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In a book called the World's Worst Aircraft that I bought from Barnes and Noble 20 years ago. The Blackburn Firebrand was described as "built like a Battleship, but not able to fly as well".
hahahaha brilliant! Thank you. Aviation has more than its fair share of excellent humour. I read this somewhere...a long time ago, so this is only the gist of it.....Target tug pilot message to the fleet, "kindly inform your gunners that I am pulling this target, and not pushing it".
@@clive373 my favourite aviation joke is the flight review of the Blackburn Botha. “This aircraft is difficult to enter. The only way to improve this is to make it impossible”
The Swedes have always impressed me with how they tailor their military equipment to their own unique needs what might not work elsewhere makes perfect sense for them and some of their machines of course are used worldwide. The Viggen to me is also a beautiful aircraft.
Staying with Grumman's tradition of naming aircraft after cats, I thought that "Alleycat" might be a fitting name for this sleek looking bruiser of a plane.
My 10 favourite (at least for today): TSR2, Po-2, Grumman Wildcat, Bristol Beaufighter, Bristol Fighter F2b, 617 earthquake bomb Lancasters with the covered over dorsal and forward turrets, Mig 25 Foxbat, B24 Liberator, Ta 152.
Viggens were pretty well known by aviation enthusiasts in the 70s and 80s. Designed to be operated literally out of a barn and able to take off out of any unprepared runway. Great aircraft overall. A friend's grandfather was a G55 pilot in WW2. Used to listen to his war stories for hours after school. The Dassault Mirage 4000 was overshadowed by older Mirages fighting in Africa and the Middle East. I've only found an article about it in my old aviation magazines. So, I just knew it existed. The Iranian Tomcats became pretty famous during the Iran-Iraq war. Not obscure at all for enthusiasts of the time. There are a few of them still operational Rats were not that successful in the Spanish civil war. It was so nose-heavy it was very unlikely to recover from a steep dive. The fact that they came in too little too late to do anything meaningful and they weren't a match for the Legión Cóndor. The aicraft did feature some groundbreaking characteristics for its time, though. There was a STOL version of the SU-15 pretty revolutionary for its time. Definitely not unknown or obscure, albeit not present in popular culture. Six out of ten. Passed with a C. 😂
The Grumman ATS would fit well in the Starwars universe among the other iconic designs like the X wing, the Y wing and others! I would call it the G wing or the T wing...
Sundacat (clouded leopard). As an aside the Firebrand was designed to use the Sabre inline engine and this was used on the three prototypes and nine preproduction aircraft. The Air Ministry then allocated all future Sabres for the Typhoon so production aircraft ended up with the centaurus radial.
Thanks to both of you for this episode. For no reason at all, as soon as I thought of a ‘cat’ name for the Grumman ATS, ‘Polecat’ sprang to mind. Although not actually a feline, Polecats are characterised by a shorter body than other types of it’s species (sort of a ferret).
With that striking blue colour in the picture, and the shear elegance in the design, i think an apt name is the “Bluejay”. Works even better as a project name. “Project Bluejay” sounds awesome!
NAME - Silverbolt. I-185 had many problems with an engine (M71). The predecessor, I-180 also had problems with its engine (M88). Many test pilots died and some people responsible were arrested. So, they tried I-185 with La-5 engine (M82), but it didn't fly as good as La-5. And they decided not to make I-185.
As a retired US Navy sailor, I completely agree with you regarding the Tomcat. I spent my last tour in VF143 working with the TARPS photo recon system.
Great collaboration and interesting examples. I do have other examples of aircraft that i find interesting, but not on the list - Westland Whirlwind (resembles a mini mosquito) - P82 Twin Mustang (unusual design , but was it practical?) - North American Rockwell Bronco OV 10 (a rugged platform that continues to fly - fighting fires - Northrop P61 Black Widow - fought in every theater of war that the Americans were in, but its number was small I m sure there are heaps of examples and each aircraft has its own signature characteristics
I wholeheartedly agree with that there is something so crazy/beautiful concept art across those decades - the science fiction covers in my Jr high library were mostly old but had a style I didn't realise I wouldn't be seeing for a long time. Nowadays ? That artwork, that style.....it does something to me 🙍 not easy to articulate but it speaks of an age of creativity, finding boundaries and then finding ways to move them.
Morning, I was listening to you discussing the Firebrand aircraft saying this aircraft having a raiding engine. While the camera was pointing a5 a aircraft with a V 12 engine.
19:48 it's been quite a while since I've felt a reaction like that : head-shakingly awestruck, that such a form exists on paper or anywhere else. Throw in the year / era created and it takes on even more style - the opening scenes and the soundtrack are half-written for you 🤤
Interesting video! My son has caught my enthusiasm for military aircraft, so I might get a copy of this book. For the contest, NAME-Sabercat. (Based on the fact that Grumman named its fighters after cats, and of course the existence of the Sabertooth tiger. The ATF’s twin booms kinda recall the Sabertooth’s long fangs)
The cat tradition has a well established sanctity but that concept drawing reaches for higher aspirations. This may be a bit of a reach, but here goes mine: NAME - - Star Slicer With regards to the subject matter of the book, I loved seeing the Viggen as the first listed in the video. It has always been captivating to me as well. Another aircraft I am fond of is the Heinkel He 219 “Uhu” (Owl) nightfighter. A really sleek look and boy, did it pack a wollup!
NAME - CATFISH In my opinion, the Grumman ATS should have been called 'Catfish' as it looks better in an artist's drawing than it would probably have been in real life. Cheers! Terry
Great book. Good topic: 10 best from the book. 10 best innovations in aircraft design, equipment, modifications, etc. Gruman ATS name: Super Cat, Puma Cat, Mighty Cat.
The Grumman ATS's shape reminds me of highspeed planes like the XB-70 Valkyrie and SR-71 Blackbird. Mixing that whit the company cat-naming tradition, I would say that the perfect name for it is "Cheetah"
The Viggen is wonderfully LOUD , often displayed at road racing venues as there were two Viggen pilots racing !!Draken is far more in the treble to the point it sounds as though the air simply rent asunder as it cannot relay that many decibels...
Grumman ats name would be the devil cat in keeping with the Grumman tradition and that the plan resembles the devil's trident. Was hoping to see the lightning in there looking forward to reading the hushkit book
Loved the run down of the editors choice of aviation ' catnip ' . ~Great enthusiasm and zeal. As for the sweet looking Grumman name I'm ditching tbe company cat theme and giving it the name: Sunstreak (Hope there havent been any produced named that already)😊
7 out of 10. And if that is the only picture you could find of it, dous that last one count? Got to love those Sweeds. Saw the Viggen on an NL Airforce weekend do an hour of playing around with F-15 and F-16's who had trouble staying with it. And the reverse taxiing was a blast to. Dornier is great to..
I received the Hushkit book for Christmas and can tell you now it's a terrific read, and I thoroughly enjoyed every page. As for naming the Grumman ATS, keeping with the tradition of cats, I suggest Sabretooth.
@@williammitchell4417 That were earlier Mirage variants, and Israeli built derivatives. Israel famously stole ALL the Mirage 3 blueprints after France refused to deliver the already paid for aircraft Israel had ordered, and built their own, then improved upon it in the Kfir.
I would go with Tigercat 2 as the front of the two booms look like a tigers front legs to me ! ( However dont choose my answer as I have the book already )
The Grumman ATS looks very much like a twin boom fighter version of the North American XB-70 Valkyrie. So...something that is a combination of Valkyrie and Lightning. First thing that comes to mind is Mjolnir. So, Mjolnir it is!
Only he last one and that Russian twin boom I'd never heard of but then, I'm getting on in years and few were in the arker regions of my memory. The UK had a number of very rare planes that were essentialy test beds for other aircraft. I've watched the Viggen on several occasions, was very impressive at the time.
NAME - Polecat , since the back of the aircraft looks like it was made from 2 poles & Grumman names their planes after cats. I don't need the book, so if I win give the book to a public library in NE Indiana, USA.
Pre ordered this book and was not let down a great book with lots of humour thrown in such as the soviet aircraft with pussy riot on the tail the art work is top quality and the interviews are amazing especially the Iranian tomcat ace I don't want to enter the competition but if I had to name the grumman aircraft it would be ocelot to continue the grumman theme of naming aircraft around cats
NAME - Cheetah. Given Grumman's naming with cats, a plane that looks like it was meant to be be sleek and fast would have to be the Cheetah. (The fact that Grumman released the AA5-A Cheetah in 1976 tells you that name could have been on their list for this proposed design that same year.)
the G.55 was a beautiful plane. I always like the G.59 it had the Daimler motor switched to a Roller. :) Viggens are so advanced they look like they could be made today and still be futuristic. Oui la Super Mirage! I did know the name but that was all haha how ever the Mirage IIIA was very cool the aussie plane with an Avon power unit. Firebrand is a huge plane! it was a bit of a dog but maybe with more development... (trying to hide a laugh) also H24 not inline. (who am i to talk i always get tongue tied and make them mistakes too) Tomcat I-185 was a beautiful plane! hampered by typical Soviet incompetence's in their leadership. The Do-31 was amazing! the fact you had a Vtol with cargo it was such an awesome looking plane! i always loved it's giant spike on the nose, it looked like it had a Lance. Ok G-38 never seen prior! (1/10 so far! ) SU-15 is a monster it always looked like it was going Mach 2 on the ground. (again not much known i do know the name and a little about it but not much) Grumman ATS No clue on the name i have seen a similar design or even that plane? (2/10) Name - Grumman ATS Black-Foot Now this may seem a little odd, but Grumman love to name their planes after apex predators and this is it. The Blackfooted cat is the most dangerous predator on the planet with a 60% success rate in their hunts making them a worthy name for the plane. In history people will look back at the Bearcat, Tom cat, Tiger and say yes they were good... But the Black-Foot was the apex predator.
Thanks for the vid. The Grumman ATS must be named the Snow Leopard, since it is clearly a rare and mysterious, silvery, alpha predator that operates at high altitude... Of course, the pilots who flew it would have surely and immediately nick-named it the 'snow-shovel' as a play on both its official name and its slicing, wedgey shape...
No Sea Hornet. Unforgivable. Worth mentioning that the SU15 has the dubious honour of shooting down not just one, but two airliners (from the same airline IIRC).
I was familiar with the Viggen, Mirage, Tomcat (who isn't). I was familiar with the Dornier because I remember as a kid thinking it looked like a narwhal. The SU-15. The Grumman ATS? Now you're just fucking with us. 😂 I scored 5, worse than I thought I would but that's out of 9 which isn't all that bad.
I was just messing around looking at Wikipedia entry and I found a long section of the the combat record of the F-14's in the Iran-iraq. With its huge long range radar, Iran would send send up a couple of F-14s to fill the gap of not having a awacs. There are stories of Iraq pilots aborting their mission and hauling ass back to base as soon as soon as the RWR lit up.
Name - Grumman Ocelot Following Grummans cat based naming naming conventions I thought what’s more sleek and wild looking than an ocelot. Ps. Name - Grumman Skate Skates are not cats but they are flat and sleek so that counts for something.
There is a lot to be said for the Viggen. Those forward control surfaces actully provide a lifting force to the nose so that, instead of putting weight on the main wheels as you rotate on take off, they actually achieve the desirable effect of taking the weight off them. The navy starting a witch hunt for the pilots who spoke out against the Firbrand sound s about right. No doubt conducted by people who 1) would not have been good enough to fly it and 2) wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near it if they were.
NAME: Oberon. Thanks for the talk! That Grumman: for a plane that never existed, we need something imaginary: Oberon. (Carefully avoiding calling it C******). My warplane list: EE Lightning, SE5, Tomcat, Canberra, Blackburn Beverley, Viggen, Sukhoi SU-25, TU-22, HP Victor, Buccaneer.
NAME - feralcat It looks wild, dangerous and just feral. This kitty doesn't need claws. It's all claws. And all the best to Hush Kit. These lists always rocked.
I think I got 6 and heard the names of 2 mord of them but I'm in my 60's and Aircraft have been my hobby since joining a library at 7 years old, I really like the Number 1 Shades of the P38 crossed with a No Mans Sky Solar Ship, A sharp Nosed Killer, I'd call it the "Vixen" .I just wondered how large the print was?
Though perhaps for the time/era it was a product of, best suited would be NAME - HoneyCat (To lure all the Bears out, esp. the big bad Bear of the time!)
With that Trident configuration "Triton" seems not an unreasonable moniker, or sexier still "Spearfish" (FISH SPEAR - geddit...) "Grumman Spearfish" - Nice.
Never heard of the ATS or the two Russian oddities from WW2. Also the G55, might have been very, very good and maybe the best in ‘42, it was soon outdated and surpassed at least in 44 by the long nosed Dora FW-190D series!
Showing my vintage: five types in, and I was more or less familiar with all five of them. OK, 1-185 was new. Do 31 one of the heroes of my youth. G-38 news to me. One of the reasons for the saying: "If it's weird and ugly, it's Russian." Su-15 flagon remember it from my first Janes type paperback. Grumman ATS OK, got me with this one. So, three surprises.
On the firebrand they had a few prototypes or maybe even a couple in service with the powerful Napier sabre engine that went in the typhoon, different shape with an air scoop (two of) as typhoon and tempest as well as the redesign to fit the radial engine, it was changed for a couple of reasons, 1 availability and 2 redesignated for typhoons, hence the change. you showed a couple on the carrier deck (not 100% but not radial, so I presume it was those)
Re the Blackburn Firebrand and "There great big mighty radial engine" what radial engine? the image is of an early development/pre-production model with the inline Napier Sabre engine!
Names for the Grumman? Pity 'ThunderCat' is already taken! In the period between the F8 'Bearcat' and the F14 'Tomcat', Grumman had a 'Panther', 'Cougar', 'Jaguar' and 'Tiger'. So how about another native of North America: * The 'LYNX' *?
The Polikarpov is possibly the best example of how Stalins personal opinion was detrimental to the needs of the Soviet Union - he blamed Polikarpov for the death of Chkalov, despite proof that Chkalov had ignored Polikarpovs instructions on the cooling shutter of the I-180. However, Polikarpovs fall from grace did eventually lead to two things- establishment of MIG bureau and the Lavochkin La 5/7
Although never even reaching the prototype stage, Bristol designed some aircraft that were very similar to the Dornier Do31. The much larger type 208 would have used four Pegasus engines, with a STOL version using just these and a VTOL version having additional lift jets in wing tip pods similar to those on the Dornier. They also developed the type 224, to a NATO requirement, which used two Pegasus engines and lift jets, which would have been built by a consortium of BAC, Aerfer and Dornier. Presumably, the Dornier Do31 was a further development of that project, though I have no idea whether Bristol's design work was used by Dornier, or even if Bristol's designs were anything more than concept studies🤔
NAME: Grumman "Grimy Cat" ATS -- in the long tradition of Grumman "cat" theme names, "grimy" because "Grumman..." (could also be "grungy," but that's a slang term that didn't exist in WW2); comes with its own song: "Grimy cat, grimy cat, what have you been rolling in?" 😁
Name- Clouded Leopard. Need to stay with the Grumman cat names since they had nine aircraft named after cats. The Clouded Leopard is a real animal as well.
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If the ATS is fast as it is sleek, I'd name it Cheetah.
ManxCat - because it doesn't have a proper tail ... and continues the naming convention of Grumman aircraft
I'd call it the Grumman ATS hellHound
Try deadly to it's pilots. The engine nacelle is to angular. The tails are unsupported.
It's a cute idea. But, it was dropped for a reason.
I’d pitch the names “Manta Ray” or “Double Dart” which would inevitably be shortened to the “Double-D.”
In a book called the World's Worst Aircraft that I bought from Barnes and Noble 20 years ago. The Blackburn Firebrand was described as "built like a Battleship, but not able to fly as well".
hahahaha brilliant! Thank you.
Aviation has more than its fair share of excellent humour.
I read this somewhere...a long time ago, so this is only the gist of it.....Target tug pilot message to the fleet, "kindly inform your gunners that I am pulling this target, and not pushing it".
@@clive373 my favourite aviation joke is the flight review of the Blackburn Botha. “This aircraft is difficult to enter. The only way to improve this is to make it impossible”
What about the albacore? Built to replace the Swordfish but was replaced in the fleet by the swordfish
Poor Blackburn they sure had a time of it didn't they. LOL
@@Nebulax123 they built a plane so bad they had to name it twice
The front cover aircraft is 1 of my favorites too. The Draken is a bad ass.
You are welcome.
The Draken was an inspiration for Wonder Woman's invisible plane in the comics.
The Swedes have always impressed me with how they tailor their military equipment to their own unique needs what might not work elsewhere makes perfect sense for them and some of their machines of course are used worldwide. The Viggen to me is also a beautiful aircraft.
Staying with Grumman's tradition of naming aircraft after cats, I thought that "Alleycat" might be a fitting name for this sleek looking bruiser of a plane.
Of the Firebrand you say "great big radial engine"...... They sure did a masterful job of cowling that thing!
The Grokhovsky looks like it belongs in games like Crimson Skies or Air Power.
My 10 favourite (at least for today): TSR2, Po-2, Grumman Wildcat, Bristol Beaufighter, Bristol Fighter F2b, 617 earthquake bomb Lancasters with the covered over dorsal and forward turrets, Mig 25 Foxbat, B24 Liberator, Ta 152.
The Saab was a serious plane, love the styling. Book looks great, I'll definitely pick one up
Which SAAB? They've built quite a few.
Viggens were pretty well known by aviation enthusiasts in the 70s and 80s. Designed to be operated literally out of a barn and able to take off out of any unprepared runway. Great aircraft overall.
A friend's grandfather was a G55 pilot in WW2. Used to listen to his war stories for hours after school.
The Dassault Mirage 4000 was overshadowed by older Mirages fighting in Africa and the Middle East. I've only found an article about it in my old aviation magazines. So, I just knew it existed.
The Iranian Tomcats became pretty famous during the Iran-Iraq war. Not obscure at all for enthusiasts of the time. There are a few of them still operational
Rats were not that successful in the Spanish civil war. It was so nose-heavy it was very unlikely to recover from a steep dive. The fact that they came in too little too late to do anything meaningful and they weren't a match for the Legión Cóndor. The aicraft did feature some groundbreaking characteristics for its time, though.
There was a STOL version of the SU-15 pretty revolutionary for its time. Definitely not unknown or obscure, albeit not present in popular culture.
Six out of ten. Passed with a C. 😂
The Grumman ATS would fit well in the Starwars universe among the other iconic designs like the X wing, the Y wing and others! I would call it the G wing or the T wing...
Sundacat (clouded leopard).
As an aside the Firebrand was designed to use the Sabre inline engine and this was used on the three prototypes and nine preproduction aircraft. The Air Ministry then allocated all future Sabres for the Typhoon so production aircraft ended up with the centaurus radial.
...... and most of the pics in the video are of those 12 planes with the inline engines.
Thanks to both of you for this episode. For no reason at all, as soon as I thought of a ‘cat’ name for the Grumman ATS, ‘Polecat’ sprang to mind. Although not actually a feline, Polecats are characterised by a shorter body than other types of it’s species (sort of a ferret).
With that striking blue colour in the picture, and the shear elegance in the design, i think an apt name is the “Bluejay”. Works even better as a project name. “Project Bluejay” sounds awesome!
NAME - Silverbolt.
I-185 had many problems with an engine (M71). The predecessor, I-180 also had problems with its engine (M88). Many test pilots died and some people responsible were arrested. So, they tried I-185 with La-5 engine (M82), but it didn't fly as good as La-5. And they decided not to make I-185.
As a retired US Navy sailor, I completely agree with you regarding the Tomcat. I spent my last tour in VF143 working with the TARPS photo recon system.
Tomcat was a movie star to say the least. The Final Countdown, Top Gun, just to name a couple.
That Soviet era G-38 heavy fighter has "For the Tsar" painted on it. Hehehe. No wonder it never flew.
Opps!
Great collaboration and interesting examples. I do have other examples of aircraft that i find interesting, but not on the list
- Westland Whirlwind (resembles a mini mosquito)
- P82 Twin Mustang (unusual design , but was it practical?)
- North American Rockwell Bronco OV 10 (a rugged platform that continues to fly - fighting fires
- Northrop P61 Black Widow - fought in every theater of war that the Americans were in, but its number was small
I m sure there are heaps of examples and each aircraft has its own signature characteristics
In keeping with Grumman's cat team, my suggestion would be the Siamese Cat due to its twin boom layout .
Name = Shrike II
The shrike was already taken for the Curtiss A-12, so had to add the II (two) and it does have the twin booms.
I wholeheartedly agree with that there is something so crazy/beautiful concept art across those decades - the science fiction covers in my Jr high library were mostly old but had a style I didn't realise I wouldn't be seeing for a long time.
Nowadays ? That artwork, that style.....it does something to me 🙍 not easy to articulate but it speaks of an age of creativity, finding boundaries and then finding ways to move them.
Morning, I was listening to you discussing the Firebrand aircraft saying this aircraft having a raiding engine. While the camera was pointing a5 a aircraft with a V 12 engine.
Bloody spellcheck.
19:48 it's been quite a while since I've felt a reaction like that : head-shakingly awestruck, that such a form exists on paper or anywhere else. Throw in the year / era created and it takes on even more style - the opening scenes and the soundtrack are half-written for you 🤤
Interesting video! My son has caught my enthusiasm for military aircraft, so I might get a copy of this book.
For the contest, NAME-Sabercat. (Based on the fact that Grumman named its fighters after cats, and of course the existence of the Sabertooth tiger. The ATF’s twin booms kinda recall the Sabertooth’s long fangs)
The cat tradition has a well established sanctity but that concept drawing reaches for higher aspirations. This may be a bit of a reach, but here goes mine: NAME - - Star Slicer
With regards to the subject matter of the book, I loved seeing the Viggen as the first listed in the video. It has always been captivating to me as well. Another aircraft I am fond of is the Heinkel He 219 “Uhu” (Owl) nightfighter. A really sleek look and boy, did it pack a wollup!
NAME - CATFISH In my opinion, the Grumman ATS should have been called 'Catfish' as it looks better in an artist's drawing than it would probably have been in real life. Cheers! Terry
I would call it SKYMANX. Sort of fitts the Grumman bill, and sound awesome..
The first powered plane used the canard arrangement. Something to do with stall speed apparently.
Be nice to see the Avro Arrow on one of these type of lists
Great book. Good topic: 10 best from the book. 10 best innovations in aircraft design, equipment, modifications, etc. Gruman ATS name: Super Cat, Puma Cat, Mighty Cat.
After many too look-alike 'top 10 aircraft' videos, watching this 'top 10 forgotten underdogs' felt quite refreshing.
My top ten?
Breuget Br19 "Flying Fuel Tank"
Savoia - Marchetti SM.79 "Sparviero"
Handley Page Halifax
Bloch 155
Fokker "Tridecker"
Supermarine Attacker
F16-79 (it might have been smoky, but it was fast!)
Handley Page Victor
BAC RE8
DeHavilland DH.110 Sea Vixen
The Grumman ATS's shape reminds me of highspeed planes like the XB-70 Valkyrie and SR-71 Blackbird. Mixing that whit the company cat-naming tradition, I would say that the perfect name for it is "Cheetah"
The Viggen is wonderfully LOUD , often displayed at road racing venues as there were two Viggen pilots racing !!Draken is far more in the treble to the point it sounds as though the air simply rent asunder as it cannot relay that many decibels...
Grumman ats name would be the devil cat in keeping with the Grumman tradition and that the plan resembles the devil's trident. Was hoping to see the lightning in there looking forward to reading the hushkit book
As a Canadian, I'm obligated to vote for the Avro Arrow.
I would have added the Lockheed L-133 Starjet as an interesting "what if"
NAME Grumman Stratocat....looks otherworldly, at least in ambition!
Have to reach into Tolkien for his most badass problem-solvers, the NAZGUL. Great vid, by the way!
Loved the run down of the editors choice of aviation ' catnip ' . ~Great enthusiasm and zeal.
As for the sweet looking Grumman name I'm ditching tbe company cat theme and giving it the name: Sunstreak
(Hope there havent been any produced named that already)😊
7 out of 10. And if that is the only picture you could find of it, dous that last one count?
Got to love those Sweeds. Saw the Viggen on an NL Airforce weekend do an hour of playing around with F-15 and F-16's who had trouble staying with it. And the reverse taxiing was a blast to. Dornier is great to..
I received the Hushkit book for Christmas and can tell you now it's a terrific read, and I thoroughly enjoyed every page. As for naming the Grumman ATS, keeping with the tradition of cats, I suggest Sabretooth.
I saw the Mirage 4000 performing at Farnborough circa 1979-80, alongside the prototype 2000. Very impressive.
The Mirage was instrumental in the Israeli air Force
@@williammitchell4417 That were earlier Mirage variants, and Israeli built derivatives.
Israel famously stole ALL the Mirage 3 blueprints after France refused to deliver the already paid for aircraft Israel had ordered, and built their own, then improved upon it in the Kfir.
@@jwenting I remember Kfir. I'm not surprised as for the fun and games with France. Just think about Ukraine for a second. History repeats.
The Do-31 bears an uncanny resemblance to the Arado 240, one of my all time faves.
Oh. I would have said it bears an uncanny resemblance to War Rocket Ajax.
@@scottfw7169 me too, go Flash!
NAME Abyssinian
As in Abyssinian Tactical Superplane
Pilots would call it "I'll be sinnin'"
Abyssinian: a sleek cat that loves to climb
I would go with Tigercat 2 as the front of the two booms look like a tigers front legs to me ! ( However dont choose my answer as I have the book already )
The Grumman ATS looks very much like a twin boom fighter version of the North American XB-70 Valkyrie. So...something that is a combination of Valkyrie and Lightning. First thing that comes to mind is Mjolnir. So, Mjolnir it is!
Looking at that beauty, it's gotta be NAME: Trident. Those three points say it all.
Only he last one and that Russian twin boom I'd never heard of but then, I'm getting on in years and few were in the arker regions of my memory. The UK had a number of very rare planes that were essentialy test beds for other aircraft. I've watched the Viggen on several occasions, was very impressive at the time.
NAME - Polecat , since the back of the aircraft looks like it was made from 2 poles & Grumman names their planes after cats.
I don't need the book, so if I win give the book to a public library in NE Indiana, USA.
Pre ordered this book and was not let down a great book with lots of humour thrown in such as the soviet aircraft with pussy riot on the tail the art work is top quality and the interviews are amazing especially the Iranian tomcat ace
I don't want to enter the competition but if I had to name the grumman aircraft it would be ocelot to continue the grumman theme of naming aircraft around cats
NAME - Cheetah. Given Grumman's naming with cats, a plane that looks like it was meant to be be sleek and fast would have to be the Cheetah.
(The fact that Grumman released the AA5-A Cheetah in 1976 tells you that name could have been on their list for this proposed design that same year.)
Name it the Caracal. Because its a Grumman, so it must be a cat, and because of the large pointy ears on the caracal looks just like the rendering.
the G.55 was a beautiful plane. I always like the G.59 it had the Daimler motor switched to a Roller. :)
Viggens are so advanced they look like they could be made today and still be futuristic.
Oui la Super Mirage! I did know the name but that was all haha how ever the Mirage IIIA was very cool the aussie plane with an Avon power unit.
Firebrand is a huge plane! it was a bit of a dog but maybe with more development... (trying to hide a laugh) also H24 not inline. (who am i to talk i always get tongue tied and make them mistakes too)
Tomcat
I-185 was a beautiful plane! hampered by typical Soviet incompetence's in their leadership.
The Do-31 was amazing! the fact you had a Vtol with cargo it was such an awesome looking plane! i always loved it's giant spike on the nose, it looked like it had a Lance.
Ok G-38 never seen prior! (1/10 so far! )
SU-15 is a monster it always looked like it was going Mach 2 on the ground. (again not much known i do know the name and a little about it but not much)
Grumman ATS No clue on the name i have seen a similar design or even that plane? (2/10)
Name - Grumman ATS Black-Foot
Now this may seem a little odd, but Grumman love to name their planes after apex predators and this is it. The Blackfooted cat is the most dangerous predator on the planet with a 60% success rate in their hunts making them a worthy name for the plane. In history people will look back at the Bearcat, Tom cat, Tiger and say yes they were good... But the Black-Foot was the apex predator.
Thanks for the vid. The Grumman ATS must be named the Snow Leopard, since it is clearly a rare and mysterious, silvery, alpha predator that operates at high altitude...
Of course, the pilots who flew it would have surely and immediately nick-named it the 'snow-shovel' as a play on both its official name and its slicing, wedgey shape...
No Sea Hornet. Unforgivable.
Worth mentioning that the SU15 has the dubious honour of shooting down not just one, but two airliners (from the same airline IIRC).
I was familiar with the Viggen, Mirage, Tomcat (who isn't). I was familiar with the Dornier because I remember as a kid thinking it looked like a narwhal. The SU-15. The Grumman ATS? Now you're just fucking with us. 😂
I scored 5, worse than I thought I would but that's out of 9 which isn't all that bad.
With TWIN booms - it's a Grumman Siamese Cat!
I was just messing around looking at Wikipedia entry and I found a long section of the the combat record of the F-14's in the Iran-iraq. With its huge long range radar, Iran would send send up a couple of F-14s to fill the gap of not having a awacs. There are stories of Iraq pilots aborting their mission and hauling ass back to base as soon as soon as the RWR lit up.
I fly R/C and ALL of my favorite aircraft are prop driver (not wanting to get into jet engines). Interesting aircraft on this list.
I have to admit I'm with you here, I'm also a prop guy. Anything after the F86, MIG-15 era and my eyes start to glaze over, lol
Gonna have to go with the Grumman Serval. They've go those pointy ears and really sharp pointy teeth.
Seeing as how Grumman used "cats" in their names and keeping with that trend, I choose the Best name for the Grumman ATS... "The Thundercat"
Grumann ATS should be named the Grumann SABRETOOTH. Sticking with the cat names! Awesome Video. The G55 is one of my favorites as well.
Name - Grumman Ocelot
Following Grummans cat based naming naming conventions I thought what’s more sleek and wild looking than an ocelot.
Ps. Name - Grumman Skate
Skates are not cats but they are flat and sleek so that counts for something.
There is a lot to be said for the Viggen. Those forward control surfaces actully provide a lifting force to the nose so that, instead of putting weight on the main wheels as you rotate on take off, they actually achieve the desirable effect of taking the weight off them. The navy starting a witch hunt for the pilots who spoke out against the Firbrand sound s about right. No doubt conducted by people who 1) would not have been good enough to fly it and 2) wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near it if they were.
NAME: Oberon.
Thanks for the talk!
That Grumman: for a plane that never existed, we need something imaginary: Oberon. (Carefully avoiding calling it C******).
My warplane list: EE Lightning, SE5, Tomcat, Canberra, Blackburn Beverley, Viggen, Sukhoi SU-25, TU-22, HP Victor, Buccaneer.
NAME - feralcat
It looks wild, dangerous and just feral.
This kitty doesn't need claws. It's all claws.
And all the best to Hush Kit. These lists always rocked.
As Grumman always had a "cat" theme running for names I'd feel inclined to vote for "Leopard" thanks, Dane (just bought the book for my Kobo)
NAME - Saber-Tooth Tiger. The two booms inspired the saber-tooth portion of the name. Cat names were a tradition. Tiger was the choice.
I think I got 6 and heard the names of 2 mord of them but I'm in my 60's and Aircraft have been my hobby since joining a library at 7 years old, I really like the Number 1 Shades of the P38 crossed with a No Mans Sky Solar Ship, A sharp Nosed Killer, I'd call it the "Vixen" .I just wondered how large the print was?
I think Feral Cat cause it looks pretty wild. Keeping with the tradition of Grummans naming of planes with cat in them
Though perhaps for the time/era it was a product of, best suited would be
NAME - HoneyCat (To lure all the Bears out, esp. the big bad Bear of the time!)
I was trying to keep with Grumman's theme so
NAME- Caracal. A sleek cat with long ears and dangerous to boot
NAME - Nekomata - a mythical Japanese cat said to have two tails. That might be a wild one for the Grumman ATS?
With that Trident configuration "Triton" seems not an unreasonable moniker, or sexier still "Spearfish" (FISH SPEAR - geddit...) "Grumman Spearfish" - Nice.
In staying in line with previous Grumman aircraft... "Starcat"
Never heard of the ATS or the two Russian oddities from WW2. Also the G55, might have been very, very good and maybe the best in ‘42, it was soon outdated and surpassed at least in 44 by the long nosed Dora FW-190D series!
Showing my vintage: five types in, and I was more or less familiar with all five of them.
OK, 1-185 was new.
Do 31 one of the heroes of my youth.
G-38 news to me. One of the reasons for the saying: "If it's weird and ugly, it's Russian."
Su-15 flagon remember it from my first Janes type paperback.
Grumman ATS OK, got me with this one.
So, three surprises.
NAME - Grumman Bobcat. Another option would be Lynx.
Two of these were new to me - the Grumman and the Russian twin boom.
On the firebrand they had a few prototypes or maybe even a couple in service with the powerful Napier sabre engine that went in the typhoon, different shape with an air scoop (two of) as typhoon and tempest as well as the redesign to fit the radial engine, it was changed for a couple of reasons, 1 availability and 2 redesignated for typhoons, hence the change. you showed a couple on the carrier deck (not 100% but not radial, so I presume it was those)
Apologies, that jumped to your video earmarked for " next", lol
Re the Blackburn Firebrand and "There great big mighty radial engine" what radial engine? the image is of an early development/pre-production model with the inline Napier Sabre engine!
Oddly enough, for a fraction of a second when the 'Centauro' first appeared on screen my mind said ME109.
Grumman Meerkat....there ya go. Slim, aggressive and fits the Grumman tradition of naming things after cats...sorta.
Gotta love HushKit. Their 10 worst series (and their beautiful fighter book) are internet gold.
The agile and brief mention of "sex magician Jack Parsons" pegged my laugh meter.
F4U Corsair still the best looking aircraft that has ever flown
NAME - Cheetah
It’s still a cat as per Grumman naming convention 👍
NAME - Strike Angel
Thanks for the fascinating video!
Plans were in place to train Dornier Do31 pilots for low level attacks spearing infantry soldiers on the ground.
Staying true to Grumman naming protocol: Grumman ATS Firecat!
Names for the Grumman? Pity 'ThunderCat' is already taken! In the period between the F8 'Bearcat' and the F14 'Tomcat', Grumman had a 'Panther', 'Cougar', 'Jaguar' and 'Tiger'. So how about another native of North America:
* The 'LYNX' *?
Enjoyable content. Good collaboration, Caliban!
Joe is a superstar, really enjoyed talking to him as we planned this.
NAME: Onslaught!
Great video, as always.
Name - Grumman Stingray
Looks like something out of Captin Scarlett it's awesome
The Polikarpov is possibly the best example of how Stalins personal opinion was detrimental to the needs of the Soviet Union - he blamed Polikarpov for the death of Chkalov, despite proof that Chkalov had ignored Polikarpovs instructions on the cooling shutter of the I-180.
However, Polikarpovs fall from grace did eventually lead to two things- establishment of MIG bureau and the Lavochkin La 5/7
NAME: StratoCat
Sounds *almost* as cool as it looks!
Although never even reaching the prototype stage, Bristol designed some aircraft that were very similar to the Dornier Do31. The much larger type 208 would have used four Pegasus engines, with a STOL version using just these and a VTOL version having additional lift jets in wing tip pods similar to those on the Dornier. They also developed the type 224, to a NATO requirement, which used two Pegasus engines and lift jets, which would have been built by a consortium of BAC, Aerfer and Dornier. Presumably, the Dornier Do31 was a further development of that project, though I have no idea whether Bristol's design work was used by Dornier, or even if Bristol's designs were anything more than concept studies🤔
The Grumman WTF?
The Grumman Cathouse??
The Grumman Crazycat??
The Grumman Slickcat?
I like Crazycat as that is the name of my cat that's crazy.
@@michaelratliff3068Great name choice. Cats are pretty amazing.
NAME: Grumman "Grimy Cat" ATS -- in the long tradition of Grumman "cat" theme names, "grimy" because "Grumman..." (could also be "grungy," but that's a slang term that didn't exist in WW2); comes with its own song: "Grimy cat, grimy cat, what have you been rolling in?" 😁
Name- Clouded Leopard. Need to stay with the Grumman cat names since they had nine aircraft named after cats. The Clouded Leopard is a real animal as well.