Frank Miller not only did Batman Justice he created elektra for Daredevil! He made DC and Marvel both grounded in raw reality and not many comic book artists can say that!
Say what you want about about Frank Miller. Without him we would never have had Tim Burton's Batman to the Dark Knight Trilogy by Christopher Nolan. Batman needed that revamp. Miller may not be the perfect personality, but he's done a great job.
+MemphoWrasslin1 You're right. I am not discrediting Neal Adams at all. Without him we wouldn't have had Frank Miller revamp Batman or Daredevil for that matter. I'm just sick of people saying nasty things about Miller who disregard his achievements, and his great contributions to the comic industry. We mustn't forget Year One or TDK Returns which also influenced the Nolan Trilogy.
***** Oh no I meant it in way that you can't talk about Neil Adams without mentioning Dennis O'Neil! After all, he was the writer who proved that Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the disguise!
And once again we are reminded why Batman is the be and end all of the comic book world. Simply the most dynamic, most impactful character to have ever have graced the comic book page. And long may that continue.
Miller's greatest contribution is that he made people realize that iconic superheroes doesn't have to be boy scouts and role models. I love Miller's Batman in spite of what he is, not because of what he is. Miller's version is an angry old man with a point to prove, someone who wants to teach everyone the lesson that he still matters. And somehow it's all understandable, relatable and makes perfect sense. That's what Miller did, he made Batman relevant again.
A lot of people hated on Batflecks Batman Emblem, little did they know that the directors influence for the movie was Frank Millers version of Batman Vs Superman
"NO MORE!!!!! ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE MURDERED BY LETTING YOU LIVE" Batman to Joker. "Its time you learn what it means to be a man" Batman to Superman "You are feeling it arent you ?what the rest of us live with everyday" Batman to Superman "The world will only make sense if you force it to" Batman to Superman "I want you to remind u to stay out of my way.I want u to remember in all the years to come,in ur most private moments,I want you to remember The One Man Who Beat You" Batman to Superman
Frank Miller has certainly made quite a contribution to the Batman ethos. I truly did find his All Star Batman to be psychopathic and stopped reading it after 3 issues. Has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Freddy Krueger as he ages? I recommend the three part Daredevil reprints of Visionaries done by Miller. While he greatly changed Batman, his impact on Daredevil revived a comic that was nearly going to be discontinued.
The Dark Knight returns comic was the last time Frank Miller did any justice to the character. The "goddamn" Batman was always a bastardization of What The Batman is.
+Jordan .Lacroix not really ... it just an inexperienced batman being affected by his lack friends and Gotham .... and thematically he is Teenager batman
People give Frank Miller far too much credit and even give him credit for stuff he didn't even do . Most of this stuff he's getting credited for had already happened just a few years prior. Don't get me wrong, Frank Miller did a lot for the character and wrote 2 of the best stories for Batman but people give Miller way to much credit
The only problem is that shortly after Dennis O' Neil/Neal Adams did Batman 251 Batman and crew became watered down yet again and even Joker became a bloody joke again - I mean come on 'Sign of the Joker"/"Laughing Fish" ? , a half-assed attempt at the G.A. Joker.
I would Argue Neil Adams (Frank's Mentor) and Denny O'neal put the "Dark" back in DarkKnight". Miller certainly made him more brutal though. Infact Frank's Batman is the one we continue to reference.
I feel like frank millers batman is amazing in some ways, but too ruthless in others. Batman is supposed to be a guy who cares for Gotham and her people, he's supposed to be more caring. Such as with his Robins he always saw them as his sons, he didn't always see them as just soldiers. I love the frank miller batman, but at the same time I don't like him.
In 2:09 , you have an issue of X-Men from 1976, how exactly is this a result of Frank Miller's work on Batman? Also Spider-Man was dark before Miller, or has everyone forgotten about the Death of Jean Dewolff? (I sure hope not!)
+Devil of Hell's Kitchen I don't think you understood one of the points of the video. The writers are just as important as the characters. So no, it wasn't because of Daredevil, it was because of Miller himself.
frank miller did some great things on batman as well as daredevil however some aspect of his batman reek more of frank miller man and the introspective part of batman is brushed aside for a more crazy batman.
So, out of the 7 things on that list, the only positive contribution I can see is making Jim Gordan relevant, which is debatable if we can really attribute that to Miller.
@@MutantsInDisguise Dennis O Neil's Batman and also the OG one from 1939 are closer to silver age in tone than they are to the post-crisis/modern version started by Frank Miller
It's nice to see someone bring up All Star Batman & Robin: The Wonder and not be so inclined at the same time to smear filth all over the story in the same breath.
Alaska1925 While he was asked who would win a fight between Batman and Superman he said that "they are just lines on a piece of paper", this is the interest he has towards the characters, which is the worst thing that I've heard from a writer so far.
Jeremy NYC They are just lines on a piece of paper. This statement means 2 things: 1) It's who draws the characters that decides the outcome of their fight. Or really, anything about their lives and behaviour. Writers and artists, they have total control over fictional characters. You'd have to ask them who would win, and depending on who you ask, you might get different answers. 2) Since they're fictional, on-paper characters, there's no need to get mad if you don't get the answer you want. Miller decided to stand in no man's land favoring neither Superman nor Batman. While you, hothead, are exactly the kind of person that Miller didn't want to satisfy with his answer. You really think he doesn't care about Bats? Then explain me how he wrote some of the best comics on the guy, please.
Frank Miller not only did Batman Justice he created elektra for Daredevil! He made DC and Marvel both grounded in raw reality and not many comic book artists can say that!
Say what you want about about Frank Miller. Without him we would never have had Tim Burton's Batman to the Dark Knight Trilogy by Christopher Nolan. Batman needed that revamp. Miller may not be the perfect personality, but he's done a great job.
+MemphoWrasslin1 You're right. I am not discrediting Neal Adams at all. Without him we wouldn't have had Frank Miller revamp Batman or Daredevil for that matter. I'm just sick of people saying nasty things about Miller who disregard his achievements, and his great contributions to the comic industry.
We mustn't forget Year One or TDK Returns which also influenced the Nolan Trilogy.
+Ben Rawding ever*
+MemphoWrasslin1 What happened to Denny O'Neil?
***** Oh no I meant it in way that you can't talk about Neil Adams without mentioning Dennis O'Neil! After all, he was the writer who proved that Batman is the real person and Bruce Wayne is the disguise!
***** I didn't know that! Thanks!
And once again we are reminded why Batman is the be and end all of the comic book world. Simply the most dynamic, most impactful character to have ever have graced the comic book page. And long may that continue.
Miller's greatest contribution is that he made people realize that iconic superheroes doesn't have to be boy scouts and role models. I love Miller's Batman in spite of what he is, not because of what he is. Miller's version is an angry old man with a point to prove, someone who wants to teach everyone the lesson that he still matters. And somehow it's all understandable, relatable and makes perfect sense. That's what Miller did, he made Batman relevant again.
A lot of people hated on Batflecks Batman Emblem, little did they know that the directors influence for the movie was Frank Millers version of Batman Vs Superman
"NO MORE!!!!! ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE MURDERED BY LETTING YOU LIVE" Batman to Joker.
"Its time you learn what it means to be a man" Batman to Superman
"You are feeling it arent you ?what the rest of us live with everyday" Batman to Superman
"The world will only make sense if you force it to" Batman to Superman
"I want you to remind u to stay out of my way.I want u to remember in all the years to come,in ur most private moments,I want you to remember The One Man Who Beat You" Batman to Superman
Frank Miller has certainly made quite a contribution to the Batman ethos. I truly did find his All Star Batman to be psychopathic and stopped reading it after 3 issues. Has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Freddy Krueger as he ages? I recommend the three part Daredevil reprints of Visionaries done by Miller. While he greatly changed Batman, his impact on Daredevil revived a comic that was nearly going to be discontinued.
The film adaptation of this comic is the best thing since pizza
I *like* pizza.
The Dark Knight returns comic was the last time Frank Miller did any justice to the character.
The "goddamn" Batman was always a bastardization of What The Batman is.
+Jordan .Lacroix Batman Year One came out after The Dark Knight Returns and it was better.... at least in my opinion
+Jordan .Lacroix Read his book out right now. He's back.
+Jordan .Lacroix What about all the Sin City comics, and Batman Year One and Daredevil?
+Jordan .Lacroix not really ... it just an inexperienced batman being affected by his lack friends and Gotham .... and thematically he is Teenager batman
+Jordan .Lacroix Baloney. Read the early Golden Age Batman by creators Bill Finger and Bob Kane. The Batman that fights cops and kills people.
And this is were the BvS batman was inspired
DKIII is looking to be awesome! I can't wait to pick it up today!
New 52 Batman is amazing.
2:12 Lol "grim and gritty" and Deadpool is shown
It's high time DC allowed Frank Miller to do a Superman comic book
People give Frank Miller far too much credit and even give him credit for stuff he didn't even do . Most of this stuff he's getting credited for had already happened just a few years prior. Don't get me wrong, Frank Miller did a lot for the character and wrote 2 of the best stories for Batman but people give Miller way to much credit
TDKR has too much credit than his DD Born Again which is way better and personal story.
***** huh?
***** haha basically
The only problem is that shortly after Dennis O' Neil/Neal Adams did Batman 251 Batman and crew became watered down yet again and even Joker became a bloody joke again - I mean come on 'Sign of the Joker"/"Laughing Fish" ? , a half-assed attempt at the G.A. Joker.
Laughing Fish is a fantastic Joker story, that blends the Joker’s clown aspects with his psychopathic murderousness.
I would Argue Neil Adams (Frank's Mentor) and Denny O'neal put the "Dark" back in DarkKnight". Miller certainly made him more brutal though. Infact Frank's Batman is the one we continue to reference.
But then it dissipated into the ether until Frank brought it back and made it stick.
Wrong
I feel like frank millers batman is amazing in some ways, but too ruthless in others. Batman is supposed to be a guy who cares for Gotham and her people, he's supposed to be more caring. Such as with his Robins he always saw them as his sons, he didn't always see them as just soldiers. I love the frank miller batman, but at the same time I don't like him.
I liked his Batman in "Year One" and "The Dark Knight Returns", but his work in "Strikes Back" and "All-Star" are other things.
He was good until he went batshit insane
ba-dum tssssh!
My favourite Batman comic and movie
whats the music in this video????
Thank you Frank
It's miller time
In 2:09 , you have an issue of X-Men from 1976, how exactly is this a result of Frank Miller's work on Batman? Also Spider-Man was dark before Miller, or has everyone forgotten about the Death of Jean Dewolff? (I sure hope not!)
Dave Gibbons Watchmen
That’s Rogers me
Frank Miller is a freaking genius, flawed, but a genius no less
FREDDYS BACK!
Which comic is 2.16min ?
he changed him from the golden and silver age batman to the darker bronze age
Heads Up: 6 refers to Crazy Steve.
No killing joke brought batman back to his roots
TDKR was in 1986, TKJ was 1988. And Dennis O’Neil and Neal Adams had already returned him to his roots in the 70s.
Miller time!
if it wasn't for DAREDEVIL... DC wouldn't hire Miller to write Batman...
+Devil of Hell's Kitchen I don't think you understood one of the points of the video. The writers are just as important as the characters. So no, it wasn't because of Daredevil, it was because of Miller himself.
Guilherme Pereira DD was outselling batman at the time and DC took notice. that's a fact. search Google.
Devil of Hell's Kitchen so what? Marvel always outsells DC
+Guilherme Pereira don't you remember when aquaman, yes aquaman, outselled the majority of marvel hero titles in 2013?
+Mr Simmons so what, the top 10 always has like 7 marvel titles, recently 9 or 10
wasn't it Miller's idea to kill electra? good choice!
300 was a comic!??? thought it was an original movie all along, WOW!
frank miller did some great things on batman as well as daredevil however some aspect of his batman reek more of frank miller man and the introspective part of batman is brushed aside for a more crazy batman.
hey im making a lego dkr movie next month
the dark knight returns story is after end of justice leaque
So, out of the 7 things on that list, the only positive contribution I can see is making Jim Gordan relevant, which is debatable if we can really attribute that to Miller.
number 8 angered superman fan boys like angry Joe lol
Frank Miller deserves a star on the Hollywood walk of fame!
I completely disagree with the first way; everyone forgets Dennis O'Neil returned Batman to his dark roots.
He didn't
@@Ian-hj4yt he did.
@@MutantsInDisguise Dennis O Neil's Batman and also the OG one from 1939 are closer to silver age in tone than they are to the post-crisis/modern version started by Frank Miller
@@Ian-hj4yt and? Without O'Neil, nothing about the Batman, including Miller's contriversial take on Batman, would've been possible without him.
@@MutantsInDisguise Yeah, because he hired Frank Miller when he became editor in 1986. But his Batman was completely different from what Miller did.
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Bucky is alive
save du doch Martha
It's nice to see someone bring up All Star Batman & Robin: The Wonder and not be so inclined at the same time to smear filth all over the story in the same breath.
It's kind of a hard thing to do.
Yeah, I've always thought of Batman as a murderous paedophile.
he can't write a movie script to save his life
alright why can't he make good DK sequels then?
good? Those movies were amazing
+Zaiyan Khan (Z) He's talking about the comics. Frank Miller had nothing to do with the films.
Vegepen oh woops sorry my bad
Zaiyan Khan
S'all good
+Qwa'ha Xahn Vahla ha'nesh He is! Read his recent book DKIII. IT's getting great review's.
DD Born Again > TDKR
More DC, Less Marvel I will not a start a pointless argument with you so whatever
+More DC, “the Knight, the Dukes” Less Marvel you can't even spell daredevil you KID
nope, thats a completely unfounded opinion
yeah. too bad he wasn't the one who made batman dark again or the writer of a good batman story.
You misspelled "God Miller".
you misspelled Godd Howard
Black Adam No, I'm simply referring to Todd Howard head of game design at Bethsoft
+Noah Anzaldua OK,but what does Mr.Howard has to do with this?
Considering his work in ASBAR, DKSA, and especially Holy Terror . . .
Frank Miller should write a Deadpool comic
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I liked what frank miller did with batman but I do not like what he did to superman to achieve it.
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Frank Miller makes Batman islamophobic gary stu
Zakaria Shalih every single superhero would be islamphobic just every single hero would be "naziphobic" it's a brutal and horrible ideology
Don't repeat the lies of Lady-Donkey, Zakaria.
Well he did turn Batman into a murderous pedophile who painted himself and a twelve year old yellow.
G c fhf f f dank memes
Too bad he has completely lost his mind now
What happened to him?
Frank Miller gives batman a bad name
holy cow so much lies in this video
DK2 wasn't good,...like 'at all'...
I think you're being too generous in your review
Frank Miller is responsible for both the best and worst Batman stories. DKR and All Star BM&R.
Jeph Loeb is better. There, I said it.
The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All Star Batman & Robin stink.
2 good batman stories the he butchered the character
mc_macapaca agree
Frank Miller is an horrible person he said one of the worst thing that a writer could ever say.
Which is..?
+Jeremy NYC exactly, what did frank miller ever say that offended you this much?
Alaska1925 While he was asked who would win a fight between Batman and Superman he said that "they are just lines on a piece of paper", this is the interest he has towards the characters, which is the worst thing that I've heard from a writer so far.
Mr Simmons I'm not offended, I just don't see him as a good writer.
Jeremy NYC They are just lines on a piece of paper.
This statement means 2 things:
1) It's who draws the characters that decides the outcome of their fight. Or really, anything about their lives and behaviour. Writers and artists, they have total control over fictional characters. You'd have to ask them who would win, and depending on who you ask, you might get different answers.
2) Since they're fictional, on-paper characters, there's no need to get mad if you don't get the answer you want. Miller decided to stand in no man's land favoring neither Superman nor Batman.
While you, hothead, are exactly the kind of person that Miller didn't want to satisfy with his answer. You really think he doesn't care about Bats? Then explain me how he wrote some of the best comics on the guy, please.