games - Galaxy and 3D Land/World is a different style.
Mario Sunshine is still the best Mario!!!
I am hoping Mario Wonder dethrones Super Mario World has 2D Mario King, but i am playing Mario Wonder later.
For Mario Wonder vs Mario Odyssey argument, Mario Wonder is a shorter and catered experience which makes it a lot easier and more enjoyable to replay. Super Mario Odyssey on the other hand, you will just keep playing the same save file, but not actually want to replay it from the beginning because of its sandbox nature.
Odyssey takes it for me. It's basically the Banjo-Threeie I'd been waiting for. Wonder was fun too, though.
Neither game is a masterpiece.
I didn't like Odyssey that much. Great movement, but the levels never pushed you to make the most of it. The vast majority of moons are easy and boring, and chaining hat throws and dives gets old after a while. I learned playing Odyssey that I would rather have more engaging, challenging levels over more advanced movement, like the galaxy games (and wonder) . I hope the next 3D mario follows after Bowser's Fury more than Odyssey.
Why is it even a comparison? A 3d vs a 2d mario? Both made years apart?
The risk for longer levels, you will tire out the player, and shorter levels has the player wanting more and they keep playing.
Luigi's Mansion is a completely different IP than Mario, not even a Mario spinoff.
Nah, Wonders map is leaps and bounds better than any previous Mario game, it feels like Mario World evolved
Well argued sir, but for me odyssey is a better game as I can still see the foundations of a 2D Mario game in wonder and to me odyssey evolves the 3D formula more than Wonder does the 2D formula.
I like both. Mario odyssey is awesome and Mario bros wonder is awesome. They both 9.5/10 for me
While not overly difficult in most stages bar a few, Mario Wonder does a better job balancing difficulty between new and veteran players. The moons in Odyssey were way too easy and lacked impact.
I'm on world 2 and so far I am finding the levels to be way to short.
Waluigi has a better chance at appearing in Warioware or a future Wario Land game than a Super Mario platformer
"The wonder flower effects had no repeats"
Hoppycat mario, goo mario, falling invinvibility stars, bulrush stampede, bowser's cannon fire: 😐😐😐
(Love this game btw, just clowning)
That’s true. I guess I forgot a few. It was hard to remember them all in real time as I’m just chatting away. Thanks for the reminder.
Without question the rankings are
1. Super Mario maker 2
2. Odyssey
6. Wonder
Sorry not even close
The greatest strength to Mario Wonder is no level timer.
I loved playing both mario games 😊
I love Mario odyssey, but it kind of feels hodgepodged and uncoordinated in terms of design and pacing.
Kind of like they just mixed a bunch of random ideas and baked them into some sort of odd Mario fruitcake that’s delectable at first but then hits you with a wonky aftertaste.
ohoh, you prefer wonder, now i am all hear to know your reasoning, may not be my oppinion, but im very curious
I respect your opinion dude
It’s a shame you didn’t finish Odyssey. The final Bowser battle is quite surprising and satisfying.
The last level to get to bowser is challenging in itself and feels rewarding once you get all the way up there and beat him.
They are both amazing!! But I agree Wonder is better!!!
I didn't even beat SM Odyssey. It wasn't challenging enough.