There's a currently in progress shopping centre where I live which has a nigh identical lift setup according to its development application; smaller passenger lifts for all floors (there's an office building above), and one trolley/goods lift that only serves a carpark and retail floor. It's not quite complete enough that there's lifts in yet (in fact, the project has been notably delayed many times), but eventually.
They had different fixtures originally, it used to be KSS520 but probably quite recently they replaced the fixtures and gave the lifts a facelift by the looks of things. Also the capacity plate reminds me of later KSS140 so probably within the last 5 years those fixtures got replaced. Nice lifts and video! I will definitely say the passenger lift is better because of the improved speed. But the goods lift has ADO by the looks of it.
Correct, the fixtures have been replaced at some point. I myself remember them being glass, contrary to what cityplanner's video shows. Very odd. I bet it was done quite recently too. Small lift is a lot faster, especially when going from top to bottom (see end of video for a comparison)! The big lift does have ADO (and another special feature that no one has noticed yet), but it still can't beat the speed of the small lift! Thanks for watching!
Nice video nice you have your older into again I really like it I also went to theese when I was in Maidenhead theese are very nice did you. Did you to to the Mitsubishis on the other side of the car park?
I might start using my older intro for non voiceover videos - if I have any. I'll see what I can do. I did see the Mitsubishi lifts and I did film them, but the footage was not up to my standards. Need to retake. Thanks for watching!
unless the goods lift was specifically a goods lift at one point but then converted to being open for passengers due to demand i'd say the only possible reason for big lift little lift is the big lift is more for use by customers with trolleys, with the various extra panels on the walls to stop trolleys causing damage to the main walls themselves. As for the speed differential thats down to the capacity, it sounds like they both use MX20 (and even the smaller lift couldn't have anything lower spec looking at the capacity and speed), so the big one can't go as fast due to the increased capacity, might even be a different roping to enable the increased capacity to be possible. very odd setup
I initially thought that - but what for? The lift serves the car park floors and store level - nowhere near any goods entrances or the loading bay. I can see it being a former trolley lift - but this seems unlikely to me - surely they didn't think that one passenger lift would be good enough for 7 floors of car park?! I see what you mean about the roping - perhaps roping the lift in the different ways acts like a lift gearbox, slowing the lift down a little but providing more torque? Would love to learn more about this. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video and lifts! What fixture line did these have originally, by the way? I can't really imagine a 2006 MonoSpace being installed with KSS-140; iirc KSS-140 was first launched in 2010.
Nor could I - hence the (!) in the title! These used to have the same fixtures as the lift at Debenhams Slough, not sure what the fixtures are called though. If you like, you can see a video of the original lifts by following the link in the description. Thanks for watching!
@@MichalM XD Ah yes Debenhams Slough, I believe that had KSS-520. I was expecting 570 tbh; that seems to be what most supermarket MonoSpaces of this era and spec were going for.
@@LIFTEXCELSIOROfficial Rings a bell, 520. I'm sure I rode these lifts when I was little - but I swear it was a glass lift. Perhaps I'm thinking of the wrong place...
The goods lift may well have been designed for use as a trolley lift? It's likely that the goods lift has the same motor as the passenger lift (MX20?) but set up in a 4:1 configuration so that the motor can take an increased load. Again this is just a guess but I have seen lifts configured in this way before.
I thought this as well - but surely they didn't think that one passenger lift would be enough for 7 floors of car park?! Especially with Hines Meadow Car Park - people going to Sainsbury's are likely to take the more direct route to the store via these lifts, rather than using the lifts at the opposite end of the car park. Would love to learn more about this roping stuff - perhaps something I will explore in the future. Thanks for watching!
@@MichalM No worries! Maybe they intended for it to be used as a passenger lift, but then put into priority service for trollies? Either way an interesting setup and a great video!
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@@MichalM same set up when the shop went under a major refurbishment. one lift is guests other is cargo both the same as these i would imagine both are now guest lifts but there was also travellators so they where mainly used by buggy's and wheelchairs
@@deanp7577 I would imagine that the big lift was originally designed to be a trolley lift. However, due to the appalling levelling in the right hand lift, it was necessary to make the left hand lift a passenger lift to cope with demand. This is my best guess.
Why are the Sainsbury’s Providence Place lifts breaking down so often? Both lifts were out of action last Monday, causing problems for people with disabilities who can’t use the escalators.
This is not Sainsbury's Providence Place... Edit: You're right - this is Providence Place. I have never heard anyone use this name to describe the area in which this Sainsbury's resides. I have no idea - but generally, the cause of a lift fault can be detected in advance by listening to the sound the lift makes. If the lift sounds different to its former self, it could indicate a problem.
The Wythenshawe ones sound worse to me! Obviously they're battered because they're in a Sainsbury's store, but I'm not sure that they're worse than the Wythenshawe ones... Thanks for watching!
@@MichalM Was there last week as it’s a local store for me and the middle lift is falling to pieces COP on all 3 are now taped together but middles tape broke. They need a proper mod job right lift is temperamental as ever still.
@@TheUKTransportCollection Oh right, didn't realise! I think one thing is needed, just one thing - which will sort out all the lifts - it's called a good engineer who does proper maintenance!
Amazing Kones! Amazing video! The fixtures have definitely been changed once. Looks like it used to be KSS520.
I am useless at KONE Fixtures. Will look at the chart and then get back to you.
There's a currently in progress shopping centre where I live which has a nigh identical lift setup according to its development application; smaller passenger lifts for all floors (there's an office building above), and one trolley/goods lift that only serves a carpark and retail floor. It's not quite complete enough that there's lifts in yet (in fact, the project has been notably delayed many times), but eventually.
They had different fixtures originally, it used to be KSS520 but probably quite recently they replaced the fixtures and gave the lifts a facelift by the looks of things. Also the capacity plate reminds me of later KSS140 so probably within the last 5 years those fixtures got replaced. Nice lifts and video! I will definitely say the passenger lift is better because of the improved speed. But the goods lift has ADO by the looks of it.
Correct, the fixtures have been replaced at some point. I myself remember them being glass, contrary to what cityplanner's video shows. Very odd. I bet it was done quite recently too.
Small lift is a lot faster, especially when going from top to bottom (see end of video for a comparison)! The big lift does have ADO (and another special feature that no one has noticed yet), but it still can't beat the speed of the small lift!
Thanks for watching!
Nice video nice you have your older into again I really like it
I also went to theese when I was in Maidenhead theese are very nice did you.
Did you to to the Mitsubishis on the other side of the car park?
I might start using my older intro for non voiceover videos - if I have any. I'll see what I can do.
I did see the Mitsubishi lifts and I did film them, but the footage was not up to my standards. Need to retake.
Thanks for watching!
unless the goods lift was specifically a goods lift at one point but then converted to being open for passengers due to demand i'd say the only possible reason for big lift little lift is the big lift is more for use by customers with trolleys, with the various extra panels on the walls to stop trolleys causing damage to the main walls themselves. As for the speed differential thats down to the capacity, it sounds like they both use MX20 (and even the smaller lift couldn't have anything lower spec looking at the capacity and speed), so the big one can't go as fast due to the increased capacity, might even be a different roping to enable the increased capacity to be possible. very odd setup
I initially thought that - but what for? The lift serves the car park floors and store level - nowhere near any goods entrances or the loading bay. I can see it being a former trolley lift - but this seems unlikely to me - surely they didn't think that one passenger lift would be good enough for 7 floors of car park?!
I see what you mean about the roping - perhaps roping the lift in the different ways acts like a lift gearbox, slowing the lift down a little but providing more torque?
Would love to learn more about this.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video and lifts! What fixture line did these have originally, by the way? I can't really imagine a 2006 MonoSpace being installed with KSS-140; iirc KSS-140 was first launched in 2010.
Nor could I - hence the (!) in the title!
These used to have the same fixtures as the lift at Debenhams Slough, not sure what the fixtures are called though. If you like, you can see a video of the original lifts by following the link in the description.
Thanks for watching!
@@MichalM XD Ah yes Debenhams Slough, I believe that had KSS-520. I was expecting 570 tbh; that seems to be what most supermarket MonoSpaces of this era and spec were going for.
@@LIFTEXCELSIOROfficial Rings a bell, 520. I'm sure I rode these lifts when I was little - but I swear it was a glass lift. Perhaps I'm thinking of the wrong place...
The goods lift may well have been designed for use as a trolley lift?
It's likely that the goods lift has the same motor as the passenger lift (MX20?) but set up in a 4:1 configuration so that the motor can take an increased load. Again this is just a guess but I have seen lifts configured in this way before.
I thought this as well - but surely they didn't think that one passenger lift would be enough for 7 floors of car park?! Especially with Hines Meadow Car Park - people going to Sainsbury's are likely to take the more direct route to the store via these lifts, rather than using the lifts at the opposite end of the car park.
Would love to learn more about this roping stuff - perhaps something I will explore in the future.
Thanks for watching!
@@MichalM No worries! Maybe they intended for it to be used as a passenger lift, but then put into priority service for trollies?
Either way an interesting setup and a great video!
@@battytec Interesting point, maybe.
Nice Video! Enjoyed It
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
Whats the intro music called?
I'll get back to you on that one.
Please note that I have also received your 2nd comment. I have deleted it as it asks the same question as this one. I'm still unsure as to the song name, apologies.
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Same lifts that where installed in a sainsburys in my town
Oh really? Same setup, or just the same manufacturer?
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@@MichalM same set up when the shop went under a major refurbishment. one lift is guests other is cargo both the same as these i would imagine both are now guest lifts but there was also travellators so they where mainly used by buggy's and wheelchairs
@@robloxfan4271 Very interesting info!
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Why would they put a big and a small lift?
@@deanp7577 I would imagine that the big lift was originally designed to be a trolley lift. However, due to the appalling levelling in the right hand lift, it was necessary to make the left hand lift a passenger lift to cope with demand.
This is my best guess.
Oh I see
Why are the Sainsbury’s Providence Place lifts breaking down so often? Both lifts were out of action last Monday, causing problems for people with disabilities who can’t use the escalators.
This is not Sainsbury's Providence Place...
Edit: You're right - this is Providence Place. I have never heard anyone use this name to describe the area in which this Sainsbury's resides.
I have no idea - but generally, the cause of a lift fault can be detected in advance by listening to the sound the lift makes. If the lift sounds different to its former self, it could indicate a problem.
The bigger lifts doors sound as bad as Asda Wythenshawes 2007 Kones those are in very bad condition though all round.
The Wythenshawe ones sound worse to me! Obviously they're battered because they're in a Sainsbury's store, but I'm not sure that they're worse than the Wythenshawe ones...
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@@MichalM I meant to say Wythenshawe ones are worse just the doors sound bad on the big lift. Don’t think I was awake properly when typing😂
@@TheUKTransportCollection Oh right, yes these doors don't sound great. When are you filming Wythenshawe again?
@@MichalM Was there last week as it’s a local store for me and the middle lift is falling to pieces COP on all 3 are now taped together but middles tape broke. They need a proper mod job right lift is temperamental as ever still.
@@TheUKTransportCollection Oh right, didn't realise! I think one thing is needed, just one thing - which will sort out all the lifts - it's called a good engineer who does proper maintenance!
40 persons thats an overengineered kone 3rd gen
I'm not sure why one is so big whilst the other one isn't, definitely an unusual setup.
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