Blehtubezz Aus thank you I was explain this to someone else , but the point flew right over his head , on a stretch it becomes a drag race where unfortunately big power will take the lead or at the very least close whatever gap you opened prior yo that corner, but on the corners that lighter chassis , better grip will haul ass on you on entering and existing those corners resulting in an unexpected gap, some people just don't understand
n/a is God turbos.are for people who don't truelly know how to build and tune a real motor. I haven't got more than 1 lap in yet but I'm expecting a 280hp N/a Civic to totally rip on a 400 F/I Silvia that's not even a question
@@ericdrisgula3879 turbos give volumetric efficiency - i.e. they effectively increases the theoretical size of the engine using boost.... they use them in f1 and they definitely know about building and tuning real motors.. with built internals, boost from an efficient turbo, and supporting mods you can get a 2.0 turbo to 600bhp, its done often enough its almost a banality, whereas that's practically impossible on a 2.0NA.. heck, getting 300bhp out of a 2.0NA is almost a small miracle..
+Ivan Nosic, you have to factor in that the Civic's gearbox and gear ratios were very well suited for the low-speed course like Ebisu. The Silvia on the other hand was geared more for a high-speed course.
+ChrisCas aka Superautobacs they are geared according to their specific output thats why turbo is longer in order to make better use of its power band thats it!
Ivan Nosic According to the video, the Civic was geared to suit Ebisu, while the Silvia wasn't. I'm sure the final drive ratio on the civic was much more suited to this course than say, Sugo.
I know a guy who has done maybe 5000 km driving in shit boxes under 120 hp plays forza a lot but thinks hes a real expert but I seen him drive wheel and sux dick cant even shift a manual and cant even do paddle shift manaual LOLLOL egos man egos , the ego is stongest when someone is worthless and sees other around him excel that's when the puffy chest comes out of the shit cunts
That was a great run. That N/A Civic gave that Boosted silvia hell. Good weight/power distro between the two. Silvia just had a bit more up top thanks to the spoolie boi.
The Silvia was sandbagging when it stayed behind the civic. They do this to make it interesting. It could have run away and hide from the civic, but what fun is that.
Put the same box in the Silvia with the same gear ratios and it'll likely be battling with traction loss, especically at corner exits, unless traction control is setup.
I really enjoyed this video. All your Honda vids Miroshi-san make me long for my old modded '89 CRX. I have had modded NA and turbo cars but the fast NA ones are special when done right :)
thanks miroshi for upload. drift king very good race driver and friendly funny guy. he drove fr cars and civics fwd very well. which car he drove on each show the win stake is high depend on competition car spec. i like to watch him drive. aggressive n funny. keiichi san is legend
This vid just inspired me to get my eg8 back on the track! It's not the typical or first option for track cars but I love it even more as its unique. Thanks for the post!
the 4dr has a longer wheelbase so its more stable, and its still every bit as capable. I love the idea of a fast 4dr though, I want to build one up with a turbo and awd
watching this video makes me hope one day FIA made WTCC and GT racing series would be as decent as this, knowing there are different engine aspirations in this demo battle video. quite nice stuff
as the popularity for turbos go up, this is a good video. I really am biased, because I love forced induction over n/a, but even I know that nothing is perfect. Drags, tracks, drifting, and everything else determines performance based on what you are planning on doing. This is great video showing that turbos aren't always the answer.
Yea yeah. The Silvia won. But if your looking at skills. It was most definitely the Honda. Also don’t forget the Honda is also a lightweight fwd car. They’re both light cars but the lines where incomparable. That was a awesome race. Wish I could see more like this on television
The Silvia was obviously sand bagging it the first few laps to make it more exciting..The Turbos torque makes a huge difference , especially a circuit like this.Having said that Tsuchiya is an amazing driver. A true legend
Takashi must have made a mistake in the uphill section, that allowed Tsuchiya to overtake the Silvia in the first round. In the other laps the Silvia was clearly faster in the uphill section. Or he made very good use of the slipstream.
+Steffen kawa I believe Takashi did it on purpose because the race will lose its interest,, don't forget it is a tv show after all ;) And don't forget if you watch best motoring they tend to favor Honda cars since Tsuchiya and other drivers of BM work for Honda ;)
No no the are all serious race drivers BMI /HV would never do that;). Nah, you are probaly spot on, sometimes i don't consider the most logical solution.^^
+Niko DemonZ yeah i was like as if the civic caught up and made that much head room on an uphill against a turbo. the silvia had already shown the fact that it had faster acceleration on the flat
The silvia rwd had a more ideal line when he attacked on the outside of the hairpin but this lead to the fwd civic taking the inside which overtook the silvia. I think takashi might have tried to counter DK by doing a slow entry to a fast exit but failed and went too wide. Also, DK capitilized from the moment he had the inside line.
Hayai DemoN these are all hardened veteran professional drivers. Not a single one of them will give a inch away to anyone. They all consider themselves as the very best of the best and all want to win.
hate to say but civic wins no matter what .. look at the hp. difference and civic still on his ass. if he had another 50 hp . he would of wrecked the silvia.. lmao.. love the Silvia though I had one.. btw civic was driven by the drift king ;)
Did the civic cross the finish line first? No. It didn't win first. HOWEVER, I totally agree that it is a beast and should never be looked down upon. The silvia is a fast car, but the civic driver DK is a faster driver.
The Civic is beast, but not really wins this. Had the race be 2 or 3 laps longer the Silvia will run far away. You can easily see 2 laps before the end. DK already struggling with front end grip resulting him understeering and missing corner apex constantly. While the Silvia still holds its line perfectly.
@@saifuddinudin1748 Even if the Civic has 400hp. It still doesn't answer high tyre wear which leads to understeering problem. Again had this race we're longer and involve tyre wear even if it had 400hp. The Civic would be half lap behind.
I love RWD to the point that i bought an FRS, but i'm a firm believer in weight>power. These cars both have superb handling, so i'll forget that factor, even though they were close enough it could've been a game changer. That 240 must have felt like a boat compared to the Honda.
F1 cars has turbo in the 80s and they have turbos now. It will help you get out of the tight curves, just a bit of a twitch in the process. Rally cars with Group B and Group A , some of them were fitted with turbos and still good on corners.
Hero racing cars with a beautiful sunset/sunrise orange sky on a twìsty astroturf tracks with practically nonexistent run off in front of the armco.... ahh this to me is a typical motorsport 90's exhibition 👌
Now I get this video recommended. Anyways, talk about turbo lag. All that deceleration and acceleration heats up that turbo pretty quick and the intercooler takes a bit to respond in a track that has twisties in a straight 1320 feet is a different story. All motor seem to respond better because it has less heat and no turbo lag because it has no turbo. This videos are very entertaining to watch and educational at the same time. No Wonder why they put V8s in the GTR in the supercars race.
Ivan Nosic boosting a car is not as easy as it may sound. Yes you more hp per money you spent but to have a reliable and yet responsive boosted engine, it requires lots of time tinkering with the settings and suitable parts.
Is the old time sequential gearbox require engage clutch to downshift? I see modern race car with sequential gearbox they dont need to do that, only use clutch on static launch.
Yeah you pretty much are right. New and modern sequential transmission, cut ignition whenever the shifter goes for the next gear. Back then it wasn't as advanced.
5:12 What happened here, he went off the throttle twice and then pushed the clutch in while upshifting. Could he not get it in gear without the clutch?
Close. He releases the throttle so there is no load on the gears and they can disengage(they are designed to lock themselves while at load). For some reason he couldn't get it out of gear i guess and had to use the clutch.
Surely the 1.6 engine from the Fiesta st deserves an honourable mention? People have pushed over 400bhp on stock internals which is very impressive in my eyes when standard its less than 200.
And how long did it last? Sure you could get 300K miles out of it if you never take it to the track or run it into boost but if you're a serious competitor you're going to spend more money rebuilding it than if you had just gone with a larger motor & less boost or had just built the engine before extracting big power. Making power is one thing, making power reliably is another.
john jackson Stock internals for 400 bhp on a 1.6? Not even conrods??? Sure??? I doubt so... conrods are the most usual change on turbo engines when pushing them beyond certain point (torque), this is, Stage 3 engines with bigturbo
john jackson so then the sohc and dohc 1.6L from honda deserve mentioning as well. There's 500 plus horsepower b16a engines on stock block and stick port head
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Do you know what kind of motor is In the civic ? B series seems far fetched
Well i imagine it isnt a d series lol.
@@supahflict check out speedfactory's civic with the B20.
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Nope its junk, the tool that is
This is pure gold. I wish there were shows like this nowadays
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Holyshit that footworks were fuckin awesome
Krisna Chandra sequential trans
@@connoisseuroftigolbitts he's a driving legend too
How come the Civic doesn't use the clutch for upshifts??
@@0zone247 Its running a sequential transmission
@@stevEN-es7pd but he still uses the clutch for downshifts, wouldn't upshifting like that cause wear?
These guys are driving gods
agreed the footwork is great that a result of training every single day for 20 years +
Augusto Ortiz its like dancing with that pedal work
Footcam and shifting from 3:43 onwards is amazing.
They have some nasty skills brother.
"Damn, what a serious driving!"
Never thought I'd see an EG sedan racecar but that thing hauls ass.
It's one of the Group A racers in JTCC.
The mg zs 180 was baced in it as well and they raced in the btcc
Actually its the 2.0L NA class that later became the FIA Supertouring class.
I'm definitely in the NA camp. Big power alone won't always win races
Blehtubezz Aus thank you I was explain this to someone else , but the point flew right over his head , on a stretch it becomes a drag race where unfortunately big power will take the lead or at the very least close whatever gap you opened prior yo that corner, but on the corners that lighter chassis , better grip will haul ass on you on entering and existing those corners resulting in an unexpected gap, some people just don't understand
If it’s endurance I’ll take the NA all day
n/a is God turbos.are for people who don't truelly know how to build and tune a real motor. I haven't got more than 1 lap in yet but I'm expecting a 280hp N/a Civic to totally rip on a 400 F/I Silvia that's not even a question
@@ericdrisgula3879 turbos give volumetric efficiency - i.e. they effectively increases the theoretical size of the engine using boost.... they use them in f1 and they definitely know about building and tuning real motors.. with built internals, boost from an efficient turbo, and supporting mods you can get a 2.0 turbo to 600bhp, its done often enough its almost a banality, whereas that's practically impossible on a 2.0NA.. heck, getting 300bhp out of a 2.0NA is almost a small miracle..
@@ericdrisgula3879 wut.
This is new video, enjoy. That Civic is a monster.
it is very enjoyable
Im %100 agree and there was 120hp diff. and still the N/A gave such a fight head to head
+Ivan Nosic, you have to factor in that the Civic's gearbox and gear ratios were very well suited for the low-speed course like Ebisu. The Silvia on the other hand was geared more for a high-speed course.
+ChrisCas aka Superautobacs they are geared according to their specific output thats why turbo is longer in order to make better use of its power band thats it!
Ivan Nosic According to the video, the Civic was geared to suit Ebisu, while the Silvia wasn't. I'm sure the final drive ratio on the civic was much more suited to this course than say, Sugo.
I like that it is the 4-door standard Civic and not the Type R version! :D
Max McThunder eg never had a type r xD but yep it's cool to see it's just a normal sedan
They have SiR eg if that’s what you’re speaking.
They don’t make type r egs
Bub there isnt a type r for eg civics, type r for civic only started in 97 with the ek9 but there is a eg6 SiR
A type-r eg would've been kinda cool tho
"fwd can't corner"
yeah, right
said by all shit drivers around the world
who played forza LOL
I know a guy who has done maybe 5000 km driving in shit boxes under 120 hp plays forza a lot but thinks hes a real expert but I seen him drive wheel and sux dick cant even shift a manual and cant even do paddle shift manaual LOLLOL egos man egos , the ego is stongest when someone is worthless and sees other around him excel that's when the puffy chest comes out of the shit cunts
that english
sweeeeeeeett people say it way too often. where have you been?
this video makes me very happy ,thank you for sharing MIROSHI .!!! 2 thumbs up !!!
+Rodman8500 Same here, I also have an eg8
That was a great run. That N/A Civic gave that Boosted silvia hell. Good weight/power distro between the two. Silvia just had a bit more up top thanks to the spoolie boi.
The Silvia was sandbagging when it stayed behind the civic. They do this to make it interesting. It could have run away and hide from the civic, but what fun is that.
Spoolie boi. Lol
Vanessa. What kind of weed do you smoke? The Siliva gapped the civic on the second lap. Or did you not watch the whole video?😆😆
@@conradsealy9603 falso el civic es superior , tenía menos caballaje, que pasaría si los dos tuvieran la misma potencia 😂
I keep finding myself coming back to this video every so often.
That civic is crazy bonkers
You are a gift from god. Thank you for these videos
that gearbox from the civic cost more than 2 cars xD
I'm glad someone else noticed... put the same box in the silvia and it might be a different story
+pauline doherty Put a turbo on the civic and it might be a different story.
Put the same box in the Silvia with the same gear ratios and it'll likely be battling with traction loss, especically at corner exits, unless traction control is setup.
Porsche wrecks these shit boxes what is it 6 47 ring ahaha these shit boxes wouldn't break 8
+wiredsk8r stupid comment... These will easily break 8s and the average Porsche gets no where near low 7s.
This is the reason why I still have my eg8 4dr after all these years!
What engine.
@@801bear5 must be a single cam
So like, is nobody gonna talk about that amazing start at 1:06
Hezron Lum spent like ten minutes looking for your comment 😂 and yes great start to the race
Tf are you talking about? I saw a flat wall.
@@drewpeacock3798 I'm talking about the start lol
Best box gap 👍
Thanks
I really enjoyed this video. All your Honda vids Miroshi-san make me long for my old modded '89 CRX. I have had modded NA and turbo cars but the fast NA ones are special when done right :)
Chris Dooley i know you have see the ssworks crx.
That double clutch coming out of the turn at 4:42 just beautiful man
There's no double-clutching. He went down 3 gears, he pushed the clutch 3 times. Look again.
That's not double clutching
I was just about to ask why if he has fancy sequential
thanks miroshi for upload.
drift king very good race driver and friendly funny guy.
he drove fr cars and civics fwd very well.
which car he drove on each show the win stake is high depend on competition car spec.
i like to watch him drive. aggressive n funny.
keiichi san is legend
Absolutely beautiful to watch these two drive and how they know exactly where the limits of the cars are
This vid just inspired me to get my eg8 back on the track! It's not the typical or first option for track cars but I love it even more as its unique. Thanks for the post!
the 4dr has a longer wheelbase so its more stable, and its still every bit as capable. I love the idea of a fast 4dr though, I want to build one up with a turbo and awd
watching this video makes me hope one day FIA made WTCC and GT racing series would be as decent as this, knowing there are different engine aspirations in this demo battle video. quite nice stuff
How old are these videos? They feel so 90's
brejaal i think its 1996
woooow!!!! O.o. that double clutch in the silvia. look at his left foot
1:30 sec
I’ll always remember this Silvia’s 80s/90s livery from this video. I adore it on alloy wheels.
as the popularity for turbos go up, this is a good video. I really am biased, because I love forced induction over n/a, but even I know that nothing is perfect. Drags, tracks, drifting, and everything else determines performance based on what you are planning on doing. This is great video showing that turbos aren't always the answer.
Tsuchiya’s 40yr old reflexes > mine at 18yr old x 10^19 😳😱 this pedal cam is piece of history, as legendary as the NSX Arta Tsukuba lap
From 3:44 to 4:09 It is absolutely mesmerizing seeing his shift and go through the gears while hearing the civic rour.
That civic is incredible. I love a lightweight fwd car.
2:06 here is going toretto
that civic is very tuned for that track and the silvia handles great for having that much power to the rear wheels
Great upload miroshi as always I love watching your videos
That was a good race,the Honda did awesome considering the 120 hp deficit!
Yea yeah. The Silvia won. But if your looking at skills. It was most definitely the Honda. Also don’t forget the Honda is also a lightweight fwd car. They’re both light cars but the lines where incomparable. That was a awesome race. Wish I could see more like this on television
I've watched alot of TV and without understanding anything said it doesn't get any better than this fact
Extremely entertaining, thank you for your contribution to society lad
holy shit how the cast has aged :O even wakisaka is starting to show his age... thanks for the nostalgia miroshi
The fact that the civic enters so fast in the corner compared to the heavier and bigger silvia is a bliss.
i never get tired of this video
Who needs a clutch anyway
john m there's still a clutch you just use it for 1st gear and downshifting.
Tuna Bergere "...and more you know" thanks for the info
The Silvia was obviously sand bagging it the first few laps to make it more exciting..The Turbos torque makes a huge difference , especially a circuit like this.Having said that Tsuchiya is an amazing driver. A true legend
This is the best of tuning imo. I like to think everything was better when it wasn’t so new age. Cars look better too.
incredible skill from both drivers. the little honda that could.
Takashi must have made a mistake in the uphill section, that allowed Tsuchiya to overtake the Silvia in the first round. In the other laps the Silvia was clearly faster in the uphill section. Or he made very good use of the slipstream.
+Steffen kawa I believe Takashi did it on purpose because the race will lose its interest,, don't forget it is a tv show after all ;)
And don't forget if you watch best motoring they tend to favor Honda cars since Tsuchiya and other drivers of BM work for Honda ;)
No no the are all serious race drivers BMI /HV would never do that;). Nah, you are probaly spot on, sometimes i don't consider the most logical solution.^^
+Niko DemonZ yeah i was like as if the civic caught up and made that much head room on an uphill against a turbo. the silvia had already shown the fact that it had faster acceleration on the flat
The silvia rwd had a more ideal line when he attacked on the outside of the hairpin but this lead to the fwd civic taking the inside which overtook the silvia. I think takashi might have tried to counter DK by doing a slow entry to a fast exit but failed and went too wide. Also, DK capitilized from the moment he had the inside line.
Hayai DemoN these are all hardened veteran professional drivers. Not a single one of them will give a inch away to anyone. They all consider themselves as the very best of the best and all want to win.
😳 so f%*king cool!! Amazing pedal work... freaking love watching these vids🙌🏼
the footwork is amazing
Very interesting to see that the Civic could hang!! Amazing footwork by both!!
hate to say but civic wins no matter what .. look at the hp. difference and civic still on his ass. if he had another 50 hp . he would of wrecked the silvia.. lmao.. love the Silvia though I had one.. btw civic was driven by the drift king ;)
Did the civic cross the finish line first? No. It didn't win first. HOWEVER, I totally agree that it is a beast and should never be looked down upon. The silvia is a fast car, but the civic driver DK is a faster driver.
Isaiah Philip Olaguer ,civic na 280hp and silvia turbo 400hp..not fair
The Civic is beast, but not really wins this. Had the race be 2 or 3 laps longer the Silvia will run far away. You can easily see 2 laps before the end. DK already struggling with front end grip resulting him understeering and missing corner apex constantly. While the Silvia still holds its line perfectly.
Raditya Indera , silvia wins because 400hp.this race is not fair
@@saifuddinudin1748 Even if the Civic has 400hp. It still doesn't answer high tyre wear which leads to understeering problem. Again had this race we're longer and involve tyre wear even if it had 400hp. The Civic would be half lap behind.
I love RWD to the point that i bought an FRS, but i'm a firm believer in weight>power. These cars both have superb handling, so i'll forget that factor, even though they were close enough it could've been a game changer. That 240 must have felt like a boat compared to the Honda.
Whaou, impressionnant! Merci.👍
guy in the turbo sx was just being polite for the first lap or two
I am amazed by Civic engine sound. It sounds so much like the BTCC engines, and nothing like any other Honda.
Very good battle, it was fun to watch. Thank you.
Honda’s are always in David vs Goliath battles
These musicians are top shapes for this concert ! :) Totaly racing.
that was a pure fun racing. enjoyed watching it
3:44 is intense. I would love to have that transmission in my integra 👌🏽
I like these both racecars, the STP civic Sedan and S13 silvia.
I smashed that like button after that cartwheel!!!
シビックフェリオカッコよすぎ👍
Wow that honda totally changes my perception of those cars
N/A rule the corners fuck turbo and streight power long live N/A cornering machines
Great White Rabbit true
F1 cars has turbo in the 80s and they have turbos now. It will help you get out of the tight curves, just a bit of a twitch in the process. Rally cars with Group B and Group A , some of them were fitted with turbos and still good on corners.
Razor yeah but group 80s formula had antilag and group b too.. tho idk about group a
coming down the second turn it reminded me of Days Of Thunder.
man i sub this channel great video!
When he took the lead in the honda i was too hype!
Lol. When the Silvia re-took the lead,I was hyped. Lol.
this girl's looks are just my type
Hero racing cars with a beautiful sunset/sunrise orange sky on a twìsty astroturf tracks with practically nonexistent run off in front of the armco.... ahh this to me is a typical motorsport 90's exhibition 👌
Now I get this video recommended. Anyways, talk about turbo lag. All that deceleration and acceleration heats up that turbo pretty quick and the intercooler takes a bit to respond in a track that has twisties in a straight 1320 feet is a different story. All motor seem to respond better because it has less heat and no turbo lag because it has no turbo. This videos are very entertaining to watch and educational at the same time. No Wonder why they put V8s in the GTR in the supercars race.
that was intense
what body kit is in the s13???
this guy is the daddy of dori dori.. he really pushes tsuchia to the max
One of the very Best vids so far (for me!)... only lazy tuners/drivers need a Damn turbocrap to be Fast!!! :-)
so everyone is lazy beside honda huh lol
Ivan Nosic boosting a car is not as easy as it may sound. Yes you more hp per money you spent but to have a reliable and yet responsive boosted engine, it requires lots of time tinkering with the settings and suitable parts.
damn, that foot work! these guys are insane! Great race
Thank you for all these uploads miroshi!
Do you have any more vids that you haven't uploaded yet featuring the EP chassis civic? Thanks :)
+ITzZoAsHxx I think I got a few more EP3 videos, haven't sorted it yet.
God bless that little Civic. Look at it go.
Is the old time sequential gearbox require engage clutch to downshift? I see modern race car with sequential gearbox they dont need to do that, only use clutch on static launch.
Yeah you pretty much are right.
New and modern sequential transmission, cut ignition whenever the shifter goes for the next gear. Back then it wasn't as advanced.
5:12 What happened here, he went off the throttle twice and then pushed the clutch in while upshifting. Could he not get it in gear without the clutch?
Close. He releases the throttle so there is no load on the gears and they can disengage(they are designed to lock themselves while at load). For some reason he couldn't get it out of gear i guess and had to use the clutch.
Spectacular match!
Is the Civic built to Super Touring?
awesome drivers #1 I love that civic 😍😍😍nice race🔥💥💥💨💨 👍👍👍🏁🏁🏁🚘🚘🚦🚦💯
What kind of suspension is the civic using and where can i get it?
N/A Not Again… love the sound though, drivers got skillz as well.
Beautiful EG 😍😍😍😍😍
What's the name of this tv show ? it's really good !! I'm really happy to see all theses japaneses car
How did the Civic cought up with him over the crest on thr home straight?😅
Surely the 1.6 engine from the Fiesta st deserves an honourable mention? People have pushed over 400bhp on stock internals which is very impressive in my eyes when standard its less than 200.
And how long did it last? Sure you could get 300K miles out of it if you never take it to the track or run it into boost but if you're a serious competitor you're going to spend more money rebuilding it than if you had just gone with a larger motor & less boost or had just built the engine before extracting big power. Making power is one thing, making power reliably is another.
john jackson Stock internals for 400 bhp on a 1.6? Not even conrods??? Sure??? I doubt so... conrods are the most usual change on turbo engines when pushing them beyond certain point (torque), this is, Stage 3 engines with bigturbo
john jackson so then the sohc and dohc 1.6L from honda deserve mentioning as well. There's 500 plus horsepower b16a engines on stock block and stick port head
bro yall are the shit!!! I love the videos. wat kind of transmission was in that eg???????
@Miroshi - Do you have any cool bm videos with an NA Roadster/MX5? would love to see some!
+Sub Ali Only that I have already uploaded, MX5s racing against Hondas.
+Sub Ali Try searching my channel in the search box with the keyword MX5
Is the Civic the Class II versions, or the Group A version with a tuned 1.6L engine?
Did i notice that the civic trans wasnt shifting well towards the end?
Are they both enlarged to 2.0 of displacement?
Are this Silvia a standard Uni-body construction?
this one was an exciting one!
That civic is real low with an under tray giving him a definite advantage in aero and the silvia is set up loose for sure.
That S13 :') go you good thing!
For a 4 doors Civic it looks great and performs surprisingly well
Ss works crx vs this civic. Would love to see the outcome
short track profile gives the honda privileges
I want know where that civic is now.
I saw a video awhile back and it was on display with the jaccs accord at a event