Should have seen my face looking up PhD requirements in Classics. “Working fluency in French and German for historical documents” bc by the time Medieval Latin came to be, the Goths had already taken over xD
In Germany: 1 = sehr gut / very good 2 = gut / good 3 = befriedigend / acceptable 4 = ausreichend / sufficient 5 = mangelhaft / poor 6 = ungenügend / insufficient
In german its: 1- perfect 2- very good 3-meh 4-just enough 5-failed 6-didnt even try the worst you get is nearly always 5, the teacher tho can and will give you a 6 if you didnt try. the final grade at the end of the year is the average of all grades so a 6 is just extra punishment
In germany its actually 1-6 (1 is best and there is +/-) from grade 1-10, but in Highschool from grade 11 onwards its 1-15 (15 is best) and then in University its 1,0 - 5,0 (1,0 is best, there is also decimal numbers X,3 & X,7 but 5,0 is the lowest you can get)
Getting a 2 or a 1 in high school in Italy means that you probably have failed that whole subject because at the end of the year the teacher calculates the average of all the grades you got in their class and a 2 can easily bring everything down to a 5. However, the teacher has some degrees of liberty to adjust final grade. Some are very strict and will calculate the exact number, others will maybe boost a 5 to a 6 if they saw you improve during the year and want to reward your efforts (they can also lower your grade if they think that you behaved bad in class or if you get too many non justified absences). I personally have seen teachers give plenty of 2s, usually when the student is completely silent during a or leaves a test blank.
1:14 I guess it depends on the state, but where I studied (North Germany), you had the right to three 5 marks in your report card, anything above that, you either have to repeat the class, or you may be moved to a lower education group. On the three school types in order from lowest to highest education: common school (Gesamtschule), main school (Hauptschule) and high school (Gymnasium), with some exceptions like upper schools (Oberschule) that educates children for both main and high school. I was in the high school group, so our grading was a bit stricter, thus other groups may have been different. Also, if you wanted to continue past 10th grade for higher education, you needed to have an overall score of at least 3.0 and had the right to one 5 in the exams for it. (This is only available for high school and upper school children who want to continue. The latter of which are moved to a special facility for it)
@@brotherman8873 6 exists and you can have one in your report card, but none for continued education after 10th grade. Also if you continously get 5s and 6es (even at the allowed rate), alternative education type may be discussed
In Germany the higher grades of high school equivalents, years 11-13, swap from 1-6 to 0-15 with 15 being the best. It's because after ten years Germany considers pupils smart enough to handle double-digit numbers.
German grades in school for classes 1-10: 1 = sehr gut = very good - > usually means flawless, although some pedantic teachers might give you a 1- 2 = gut = good -> usually top 90 %, you did some minor errors 3 = befriedigend = satisfactory -> an average score - you got the gist but you still have issue with the topic 4 = ausreichend = sufficient -> a bad score, but still a pass - you barely understand the topic and need to do more 5 = mangelhaft = inadequate -> you didn't pass and you barely have a grasp of the topic, but you at least tried 6 = ungenügend = insufficient - > zero points - you turned in a blank sheet of paper or you didn't appear in class. every grade between 2 and 4 usually can get a + or a - in front of it, meaning better or worse. So a 2+ is almost a 1 for example. And a 4- means you very barely made it. 1, 5 and 6 usually don't get a + or - because 1 already is perfect and 5 and 6 already is failed. Sometimes you see a 5+ in rare cases or a 1-, if the teacher thinks it's warranted somehow. Each year you get a certificate with all your classes listed, and you usually are allowed to have a single 5 on it to pass. If you have 2x a 5 or 1x a 6 you usually don't pass the year and have to repeat. In some states and at some schools you can get special exams to redeem yourself though. Also in classes 11-12 (or 13 in the past) the grades usually were turned into numbers from 0 to 15, so you can more easily calculate your score for the final Abitur. So a grade could be sehr gut(14) or gut+(12) for example if I remember correctly. 4 was a ausreichend-, the least score you needed. But every state and even some schools can have variances.
If I might add, the grades are not linear. I don't know if the percentages necessary for the grades are different depending on the federal state, but a 4 usually means more than 50% of total points.
From my experience/memory, you could definitely get a 6 even if you attend and write something, at least for subjects where the tests had (predefined) points per task; don't remember if I heard of a 6 for tests where there are no points i.e. where you had to write an essay. And at my school, if you missed a test, you either had to retake it I believe (mostly just done for the more important, announced exams, we called "Schulaufgabe") or got a "mündliche Note" through active participation in class or a short oral examination about the last or last two classes ("Abfrage"). And yes, I'm from Bavaria
In Arab countries, every subject has its own grade: like math is 0-60, Physics 0-40, Biology 0-30, and to pass every subject individually you need to score 60% of the subject's score, and at the end there are 2 conditions of failing: 1. failing more than 2 subjects. 2. getting less than 60% of the sum of all subjects combined. with this system some subjects weigh more than others, like Math contribute more than let's say social studies (60 vs 10 grades) so failing math is way worse than failing social studies because it contributes more to the final grade. I find it weird system but a clever one in some sense.
Usually true, but you often get some chances like a special exam to turn one of the 5s into a 4. Also you only get a 6 if you like never be present or in a test if you turn in a blank paper. If you are there and breathing, it's automatically at least a 5.
At least in the case of Germany the marks are actually named and defined: 1 very good fulfills requirements in extraordinary fashion 2 good fullfills the requirements fully 3 satisfactory generally fulfills the requirements 4 sufficient shows gaps in proficiency, but just fulfills the requirements just about 5 inadequate does not fulfill the requirements, but shows signs that the necessary requirements can be fulfilled in foreseeable time 6 insufficient requirements are not fulfilled and it is unlikely to fulfill the base requirements in forseeable time. Also not taking the exam. Also cheating. These marks can be modified with a + or - for inbetween steps. Iirc if your school report shows a 6 you fail the year and you can settle up a 5 with a 1 or two 2. Two 5s also fail the year. Note that this is generally state related, so maybe one state handles this different from another. Also note that it has been well 20 years since I've been to school, things might have changed. Also this is basic school, i.e. grade 1 through 10. (though university prepareing grades 11 through 13 are essentially the same, just with 0 = 6 up to 15 being a 1+)
The reason for scores of 1 to 5 existing is to grade your failure to even get the bare minimum. I think the idea is to disuade the students from continuing that path by showing them how terrible their scores are. I am not sure if it really works, though.
Yeah the point of grades 1 to 10 is that you get the average at the end of the year. If I do 5 test the whole year, get 4 - 4 - 6 - 8 - 8, the average is 6 so I barely passed, but still passed (and so on). So even if in a test you get 4 and suck, you can still be good to pass the year if next test you get 8/10.
I am German so i can explain the 1-6 stuff. First of all we do a lot of "Tests" in each Category of curriculum we cover and you barely pass with a 48% which is most of the time a 4-. Then those lets say in each subject we do around 10-15 Tests a year + verbal interaction in the class + quizzes + homework. You get an average of all of those and thats your final grade at the end of year on your "Zeugnis" aka Certificate. You need to repeat with two 5s or one 6 but you can get as many 4s as you want (it doesnt look good on your "Abschlusszeugnis" tho so you should try to get good grades on your last Certificate) Hope this helps and if you have questions ask away
italian is almost identical to french when it comes to grammar though. You just have to memorize the words again, but you don't have to figure out how it works. And most words have the same root. I speak both languages, and my native language is spanish. Italian is the most similar language to french. Out of country-languages that is, maybe catalan is closer.
I suspect Italy uses 1-10 because that can be directly mapped to a score percentage range. The German and Austrian systems have an extra step in between. Grades 1-5 does not mean that you only need 20% to pass, but that anything below the failing threshold (like 50%) is a 5. Germany has the additional grade 6 that is basically a "super fail" for students who did not just have insufficient understanding, but are truly hopeless or actively obstruct the class. In my system, you would fail a year if you had a 5 in two classes or a 6 in just one class.
in Germany how it works is that 1-4 is a passing grade, 5 can be a passing grade under specific circumstances and 6 is a complete failure but it all depends on which subjects you got those grades in because they're valued differently. if you get a 6 in german, maths, physics, chemistry, biology or english, you just fail. if you get a 5 in german, maths, physics, chemistry, biology or english, you can still pass if you got a 3 in one of the others, if you got 4s in all of them and one 5, you fail, so you generally never fail the class just because you sucked at one thing, you'll have to either seriously fuck it up or just be bad across the board. also the numbers aren't really what the grades are called, they're short for: 1- very good 2 - good 3 - satisfactory 4 - sufficient 5 - insufficient 6 - (heavily) flawed
Yes! In elementary and high school too, 10 is 100%, 5.5 is barely passing, everything less is insufficient. 1 is the worst. The fact we work with decimals too means that it's basically like 1.0 to 10.0 so you could get a 6.4, a 4.8 or a 7.3 or something like that very often.
In Mexico is the same as in Italy, from 1 to 10 until high school and from 1 to 100 in university, basically because it's in percentage, and yes, I've seen people get 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 (0, 10, 20, 30, 40 in uni) and it can completely ruin your final average, once in high school I got a 2.5 in an exam, and also in university I got a 40 in an exam, and both gave me problems
I did German for 4 years in school, but I transferred to the school a year AFTER the classes started for my grade. As a result, while I can recognise, pronounce and even remember some German words, I never quite grasped the basics, and never could accommodate for that shortfall of knowledge.
I wonder whether it is related to why French numbers are maths exercises, 92=4*20+12 This is due to the vingesimal numeral system which was popular earlier, but the 0-20 grades were introduced only in 1890, so maybe it was just an arbitrary number in that context.
@@Ph34rNoB33r It is related, in the way it has the same roots. A lot of things were done in "base 20" and not in "base 10", in the military and in the selling sector. Which is why people say "une vingtaine de" for "around 20 of". It's like when TV people speaks of area comparing them to footall field, or volume with olympic swimming pool. For a lot of people you use something your imagination can grasp. And so for a very long time both base 10 and base 20 math existed in France. And a bit of base 6 :) And yeah, when rating, people were like "10 is not a large enough scale to be precise on the grade". and if you were educated in France, somztime you had 10.5/20 or 16.25/20 as grades, as people want a large scale to rate the grades.
I've always thought that 0 through 10 (or 0 through 100, basically the same) was the most common system. I have no knowledge of how it is done in other countries, but in Brazil we have 4 exam periods throughtout the year and then we get the average at the end. In all the places I have studied an average of 7 was the requirement to pass. So you can basically get any score on the tests as long as you meet the criteria at the end of the year.
yeah, I remember a 1 being "very good", 2 "good", 3 "average" or something along those lines, and I think 4 being "satisfactory", while 5 and 6 were just "bad" and "fail" respectively. Although noteably, in the higher grades and especially for the final highschool exams, it switches/runs alongside a point-system 1 to 100 iirc that just straight up reflects your results.
@@Justic_ 1 = sehr gut = very good - > usually means flawless, although some pedantic teachers might give you a 1- 2 = gut = good -> usually top 90 %, you did some minor errors 3 = befriedigend = satisfactory -> an average score - you got the gist but you still have issue with the topic 4 = ausreichend = sufficient -> a bad score, but still a pass - you barely understand the topic and need to do more 5 = mangelhaft = inadequate -> you didn't pass and you barely have a grasp of the topic, but you at least tried 6 = ungenügend = insufficient - > zero points - you turned in a blank sheet of paper or you didn't appear in class. every grade between 2 and 4 usually can get a + or a - in front of it, meaning better or worse. So a 2+ is almost a 1 for example. And a 4- means you very barely made it. 1, 5 and 6 usually don't get a + or - because 1 already is perfect and 5 and 6 already is failed. Sometimes you see a 5+ in rare cases or a 1-, if the teacher thinks it's warranted somehow.
Well, if 1 to 10's so surprising, where I live it's usually 01 to 60 considering the annual grades and large tests, 60 being best and 01 being worst. Anything below 29,5 is failed since that's rounded up to 30. Though for smaller tests, different numbers may be used, most commonly 01 to 20, 01 to 30 and 01 to 40.
I had 3 years of Italian in highschool. I was really bad but now I try to hold on to the bit I can with Duolingo, but I have family there so I have training partners if I want.
the funny part is the description every grade gets in terms of explanations behind each of them. Lots of reasons, many of which are very alike, especially between closer grades, but then what matters is whether you're at least sufficient, good or great
Context: 1 to 10 is only during Middle School and High School, when in university grades go from 0 to 30 (plus 30 and "Lode" wich is basically 31) usually 25 to 30 is a good grade, but it depends on you, you can also reject the grade and come back again to do the same exam
When i went to school, it was A-F with a very strict system where one F on any assignment or test meant that you could not pass If you got an E in an assignment, that meant that your top grade for that subject was a D I know 3 of the 6 people in my year (in the entire country) that got an A on an entire course. One madwoman managed to get A on 2 courses and might be on her way to a nobel prize as we speak
technically in the last 3 years of german high school, grades 11 to 13, The scoring changes and we switch to a point system, where 15 is maximum points and equates to a 1+. These grades are not mandatory anymore and only need to be completed if you want to attain the Abitur, or Allgemeine Hochschulreife, which enables you to go to university.
Interesting, in Sweden we have -, F, E, D, C, B, A where "-" is you weren't at school, F is fail, E is pass, C is very good, A is extremely good, with D and B being inbetween. Correlates to scores E: 10, D: 12,5, C: 15, B: 17.5, A:20 which is used when you apply for the equivalent of highschool(can get up to 320 points), and then in High school it's the same but you apply to universities with your average grade(can get up to 22 or maybe 22.5, dont rememeber. All A's gives you 20, + 2 (or 2.5) extra merit). And then at Uni it's 0, 3, 4, 5 (fail, pass, pass with credit, pass with distinction) But the Swedish system is kinda weird in how much effort is required to get the higher grades, it's a kinda shit system ngl
In England back when I went to school we had A*, A, B, C, D, E, F, U. U was 'ungraded', E was a pass. If you took the higher grade tests C was a pass. I think England has moved to the numerical system similar to the one Kiara mentioned
In America we just skip the E, so D and F are the two lowest grades. I'm not sure why it's like that either. Though still not as strange as S being the highest grade in some cases, which seems to be the case in most video games.
In SEA, we mostly go by grades. you want to see P for 50% but as long as you pass the majority of your subjects you can go to the next year. Year 11 is where you have the standard exams that determine your final grade and what you can study in university
Afaik in germany you still pass with a 4, 5 is like you don't pass, but at least you tried and 6 is like you didn't even try...or you cheated and got caught. In the Oberstufe (grade 10 and higher in Gymnasium) the grading system changes and you have 0-15 with 15 as the highest and 0 as the lowest, which is closer to what Raora talks about. You can still convert to the other grades tho, like 15 is a 1+, 14 is a 1, 13 is a 1- etc. and then 1 is a 5- and 0 is just a 6. So you'd need at least a 4 to pass.
here in argentina we also have 1 to 10, and i got many 1s in the past, its not that difficult. Just hand over the blank exam to the teacher and wait outside
@@Ryolith You can get 0/20 but it's quite rare happens only if you do not give back a class assignment or leave a exam copy where you didnt write anything, you can also get 0 if you have all wrong on an interrogation but its quite rare and it depends of the teacher
In Hungary we have 1 to 5, 4-5 you're a good student, 2-3 you're a bad student, 1 you fail the class and may have to repeat the year. You technically still pass with a 2 but you rarely ever see it, it usually means it could've been a 1 but the teacher showed mercy.
Sometimes I wonder....did they actually reform the education system since 1919? Because in Austria, the only difference is that good students get a 1, while 5 is a fail.
Context about 1 to 6 systems grading this happens twice with Gura and Kobo first Gura 1 to 5 and where the rest and Kobo what and what turn to jokes and having deja vu from kiara
I'm from Costa Rica but maybe some Latin American countries use the same system, I'm not sure. Here we have from 0 to 100, in primary school you can pass if you get a 65 and in high school it's 75. As Raora said, all the grades are added up so you can fail an exam but you can pass if you get better grades in the next ones (There are 3 exams, one each trimester. Homework and other work also count towards your final grade.)
Austria only has 1-5 with everything except 5 being a pass is because there is no spectrum of failure. It depends on the school and teacher, but a 5 is usually getting under 60% of points on a test. Sometimes it's under 50%. 5 is "Nicht Genügend" so literally "Not enough" 4 is "Genügend" which literally translates to "Enough" is given when the minimum passing requirements are fulfilled. 3 is "Befriedigend", "Satisfactory", which means the student did what is expected of him. 2 is "Gut", "Good" means the student exceeded expectations. 1 is "Sehr Gut", "Very Good" means the student is far beyond expectations.
"what's the point of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 if you don't pass?" Depends on the school, some schools give different weights to different tests as the year passes and by the end of the year you get an average of your score through the whole year. Say the school splits the exams in 3 trimesters, so to pass you technically just need an 18 total score (18/3=6), say you get a 7 in the first trimester and then a 5 in the second one, to pass with the minimum score you need a 6. Another example, you can get a 7, but then you did poorly and got a 2, you still has a chance - before finals - to pass if you get at least a 9. The schools can be pretty lenient and give the students several opportunities to pass, they just have to study.
Actually in my class it happened to some of my classmates to get 1,2. Even not classifiable but that's when the teacher hates you so much that they won't let you succeed in their subject. The grades in Italy works with the arithmetic mean; so everytime you do a test or an interrogation through the year, the grade of those tests will add to the mean. At the end of the year the arithmetic mean has to be at least 6. So now you get it that when they give you everything below 4, it means no matter how good you are going to be in the next texts, you automatically failed. Some people wonder why ,most of us Italians student through school life, we had at least one mental breakdown
@@ginteloph So there isn't a standard? What kind of subjects would follow that pattern? Also, by bonus points you could get a score over 20/20? Or something like "oh you got a 19/20, but since you answered the bonus question you'll get a bonus point and score a 20/20"?
@@LuizFelipe-lk1hsIt is true for most teachers. There is a whole cultural mental block, where they think that if they give a perfect score to a student, they'll inevitably become lazy and stop working. So they take out 1 or 2 points arbitrarily (equivalent of 5 to 10 points on 100 scoring system). Grades are also used as a discipline tool, so if you goof around too much, a teacher can punish you by grading you more harshly. So if you get a perfect score, many teachers are worried you'll stop respecting the rulers and become disorderly. So they avoid giving a perfect score as much as they can. There is also the culture that any perfect score means the test was too easy and doesn't represent any respectable work, so a perfect score is seen by many parents and teachers as meaningless and a waste of their attention. Gotta love the toxic culture of grading in France: pushing millions of students into failure and self-esteem issues for the last 300 years.
@@TubeofDestiny That is so unfair, and so ironic how students that went through this system become teachers and perpetuate it. Kinda like a cycle of hatred "I went through this BS, so so will my students"
Can someone explain to me what does kiara mean by "grades"? I always thought they mean grade 1 = first year of school (like 6/7 years old) grade 2 = 2nd year all the way till like 17-18 when you graduate and go adulting.... now theyre talking about GETTING grades? HUH? so this whole time did kiara mean "test scores" ? im so confused
@@kill1337spek doesn't U.S. use letters A-F excluding E? we use 1-10 here too and it was very intuitive because 10 was basically 95% and up, 8 was 85-94% etc.
In the Netherlands we use a 1-100 scale in the shape of a 1-10 scale by having a single decimal after the point. So 5.5 is a passing grade as it rounds up to 6
0:45 I once got 1 here in Italy for Biology, for context I was doing a business highschool so you tell me why does a businessman need to know about biology. In fact I failed twice in a row cuz of biology and chemistry and because of a rule that doesn't allow you to repeat the same year more than once I got expelled. Now I'm doing a highschool to be an electrician at night while in the morning I do more meaningful stuff. Edit: you can still pass with 4 but they will have you come on August to take an exam on that subject, I don't exactly remember the specifics but I think it's up to 2 subjects so if you have 3 subjects below 5 you don't pass the year, 2 subjects below 5 but above 2 they're gonna have you take a test (I took one in biology sinc ei had an average of 3 and chemistry where I had an average of 5, suffice to say I failed biology so I failed the year) in the end it's all about how the professors feel. If they think you can do it they probably will ask you to do the exams at August.
A 5 wouldn't make you pass in german. When i had the final exam as a trainee they made it in procentuals and i think 60 % was the limit to pass. That's no different to the italian.
It's like how the US does 0- 100 where 70 is generally the minimum for passing in highschool everything below 70 is just to let you know exactly how bad you did. Universities in the US usually require a 60 or higher to pass except in specific degrees or cases where potentially a 70 or somethimes even higher is required for a specific program to be considered passing.
In STEM you can get a degree with a C but it depends on the course or if you are in nursing/medical. In graduate school anything less the a B means you failed the class.
@@cupof_jo924 ohh that's interesting but makes sense. music undergrad required 70's for music core classes and sometimes higher for specific classes. I did do a bit of music grad school (life stuff got in the way unfortunately - mental health fortunately), but I don´t remember if they required b's or higher.
I have family in Italy and I never understood why they don't use the chance that they have a even number to say from 1 completely failed to 10 100% of all points. So that they could give you clearer grades.
In Chile it's 1-7. With 4 being the minimum to pass and 7 being the best, and it uses decimals. Most teachers seem unaware that 1-7 is only 6 slots, it's basically the same as 0-6. So they tend to make 7 questions where each is worth one point, which means if you get only one right it's the same as if you got none.
In honduras we go from 0 to 100. 0 being the worst and 100 being perfect score. 60 being the minimum to pass, but if the average is below of 75, then you have to do some extra work to bring it up.
@@Kalenz1234 Some enter university with 30, some older. It's not like you're forced to do university right after school, you can pursue a higher degree of education at any point you want.
If you're curious about how long elementary school actually lasts in Germany, it's 4 years. There's also pre-school that kids will sometimes go to for a year between kindergarten and elementary school, but from my experience it's not that common so most kids just have those 4 years before they move on to middle/highschool (the German school-system rolls them both into one).
so why doesnt everyone just uses percentages lol. like everyone knows what a percentage is but you still have these arbitrary numbers that mean nothing
Idk. Where I live we were graded on a scale of 1-4. Halfway through middle school they added 5. But as soon as I started high-school, everyone used percentages.
Ok I am WAY more confused now. I always though Kiara and Gura were talking about grades like... like 1st grade, 2nd grade, whatever. Elementary school years. Not grading scale 0-100
Naaah some countries like to use 1 to 100 for grades. I’m assuming that might be for most countries in Asia. They have letters under them like S for Satisfactory, but we rarely pay attention those. (Passing Grade: 75. Or still depends)
I don't remember if they finaly did it in France, there were talks of adopting the ABC grading to discourage students. Usually our tests are graded from 1 to 20
That's so weird. Seems to be a very convoluted system coming from a place where 0 to 10 is the norm. 5 usually being the minimum required to pass and 7 being a good grade. In my college an 8 means you don't need to do the final exam. How do you get an average? If someone got three sixes and a one, what's their final grade in Wawa's system? Do they still pass? Feels like the whole A+ to F- american system again. xD
Here it is also from 1 to 10, but if you want to pass, you need at least a seven. There are three quarters. When you add up all the grades from the three quarters and divide by 3, if you get less than 7, you have to repeat the year. Mind you, not every school uses this system. I think only the private ones does.
I am German so i can explain the 1-6 stuff. First of all we do a lot of "Tests" in each Category of curriculum we cover and you barely pass with a 48% which is most of the time a 4-. Then those lets say in each subject we do around 10-15 Tests a year + verbal interaction in the class + quizzes + homework. You get an average of all of those and thats your final grade at the end of year on your "Zeugnis" aka Certificate. You need to repeat with two 5s or one 6 but you can get as many 4s as you want (it doesnt look good on your "Abschlusszeugnis" tho so you should try to get good grades on your last Certificate) Hope this helps and if you have questions ask away
Austrian here. Four tests with four marks each, you calculate the average and round it up or down. Teachers always said homeworks and presentations mattered but it rarely did. My italian profession just didn't give a fuck if you didn't do your homework.
I wanted kiara repeated exactly how she tell gura back then to see if anyone responded the same as gura. "German has 1 2 3 4 5 6 grade. FUN FACT in Austria the grade is 1 to 5 but in German is 1 to 6" is how it goes if i'm not mistaken... 😂😂
You mean the grading scale? Usually 0 to 15 (15 best) in the upper grades. 1 to 6 (1 best) in the lower ones, sometimes modified with a small plus (good) or minus (bad) to indicate you're close to another one. And we usually translate everything to the 1-6 scale *eventually*, like after calculating the average grade. Of course details differ depending on the state, as we have 16 education systems, loosely coupled so you're not completely screwed if you move from one state to another.
0--20 in France ,0-10 and 0-5 exist too but 0-20 most frequently ,so when it's 0-10/0-5 ,you automatically convert to a 0-20 version (Imagine you get a 3,5/5 ,you automatically convert it to a 7/10 ,then to a 14/20 in your head) ,there is also the extremely rare 0-15 (But in that case ,it happens because the teacher didn't have enough creativity to create the questions for the remaining 5 points) Edit :Getting a 8/20 make you barely pass ,10/20 is what the average should be ,12/20 is considered "Satisfactory" ,14/20 is considered "Good" and a 16/20 (Or more) is "Very Good" (And non-official ,18/20 would be considered "Excellent" while 20/20 would be "Perfect" 2/5 -> 4/10 -> 6/15 -> 8/20 -> 40/100 2,5/5 -> 5/10-> 7,5/15 -> 10/20 -> 50/100 3/5 -> 6/10 -> 9/15 -> 12/20 -> 60/100 3,5/5 -> 7/10 -> 10,5/15 -> 14/20 -> 70/100 4/5 -> 8/10 -> 12/15 -> 16/20 -> 80/100 4,5 /5 -> 9/10 -> 13,5/15 -> 18/20 -> 90/100 5/5->10/10 -> 15/15 -> 20/20 -> 100/100 There was that one time where I got a 30/20 on a test in History-Geography (In French ,we abreviate it as Histoire-Géo) ,in France ,our History class and our Geography class are fused together (And taught by the same teacher) ,we go in the classroom ,,take our seat ,each seat as a colour assigned (Green or Red, and your neighbor would have the colour you didn't get) ,then on the whitebord would be the name of 20 countries (10 in each colour) ,on the test ,there was 2 exercise ,on the front page ,a map of Europe where we have to name the countries assigned with each colour ,and on the back side ,for the history part of the test ,we had to write an essay (I forgot what the subject was for that) each exercise was noted 0-10 ,the thing is ... that except for very few exception (very small island nations in the Caribbean and the Pacific) ,I can place every countries on the world map ,so I place my 10 countries in like 20 seconds then I decide to flex and place the 10 of the other groups ,and then after that I did the remaining of the countries anyways (The map would go south enough that you could see Northern Africa ,Saudi Arabia ,and East enough to see Pakistan ,Afghanistan and Uzbekistan) .I got 20/10 on this exercise (Well atleast the teacher gave me point for the other groups ,but not for the countries that weren't on the test) ,and got an 10/10 on the essay . I believe the reason he gave me 20/10 was that I scored 10/10 on the essay and my 30/20 was most likely registered as a 20/20 anyways (So whether I get 10/10 or 20/10 on the map wouldn't matter ,if I got 9,5/10 or lower on the essay ,he would have just put a 10/10 for the map ,well he wrote a 30/20 on my test paper ,but on the computer probably inputted a 20/20). And here what I can place on the level of countries subdivisions (Can place 100% of them) Regions (And their divisions) ,States and Territories of the USA Regions ,States and Territories of Canada States and Territories of Australia Provinces of Indonesia Regions of Singapore Regions of Thailand Provinces of North Korea Regions of India Provinces of Sri Lanka Provinces of Pakistan Provinces of South Africa Provinces of Sierra Leone Regions of France (Old and New) Regions of England Provinces of Ireland Autonomous Communities of Spain Regions of Portugal Regions of Italy Regions of Greece Regions and Provinces of Belgium Provinces of the Netherlands Länders of Germany Regions of Denmark Voîvodeships of Poland Oblasts of Belarus Regions of Slovakia States of Austria Cantons of Switzerland
5 point scales are better because there is no 50% for fence sitters. You either pass or you fail. The movie is either good or bad. Whenever people use 10 point scales to rate media, they never use the first 5 points anyway so its essentially a 5 point scale, except you have no idea what the difference between a 3/10 and a 2/10 is when it does get used.
1 to 10 gives a more accurate gpa, and the possibility to skip some exams if you overperform. also, even though im against it, most people use 1/2 stars to rate movies nowadays, so it ends up being 1 to 10 as well
@@Ballistic477 No you pass if you get over 10 in most cases. In reality, there's often a "no 20" implicit rule that means that you can't reach perfection and as you go up in grade this ceiling tend to go down. In university, I've heard of professor that think that giving 13 is the informal ceiling, the 10 floor is still in effect mind you. You also have cases where teachers give negative points, so you can reach a negative score on a test mostly on "Dictée" which is a spelling test for a whole text. I also had to take a final where good answer were given a point and bad answer one negative point, starting from zero. There's a lot of freedom in how teachers can construct their point system but at the end of the day if you get over 10 you pass. Applications to some curriculum might need better scores.
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"BUT WHERE IS THE REST OF THEM?!"
"eh?"
"Where's 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9?"
@@jhbyrianellewong4992 eh?
"😏 Gura"
"one two ten?" 😂🤣
Classic "Roman Struggling Against the Goths"
Should have seen my face looking up PhD requirements in Classics. “Working fluency in French and German for historical documents” bc by the time Medieval Latin came to be, the Goths had already taken over xD
@@simondeep what the hell are you talking about
In Germany:
1 = sehr gut / very good
2 = gut / good
3 = befriedigend / acceptable
4 = ausreichend / sufficient
5 = mangelhaft / poor
6 = ungenügend / insufficient
Highschool language classes are not great, unless you are motivated to study extra on your own. Which a lot of highschool students don't do.
Raora was thinking of something else but Kiara just went with it.
In german its:
1- perfect
2- very good
3-meh
4-just enough
5-failed
6-didnt even try
the worst you get is nearly always 5, the teacher tho can and will give you a 6 if you didnt try.
the final grade at the end of the year is the average of all grades
so a 6 is just extra punishment
And then there is Oberstufe for Abitur where all grades are 1-15 points. But it still correlates to 1 to 5, with 15 being a 1+, 14 a 1, 13 a 1- etc.
Some ppl in my high school didn't get their Abitur degree and needed to do it again due to getting a 6 in Sport
In germany its actually 1-6 (1 is best and there is +/-) from grade 1-10, but in Highschool from grade 11 onwards its 1-15 (15 is best) and then in University its 1,0 - 5,0 (1,0 is best, there is also decimal numbers X,3 & X,7 but 5,0 is the lowest you can get)
Getting a 2 or a 1 in high school in Italy means that you probably have failed that whole subject because at the end of the year the teacher calculates the average of all the grades you got in their class and a 2 can easily bring everything down to a 5. However, the teacher has some degrees of liberty to adjust final grade. Some are very strict and will calculate the exact number, others will maybe boost a 5 to a 6 if they saw you improve during the year and want to reward your efforts (they can also lower your grade if they think that you behaved bad in class or if you get too many non justified absences). I personally have seen teachers give plenty of 2s, usually when the student is completely silent during a or leaves a test blank.
Just thinking about the concept of failing a year and having to redo it still gives me so much anxiety and I don't even go to school anymore
sometimes its for the best. in america people graduate without being able to read.
1:14 I guess it depends on the state, but where I studied (North Germany), you had the right to three 5 marks in your report card, anything above that, you either have to repeat the class, or you may be moved to a lower education group. On the three school types in order from lowest to highest education: common school (Gesamtschule), main school (Hauptschule) and high school (Gymnasium), with some exceptions like upper schools (Oberschule) that educates children for both main and high school. I was in the high school group, so our grading was a bit stricter, thus other groups may have been different. Also, if you wanted to continue past 10th grade for higher education, you needed to have an overall score of at least 3.0 and had the right to one 5 in the exams for it. (This is only available for high school and upper school children who want to continue. The latter of which are moved to a special facility for it)
But doesn't germany use the grades from 1 to 6? Or is that regional as well
@@brotherman8873 6 exists and you can have one in your report card, but none for continued education after 10th grade. Also if you continously get 5s and 6es (even at the allowed rate), alternative education type may be discussed
@@mrgopnik5964 You are 100% not from northern Germany, lol.
@@InfiniteDeckhand wenn du aus Schleswig-Holstein kommst, dann nicht, aber sonst würde ich sagen dass Bremen ziemlich weit Norden liegt
@@mrgopnik5964 Für uns ist alles unterhalb von Hamburg nicht mehr Norddeutschland, also ja.
In Germany the higher grades of high school equivalents, years 11-13, swap from 1-6 to 0-15 with 15 being the best. It's because after ten years Germany considers pupils smart enough to handle double-digit numbers.
And those who still aren't smart enough at that point, also aren't gonna score in the double digits ;)
German grades in school for classes 1-10:
1 = sehr gut = very good - > usually means flawless, although some pedantic teachers might give you a 1-
2 = gut = good -> usually top 90 %, you did some minor errors
3 = befriedigend = satisfactory -> an average score - you got the gist but you still have issue with the topic
4 = ausreichend = sufficient -> a bad score, but still a pass - you barely understand the topic and need to do more
5 = mangelhaft = inadequate -> you didn't pass and you barely have a grasp of the topic, but you at least tried
6 = ungenügend = insufficient - > zero points - you turned in a blank sheet of paper or you didn't appear in class.
every grade between 2 and 4 usually can get a + or a - in front of it, meaning better or worse. So a 2+ is almost a 1 for example. And a 4- means you very barely made it. 1, 5 and 6 usually don't get a + or - because 1 already is perfect and 5 and 6 already is failed. Sometimes you see a 5+ in rare cases or a 1-, if the teacher thinks it's warranted somehow.
Each year you get a certificate with all your classes listed, and you usually are allowed to have a single 5 on it to pass. If you have 2x a 5 or 1x a 6 you usually don't pass the year and have to repeat. In some states and at some schools you can get special exams to redeem yourself though.
Also in classes 11-12 (or 13 in the past) the grades usually were turned into numbers from 0 to 15, so you can more easily calculate your score for the final Abitur.
So a grade could be sehr gut(14) or gut+(12) for example if I remember correctly. 4 was a ausreichend-, the least score you needed.
But every state and even some schools can have variances.
If I might add, the grades are not linear. I don't know if the percentages necessary for the grades are different depending on the federal state, but a 4 usually means more than 50% of total points.
In the 0-15 model, 5 points is the minimum passing grade.
From my experience/memory, you could definitely get a 6 even if you attend and write something, at least for subjects where the tests had (predefined) points per task; don't remember if I heard of a 6 for tests where there are no points i.e. where you had to write an essay.
And at my school, if you missed a test, you either had to retake it I believe (mostly just done for the more important, announced exams, we called "Schulaufgabe") or got a "mündliche Note" through active participation in class or a short oral examination about the last or last two classes ("Abfrage").
And yes, I'm from Bavaria
I mean she still speaks English pretty damn ok.
in Finland it's 4-10 since 4 is already a fail so everything below it is consolidated into 4
In Arab countries, every subject has its own grade: like math is 0-60, Physics 0-40, Biology 0-30, and to pass every subject individually you need to score 60% of the subject's score, and at the end there are 2 conditions of failing:
1. failing more than 2 subjects.
2. getting less than 60% of the sum of all subjects combined.
with this system some subjects weigh more than others, like Math contribute more than let's say social studies (60 vs 10 grades) so failing math is way worse than failing social studies because it contributes more to the final grade. I find it weird system but a clever one in some sense.
In the German school I went to, if you have two 5s or one 6 in your final grade then you have to repeat the year
Usually true, but you often get some chances like a special exam to turn one of the 5s into a 4.
Also you only get a 6 if you like never be present or in a test if you turn in a blank paper. If you are there and breathing, it's automatically at least a 5.
In Denmark we have -3 to 12. Yep, minus 3, although you only get that by not turning in the assignment. Goes -3, 00, 02, 4, 7, 10, 12.
What the fuck
Are you ok up there in the north?
At least in the case of Germany the marks are actually named and defined:
1 very good fulfills requirements in extraordinary fashion
2 good fullfills the requirements fully
3 satisfactory generally fulfills the requirements
4 sufficient shows gaps in proficiency, but just fulfills the requirements just about
5 inadequate does not fulfill the requirements, but shows signs that the necessary requirements can be fulfilled in foreseeable time
6 insufficient requirements are not fulfilled and it is unlikely to fulfill the base requirements in forseeable time. Also not taking the exam. Also cheating.
These marks can be modified with a + or - for inbetween steps.
Iirc if your school report shows a 6 you fail the year and you can settle up a 5 with a 1 or two 2. Two 5s also fail the year. Note that this is generally state related, so maybe one state handles this different from another. Also note that it has been well 20 years since I've been to school, things might have changed. Also this is basic school, i.e. grade 1 through 10. (though university prepareing grades 11 through 13 are essentially the same, just with 0 = 6 up to 15 being a 1+)
The reason for scores of 1 to 5 existing is to grade your failure to even get the bare minimum. I think the idea is to disuade the students from continuing that path by showing them how terrible their scores are. I am not sure if it really works, though.
in swiss u have 1 to 6 but the best is 6 and have half like 1.5 2.5 ...
edit: u need 4 to pass
Yeah the point of grades 1 to 10 is that you get the average at the end of the year.
If I do 5 test the whole year, get 4 - 4 - 6 - 8 - 8, the average is 6 so I barely passed, but still passed (and so on).
So even if in a test you get 4 and suck, you can still be good to pass the year if next test you get 8/10.
I am German so i can explain the 1-6 stuff. First of all we do a lot of "Tests" in each Category of curriculum we cover and you barely pass with a 48% which is most of the time a 4-. Then those lets say in each subject we do around 10-15 Tests a year + verbal interaction in the class + quizzes + homework. You get an average of all of those and thats your final grade at the end of year on your "Zeugnis" aka Certificate. You need to repeat with two 5s or one 6 but you can get as many 4s as you want (it doesnt look good on your "Abschlusszeugnis" tho so you should try to get good grades on your last Certificate)
Hope this helps and if you have questions ask away
As someone who speak french, i dont blame her for getting a 3. I mean, we have a whole dictionary for our verbs😅
italian is almost identical to french when it comes to grammar though. You just have to memorize the words again, but you don't have to figure out how it works. And most words have the same root. I speak both languages, and my native language is spanish. Italian is the most similar language to french. Out of country-languages that is, maybe catalan is closer.
I suspect Italy uses 1-10 because that can be directly mapped to a score percentage range.
The German and Austrian systems have an extra step in between. Grades 1-5 does not mean that you only need 20% to pass, but that anything below the failing threshold (like 50%) is a 5.
Germany has the additional grade 6 that is basically a "super fail" for students who did not just have insufficient understanding, but are truly hopeless or actively obstruct the class.
In my system, you would fail a year if you had a 5 in two classes or a 6 in just one class.
in Germany how it works is that 1-4 is a passing grade, 5 can be a passing grade under specific circumstances and 6 is a complete failure but it all depends on which subjects you got those grades in because they're valued differently.
if you get a 6 in german, maths, physics, chemistry, biology or english, you just fail.
if you get a 5 in german, maths, physics, chemistry, biology or english, you can still pass if you got a 3 in one of the others, if you got 4s in all of them and one 5, you fail, so you generally never fail the class just because you sucked at one thing, you'll have to either seriously fuck it up or just be bad across the board.
also the numbers aren't really what the grades are called, they're short for:
1- very good
2 - good
3 - satisfactory
4 - sufficient
5 - insufficient
6 - (heavily) flawed
This is the same as in Dutch uni then. 5.5 was a "just passing" grade (4- in Germany). 10 was best grade, 100% on the test.
Yes! In elementary and high school too, 10 is 100%, 5.5 is barely passing, everything less is insufficient. 1 is the worst. The fact we work with decimals too means that it's basically like 1.0 to 10.0 so you could get a 6.4, a 4.8 or a 7.3 or something like that very often.
well good thing Raora has CC and Wawa to help her learn German at least conversationally.
In Mexico is the same as in Italy, from 1 to 10 until high school and from 1 to 100 in university, basically because it's in percentage, and yes, I've seen people get 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4 (0, 10, 20, 30, 40 in uni) and it can completely ruin your final average, once in high school I got a 2.5 in an exam, and also in university I got a 40 in an exam, and both gave me problems
I did German for 4 years in school, but I transferred to the school a year AFTER the classes started for my grade. As a result, while I can recognise, pronounce and even remember some German words, I never quite grasped the basics, and never could accommodate for that shortfall of knowledge.
remembering me of Gura and Kobo moments 😂
In France it's 0-20 lol
I wonder whether it is related to why French numbers are maths exercises, 92=4*20+12
This is due to the vingesimal numeral system which was popular earlier, but the 0-20 grades were introduced only in 1890, so maybe it was just an arbitrary number in that context.
@@Ph34rNoB33r It is related, in the way it has the same roots. A lot of things were done in "base 20" and not in "base 10", in the military and in the selling sector. Which is why people say "une vingtaine de" for "around 20 of". It's like when TV people speaks of area comparing them to footall field, or volume with olympic swimming pool. For a lot of people you use something your imagination can grasp. And so for a very long time both base 10 and base 20 math existed in France. And a bit of base 6 :) And yeah, when rating, people were like "10 is not a large enough scale to be precise on the grade". and if you were educated in France, somztime you had 10.5/20 or 16.25/20 as grades, as people want a large scale to rate the grades.
Ooh. Rrraorra's explanation is the same as we do here in Mexico.
Italy ---> Spain ---> Mexico
Here we have a 1 to 7, you pass with a 4. I always thought it was s weird system
Do you fail with 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7 then?
Really? In my country we have one to twenty
What country is that?
I've always thought that 0 through 10 (or 0 through 100, basically the same) was the most common system.
I have no knowledge of how it is done in other countries, but in Brazil we have 4 exam periods throughtout the year and then we get the average at the end. In all the places I have studied an average of 7 was the requirement to pass. So you can basically get any score on the tests as long as you meet the criteria at the end of the year.
In Germany a 4 (50%) is a pass 5 is a fail.
Some classes you can fail some you must pass with at least a 4.
I got my degree by mostly getting 4,0
yeah, I remember a 1 being "very good", 2 "good", 3 "average" or something along those lines, and I think 4 being "satisfactory", while 5 and 6 were just "bad" and "fail" respectively.
Although noteably, in the higher grades and especially for the final highschool exams, it switches/runs alongside a point-system 1 to 100 iirc that just straight up reflects your results.
@@Justic_
1 = sehr gut = very good - > usually means flawless, although some pedantic teachers might give you a 1-
2 = gut = good -> usually top 90 %, you did some minor errors
3 = befriedigend = satisfactory -> an average score - you got the gist but you still have issue with the topic
4 = ausreichend = sufficient -> a bad score, but still a pass - you barely understand the topic and need to do more
5 = mangelhaft = inadequate -> you didn't pass and you barely have a grasp of the topic, but you at least tried
6 = ungenügend = insufficient - > zero points - you turned in a blank sheet of paper or you didn't appear in class.
every grade between 2 and 4 usually can get a + or a - in front of it, meaning better or worse. So a 2+ is almost a 1 for example. And a 4- means you very barely made it. 1, 5 and 6 usually don't get a + or - because 1 already is perfect and 5 and 6 already is failed. Sometimes you see a 5+ in rare cases or a 1-, if the teacher thinks it's warranted somehow.
Well, if 1 to 10's so surprising, where I live it's usually 01 to 60 considering the annual grades and large tests, 60 being best and 01 being worst. Anything below 29,5 is failed since that's rounded up to 30.
Though for smaller tests, different numbers may be used, most commonly 01 to 20, 01 to 30 and 01 to 40.
I had 3 years of Italian in highschool. I was really bad but now I try to hold on to the bit I can with Duolingo, but I have family there so I have training partners if I want.
Obligatory: where's 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9?
0:00 Where's the rest of 'em?
I only know understand that she meant grading like a paper not as in the grade someone is in like k-12
the funny part is the description every grade gets in terms of explanations behind each of them. Lots of reasons, many of which are very alike, especially between closer grades, but then what matters is whether you're at least sufficient, good or great
Context: 1 to 10 is only during Middle School and High School, when in university grades go from 0 to 30 (plus 30 and "Lode" wich is basically 31) usually 25 to 30 is a good grade, but it depends on you, you can also reject the grade and come back again to do the same exam
When i went to school, it was A-F with a very strict system where one F on any assignment or test meant that you could not pass
If you got an E in an assignment, that meant that your top grade for that subject was a D
I know 3 of the 6 people in my year (in the entire country) that got an A on an entire course. One madwoman managed to get A on 2 courses and might be on her way to a nobel prize as we speak
technically in the last 3 years of german high school, grades 11 to 13, The scoring changes and we switch to a point system, where 15 is maximum points and equates to a 1+. These grades are not mandatory anymore and only need to be completed if you want to attain the Abitur, or Allgemeine Hochschulreife, which enables you to go to university.
Interesting, in Sweden we have -, F, E, D, C, B, A where "-" is you weren't at school, F is fail, E is pass, C is very good, A is extremely good, with D and B being inbetween. Correlates to scores E: 10, D: 12,5, C: 15, B: 17.5, A:20 which is used when you apply for the equivalent of highschool(can get up to 320 points), and then in High school it's the same but you apply to universities with your average grade(can get up to 22 or maybe 22.5, dont rememeber. All A's gives you 20, + 2 (or 2.5) extra merit). And then at Uni it's 0, 3, 4, 5 (fail, pass, pass with credit, pass with distinction) But the Swedish system is kinda weird in how much effort is required to get the higher grades, it's a kinda shit system ngl
in Sweden we got A B C D E F, where F is fail and E is you passed
In England back when I went to school we had A*, A, B, C, D, E, F, U. U was 'ungraded', E was a pass. If you took the higher grade tests C was a pass.
I think England has moved to the numerical system similar to the one Kiara mentioned
In America we just skip the E, so D and F are the two lowest grades. I'm not sure why it's like that either. Though still not as strange as S being the highest grade in some cases, which seems to be the case in most video games.
@@GawainWMaybe the E got misinterpreted as Excellent by some less educated folk? Just the first thing that came to my mind.
i got a 2 one time because i straight up didn't turn in assignments for a week 😂
In SEA, we mostly go by grades. you want to see P for 50% but as long as you pass the majority of your subjects you can go to the next year. Year 11 is where you have the standard exams that determine your final grade and what you can study in university
Afaik in germany you still pass with a 4, 5 is like you don't pass, but at least you tried and 6 is like you didn't even try...or you cheated and got caught.
In the Oberstufe (grade 10 and higher in Gymnasium) the grading system changes and you have 0-15 with 15 as the highest and 0 as the lowest, which is closer to what Raora talks about. You can still convert to the other grades tho, like 15 is a 1+, 14 is a 1, 13 is a 1- etc. and then 1 is a 5- and 0 is just a 6. So you'd need at least a 4 to pass.
here in argentina we also have 1 to 10, and i got many 1s in the past, its not that difficult. Just hand over the blank exam to the teacher and wait outside
France is 1 to 20, 11 is the minimum to pass
0 to 20, no ? Or did they changed it ?
@@Ryolith You can get 0/20 but it's quite rare happens only if you do not give back a class assignment or leave a exam copy where you didnt write anything, you can also get 0 if you have all wrong on an interrogation but its quite rare and it depends of the teacher
In Hungary we have 1 to 5, 4-5 you're a good student, 2-3 you're a bad student, 1 you fail the class and may have to repeat the year. You technically still pass with a 2 but you rarely ever see it, it usually means it could've been a 1 but the teacher showed mercy.
Sometimes I wonder....did they actually reform the education system since 1919? Because in Austria, the only difference is that good students get a 1, while 5 is a fail.
Well it is very easy Raora. In Italy they say "ciao" and in Austria they say "tschau". Totally different.
Context about 1 to 6 systems grading this happens twice with Gura and Kobo first Gura 1 to 5 and where the rest and Kobo what and what turn to jokes and having deja vu from kiara
I'm from Costa Rica but maybe some Latin American countries use the same system, I'm not sure.
Here we have from 0 to 100, in primary school you can pass if you get a 65 and in high school it's 75. As Raora said, all the grades are added up so you can fail an exam but you can pass if you get better grades in the next ones (There are 3 exams, one each trimester. Homework and other work also count towards your final grade.)
Same in Honduras. From 0 to 100, passing with 60, but 75 being the required for the final average.
lmao i thought they meant like how many grade levels were there in elementary school not actual grades for the longest time
Austria only has 1-5 with everything except 5 being a pass is because there is no spectrum of failure.
It depends on the school and teacher, but a 5 is usually getting under 60% of points on a test. Sometimes it's under 50%.
5 is "Nicht Genügend" so literally "Not enough"
4 is "Genügend" which literally translates to "Enough" is given when the minimum passing requirements are fulfilled.
3 is "Befriedigend", "Satisfactory", which means the student did what is expected of him.
2 is "Gut", "Good" means the student exceeded expectations.
1 is "Sehr Gut", "Very Good" means the student is far beyond expectations.
"what's the point of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 if you don't pass?" Depends on the school, some schools give different weights to different tests as the year passes and by the end of the year you get an average of your score through the whole year. Say the school splits the exams in 3 trimesters, so to pass you technically just need an 18 total score (18/3=6), say you get a 7 in the first trimester and then a 5 in the second one, to pass with the minimum score you need a 6. Another example, you can get a 7, but then you did poorly and got a 2, you still has a chance - before finals - to pass if you get at least a 9. The schools can be pretty lenient and give the students several opportunities to pass, they just have to study.
a dude in my school, in the first test in latin of the 1st year of highschool, got a -9 (minus nine) which was adapted to 3 of course
German do be like that. I've wasted 7 years of my life on that language, and I don't remember a thing.
Actually in my class it happened to some of my classmates to get 1,2. Even not classifiable but that's when the teacher hates you so much that they won't let you succeed in their subject. The grades in Italy works with the arithmetic mean; so everytime you do a test or an interrogation through the year, the grade of those tests will add to the mean. At the end of the year the arithmetic mean has to be at least 6. So now you get it that when they give you everything below 4, it means no matter how good you are going to be in the next texts, you automatically failed.
Some people wonder why ,most of us Italians student through school life, we had at least one mental breakdown
Sounds a lot like American percentage scores divided by 10
I took Spanish for 6 and a half years in junior high and high school, and i don't remember anything.
france have 0 to 20 :)
Someone once told me your teachers don't give a perfect score even if you get all answers correct in a test, is that true?
That depend of your teacher or the school subject. I used to have a lot of 20 in math and sciences. Sometime I got bonus points too.
@@ginteloph So there isn't a standard? What kind of subjects would follow that pattern? Also, by bonus points you could get a score over 20/20? Or something like "oh you got a 19/20, but since you answered the bonus question you'll get a bonus point and score a 20/20"?
@@LuizFelipe-lk1hsIt is true for most teachers.
There is a whole cultural mental block, where they think that if they give a perfect score to a student, they'll inevitably become lazy and stop working. So they take out 1 or 2 points arbitrarily (equivalent of 5 to 10 points on 100 scoring system).
Grades are also used as a discipline tool, so if you goof around too much, a teacher can punish you by grading you more harshly.
So if you get a perfect score, many teachers are worried you'll stop respecting the rulers and become disorderly. So they avoid giving a perfect score as much as they can.
There is also the culture that any perfect score means the test was too easy and doesn't represent any respectable work, so a perfect score is seen by many parents and teachers as meaningless and a waste of their attention.
Gotta love the toxic culture of grading in France: pushing millions of students into failure and self-esteem issues for the last 300 years.
@@TubeofDestiny That is so unfair, and so ironic how students that went through this system become teachers and perpetuate it. Kinda like a cycle of hatred "I went through this BS, so so will my students"
Can someone explain to me what does kiara mean by "grades"?
I always thought they mean grade 1 = first year of school (like 6/7 years old)
grade 2 = 2nd year
all the way till like 17-18 when you graduate and go adulting....
now theyre talking about GETTING grades? HUH? so this whole time did kiara mean "test scores" ? im so confused
The grading scale. In the US we use a percentile based grading system i.e. 1-100%.
@@kill1337spek doesn't U.S. use letters A-F excluding E? we use 1-10 here too and it was very intuitive because 10 was basically 95% and up, 8 was 85-94% etc.
@@orlagh277A-F corresponds to percentages.
90-100 = A
80-90 = B
70-80 = C
65-70 = D
In US grades are basically like the tier list system without the S tier. You pass the class, unless you receive an F tier grade.
in my language, grades has 2 meanings like you said, for years in school and for score, im not sure it works like that in your situation
Here in Spain we have 1 to 10 or, more exactly, 0 to 10.
Me abouta comment about the 1 to 100 scale but tbh, it's just a 1-10 scale with more numbers
Yeah japan has that, for france, it's 0 to 20
In the Netherlands we use a 1-100 scale in the shape of a 1-10 scale by having a single decimal after the point. So 5.5 is a passing grade as it rounds up to 6
@@TehNSF oh we also use decimals, but only (well generally) in 0.5 increments
0:45 I once got 1 here in Italy for Biology, for context I was doing a business highschool so you tell me why does a businessman need to know about biology. In fact I failed twice in a row cuz of biology and chemistry and because of a rule that doesn't allow you to repeat the same year more than once I got expelled. Now I'm doing a highschool to be an electrician at night while in the morning I do more meaningful stuff.
Edit: you can still pass with 4 but they will have you come on August to take an exam on that subject, I don't exactly remember the specifics but I think it's up to 2 subjects so if you have 3 subjects below 5 you don't pass the year, 2 subjects below 5 but above 2 they're gonna have you take a test (I took one in biology sinc ei had an average of 3 and chemistry where I had an average of 5, suffice to say I failed biology so I failed the year) in the end it's all about how the professors feel. If they think you can do it they probably will ask you to do the exams at August.
A 5 wouldn't make you pass in german.
When i had the final exam as a trainee they made it in procentuals and i think 60 % was the limit to pass. That's no different to the italian.
Norway is 1-6, with 6 being best, and 2 is barely passing.
1 to 20 in my country
In Denmark its -3 , 00, 02, 4, 7, 10 and 12. 02 being a pasing grade and -3 being if you dident show ud basicly
was about to comment this exactly.
It's like how the US does 0- 100 where 70 is generally the minimum for passing in highschool everything below 70 is just to let you know exactly how bad you did. Universities in the US usually require a 60 or higher to pass except in specific degrees or cases where potentially a 70 or somethimes even higher is required for a specific program to be considered passing.
In STEM you can get a degree with a C but it depends on the course or if you are in nursing/medical. In graduate school anything less the a B means you failed the class.
@@cupof_jo924 ohh that's interesting but makes sense. music undergrad required 70's for music core classes and sometimes higher for specific classes. I did do a bit of music grad school (life stuff got in the way unfortunately - mental health fortunately), but I don´t remember if they required b's or higher.
I have family in Italy and I never understood why they don't use the chance that they have a even number to say from 1 completely failed to 10 100% of all points. So that they could give you clearer grades.
In Chile it's 1-7. With 4 being the minimum to pass and 7 being the best, and it uses decimals. Most teachers seem unaware that 1-7 is only 6 slots, it's basically the same as 0-6. So they tend to make 7 questions where each is worth one point, which means if you get only one right it's the same as if you got none.
In honduras we go from 0 to 100.
0 being the worst and 100 being perfect score.
60 being the minimum to pass, but if the average is below of 75, then you have to do some extra work to bring it up.
France 0 to 20 bruh. usually 13 is good enough
For 3 years... I thought they were talking about how many years in elementary school.... not a grading system...
Wtf me too, I might dumber than gura...
lol, this explains why i feel something wrong in those clip's comment section.
6 years of elementary school?
And what finish university with 30?
(Ok some do that)
@@Kalenz1234 Some enter university with 30, some older. It's not like you're forced to do university right after school, you can pursue a higher degree of education at any point you want.
If you're curious about how long elementary school actually lasts in Germany, it's 4 years. There's also pre-school that kids will sometimes go to for a year between kindergarten and elementary school, but from my experience it's not that common so most kids just have those 4 years before they move on to middle/highschool (the German school-system rolls them both into one).
so why doesnt everyone just uses percentages lol. like everyone knows what a percentage is but you still have these arbitrary numbers that mean nothing
Idk. Where I live we were graded on a scale of 1-4. Halfway through middle school they added 5. But as soon as I started high-school, everyone used percentages.
@@tetsuc4bra577 yeah they could easily just use percentages for all schooling but nah, i guess 6 year olds can't comprehend large numbers or something
Tbh German have one of the hardest languages to learn
We have 0 to 100 in my country.
Wht about us. In Indonesian 0-100 🤣
Komen lu malu maluin
2:11 XD
Ok I am WAY more confused now. I always though Kiara and Gura were talking about grades like... like 1st grade, 2nd grade, whatever. Elementary school years. Not grading scale 0-100
Me too I was confused as I am Italian as well and I was like "raora wtf are you saying"
Wait....is ABC not universal??? Wow i never knew lol
Same *Cries in American*
We Italians are not Americans
Lmao no lil bro the entire world is not America, hard pill to swallow I know
Naaah some countries like to use 1 to 100 for grades. I’m assuming that might be for most countries in Asia.
They have letters under them like S for Satisfactory, but we rarely pay attention those.
(Passing Grade: 75. Or still depends)
I don't remember if they finaly did it in France, there were talks of adopting the ABC grading to discourage students. Usually our tests are graded from 1 to 20
That's so weird. Seems to be a very convoluted system coming from a place where 0 to 10 is the norm. 5 usually being the minimum required to pass and 7 being a good grade. In my college an 8 means you don't need to do the final exam.
How do you get an average? If someone got three sixes and a one, what's their final grade in Wawa's system? Do they still pass? Feels like the whole A+ to F- american system again. xD
Here it is also from 1 to 10, but if you want to pass, you need at least a seven. There are three quarters. When you add up all the grades from the three quarters and divide by 3, if you get less than 7, you have to repeat the year. Mind you, not every school uses this system. I think only the private ones does.
I am German so i can explain the 1-6 stuff. First of all we do a lot of "Tests" in each Category of curriculum we cover and you barely pass with a 48% which is most of the time a 4-. Then those lets say in each subject we do around 10-15 Tests a year + verbal interaction in the class + quizzes + homework. You get an average of all of those and thats your final grade at the end of year on your "Zeugnis" aka Certificate. You need to repeat with two 5s or one 6 but you can get as many 4s as you want (it doesnt look good on your "Abschlusszeugnis" tho so you should try to get good grades on your last Certificate)
Hope this helps and if you have questions ask away
Austrian here. Four tests with four marks each, you calculate the average and round it up or down. Teachers always said homeworks and presentations mattered but it rarely did. My italian profession just didn't give a fuck if you didn't do your homework.
I wanted kiara repeated exactly how she tell gura back then to see if anyone responded the same as gura. "German has 1 2 3 4 5 6 grade. FUN FACT in Austria the grade is 1 to 5 but in German is 1 to 6" is how it goes if i'm not mistaken... 😂😂
So actually we have 15 in Germany
You mean the grading scale?
Usually 0 to 15 (15 best) in the upper grades.
1 to 6 (1 best) in the lower ones, sometimes modified with a small plus (good) or minus (bad) to indicate you're close to another one.
And we usually translate everything to the 1-6 scale *eventually*, like after calculating the average grade.
Of course details differ depending on the state, as we have 16 education systems, loosely coupled so you're not completely screwed if you move from one state to another.
Indonesia is essy speak, not need certified😅
0--20 in France ,0-10 and 0-5 exist too but 0-20 most frequently ,so when it's 0-10/0-5 ,you automatically convert to a 0-20 version (Imagine you get a 3,5/5 ,you automatically convert it to a 7/10 ,then to a 14/20 in your head) ,there is also the extremely rare 0-15 (But in that case ,it happens because the teacher didn't have enough creativity to create the questions for the remaining 5 points)
Edit :Getting a 8/20 make you barely pass ,10/20 is what the average should be ,12/20 is considered "Satisfactory" ,14/20 is considered "Good" and a 16/20 (Or more) is "Very Good" (And non-official ,18/20 would be considered "Excellent" while 20/20 would be "Perfect"
2/5 -> 4/10 -> 6/15 -> 8/20 -> 40/100
2,5/5 -> 5/10-> 7,5/15 -> 10/20 -> 50/100
3/5 -> 6/10 -> 9/15 -> 12/20 -> 60/100
3,5/5 -> 7/10 -> 10,5/15 -> 14/20 -> 70/100
4/5 -> 8/10 -> 12/15 -> 16/20 -> 80/100
4,5 /5 -> 9/10 -> 13,5/15 -> 18/20 -> 90/100
5/5->10/10 -> 15/15 -> 20/20 -> 100/100
There was that one time where I got a 30/20 on a test in History-Geography (In French ,we abreviate it as Histoire-Géo) ,in France ,our History class and our Geography class are fused together (And taught by the same teacher) ,we go in the classroom ,,take our seat ,each seat as a colour assigned (Green or Red, and your neighbor would have the colour you didn't get) ,then on the whitebord would be the name of 20 countries (10 in each colour) ,on the test ,there was 2 exercise ,on the front page ,a map of Europe where we have to name the countries assigned with each colour ,and on the back side ,for the history part of the test ,we had to write an essay (I forgot what the subject was for that) each exercise was noted 0-10 ,the thing is ... that except for very few exception (very small island nations in the Caribbean and the Pacific) ,I can place every countries on the world map ,so I place my 10 countries in like 20 seconds then I decide to flex and place the 10 of the other groups ,and then after that I did the remaining of the countries anyways (The map would go south enough that you could see Northern Africa ,Saudi Arabia ,and East enough to see Pakistan ,Afghanistan and Uzbekistan) .I got 20/10 on this exercise (Well atleast the teacher gave me point for the other groups ,but not for the countries that weren't on the test) ,and got an 10/10 on the essay . I believe the reason he gave me 20/10 was that I scored 10/10 on the essay and my 30/20 was most likely registered as a 20/20 anyways (So whether I get 10/10 or 20/10 on the map wouldn't matter ,if I got 9,5/10 or lower on the essay ,he would have just put a 10/10 for the map ,well he wrote a 30/20 on my test paper ,but on the computer probably inputted a 20/20).
And here what I can place on the level of countries subdivisions (Can place 100% of them)
Regions (And their divisions) ,States and Territories of the USA
Regions ,States and Territories of Canada
States and Territories of Australia
Provinces of Indonesia
Regions of Singapore
Regions of Thailand
Provinces of North Korea
Regions of India
Provinces of Sri Lanka
Provinces of Pakistan
Provinces of South Africa
Provinces of Sierra Leone
Regions of France (Old and New)
Regions of England
Provinces of Ireland
Autonomous Communities of Spain
Regions of Portugal
Regions of Italy
Regions of Greece
Regions and Provinces of Belgium
Provinces of the Netherlands
Länders of Germany
Regions of Denmark
Voîvodeships of Poland
Oblasts of Belarus
Regions of Slovakia
States of Austria
Cantons of Switzerland
The worst grade I ever got was a 1.5 and my friend got a 1.0 on that same test. If I remember correctly it was a french test.
5 point scales are better because there is no 50% for fence sitters. You either pass or you fail. The movie is either good or bad. Whenever people use 10 point scales to rate media, they never use the first 5 points anyway so its essentially a 5 point scale, except you have no idea what the difference between a 3/10 and a 2/10 is when it does get used.
1 to 10 gives a more accurate gpa, and the possibility to skip some exams if you overperform.
also, even though im against it, most people use 1/2 stars to rate movies nowadays, so it ends up being 1 to 10 as well
french has 1 to 20 with 1 being the best and 20 being equivalent to an 6-
expliquer le système de notes en France c'est difficile x)
so… you pass no matter what?
@@Ballistic477 No you pass if you get over 10 in most cases. In reality, there's often a "no 20" implicit rule that means that you can't reach perfection and as you go up in grade this ceiling tend to go down. In university, I've heard of professor that think that giving 13 is the informal ceiling, the 10 floor is still in effect mind you. You also have cases where teachers give negative points, so you can reach a negative score on a test mostly on "Dictée" which is a spelling test for a whole text. I also had to take a final where good answer were given a point and bad answer one negative point, starting from zero. There's a lot of freedom in how teachers can construct their point system but at the end of the day if you get over 10 you pass. Applications to some curriculum might need better scores.
@@Ballistic477 No, passing is really hard actually. It's like they don't want you to.
In Denmark we have -3 00 02 4 7 10 and 12
Yeah but france sucks and danish is a territory of france.