Did Ancient Romans Have Freedom of Speech?

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  • @metatronyt
    @metatronyt  Рік тому +45

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    • @Didacmmv
      @Didacmmv Рік тому +1

      FIRST!?

    • @brokeandtired
      @brokeandtired Рік тому +1

      So basically Rome did a version of modern Britain's TV program Question Time.

    • @MiguelGonzalez-nv2rt
      @MiguelGonzalez-nv2rt Рік тому +1

      @metatronyt it appears that while i was watching the video, it just automatically disliked itself I don't know why.😢 But I already fixed it and gave it a like. Sheers man from Puerto Rico.

    • @germaniatv1870
      @germaniatv1870 Рік тому

      I respect your videos. I start to like your character. Yet im here for pure history.
      🙂

    • @thorodin3631
      @thorodin3631 Рік тому +1

      I'd like to see a video of you debunking Mr ImAnIdiotep (mr imhotep).
      would be cool if you did a video about the probable race of hannibal since a black guy has been cast to play him
      further, would be cool if you did a video of the ancient aryan's. What I've seen recently is I think archeologists basically took the theory of aryan migration theory and changed the name of it to "yamnaya migration." its really the same thing. they once claimed that an ancient tribe called the aryans whom originated in the caucus region of russia/ukraine migrated out of that area, into europe, the middle east and into india. I'd be interested in your opinion of why they now call it the "yamnaya migration" instead of the older "aryan migration." Further, it would be interesting to here your thoughts on whom the ancient aryans were as opposed to whom they claim as the "yamnaya" and the historical impact that either one or both of them had.
      what I've read, well, what the older books have said anyways, is that the aryan's influenced the religion and language of all the cultures they came into contact with. for instance, some of the same deities were worshipped across europe, the middle east and india (for instance, dei is basically the same as zeus which is the same as tyr is the same as indra (or dyas pitar) in india. as well as the linguistic impact of these people. what are your thoughts on just how much culture did these ancient people impact in all the area's that they encountered. from for instance, how much of europe, the middle east and india was impacted from these ancient peoples!! also, would be interesting in tying in the various cultures whom either directly called themselves aryans (iran), or "nobles" such as in india. is there any proof of the ancient europeans called themselves something similar? if memory servers, I think some of the greeks had something similar from ancient times?!!
      Idk, I just don't see too many videos talking about this ancient tribe so it would be interesting to see your take on them!!

  • @___David__
    @___David__ Рік тому +411

    There's one aspect you didn't mention which I think it's VERY important (not just because I'm a Jurist) for people nowadays to understand a concept like "Freedom of Speech", and that is the nature of the Law.
    When nowadays we think about Freedom of Speech as a right, we do it because we are accustomed to a legal system created post-Saint Augustine. Saint Augustine postulated that there's something called "Natural Law" which is imprinted on humans on account of their humanity. That is to say, humans have certain rights that are inalienable from their condition of being human and that don't require any for of authority (like the State) to recognise them for them to exist. Freedom of Speech falls within those "natural rights".
    In Rome, however, they did NOT use the concepts of "natural law". They were what we call "positivists" which means that unless there was a Law expressly granting someone a right, that right didn't exist.
    Knowing that allows us to, therefore, infer that Rome MUST have had laws granting citizens at least a certain concept of "Freedom of Speech" which could then be limited and removed.
    'cause in the post-Augustine Era (which extended from the rise of the Catholic Church up until today), things like Freedom of Speech remain in the domain of "natural rights" that can not be simply "removed" in the same way that Romans could do it.

    • @daviddiggens8841
      @daviddiggens8841 Рік тому +42

      Thank you for saying that. I'm glad someone pointed that out and from who and where the concept of "natural rights" originated from

    • @skeletorlikespotatoes7846
      @skeletorlikespotatoes7846 Рік тому +27

      It's true that our modern concepts are hugely christianized, however Rome came close....but it wasn't consistent over the existence of it

    • @We-Wuz-Great-201
      @We-Wuz-Great-201 Рік тому +4

      What was the laws of 'Lesbos' like?

    • @OffendEveryoneImmediately
      @OffendEveryoneImmediately Рік тому +15

      A shame those poor pagans and witches didn’t get to experience natural rights for too long.

    • @rsandino
      @rsandino Рік тому +9

      Romans did believe in a certain type of Natural Law, but it was more in the realm of the Divine.

  • @Duke_of_Lorraine
    @Duke_of_Lorraine Рік тому +187

    Modern governments have an access to information that would be unthinkable to ancient or medieval rulers, as Orwell said, so their ability of controlling the people is much higher than centuries ago.
    Keep in mind that speech is a natural right, that isn't given but can be restricted. Your level of freedom of speech thus depends on the government's (or other powers) ability and willingness to restrict it.

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 Рік тому +24

      and your willingness to conform to such restrictions.

    • @Duke_of_Lorraine
      @Duke_of_Lorraine Рік тому +32

      @@windhelmguard5295 sure but by "freedom of speech" I meant that the secret police wouldn't knock on your door.

    • @murderalphabetinc.5162
      @murderalphabetinc.5162 Рік тому +4

      Well said

    • @VK-sz4it
      @VK-sz4it Рік тому

      What the hell is natural right? Addition: looked it up. It is made up idea.

    • @murderalphabetinc.5162
      @murderalphabetinc.5162 Рік тому

      @@VK-sz4it Right, because human beings are made up.

  • @conniejokesseler3642
    @conniejokesseler3642 Рік тому +20

    Wow! This is the first video of yours I've seen. A friend recommended you. I REALLY enjoyed it!! I'm a 70 yo lady from Mississippi. I had only ONE great professor of world history. You remind me of him. Loved the video! Keep it going, please!!!

    • @metatronyt
      @metatronyt  Рік тому +8

      Thank you very much madame. I appreciate your kind words. Welcome to the community

  • @fattiger6957
    @fattiger6957 Рік тому +201

    When I think of ancient Rome, I don't think their rights and freedom were quite as immutable as they usually are in modern society. I just remember all those stories about angry mobs murdering people they didn't like (like what happened to Tiberius Gracchus) or tyrannical leaders killing outspoken politicians (like Cicero)

    • @germaniatv1870
      @germaniatv1870 Рік тому +3

      The Poets and Painters.

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 Рік тому +28

      Stuff like this is still common in certain very religious countries.

    • @wisdomleader85
      @wisdomleader85 Рік тому +15

      I think I read somewhere that said Carthage actually had more freedom than Rome did.

    • @tirididjdjwieidiw1138
      @tirididjdjwieidiw1138 Рік тому +20

      @@wisdomleader85 makes sense, carthage was more trade and merchant oriented, those types of states tend to be more democratic.

    • @We-Wuz-Great-201
      @We-Wuz-Great-201 Рік тому +16

      Most of us would not have survived the trails of ancient life, especially those who fetish about it the most.

  • @MeUngaBungaButYouAreWorst
    @MeUngaBungaButYouAreWorst Рік тому +524

    Like in warhammer 40k you are free... to worship the emperor or you are free to die !!!

    • @MeUngaBungaButYouAreWorst
      @MeUngaBungaButYouAreWorst Рік тому +99

      @ZoomerStasi No.

    • @claudiostudios9002
      @claudiostudios9002 Рік тому +40

      I accept those terms

    • @spiffygonzales5160
      @spiffygonzales5160 Рік тому +5

      First Galactic Empire (in SW legends) is stronger than the Imperium of Man

    • @milton2137
      @milton2137 Рік тому +8

      Bretonnia is stronger than SW republic

    • @spiffygonzales5160
      @spiffygonzales5160 Рік тому +9

      @@milton2137
      Bretonnia lore and roster sucks :(
      The lady being an elf is okay, but her not being her own entity and making her people slave soldiers is garbage.
      Totally should be retconned. Even if she's an elf she should be her own goddess, and one who doesn't enslave her people.

  • @JamesRDavenport
    @JamesRDavenport Рік тому +37

    Yes, this is an interesting topic, please continue. It's important to illuminate how rights in the past functioned when compared with today. Perspective is a good learning experience.
    BTW, I have one of those Rings of The Noble One in silver and it is just as high quality as shown!

  • @AdamosDad
    @AdamosDad Рік тому +174

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire

    • @genesisSOC
      @genesisSOC Рік тому +39

      jews

    • @LukeTheGreat1
      @LukeTheGreat1 Рік тому +11

      good quote but voltaire was gay

    • @King.Leonidas
      @King.Leonidas Рік тому +19

      not made by Voltaire but it's right

    • @sisilotau2185
      @sisilotau2185 Рік тому +18

      ​@@genesisSOCcurrent atmosphere suggests otherwise lol

    • @AdamosDad
      @AdamosDad Рік тому

      @@King.Leonidas I found it attributed to Voltaire, perhaps I need to look further into this. 🕚🕚..oops Kevin Strom a white nationalist is the author of this quote, perhaps when people saw where this actually came from, they changed it to Voltaire to hide its origin. I shall delete it from memory.

  • @bentonmarcum8924
    @bentonmarcum8924 Рік тому +1

    Thanks! Left a comment in your pinned comments hope you respond

  • @jamesruddy9264
    @jamesruddy9264 Рік тому +35

    Yes, I would like more content like this. It can help stamp out 'presentism' if one knows how things were back then.

  • @HellbirdIV
    @HellbirdIV Рік тому +37

    I'll put my voice in for a video on "Freedom of Religion" in Ancient Rome, because I think it has an important role in understanding the place of Judaism and early Christianity in the late Republic and early Empire, which is too often only spoken of in regards to Bible stories or other Christian narratives, rather than the perspectives of the not-yet-Christian Romans themselves.

    • @nikolatomic5287
      @nikolatomic5287 Рік тому

      place for jews was to play with the lions and entertain the people

    • @njhoepner
      @njhoepner Рік тому +3

      I agree that would be a good one.

    • @ChoiceQueenxoxo
      @ChoiceQueenxoxo Рік тому +2

      Yes!

    • @old_account189
      @old_account189 Рік тому +2

      If you have interest, look up a video from *Voices from the past* channel. There is a video on Celsus and his views on the Christians.

    • @somercet1
      @somercet1 Рік тому +4

      Limited. Yes, a Hellenized Egyptian was free to worship Isis in Rome, at a home altar, but freely converting people to a new cult deprived the old, native cults of worshipers, and was banned. (Socrates, anyone?)
      No, you weren't required to worship the Roman gods, but you were required to offer respect to "Roman Zeus." A pinch of incense at an altar would do it.
      That was the hang-up over the Jews and Christians; they would not offer the pinch of incense.

  • @aleidius192
    @aleidius192 Рік тому +27

    I'm more interested in how much freedom they had in the Classical Period vs Mediaeval Period.

    • @JamesRDavenport
      @JamesRDavenport Рік тому +7

      In my own research I've found at least with the Medieval period it depends when and where you're talking about. In general though, Kings in the early Middle Ages were considered the first among equals. It would be expected his high council and the nobles of his Realm would have a say in important decisions such as going to war, taxes, feudal contracts even marriages and alliances. However a commoner couldn't just stroll up to the King or his family in public and say to his face and say he sucks. Depending on the ruler, that could get you fined, lashed, or killed.

  • @rileyernst9086
    @rileyernst9086 Рік тому +73

    In Australia there is no mention of a legally protected right for the citizen of freedom of speech either. It is something we expect to be able to do. Some idiots actually think it is legally protected in Australia, I call them idiots as they are basing this off the US's bill of rights not something we have here.

    • @shegocrazy
      @shegocrazy Рік тому +27

      It's not in the Constitution but the High Court has upheld the concept. A lot of Aussies seem to get confused by imagining that American laws apply to them, and a lot of Americans also think that their laws are universal.

    • @rileyernst9086
      @rileyernst9086 Рік тому +6

      Yeah, it's by definition taken for granted. But I don't think that it means we should not write it down LOL. My favorite part is when other Aussies bring up the constitution assuming its like the US one. Which for anyone wondering it's not. Imagine if you have a handful of governors and they have to put together a new nation and all want to keep their jobs, and smoko is in like 10 minutes.
      What would the world be if no Americans thought their rights were universal and God given?

    • @als3022
      @als3022 Рік тому +9

      If Australians want to borrow my cocked hat and musket, we understand.

    • @RB-sh4lo
      @RB-sh4lo Рік тому

      It's about to be gone.
      The Labor Party (major leftwing party) is pushing a "misinformation" bill because they are sour that they lost our recent referendum (vote to change the constitution).

    • @benoithudson7235
      @benoithudson7235 Рік тому +8

      We had a case in Canada recently where the accused was blabbing on about his first amendment rights (and refusing to have a lawyer, of course). The judge was not particularly amused.

  • @ChristinaDiCali
    @ChristinaDiCali Рік тому +6

    Around Veteran's Day, I saw a documentary on PBS called To Be of Service, about the service dogs who help vets with their PTSD. And in the doc, there was the reappearing image of a partially damaged Roman bronze, called Warrior. So, my video suggestion is on how the Ancient and Medieval warriors dealt with their PTSD.

    • @Carolinez-d8f
      @Carolinez-d8f 10 місяців тому +2

      Never would have thought of that-great idea!

  • @tauneeskye3802
    @tauneeskye3802 Рік тому +14

    Oh I LOVED this video!! Yes please do more content like this. It’s fascinating to hear exactly HOW life was different in past eras and different cultures. What was *their* norm as opposed to ours now. Five stars!!

  • @Abcadeaz
    @Abcadeaz Рік тому +39

    I would like to see more freedoms related content, I would also be curious about how Greece and Egypt were at the time. China (pre mao) would be great too. Lots of content to make 😅

    • @ordinaryrat
      @ordinaryrat Рік тому +5

      Greece had freedom of speech probably similiar to Rome. I mean people like Socrates said very controversial stuff and at points question the leaders. Don't know anything about Egypt. Probably not many restrictions.
      You also can't say pre mao. There were like 50 dynasties with unique policies before mao

    • @badlaamaurukehu
      @badlaamaurukehu Рік тому +2

      Rome had periodic episodes of riots and civil strife.

    • @Dario-uj6qo
      @Dario-uj6qo Рік тому +3

      ​@@ordinaryratSocrates was killed because of it, bad example

    • @ordinaryrat
      @ordinaryrat Рік тому +2

      @@Dario-uj6qo Poisened by the public which is crucial, not poisened by a government guy

    • @Dario-uj6qo
      @Dario-uj6qo Рік тому

      @@ordinaryrat I don't think it makes it different

  • @veronicatash777
    @veronicatash777 Рік тому +13

    Yes, this is something I would like to hear more about. Specifics of Roman governance would be great. I'd also love to hear some examples of the "impossibilium nulla obligatio" defense if you're able to enlighten on that. After reading that it existed in one of those Barnes and Noble giant books of shallow information, I have been tempted to repeatedly run a particular stop sign to make that defense because on the very same post, right below, it states "no stopping, standing, or parking." I can't possibly both stop and not stop.

  • @danielefabbro822
    @danielefabbro822 Рік тому +33

    Se posso chiedere, per un prossimo video, si potrebbe parlare del Mos Maiorum?
    Dalla sua storia all'insieme dei concetti che riuniva ed al suo significato nella società Romana fino al suo ruolo nella creazione sia della giurisdiprudenza mlderna che nella formazione della morale moderna.
    Sarebbe un argomento interessante da affrontare.

  • @Observer29830
    @Observer29830 Рік тому +17

    This is a great and enlightening video. I'd love to hear more about how Roman legal and political structures were!

  • @MiaobuMiao
    @MiaobuMiao Рік тому +4

    Very detailed and informative. I need more like this, brother.

  • @josephnardone1250
    @josephnardone1250 Рік тому +1

    Thanks! A suggestion for a future video. Roman law was considered in the ancient world to be the most fair and just law. In my reading of ancient history, I've read that many times. May be you could do a video on that?

  • @popebiscuit3443
    @popebiscuit3443 Рік тому +1

    Make more like this please, I really enjoyed it.

  • @gjcarpe
    @gjcarpe Рік тому +3

    Great video, please do more of these.

  • @johnrusche8256
    @johnrusche8256 9 місяців тому

    As a 75 year old German/Appalachian American male from Cincinnati who is mainly Catholic, I consider you to be the best program on UA-cam. Keep up the great work!

  • @leagreenall5972
    @leagreenall5972 Рік тому +3

    Definitely more videos please. Love this intellectual discourse of history :)

  • @thedankfrenchmantdf7505
    @thedankfrenchmantdf7505 Рік тому +1

    Super cool ring by the way mate, just ordered one, glad to support the channel financially when it means awesome items like this!

  • @alanmichaelbourdon
    @alanmichaelbourdon Рік тому +12

    Very enjoyable video sir, I did indeed enjoy it and would enjoy watching a vid on the Romans attitudes towards the so-called Pagan sects and how it may have changed from Republican to Imperial Rome.

  • @MadamoftheCatHouse
    @MadamoftheCatHouse Рік тому +8

    I don't think any society ever has complete freedom of speech. It's a great abstract concept with the emphasis on abstract. In reality there is always a number of topics/subjects a given group avoids talking about, sometimes without even consiously realising it.

    • @abstract5249
      @abstract5249 Рік тому +2

      Obviously. But it would still be wrong to equivocate North Korea and the United States.
      Rome, as far as I can tell, didn't grant freedom of speech as a right, but it kinda sorta tolerated it to the extent that the Romans didn't send the secret police to your house unless you made a ruckus. Basically, you could question stuff in private among a small group of family or friends, but don't go around broadcasting your criticism to large groups of people (not even in your own home).

  • @wolfbane7497
    @wolfbane7497 Рік тому +12

    Freedom of speech in ancient Rome
    Basically don't say anything bad about Rome don't associate yourself with another country and call itself greater than rome.

    • @fattiger6957
      @fattiger6957 Рік тому +1

      A lot of Romans were Greece fanboys.

    • @wolfbane7497
      @wolfbane7497 Рік тому

      @@fattiger6957 shhhhh shhhhh don't say that out loud people will call you a heretic

  • @TheRMD2
    @TheRMD2 Рік тому +2

    I really enjoyed that rabbit hole. More please!! 😘

  • @Artwolf007
    @Artwolf007 Рік тому +14

    This just makes me glad we live in times where we can clown on politicians and high society members that act like clowns as much as we please.

    • @mystictomato9466
      @mystictomato9466 Рік тому +4

      Politicians are marionettes who are out there for the very purpose of people clowning on them. Their intended role is to divert attention from people who are actually in character, people who you are not allowed to clown on and criticize. Most people who are actually in charge are not very famous and they rule by very covert means. People who openly criticized the right people did not go well. To learn who rules over you, first you need to find out who you are not allowed to criticize. The rulers have not changed much from the ancient days, they are just much more covert and cunning instead of being open.

    • @henkhenkste6076
      @henkhenkste6076 Рік тому

      uhh you cant fully

    • @animeXcaso
      @animeXcaso Рік тому

      ​@@mystictomato9466 nazi whistleblow 😅

    • @animeXcaso
      @animeXcaso Рік тому

      ​@@henkhenkste6076
      guess where you can get 7 years jail for holding a full blank paper

  • @arkheavyindutries
    @arkheavyindutries Рік тому +1

    I love how the answer is not straight forward and we learn so much in the way

  • @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj
    @TheHoneyBadger-yh5vj Рік тому +3

    I love and deeply admire your work. With respect from Croatia-Europe ❤ God bless you Metatron ❤😊😊😊

  • @TheVideoNorm
    @TheVideoNorm Рік тому +1

    Bravo! Great video.

  • @teresamerkel7161
    @teresamerkel7161 Рік тому +8

    The history of human rights as we understand them is a fascinating study in itself. I'm sure history is replete with ups and downs of all of them. Freedoms in the citizenry is after all a burr in the saddle of any government.

    • @animeXcaso
      @animeXcaso Рік тому

      Modern society is the biggest experiment of individual self-affirmation ever made - Alessandro Barbero

  • @duroshebanja6810
    @duroshebanja6810 Рік тому +1

    As always an excellent & informative video. Yes there are of us who’d like to see more on the topic.

  • @jl696
    @jl696 Рік тому +36

    In my opinion, Romans during the Republic, had a measure of Freedom of Speech. Of course, there were social repercussions if the "wrong things" were said. I think this freedom of speech was severely curtailed during the Principate and even more so during the Dominate. This freedom of speech during Antiquity is quite different from that which is Constitutionally protected today. However, even today, there are social repercussions for saying unpopular things. Just look at "cancel culture" today. I believe this is one of the most important issues facing us today.

    • @Blisterdude123
      @Blisterdude123 Рік тому +3

      There was always an outlet though, in the form of Rome's famous graffiti. Vox populi could be quite deafening, for certain Roman leaders, going by what we've seen scrawled onto the walls of building in many cities.

    • @willnitschke
      @willnitschke Рік тому +4

      If you have to qualify freedom of speech by adding 'a measure' to the concept then it's less confusing to admit they didn't have freedom speech but it wasn't a 1984 scenario either.

    • @wedgeantilles8575
      @wedgeantilles8575 Рік тому

      Yeah, freedom of speech is a very fragile thing.
      Sure, today I won't be sent to prison or into a gulag if I say the wrong thing (well, most of the time). But if your social standing gets destroyed, if your economic basis gets destroyed, if you loose your job - well, that's more than enough to shut people up.
      You don't need to kill somebody to threaten him into silence. It is enough to ruin his life.
      So in essence, we have NO freedom of speech today.

    • @muntuku
      @muntuku Рік тому +1

      Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence.

    • @wedgeantilles8575
      @wedgeantilles8575 Рік тому

      @@muntuku Great, then Jews had freedom of religion in the Third Reich too.
      There was no law that forbid you to be Jew.
      Sure, you were killed - but hey, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from consequences, according to you.
      If you do not have freedom of consequences, you do not have freedom of anything.
      How pathetic that there are always some idiots you do not grasp this truth.

  • @stephenjackson4968
    @stephenjackson4968 Рік тому +2

    This was very interesting. It's not a topic that I see covered very often.
    The conclusion was pretty much what I expected, but I didn't know that it was custom for a general to be mocked, as well as celebrated, during a triumph.
    Thank you.

  • @IIImobiusIII
    @IIImobiusIII Рік тому +4

    Very interesting. Roman history never fails to intrigue.

  • @TheBigGuy-Zero8874
    @TheBigGuy-Zero8874 Рік тому +2

    That was quite interesting. I didn't know about the Censor Officials. Thank you

  • @chrismerryman8512
    @chrismerryman8512 Рік тому +5

    Very interesting. So, yes and no, would be the answer. With many variables. I wouldn't mind seeing videos on the other topics you mentioned. Though I think I can guess the answer. Sure. Make this a series. Ancient Roman rights compared to modern rights. Sounds interesting.

  • @carltruffi3796
    @carltruffi3796 Рік тому +2

    I love this type of content and your analysis of religion. Big fan of all your content but these two are my favorites. Thank you

  • @johnswansen192
    @johnswansen192 Рік тому +3

    I am interested in freedom of Religion. Thanks for your videos they are interesting. ❤

  • @ShagShaggio
    @ShagShaggio Рік тому +1

    I would love to hear more about Roman laws and such.
    Great video!
    Cheers!

  • @pv6212
    @pv6212 Рік тому +4

    Great video, Sir! Makes me appreciate our Constitution and Bill of Rights all the more.........especially the First and Second Amendments!

  • @Xardas131
    @Xardas131 Рік тому +1

    This was a wonderful topic, please more!

  • @baronvonboomboom4349
    @baronvonboomboom4349 Рік тому +10

    Very interesting video. I wonder how would they go about regaining their right to free speech or if once you lose it that you can't get it back. Almost analogous to the social credit score.

    • @rileyernst9086
      @rileyernst9086 Рік тому +2

      You can get it back. It's called blood and iron.

  • @tsentenari4353
    @tsentenari4353 Рік тому

    I'm glad you're back to making videos where I actually get to learn something
    (as opposed to videos where you point your finger at people who are talking bs)

  • @manfredconnor3194
    @manfredconnor3194 Рік тому +13

    Thanks for this.
    Yes, what about freedom of religion? We know that it was not allowed for a while in the case of Christians. When Constantine converted to Christianity (My understanding is that this did not happen at the battle of the Milvian Bridge as many of us were originally taught, because there is no sign of this on his victory column and it appears that he only attempted to blend the persona of Apollo and Jesus into his own persona after some of the soldiers started becoming Christian cultists. I guess, he saw which way the crowd was moving and there were two groups going in two directions, but the directions were not so far apart, so he tried to run out in front of them and say, "Yeah, that's me." in both cases?) I am curious if worshiping the Roman pantheon of Gods then became illegal after Constantine's conversion or were you still able to worship both the Christian God + Jesus and the Roman Pantheon for a while. When did the Roman pantheon start to fade?
    Also, what about the Greek Pantheon? Was it basically just relabeled by the Romans? How did the Greeks take that. I mean, they were conquered right? So I imagine that it took a long time for the transformation/relabeling of the Greek Gods or is that not what happened at all? Did some Greeks continue to worship the old Greek pantheon? Were there punishments for that? Could you be stoned to death or whatever for calling Mars Ares after, like some established cut off date or did things just slowly blend generation after generation?
    Sorry. Never learned this in History class and I do not have time to read 20 books to find out which one is correct, right now.

    • @caroleschroll1438
      @caroleschroll1438 Рік тому +3

      I would like to hear more about this as well.

    • @wedgeantilles8575
      @wedgeantilles8575 Рік тому +2

      In general, it was very liberal back then.
      More or less, nobody cared which deity you prayed to - or if you prayed at all.
      Sure, you could not go to the forum and claim that Jupiter did not exists or that you spit on him or stuff like that. But what you did in private, nobody cared (most of the time).
      But the point of a polytheism religion is, that there are a lot of gods. That's why nobody takes an issue if you have yet another god.
      It was widely accepted, that there were gods that had a different name in other areas of the world.
      Monotheism ruined this - because no monotehistic religion that takes itself seriously can accept the idea of another god. Because by definition there is only one god. And if you accept the idea of somebody praying to another god, you automatically admit that either the other person is praying to a false god - or that your own god is false.
      And that is - by definition - unacceptable to such religions. These religions can't be tolerant to other believes.
      I liked the Book: "Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World" by Tim Whitmarsh.

    • @manfredconnor3194
      @manfredconnor3194 Рік тому +1

      @@wedgeantilles8575 Except for the fact, that they were executing Christians and putting them in the colossium to fight lions, etc. right? What about the Carthoginian or Egyptian gods? Ok, to worship them too? Are you sure?

    • @Chuck_EL
      @Chuck_EL Рік тому

      ​@@manfredconnor3194
      Another Christian who acts like because he killed Christians, he was wrong ...screw the kids he had murdered who werent Romans thou

    • @AusSP
      @AusSP Рік тому +2

      @@wedgeantilles8575 But even so, the gods of other religions could be diminished. The conquest of Egypt led to the Egyptian gods getting redefined as Roman ones, in order to diminish the foreign, and promote the Roman.

  • @serviustullus7204
    @serviustullus7204 Рік тому +1

    Good photos. Interesting.

  • @TaraConti
    @TaraConti Рік тому +8

    I was just wondering your opinion. At what point in the Roman Empire do you think was the best era to live?
    (I apologize if you’ve already answered this question in the past.)

    • @Adsper2000
      @Adsper2000 Рік тому

      Objectively the Flavian and Antonine Dynasties. Takes place after the insanity of the Julio-Claudians, and before the chaos of the Crisis of the Third Century.

  • @mpalfadel2008
    @mpalfadel2008 Рік тому +1

    Great intro Metatron
    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family

  • @elfiurer
    @elfiurer Рік тому +7

    I once read that a drunkard insulted Julius Caesar, and that instead of feeding him to the lions, he gave him a gift, which was an entire town.

    • @mattelder1971
      @mattelder1971 Рік тому +5

      Caesar probably figured that if the guy had the balls to insult him, that guy must be a badass and probably deserved it. They probably became good friends.

    • @elfiurer
      @elfiurer Рік тому

      @@mattelder1971 Good explanation.

  • @jdredd8152
    @jdredd8152 Рік тому

    One can learn so much with this channel. Thank you for what you do.

  • @WKogut
    @WKogut Рік тому +9

    There is always freedom of speech, but not always freedom AFTER speech

  • @Telenil
    @Telenil Рік тому +2

    Very interesting! To be honest I enjoy this type of video a lot more than "debunking".

  • @rftulak
    @rftulak Рік тому +9

    You Sir, are great relief from political correctness. Truth allows us to properly perceive our true position in history and reality. I was reviewing the moral standards of the Roman soldiers (Auctoritas, Comitas, Clementia, Dignitas, Firmitas, Frugalitas, Gravitas, Honestas, Humanitas, Industria, Pietas, Prudentia, Salubritas, Severitas, Veritas) I was considering that this might be modern day Romanticizing rather than truth. Who else to ask but YOU. Thank you for your time and all you do.

  • @Goldenspiderducck
    @Goldenspiderducck Рік тому

    Wonderful video! I’d love to see more like this!

  • @RukuRyukami
    @RukuRyukami Рік тому +3

    thank you
    this was interesting, we have something similar in Australia, we have a federal law making it illegal to lie on the record as a federally elected official, that's both state, county & senators. its quite easy to bring the evidence up & challenge someone's statement or challenge them to prove it, fail to concede & lose your position in government. concede & apologise on the record in person
    it derives from a anti slander law in the chambers to prevent petty squabbles from going to far but it affectively works as a reality check on the official record.

  • @acommenterhere1000
    @acommenterhere1000 Рік тому

    Keep making more videos on this subject

  • @SergioLeonardoCornejo
    @SergioLeonardoCornejo Рік тому +15

    On paper, not. In practice, more than almost any country where the government got big lately.

  • @hairyjohnson2597
    @hairyjohnson2597 Рік тому +1

    No better way to top off this Thanksgiving than "new upload by metatron" happy Thanksgiving metatron to you and your family! Also, to all the fellow fans!

  • @gaiustacitus4242
    @gaiustacitus4242 Рік тому +3

    Is it all that much different today? We do not truly have freedom of speech. Even daring to debate certain false claims will result in mandatory imprisonment in many of our Western countries.
    Within the United States of America people are arrested every day for "hate speech" crimes. In many cases, the "hate speech" is nothing other than irrefutable facts which hurt the feelings of those who suffer from a peculiar mental illness. Once convicted of hate speech, many other rights of a citizen are permanently revoked or impaired.

    • @Adsper2000
      @Adsper2000 Рік тому

      That’s a bald-faced lie. Hate speech is not an arrestable crime in the United States.

  • @haydencrawford8552
    @haydencrawford8552 Рік тому +1

    It is quite interesting if you read the meditations, because you'll find that despite being the emperor of the known world, he was a down to earth guy.
    In the meditations, he encourages freedom of speech and criticism and tells rulers to take it calmly and rationally.
    I loved reading the meditations.

  • @LukeTheGreat1
    @LukeTheGreat1 Рік тому +4

    Trojan, nero, diocletian and galerius: NO!

  • @joseluisnd75
    @joseluisnd75 Рік тому

    A very interesting topic pal, please continue the series

  • @tomhalla426
    @tomhalla426 Рік тому +7

    The US has had abuses of free speech, from Woodrow Wilson’s suppression of any disagreement over WWI policy, to the Biden v Missouri social media suppression cases. The issue is how much public support the politicians can raise for their abuse of their opponents.

  • @NoSageMeadow
    @NoSageMeadow Рік тому +1

    This was a really fascinating video, and I like this kind of content more than the responding to dumb ideas stuff. I like that stuff, too, but it should be more like a treat, in my opinion. This kind of video is the meat.

  • @theuniverse5173
    @theuniverse5173 Рік тому +3

    Hello noble ones

  • @wadejustanamerican1201
    @wadejustanamerican1201 Рік тому +1

    Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

  • @ktheterkuceder6825
    @ktheterkuceder6825 Рік тому +3

    Fun fact. Rome and Greece the founders of "western" civilization are on the eastern hemisphere. Greece is even closer to the east and has some oriental feeling to it.

    • @nss309
      @nss309 Рік тому

      How?

    • @ktheterkuceder6825
      @ktheterkuceder6825 Рік тому

      @@nss309 just go to greece and you will see.

    • @Duke_of_Lorraine
      @Duke_of_Lorraine Рік тому +4

      @@nss309 the eastern hemisphere is everything east of Greenwich.

    • @seamussc
      @seamussc Рік тому +11

      Eastern/Western Hemispheres are an arbitrary designation made by an English astronomer in the mid 1800s to promote the Royal Observatory in Greenwhich, England by having the Prime Meridian pass through it. It's a celebration of British vanity by putting it in the center.

    • @ktheterkuceder6825
      @ktheterkuceder6825 Рік тому

      @@Duke_of_Lorraine Keep telling yourself that.

  • @maxpasko8279
    @maxpasko8279 Рік тому

    Greetings, sire. A great video, with the points addressed possessing relevancy and sound sense. The structure is also superb. Really interested in the following videos of the series. Thanks!

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  • @brittanybrown1937
    @brittanybrown1937 11 місяців тому

    I would definitely love more content like this!

  • @theamericannestormakhno2360
    @theamericannestormakhno2360 Рік тому +6

    We don't really have freedom of speech today and we also don't truly have the right to bare arms. Throughout all of history freedom has kinda been shat on

    • @Mr.Witness
      @Mr.Witness Рік тому

      Cap

    • @theamericannestormakhno2360
      @theamericannestormakhno2360 Рік тому

      @@Mr.Witness cap?

    • @kertagin1
      @kertagin1 Рік тому +2

      @@Luna-dh6yt do you support Hamas or Palestine because they are separate entities. but why would you support them at all?
      I ask because I would like to understand your reasons.
      that said the net is full of pro Palestine protests and riotous protesters on the street so can't agree you are being censored

    • @jeffzeiler346
      @jeffzeiler346 Рік тому

      i am neither prevented from baring my arms, nor bearing arms. Neither am I prevented from free speech. If go about with bare arms just now, I may get very cold. freedom to act is in no way freedom from consequence. Freedom is in no way an unlimited license for behavior without cost or effect. It is merely the license to act - within a framework that grants the same to others.

    • @litigioussociety4249
      @litigioussociety4249 Рік тому +2

      All the government does is infringe upon rights. They all start with infringing upon self-ownership from which private property rights are derived by extortion people for taxes. For example, America started with taxes on importing and exporting things, then added specific sales taxes, then added income taxes, repealed the income taxes for a while, added licensing, fees, tolls, and then added income tax again. Then they devalued the currency, the greatest form of theft, which has essentially resulted in them stealing about 96-98 cents of every dollar that is in circulation (one dollar now buys 1/25 of an ounce of silver, and that's likely suppressed.)
      Government is literally the largest protection racket in the world, and they don't even do a good job of protecting their own assets.

  • @papalol1327
    @papalol1327 Рік тому +1

    Muy interesante Metraton. Gran vídeo!

  • @yuriklaver4639
    @yuriklaver4639 Місяць тому

    Well done! And very informative.

  • @bwadarkon
    @bwadarkon Рік тому

    This was a great video, hope you make more like this!

  • @luffydmonkey87
    @luffydmonkey87 Рік тому

    Thank you very much for your video. Very interesting topic to discover :).

  • @thewolf9816
    @thewolf9816 Рік тому

    Really happy i found your channel. Always entertaining

  • @britishbanananugget3723
    @britishbanananugget3723 Рік тому +1

    This is a great video!

  • @nazarnovitsky9868
    @nazarnovitsky9868 Рік тому

    Thank You very much for this new video !! 😊 👍🏻

  • @dennisquaid6509
    @dennisquaid6509 Рік тому

    Great video as always

  • @DieLuftwaffel
    @DieLuftwaffel Рік тому

    Great topic, thanks!

  • @christal2641
    @christal2641 Рік тому +1

    "Ancient Rome" refers to a very long period of time. Normally, the first response in scholarly discourse is to acknowledge that your opening question is not answerable as presented.
    You then beautifully articulated the many variables.
    I love your presentations; they bring me back to my days at U of Chicago.

  • @t2av159
    @t2av159 Рік тому

    Interesting video. thanks !

  • @markwynne725
    @markwynne725 Рік тому +2

    A fascinating and enlightening video, thank you!
    I do like discussing Roman culture and law like this and hope you do more of it. Of course, the Roman civilisation lasted a long time and so changed a lot. Free speech in the middle republic is a completely different consideration to in the reign of Tiberius etc.
    I would like a discussion on religious freedoms in Rome. I think there is a disconnect between Rome's willingness to adopt foerign gods and their persecution of Christians (I've read that it was to do with the concept of Christians denying the Emperor's numa but would like a more researched opinion).

  • @katrinabromley5129
    @katrinabromley5129 Рік тому +1

    I would enjoy a video concerning additional freedoms expressed in the Roman Empire. In particular, freedom for religious practice and freedom from religious persecution. Thank you.

  • @bgwe1393
    @bgwe1393 Рік тому

    Very interesting topic, thank you. And yes please - more like this :)

  • @stax6092
    @stax6092 Рік тому

    Yes, I for one would like you to dive in on the other topics you mentioned at the end.

  • @scottstata5076
    @scottstata5076 Рік тому

    Definitely like this type of video, would enjoy seeing more

  • @I_Love_Learning
    @I_Love_Learning Рік тому +1

    I would love more videos on other modern day rights in Rome!

  • @Cato229
    @Cato229 Рік тому

    Love this stuff!

  • @brightmal
    @brightmal Рік тому +1

    As someone who vastly prefers the study of the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire, I really like this deep dive into the Republic.

  • @john_smithchiropractor3931
    @john_smithchiropractor3931 Рік тому

    Yes please, more. Thank you!

  • @mattclements1348
    @mattclements1348 11 місяців тому

    Outstanding video

  • @williamhall3043
    @williamhall3043 Рік тому +1

    Cool to see y’all put the standard prices up meaning even with the sales they’re more expensive then when they came out, that sucks

  • @unbreakable7633
    @unbreakable7633 Рік тому +2

    Human nature never changes. Neither does the nature of government.

  • @geoffpool7476
    @geoffpool7476 Рік тому

    Great Video! I would love to see a video on Freedom of Religiion in the Roman Empire.

  • @nataliamundell6266
    @nataliamundell6266 Рік тому

    That was very interesting thank you