I grew up in Reno about 35 minutes east of Donner Lake and in fifth grade we had to study and do projects on the Donner Party, this was pretty graphic for little kids- the messed up thing is I remember the teacher saying throughout our studies on the Donner Party, almost everyday, how this was her favorite part of all the 5th grade curriculum and that she loved Mr. Eddy, who eventually made it back to camp with rescuers only to find out they had eaten his wide and young son...She was a little off...
I think you need to reacquaintance yourself with the definition of "Untold". You offered no new information on the subject... You're just click baiting... Honestly, I learned more on the subject in school. And I'm not even gonna mention Ken Burns...
I've hiked parts of the Donner Trail over the years. In 2018, in Utah, I found a rusty hand-made metal object. I took it to the museum in Orangeville, UT, who confirmed it was authentic. It was a clip that attached the oxen to a bow. They let me keep it because the museum has some in better condition. Since then, I got a few books detailing the journey of which I hold a special piece of. Lots of respect for those brave folks!
Also note: "In her book, “Life among the Paiutes,” Sarah Winnemucca (Chief Truckee’s granddaughter) remarked that members of this group were the least organized and not very resourceful. According to Winnemucca, members of the Donner Party located the place where her people had stored their supplies for the long winter ahead. She writes, “They set everything we had left on fire. It was a fearful sight. It was all we had for the winter, and it was all burned during that night. They surely knew it was our food.” By the end of October, the advance wagons reached Donner Lake while another group, which included the two Donner families, got no further than the junction of Prosser and Alder Creeks. As heavy snow began to fall, the pioneers made several attempts to cross the pass, but were driven back to their camps at the lake. They ended up being trapped for the winter with little food and no game to hunt." Karma happened, and as usual, the innocent paid the price for the adult criminals.
I have been to the original Donner pass area. Beautiful place. But I can imagine the hardship these people went through. The mental and spiritual anguish they went through in order to survive. I am sure it effected all the survivors in some way.
@@albertangeloro5832 maybe one guy took off his neighbor's ear and ate it? Check out the Portland headlines now a guy at a bus terminal ate another guy's ear and started nawing on his scalp. I've already told Portland to start feeding their homeless, they're hungry! One thing I wouldn't do if I was in the Donner party is start eating people. I would run for my life and live off parts of bark on the trees.
I'm piecing a few things together when I think of what I heard of the Donner Party. When it comes to the cannibalism I remember one show did an archeological dig around the site and found mostly animal bones, not human ones. Then I watched a video about the site and it seems the human remains were buried in a spot that now has a monument to the incident. Recalling the incident where the soccer team was trapped in the mountains after their plane crashed which was also infamous for the resort to cannibalism, but comparing the situations these were not free-for-all massacres for food. The soccer team didn't murder anyone, they just ate the dead from the crash, but they treated it with religious ceremony as to honor those who they ate to survive. Likewise they made vows to each other that if they died their friends should eat them. In fact in some cultures where cannibalism is practiced it is not uncommon for tribes to eat their own relations after they die and this is considered an honor to their dead. I assume, but only assume due to fact I don't know more details, that they might have done the same with their own dead.
If someone has the last name of Donner and invite’s you to a dinner party, you may want to decline the invite. That dude Hastings really messed up a trip that was going pretty good. If they hadn’t taken the Mormon route through Salt Lake City, they probably wouldn’t made it into central California. Instead they wound up on a trail to Northern California which can be hard going even in the summer. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. It was a metaphorical coin toss. By the time they knew they were hooped, it was too late to turnaround because they were surrounded by blizzards. Don’t do a mental coin toss, listen to your gut instinct. It’s almost correct every time..
@@jamesburns2232 It's not funny - well - it is funny - but in that area there are all kinds of things named Donner - park, lake, pass - no doubt in honor of the occasion.
America began with Cannabalism during the first Winter at Jamestown, 1608/09. There had been a bad drought through the summer and fall. Many of the larger wild animals had migrated to find water. Hunting was fruitless. Supplies ran out and as individuals died, those who remained consumed them. Even the regional Native Americans had a very difficult Winter.
The picture shown at 8:58 shows the depth of the snow at the time, with the trees cut at that level by the Donner party. In a survival situation consuming the bodies of the already dead should be a completely acceptable alternative to starvation.
@@satanofficial3902 If you mean murdering people to have meat to eat, yeah I agree 100%. If you are starving to death and there are dead frozen bodies around you, then eating of them to survive is totally acceptable. It's a horrible situation, but acceptable such as in the Andes flight disaster of 1972.
My favorite game is to go into a restaurant, give them the last name of donner, and wait for the reaction when they announce it overhead. “Donner party of....”. Yeah. I’m a child in the body of a 50 yr old.
Didn’t realize it till recently but i live right where the donner party found their salvation in the truckee river after crossing the 40 mile desert. Ive seen the signs marking it most of my life and only recently put together what the signs are for. I probably drive over their old tracks every time i go out shooting in the desert, I definitely drive over the old railroad bed and their tracks are essentially I-80 through fernley.
If you're waiting for a table and the hostess says, "Donner, party of 2" and then seats someone ahead of you, don't complain. They were seriously hungry.
👩💻The Donner Party came through the Great Salt Lake Valley 1 year before (1846) the Mormon Pioneers came in July of 1847. The Donner party actually cut the road for the pioneers following a year later starting at Big Mountain then down East Canyon and down Emigration Canyon into Salt Lake City. Hastings road through the Great Salt Lake Desert, Salt Flats, going west to east on a horse (Wendover to Salt Lake City.) Much love and peace. 🙋♀️🪔🐞🥰🇺🇲
I won't lay the blame entirely on Hastings as the Donner party was warned many times to turn back before it was too late. But Hastings never should have published his route before he had tried it out himself. I just think it is such a tragic story. It begs the question - How hungry and desperate do you have to be to get to the point of c*nnabalism?
I wish I was there, somewhere along one of the rivers, to witness all the hoquots migrate across uncharted lands. Oh how beautiful the trees, wildlife, mountains, and plains must have been. How excited, scared, and free they must of felt. I’d love to see how terrified native Americans were to see a white person for the first time, and vice versa.
To think Abraham Lincoln was almost party of that wagon train. But his pregnant wife refused to go in her condition. Also the contributions of Jame Read to the settling of the Bay Area specifically San Jose should be told. That one man made lots of marks on history.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 All Bad,,, A person that did not listen to fair warning. And kept ongoing anyways., He was also a murderer., And Coward man, And it took him 5 months to get back to his family.,😮😮😮😮😮 In Abraham Lincoln cared more about his family, then mr Reed ,does, God bless him Mr president...
Idk what it is, but the script for this is really strange. He says "according to history" a lot. Like bruh, just saying "history" isn't a valid source.
I lost count after a dozen times. It's like our parents, & grandma always said, "if you can survive this vacation, you can survive anything." But, weren't those wild onions and berries good...and learning ta fish with your hands. And getting my canvas shoes stuck to rocks in the fire pit. Thank God for Duct Tape🤣🤣🤣Those were some real good times. So greatful our parents thought it'd be a good vacation overall. Thanks for reminding me❤️❤️❤️God Bless🥰
There is documentation and proof of bones recovered from the Jamestown settlement that shows they also resorted to cannibalism. One such skull was of a 14-year-old girl.
They would all be knowledgeable about hunting trapping and fishing, but due to the snow being so deep, there was nothing available to hunt. Animals would be moving out of the deepest snow for areas that are much more inhabitable. Fishing would be impossible because the lake would be frozen too deep and ice too thick.
I'm not judging them now so i doubt id be judging them back then...me and a friend of mines were talking about this about a month ago and I said no way i could eat someone and he told me "u can't say that unless u been in that situation" i remain steadfast that if it happened to me today I'd never resort to cannibalism especially if I had to kill someone first but back in 1846 i don't know I'd say it's like 50/50...I've survived extreme hunger in my 36 yrs but not way back then so odds are i just might be with those that did resort to it but even back then i don't think i could kill someone to eat them..regardless I've never judged them since i first heard this story decades ago
I heard of the Donner party while on an Amtrak trip to California. The man on the intercom told us the story. I was amazed. As one who KNOWS that man does not live by bread alone, it seems to me that they were not at ALL praying people. The LORD provides for His own, and surely they wouldn't have had to resort to cannibalism. THE BLOOD OF JESUS SHALL PREVAIL! 🙏🏼
I've been wondering why, at the onset of snow and the failed attempts to cross over the summit, they didn't just turn back and head for any area below the snow line, where there would be game they could kill to survive on until rescue came. Why did they not head for lower, warmer, territory? Instead of staying so long in such a terribly cold place through months and months of winter blizzards?
Circumstances caused by smug stupidity are not validations for cannibalism. Cannibalism is cannibalism is cannibalism. It isn't magically something different.
What are your thoughts on the story of the Donner Party?
I grew up in Reno about 35 minutes east of Donner Lake and in fifth grade we had to study and do projects on the Donner Party, this was pretty graphic for little kids- the messed up thing is I remember the teacher saying throughout our studies on the Donner Party, almost everyday, how this was her favorite part of all the 5th grade curriculum and that she loved Mr. Eddy, who eventually made it back to camp with rescuers only to find out they had eaten his wide and young son...She was a little off...
“We ber Canyon”. Not Webber. l am from northern Utah. Weber Canyon was my playground.
In my personal opinion, Murphy's Law. Everything that can go wrong, went wrong.
I think you need to reacquaintance yourself with the definition of "Untold". You offered no new information on the subject... You're just click baiting... Honestly, I learned more on the subject in school. And I'm not even gonna mention Ken Burns...
@@KublaVeruca
Demand a refund.
I've hiked parts of the Donner Trail over the years. In 2018, in Utah, I found a rusty hand-made metal object. I took it to the museum in Orangeville, UT, who confirmed it was authentic. It was a clip that attached the oxen to a bow. They let me keep it because the museum has some in better condition. Since then, I got a few books detailing the journey of which I hold a special piece of. Lots of respect for those brave folks!
That's pretty cool you should take it to Rick Harrison
Donner passl is in California.... sooooo,
@@kennybeck5519 The journey crosses several states. Happy hiking!
@@Coogi622 The "Donner pass" is in California.
@@kennybeck5519 You're right, the Pass is in CA. The Trail begins in MO and ends in CA.
Also note: "In her book, “Life among the Paiutes,” Sarah Winnemucca (Chief Truckee’s granddaughter) remarked that members of this group were the least organized and not very resourceful.
According to Winnemucca, members of the Donner Party located the place where her people had stored their supplies for the long winter ahead. She writes, “They set everything we had left on fire. It was a fearful sight. It was all we had for the winter, and it was all burned during that night. They surely knew it was our food.”
By the end of October, the advance wagons reached Donner Lake while another group, which included the two Donner families, got no further than the junction of Prosser and Alder Creeks.
As heavy snow began to fall, the pioneers made several attempts to cross the pass, but were driven back to their camps at the lake. They ended up being trapped for the winter with little food and no game to hunt."
Karma happened, and as usual, the innocent paid the price for the adult criminals.
I am so strangely fascinated by the story of the Donner and Reed party....
DH - So am I. Apparently, I like hearing about people eating other people.
You'd love the book "Alive" by Piers Paul Reid
makes me hungry
I have been to the original Donner pass area. Beautiful place. But I can imagine the hardship these people went through. The mental and spiritual anguish they went through in order to survive. I am sure it effected all the survivors in some way.
Been there dozens of times. When I was young in the 80s, the snow got up to 10'. I can't imagine how deep it was back in the day.
I've seen entire houses buried in snow.
Yeah poor people didn't have wi fi there
The diary’s of the Donner party is one of the saddest things I have ever read.
I can’t even imagine how those people felt or how they made it through each day.
they got through the day by nervous snacking.
I'm trying NOT to laugh at the first person to get eaten. After that, how do you con the next guy into believing he's NOT next...
@@Geoffrey___ tell him you're a vegetarian
@@albertangeloro5832 maybe one guy took off his neighbor's ear and ate it? Check out the Portland headlines now a guy at a bus terminal ate another guy's ear and started nawing on his scalp. I've already told Portland to start feeding their homeless, they're hungry! One thing I wouldn't do if I was in the Donner party is start eating people. I would run for my life and live off parts of bark on the trees.
I find it very grim that this was all going on during the same period of time the Franklin Expedition in the Arctic is starting to fall apart too
All during the Hungry Forties. There's something about that decade..
You never no what you can handle until you have to
I'm piecing a few things together when I think of what I heard of the Donner Party. When it comes to the cannibalism I remember one show did an archeological dig around the site and found mostly animal bones, not human ones. Then I watched a video about the site and it seems the human remains were buried in a spot that now has a monument to the incident. Recalling the incident where the soccer team was trapped in the mountains after their plane crashed which was also infamous for the resort to cannibalism, but comparing the situations these were not free-for-all massacres for food. The soccer team didn't murder anyone, they just ate the dead from the crash, but they treated it with religious ceremony as to honor those who they ate to survive. Likewise they made vows to each other that if they died their friends should eat them. In fact in some cultures where cannibalism is practiced it is not uncommon for tribes to eat their own relations after they die and this is considered an honor to their dead. I assume, but only assume due to fact I don't know more details, that they might have done the same with their own dead.
A movie was made about that soccer team in 1973. The three survivors were interviewed by Hugh Downs on The Today.
No doubt had they not taken the shortcut on blind faith, none of this would have happened
They got started late - that helped.
taking a short cut never works 🙃
Read the book, Sallie Fox- The Story of a Pioneer Girl. Don't take shortcuts
If someone has the last name of Donner and invite’s you to a dinner party, you may want to decline the invite. That dude Hastings really messed up a trip that was going pretty good. If they hadn’t taken the Mormon route through Salt Lake City, they probably wouldn’t made it into central California. Instead they wound up on a trail to Northern California which can be hard going even in the summer. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. It was a metaphorical coin toss. By the time they knew they were hooped, it was too late to turnaround because they were surrounded by blizzards. Don’t do a mental coin toss, listen to your gut instinct. It’s almost correct every time..
The Donner Party Diner. Serving People since 1846!
@@jamesburns2232 Lmao!😂
@@jamesburns2232 It's not funny - well - it is funny - but in that area there are all kinds of things named Donner - park, lake, pass - no doubt in honor of the occasion.
Donner State Park has a Donner memorial picnic area
Weird, but true
Thank you for this! I’ve always been fascinated by this story
America began with Cannabalism during the first Winter at Jamestown, 1608/09. There had been a bad drought through the summer and fall. Many of the larger wild animals had migrated to find water. Hunting was fruitless. Supplies ran out and as individuals died, those who remained consumed them. Even the regional Native Americans had a very difficult Winter.
So, we have a long honorable tradition of eating each other.
I've been to the exact spot where these people where at on snowmobile and they were in a gnarly area. Very steep rocky and lots of trees.
The picture shown at 8:58 shows the depth of the snow at the time, with the trees cut at that level by the Donner party. In a survival situation consuming the bodies of the already dead should be a completely acceptable alternative to starvation.
Cannibalism is absolutely forbidden. It is an abomination.
@@satanofficial3902 If you mean murdering people to have meat to eat, yeah I agree 100%. If you are starving to death and there are dead frozen bodies around you, then eating of them to survive is totally acceptable. It's a horrible situation, but acceptable such as in the Andes flight disaster of 1972.
@@satanofficial3902 uuuh Satan? Cannibalism isn't illegal, killing people is though
How would they have cut the trees that high and why would they
@@sirderp4925 The top of the trees where it’s cut is where they were standing on the the snow.
Such a sad story...
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
My favorite game is to go into a restaurant, give them the last name of donner, and wait for the reaction when they announce it overhead. “Donner party of....”. Yeah. I’m a child in the body of a 50 yr old.
The restaurant will have to charge you an arm and a leg.
I lived near Donner Lake at one time. I told my dad that it was really beautiful, but I had a compulsion to have people over for dinner.
- in more ways than one.
@@HMMELD Yeah, I did a play on words there
The Donners were stupid. A lot of people died on their desperate move west. I feel more for the people that were forcibly removed from their land
I agree. These horrible people did not belong on land already claimed
How times change. Back then people were eager to get to California. Today, more people are leaving California.
People have been leaving at such a rate that U-haul ran out of trucks. Weird, newsome says things are better than ever 😂😂
Let’s hear about the Oregon trail
Didn’t realize it till recently but i live right where the donner party found their salvation in the truckee river after crossing the 40 mile desert. Ive seen the signs marking it most of my life and only recently put together what the signs are for. I probably drive over their old tracks every time i go out shooting in the desert, I definitely drive over the old railroad bed and their tracks are essentially I-80 through fernley.
Good narration, thanks for not using AI voice .
If you're waiting for a table and the hostess says, "Donner, party of 2" and then seats someone ahead of you, don't complain. They were seriously hungry.
👩💻The Donner Party came through the Great Salt Lake Valley 1 year before (1846) the Mormon Pioneers came in July of 1847. The Donner party actually cut the road for the pioneers following a year later starting at Big Mountain then down East Canyon and down Emigration Canyon into Salt Lake City. Hastings road through the Great Salt Lake Desert, Salt Flats, going west to east on a horse (Wendover to Salt Lake City.) Much love and peace. 🙋♀️🪔🐞🥰🇺🇲
Wendover has some nice casinos.
I won't lay the blame entirely on Hastings as the Donner party was warned many times to turn back before it was too late. But Hastings never should have published his route before he had tried it out himself. I just think it is such a tragic story. It begs the question - How hungry and desperate do you have to be to get to the point of c*nnabalism?
I feel like Rose in Titanic, "Thank you for that wonderful forensic report!," but that wasn't the real story.
Snowstorm in late october...now a days we dont get snow til late january. Waiting to snowboard is ridiculous now
THEY WERE LESS THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY FROM MAKING IT. JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE TERRAIN.
Cannibals don't like clowns.
They taste funny.
Cannibals don't eat rich people
They're spoiled
The canabal found a sleeping missionary.
They love breakfast in bed.
New sub! Liked 🙏😀🙂😛❤️
I wish I was there, somewhere along one of the rivers, to witness all the hoquots migrate across uncharted lands. Oh how beautiful the trees, wildlife, mountains, and plains must have been. How excited, scared, and free they must of felt.
I’d love to see how terrified native Americans were to see a white person for the first time, and vice versa.
That's what happens when u depend on greedy MEN.
"Shortcut my ass"
-the donner party
Did Jim Bridger at Bridger fort discourage them from taking the Lower Sandy? Or that they didn't listen to him.
Didn’t he encourage them?
@@yankees29Don't think so
Donner means “give” in French which has always seemed poignant to me in context with The Donner Party.
With a completely different pronunciation!🙄
If they didn't leave in the middle of May and would have left at the beginning of April they would have missed the snow storm.
God bless yall
To think Abraham Lincoln was almost party of that wagon train. But his pregnant wife refused to go in her condition.
Also the contributions of Jame Read to the settling of the Bay Area specifically San Jose should be told. That one man made lots of marks on history.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 All Bad,,, A person that did not listen to fair warning. And kept ongoing anyways., He was also a murderer., And Coward man, And it took him 5 months to get back to his family.,😮😮😮😮😮 In Abraham Lincoln cared more about his family, then mr Reed ,does, God bless him Mr president...
It's a misnomer that the Donner Party ran out of food. They had plenty of Flour...But, they got tired of biscuits alone.
Doesn't mean misnomer refer to the name... You mean a misconception.
Proof or be quiet.
“We ber Canyon”. Not Webber.
😂 thanks! That was bugging me too.
There is no "untold truth" of the Donner party. Read "Ordeal by Hunger" by Charles Stewart.
1:50 2:26
Idk what it is, but the script for this is really strange. He says "according to history" a lot. Like bruh, just saying "history" isn't a valid source.
They didn't know about beef jerky.
Who are we having for dinner this evening?🙂
The children, of course!
Nevada is pronounced with a short “a” like the word “at”…. Not “ah” as in odd.
Why do they cut away to show the narrator? We don’t know or care about who he is
If all else fails, your co-workers are edible.
This is where the food donner kebab comes from because there is a secret piece of human meat in each one.
Survival of the fittest.
My only question is, they camped around a lake, WHY DIDN’T THEY FISH?!
Lake would be frozen solid.
Imagine people doing it now lol
Does not know how many times my parents and I went over Donner's Pass when I was a child
I lost count after a dozen times. It's like our parents, & grandma always said, "if you can survive this vacation, you can survive anything." But, weren't those wild onions and berries good...and learning ta fish with your hands. And getting my canvas shoes stuck to rocks in the fire pit. Thank God for Duct Tape🤣🤣🤣Those were some real good times. So greatful our parents thought it'd be a good vacation overall. Thanks for reminding me❤️❤️❤️God Bless🥰
I thought this was supposed to be untold truths
The story has been told - multiple times.
The first written story of canabilism occuring in the Donner party thru starvation
There is documentation and proof of bones recovered from the Jamestown settlement that shows they also resorted to cannibalism. One such skull was of a 14-year-old girl.
thats why u learn to hunt or trap, fish, or simply prepare lol crazy story
They would all be knowledgeable about hunting trapping and fishing, but due to the snow being so deep, there was nothing available to hunt. Animals would be moving out of the deepest snow for areas that are much more inhabitable. Fishing would be impossible because the lake would be frozen too deep and ice too thick.
I'm not judging them now so i doubt id be judging them back then...me and a friend of mines were talking about this about a month ago and I said no way i could eat someone and he told me "u can't say that unless u been in that situation" i remain steadfast that if it happened to me today I'd never resort to cannibalism especially if I had to kill someone first but back in 1846 i don't know I'd say it's like 50/50...I've survived extreme hunger in my 36 yrs but not way back then so odds are i just might be with those that did resort to it but even back then i don't think i could kill someone to eat them..regardless I've never judged them since i first heard this story decades ago
I used to have neighbors whose last name was Donner. They invited me to a party at their house once. I declined.
Cannibalism was always in them.😎
Exactly,the dogs…
I heard of the Donner party while on an Amtrak trip to California. The man on the intercom told us the story. I was amazed. As one who KNOWS that man does not live by bread alone, it seems to me that they were not at ALL praying people. The LORD provides for His own, and surely they wouldn't have had to resort to cannibalism. THE BLOOD OF JESUS SHALL PREVAIL! 🙏🏼
You don't know cold...
I can't understand him he's talking to fast.
It must be so hard being Mr. Perfect!
😘🥰
Who is Mr. perfect?
@@corinnepmorrison1854 Mr. Grunge. 😅
I don’t understand
@@KC_Eden Thank you...
@@Judykag Me either...
Nothing new same old story.
Just like chicken...
Natural selection
California was Spanish territory.
No, in 1846 it belonged to Mexico, which was an independent nation.
@@jeremyd1869 I stand corrected.
Why didn't they just take the train?
Lmao.
They would have to wait a few years.
All these guys had to do was fish in truckee lake.
I've been wondering why, at the onset of snow and the failed attempts to cross over the summit, they didn't just turn back and head for any area below the snow line, where there would be game they could kill to survive on until rescue came. Why did they not head for lower, warmer, territory? Instead of staying so long in such a terribly cold place through months and months of winter blizzards?
The lake was frozen over ice too deep unable to cut through to get the fish
Ah yes , that's some white privilege right there.
Ironic how people pronounce Nevada wrong LOL he must been educated in the east
So what’s the untold truth? Everything you talked about is nothing new.
Did the "facts" about the Donner party come out just after the Tom Hanx Hasty Puddin thread started colorizing photoshops ?
I'm related to Patrick Breen,they didn't eat any human meat and they all came out alive..
Horrible
Couldn't listen, narrator just galloping along, no p,easure in listening g to him.
First
BRAVO! Congrats! 🥳👍
Correct
3:28 the group didn't set out until mid May. You do poor research. Starting out in mid May was their death sentence
Circumstances caused by smug stupidity are not validations for cannibalism.
Cannibalism is cannibalism is cannibalism.
It isn't magically something different.
And there's the Manifest Destiny thingy going on of stealing the land and homes of others.
Cannibals = Cannanites + their god, Bal
Cain and abel.
Idiotic title
It's not "NevOda", it's " NevAda". Guy must be from the east coast...